/ranger/ thread

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Looks like good people to me.

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>>35118770

>>35118770
>DMR
>Entry tool
Why?

>>35119268
maybe everyone else is carrying a bunch of shit?

>>35119277

This. It's on his back so it's likely made to be accessible for a team mate

>>35119268
What entry tool? All I see is shooting sticks...

>>35119268

Lol this guy thinks whip antennas are entry tools

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hi guys

>>35119794
What batt?

>>35119827
first

>>35119842
What's RASP like, and any advice for someone trying to get into regiment?

>>35119794
What can you say to a depressed fatty with dreams of being a 68W and maybe if possible a ranger.

>>35119849
The first two weeks are gay but extremely overrated, just laugh everything off and don't quit and you'll do fine. The next six weeks(unless they've shortened which I heard might happen, idk tho) are actually pretty fun you shoot a lot and learn a lot of fun things. If you aren't able to max a pt test by now just make sure you do by the time you get to RASP.

>>35119887
Sounds good, thanks anon

>>35119852
We don't need people with depression, sorry but people who feel sorry for themselves are about the only people that can't be molded into Rangers. Also SOCM is one of the hardest schools in the military so if you want to go 68w in regiment you're going to have to be a pretty smart guy.

>>35119794
Learn how to take a picture, you child.

>>35119912
Not gonna bore with a whole success story thing but I've lost a good amount of weight in anticipation for enlisting. I wouldn't call it clinical depression just down about being overweight, ect. Not gonna act like a genius but I've wanted to enlist my whole life and plan to in about a year when I have my Associates.

Thanks stranger Ranger Anon.

>>35119794
Sick. What was the most difficult part of the selection process? anything you know now, you wish you'd known going in? sorry I don't know much about Rangers but its intriguing what you do. Semi unrelated but is there a need in military with cool guy jobs for anons who are proficient in hindi/urdu(I lived in other countries for several years would that stop me from enlisting after grad school?) and don't want to just translate all day.

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whats the point of rangers when we have the marine core doe?

>>35119971
MUH

>>35119954
Ok just letting you know people who get poopy and sorry for themselves in shitty and gay situations usually do not make it past rasp. If they don't quit usually they'll get peered. It's definitely possible to change your life outlook and the most I can say is just take everything in rasp as a challenge and if it gets super shitty just laugh it off. Don't worry about losing weight no one cares how far you are, the fastest guy in my platoon is a fat guy, just worry about push-ups sit-ups pull-ups and running and if you can max a pt test no one, big army or regiment, will give a shit what body type you have.

>>35119794
Deployed yet? You're still a private?

>>35119999
Thanks Anon.

>>35119964
In all honesty RASP was not that hard. Being a new private in a line company is a least 20 times harder than anything in RASP. But for me the hardest thing is rasp was I hate the could and started in December. When it got down in the tens in the mornings they would wake us up for pt and just make us stand around for hours in summer pts and all you could do was just stand there and shake.

>>35119912
>if you want to go 68w in regiment you're going to have to be a pretty smart guy.
Smart as in experienced, qualified, or high speed? What does it take to become a line combat medic for the regiment? Do your 68W come out fresh out of AIT or do they have to prove themselves somewhere else first?

>>35120005
yes and no

>>35120029
>Being a new private in a line company is a least 20 times harder than anything in RASP
Thanks for the info. Could you elaborate a little more on this?

>>35120029
How long can you stay in the regiment before they cycle you out somewhere else? I heard there is a lot of attrition with the new guys, but what about after your first year?

>>35119996
REENS

>>35120031
Smart as in pass an academics course with a close to 90% fail rate. The cadre at SOCM are pretty big assholes and don't give a shit about you so pretty much all of your off time is studying for exams and exercises.

First you go to basic training, ait then airborne school and after rasp selection you go work sick call for RSTB until you have a SOCM slot. Then if you pass SOCM you'll get sent to a battalion and if you fail you'll probably go work sick call at a ranger training brigade for ranger school.

>>35120049
Not that guy but someone said there is a 50% wash out rate in the first year or so. Just because you made it through RASP doesn't mean they won't kick you out if you're a jerk, if you fuck up or fail to get your tab.

>>35120049
Getting fucked with by your team leader and everyone with a ranger tab for months on end until your not the new guy anymore. Getting shitty details, getting smoked for hours, having to fight other privates to prove you got fur on your nuts. It fucking blows.
>>35120067
If you're a great guy you'll stay in rhiment your entire career like I have. If you come to regiment and show you can't hang out fail ranger school you'll get sent somewhere else.

>>35120096
Damn. That's a pretty high number. Respect to those who make it.
>>35120113
Good shit. Sounds like a military version of frats and pledge week or something.

>>35120096
I've been in for a little over four years and only three guys I came here from RASP are still here.

>>35120085
Do battalion 68W get any respect or are they just another POG? Do they train with Rangers and get to do high speed stuff too?

>>35120138
>>35120113
How many guys go to other units and shit, like the GBs and such?

If the Regiment is pretty small (only like 4 battalions or whatever active 3.5k troop strength ends up as) does it have a high turnover rate if units like the Special Forces and Delta have a reputation of poaching rangers?

Also how do you feel about Special Forces since they are bretty big and actually have more guys than you lot?

>>35120175
Everyone who passes rasp is a ranger and will do ranger things and will most likely go out on a mission when deployed, even supply specialists and chaplains. But yes ranger medics will go out on every mission and are a vital part of a ranger platoon, you'll be treated exactly like a ranger infantrymen and most guys will respect you, there's only one medic per line platoon. POG isn't really a term used in regiment unless joking around, no one gets special treatment because of their MOS and everyone has to meet the same standards.

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>>35120220
How many Ranger IV did you get? Also, is it true promotions are slow in the Regiment?

>>35120215
If you're getting rfsd you'll be sent to an airborne infantry unit, you won't get sent to selection. Usually for regiment to let you leave for SFAS you have to have your tab and SF usually won't give you the time of day unless you've been a team leader. I've known a few good dudes who didn't get selected because if you go there from regiment they'll expect more from you than everyone else. If you come to delta selection without a few years of squad leader time they'll tell you to fuck off. No one I've come to batt from rasp have gone to either. We train with group and delta guys all the time, they're all great guys(atleast the ones I've come across) and we have all different ways of doing things

>>35120247
How many anal IVs? Fucking none lol.
No promotions are extremely fast compared to the rest of the army. Most become an E-5 roughly a year or so after they have their tab, then two years as a team leader you'll get looked at to become a squad leader. I've known first sergeants that have been in less for ten years.

>>35120262
Huh thanks for that.

I just find it weird that the Rangers have to get screened even harder and be team leaders and experience under their belt to join other elite units, when the GBs are bigger than you guys and Delta is like a 1000 plus dudes or whatever.

How long do most rangers on average stay in the regiment, before retiring or going to other units like other Army SOF, IC, or going officer and such? Because do the 4 thousand so ranger number only count the active strength and not the tens of thousands of dudes who have Regiment backgrounds as well and have been in the pipeline too?

Dunno if you know all this logistical stuff or can even talk about hard numbers because opsec. I just wanna know if we actually do have way more tier 2 and 1 operators than the public figures suggest (which my /k/ side autism would view as a good thing).

>>35120079
>REENZ

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>>35120220
>even supply specialists and chaplains
Didn't you have a chaplain that set the ruck march record for a while?

>>35120113
I'm thinking of either going for Ranger or heli pilot and building my way up to 160th SOAR, would you recommend going for ranger? Any pros and cons on regiment ?

>>35120334
>Delta is like a 1000 plus dudes or whatever

Where did you hear this?

>>35120392
Neverminf, he wasn't
> Father Luke Willenberg, Second Battalion Chaplain of the 3rd Brigade, 82nd Airborne Division's 505th Parachute Infantry Regiment, now holds the record for the fastest 12-mile foot march by any soldier ever to graduate from the U.S. Army's elite DeClopper Air Assault School in Fort Bragg, N.C. Father Willenberg broke the previous record last month by a full seven minutes, with a time of 1 hour, 42 minutes.

>>35120428
Some estimates from commenters trying to analyze reported numbers from like SOCOM's publically released financial reports detailing personnel numbers and such.

Its an estimate, could be out of date with all these subunits and general attrition or growth respectively.

>>35120487
Very few people graduate OTC. The highest amount of students that passed a class was less than 20. They conduct OTC a few times a year. I highly doubt that even 1000 soldiers have passed the course.

>>35120560
>Very few people graduate OTC. The highest amount of students that passed a class was less than 20. They conduct OTC a few times a year. I highly doubt that even 1000 soldiers have passed the course.

I don't think a lot of them die either and probably stick around a while.

If they run like 3 or 4 groups, then they could build up around 1000 after like 10 years which means the most veteran guys can still be in.

>>35120096
What happens if your get injured during training, sprain your ankle, get a broken leg or arm, do they cycle you out or do you get to come back after recovering?

>>35120622
Let's be generous and say that 30 soldiers graduate OTC a year since 1997 and all of them remained in the unit. That would give us 600 soldiers. Most soldiers are in their 30s when they join Delta, so they don't have many years in the unit because they retire after a few years. Delta having 1000 soldiers doesn't make sense.

>>35120113
>fight other privates to prove you got fur on your nuts.
How unprofessional

>>35120761
>>35120622
>>35120560
Wait how do you know the OTC selection rates and numbers?

From the Delta books and stuff?

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>>35120806
Eric Haney's book talk about it.

>>35120814
What page if you don't mind? Its been a while for me.

>>35120885
I don't own the book, I borrowed it from a friend. It should be one of the fist chapters.

>>35119794

Weapon pointed at nuts?

>>35120925
Yeah I have it saved, but looking at that OTC chapter about selection, it seems to say that the 23 so men who were in selection were part of the initial group. Remember that Eric Haney was one of the original members and they were building the force up. He even mentions in that chapter that his particular course was only six months, meaning there must have been more selections to bring their unit up to proper manpower (to complete their SAS organization of manning the squadrons, which I think is around 200 or so guys).

Given their massive growth in funding and prestigue I could see them growing to about a thousand no problem. They'd have a much larger pool especially now to recruit or even just transfer personel from other elite Army units, maybe even other SMUs like the ISA or really veteran GB CIF company NCOs

>>35120282
Do guys who went to college and get in as e4s get shit on just as much as anyome else?

Why was Delta Force sent to arrest Saddam but SEALs were sent to kill Osama

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>>35120430
>air assault school
>elite

>>35120992
they divided the force so that Delta got missions in Iraq, Syria, and North Africa, and Navy got missions in Afghanistan, Pakistan, and the Horn of Africa. When that decision was made, it effectively sidelined the SEALs since Afghanistan was quiet but it ended up working out in their favor

>>35120971
when Haney was in Delta, it was 2 squadrons with 2 troops each, and 4-5 teams of 4 guys. So about 80 operators plus supporters.

Now it's 4 line squadrons of 3 troops each, 3-4 teams of 4-6 guy. So closer to 300 operators, but also a shitload more support guys. Dev is like 1,800 total so Delta is probably closer to an even 2,000.

>>35120806
building on what that guy said, OTC runs twice a year and graduates about 1/2 to 2/3rds of selection graduates that begin the course. Selection has like 150-200 guys and about 5-10% of them are selected, so each OTC class will graduate between 4 and 13 new operators, twice a year.

Typical tenure in the Unit is 10 years, erring on the "plus" side rather than "minus" according to a recently retired Unit SGM I heard from. They have high retention and relatively low casualties, especially lately.

>>35120971
If I remember correctly, he said that his selection class had the highest amount of students that ever passed(around 12). He wrote the book in 2002. That means for at least 25 years no selection class had more than 12 graduates. We haven't even gotten to OTC yet, I'm sure a good number fail that course. If you think about how many people graduate per year and how many retire per year, the numbers just don't add up to 1000.

Please tell me how you account for 1000 soldiers.

>>35121057
Haney left the Unit in 1986 and retired from army in 1990, I doubt he was aware of specific numbers beyond either of those dates. Ballpark figures, for sure. Since he's been PNGed I doubt he has any idea and the biggest changes, if there's been anyway, would have likely been since then.

>>35121057
>Please tell me how you account for 1000 soldiers.
Support personnel like >>35121024 mentioned could push that number back to a thousand with a couple hundred actual operators.

Or this anon >>35121073
Could also be right and the information is dated. After all, thats literally 21 years ago.

>>35121092
It's very possible that things have drastically changed, but I'm just going on information we have. There are no modern book that give us updated stats.

>>35121235
>It's very possible that things have drastically changed, but I'm just going on information we have. There are no modern book that give us updated stats.

Now if they were DEVGRU though....

>>35121251
They actually do talk about it. I don't remember a lot of specifics, but around 50% pass. I forgot what book I read it from.

>>35121270
>They actually do talk about it. I don't remember a lot of specifics, but around 50% pass. I forgot what book I read it from.

You'd think Larry Snickers would brag about it or something.

"Imma dulta fawrce assawlter and I'm fat cause ofmuh service, but muh crossfit will fix dat"

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>>35121270
Now that I think about it, I might have gotten that that number from this book. I remember him saying that officers are scared to take the course because it's a career ender if they fail; it would expose them as bad officers.

>>35120560
The 1000 number probably includes support personnel who aren't door-kicking, face-shooting operators.

>>35121387
Those are the spookiest ones.
>Delta unit accountants are deadlier than the B-movie Ben Affleck Accountant.

>>35121073
It doesn't matter if he retired in 1990, he would have still been able to keep up with the Delta community. Retirees like Don Shipley and the guys at SOFREP get updated about their units from guys that are still in it. A high amount of students passing selection would be big news, he would have heard about it and included it in his book or at least not say that his selection class had the most graduates.

>>35122716
>PNGed

>>35122731
That's right, AFTER he wrote his book.

>>35120560
then why is every dude on /k/ a delta seal ranger operator

>>35122731
That doesn't really mean anything, only that some people were upset. That doesn't mean he still doesn't have connections. But that's irrelevant to what he wrote in his book.

>>35119887
sweet, I ship in a couple days for inf OSUT.

>>35119971
what's the point of the marine core when we have rangers doe?

>guards post office

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>>35123538

>>35122869
By doctrine Marines open a theater up, while Rangers do direct action raids/seizures/etc.

>>35119842
Youre a turd. I miss batt. Do pushups on that bus and elevate your fucking feet!

>>35119794
Ive cleaned that fucking bus many a time