So has the ATF finally melted that sideways icebreg up their

The state is always out to diminish the people. Never, ever trust them.

>>35117021
you need to ask Donald J. Trump about that.

Unless you failed your high school civics, you should know that the BATFE is a Justice Department Entity and falls under the executive branch of the government.

>>35117021
Expect to get fucked next time a Democrat is in office. For now, do as you will.
Personally, I'm taking advantage of the shorter wait times to get a few SBRs. Worst case, I blow a couple hundred bucks. If BAFTE decides to make all these blades, braces, birdsheads illegal, then I'll be able to enjoy my guns.

>>35117089
Unless of course that dem in charge asks why do you need a SBR?!?! Then checks the sign up sheet for soon to be dead dogs...

>>35117367
And you'll be better off? Thinking you aren't on a list of gun owners is hysterical.

Besides

>Take off upper
>Rip up stamp
>Collect $200
>Put on spare 16.1" upper

I don't even have a dog.

>>35117044
>BATFE is a Justice Department Entity
armed tax collector

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>>35117417

>install pistol brace
>install 7.5" upper
>shoulder fire it
>save $200

>caring about the government's opinion on what a consenting adult can place against his own shoulders

>>35117742
>Violate NFA
>Imprisoned for up to 5 year term and/or $10,000 fine
>Livelihood ruined by felony conviction
Keep fighting the good fight, buddy.

>>35118148
Plus the dead doggo.

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>>35117021
what is the op pic ?

I mean I just found out about it but , I can't wrap my head around the somersault bumflapperies that are going on legal wise.

In the same bent "black aces" make zero sense to me

Seems like a trap for killing puppers

>>35117417
>>Take off upper
>>Rip up stamp
>>Collect $200
thatsnothowitworks.jpg

>>35118148
>Violate NFA
none of that is specifically defined in the NFA

/k/ is the dumbest collection gun owners around. It's so clear none of you have any actual SBRs, let alone guns at all. You have no bearing on the future of America. You're all getting black bagged and dedoggoed, but not because of anything gun related.

>>35118360
Origin 12 shotgun with a brace. But it's now an AOW (I think) with the front grip anyway.

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>>35118360
Eh I have no idea who this guy is but he has 1 and it looks cool. But no idea on his info...or if his dog is already dead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHJA3iXelRs&t=483s

>>35119878
>/k/ is the dumbest collection gun owners around
> It's so clear none of you have any actual SBRs, let alone guns at all

>>35120172
Sup brah, I'm a dumb /k/ posting gun owner who doesn't own guns. What part of that didn't you get?

>>35117021
I always wanted a Boltgun.

>>35117742
>I don't care what the government thinks about my notastock
>but I don't have the balls to just use a stock

Okay, then.

Can ameribros pls explain to me why this gun would otherwise be illegal without whatever mental gymnastics it incorporates to avoid the ATF? Are shorty shotguns illegal?

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>>35120411
It's strange af

normally shotguns with barrels below 18" are either SBS or AOW NFA title 2 weapons that require a tax stamp and filing paperwork and various red tape

this skirts around this buy being built new as a over 26" PGO firearm

apparently over 26" with barrel under 18" is ok without a stock

https://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/short-barrel-no-hassle-black-aces/

So is that clear as mud ?

here have a lutly

>>35117033
Don't be a sperg, you can trust your government. But these are trying times, so many natural disasters so close to each other. Anyone here buy more than 1000+ rounds of ammunition?

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>>35120517
Weird, thanks.
So this would require a tax stamp in America?

>>35120580
Yep just a few hours ago. Wasn't really thinking about shtf at that moment as I even got 1000 of 9mm maxxtech shit that everyone hates. I like to be the exception when it comes to bad ammo choices... +ma shooties are hungy..

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>>35120621
yes in either configuration , even if with the pistol grip it is over 26" it had a stock at one point

the "black ace" MUST be constructed from a virgin receiver there fore never having been a shotgun before.

So it would seem that you could have a bit of a paradox with two near identical "firearms" however due to their origin one would have been a shotgun before and the other would not

Almost like Schrödinger's Doggo it would be both alive and dead until you read the serial number

Is that mental enough ?

>>35119923
>But it's now an AOW (I think) with the front grip anyway.
The ATF would like you to believe that, but several times a court has told them to fuck off.

>>35118583
actually it is.

>>35119878
my PS90 would like to have a word with you

>>35117021
best Ela primary, pic related

>>35117033
Without the state, you wouldn't have shit in the first place. A modern state is the reason the average person is prosperous and free enough to be shitposting on a Tibetan horticulture forum about gun laws.

>>35120285
well no shit just don't shoulder it in front of the ATF or whatever and you're cool, it's not about balls it's about saving 200 wing wangs.

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>>35122677
no. capitalism is why we have wealth. not government.

>>35120621
Both of that would require a tax stamp, yes. In fact, given that it starts as an SBS, you can't even tax stamp that into legality. The NFA is retarded. That being said, I bought pic related (THE most-used criminal weapon type in the US) online and picked it up a few days later. Gun regulations do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

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>>35124598
This.
The State's never given me anything except restrictions on personal freedoms.

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>>35120621
And for my next trick, the attachment.

>>35119878
>calls others dumb
>doesn't understand common idioms in his native language

>>35124616a stock?

>>35124614
>no school
>no fire fighters
>no law enforcement
>no roads
>no environmental protection
>no workers rights
>no civil courts
>no public health
>Russia could just stroll by any time if they wanted
OK, kid.

>>35124614
The state provides currency infrastructure and a framework for property ownership. It is very difficult to do capitalism things without transferrable property, so it's good for that at least

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>>35124673
American public schools are just communist brainwashing.
Fire fighters sit on their ass 364 days a year and get paid for it.
I'd be better as the law.
I hate roads.
Wouldn't need to protect the environment if the industrial revolution done by the government hadn't happened.
Free market would take care of that.
If they violate the NAP they die, simple.
Healthcare? You some sort of fucking commie?
Russia tried that with Afghanistan. You can't be an entire country whose civilians are a militia.

Fuck off kid.

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>>35124683
I agree Minarchy is more viable than AnarchoCapitalism for that reason, but AnarchoCapitalism is still the ultimate ideology when it comes to morality and human nature since everything is consensual. Plus would still be effective.

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>>35124687
Every part of this is wrong.

>>35124701

he's right about everything but being ancap

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>>35124683
So you think private property rights come from collectivism.

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>>35124701
Nice argument kike.
Reallly joggled my woggles.

>Paying taxes so your kids can learn Christopher Collumbus was an evil slaver and the devil himself
>Paying taxes so some assfucks get paid to sit on their ass all year round
>Not realizing NAP is the ultimate form of law and morality
>Paying taxes for useless structures that serve up roadkill and destroy forests
>Not tending to your own wounds, being a sissy infant who can't disinfect a simple gash or align broken bones
>Thinking that a country of insurgents and militia would somehow not be able to repel Russia when it's happened twice in the past 30 years

>>35124717
Politicians are the true edgelords.

>>35124687
I can speak from experience that the firefighter thing is especially wrong, sure there aren't as many fires but we are called out almost twice a week for just fires, we are also called out for car crashes, downed powerlines, and even to get pets out of trees

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>>35124735
>tfw will never be paid with rape (tax) money to laze about all day and night until I need to occasionally climb a tree and play with a fuzzy creature
It's not fair bros

>>35118148
none of what he describes violates the NFA

the ATF even said it was ok to shoulder your brace

>>35124687
>American public schools are just communist brainwashing.
Provably wrong. Hell, look at all the retarded Christian bullshit in the medwest.
>Fire fighters sit on their ass 364 days a year and get paid for it.
Just untrue.
>I'd be better as the law.
"Ancap now" // "I deserve total monopoly on the use of force" OK
>I hate roads.
Nobody else does.
>Wouldn't need to protect the environment if the industrial revolution done by the government hadn't happened.
Totally a free-market evolution. Nobody was willing to give up stake in the explosive growth of the economy for environmental or humanitarian reasons, hence regulation
>Free market would take care of that.
Maximum kek. Shouldn't you believe the Jews would fuck that up?
>If they violate the NAP they die, simple.
Mad Max, got it.
>Healthcare? You some sort of fucking commie?
Good luck eradicating smallpox from your cabin
>Russia tried that with Afghanistan. You can't be an entire country whose civilians are a militia.
The point is that the US military is an enormous benefit to anyone who lives here and uses petroleum products. Invasion deterrence is a fringe benefit.

>>35124763
>Provably wrong. Hell, look at all the retarded Christian bullshit in the medwest.

for every christian bible school there's like 100 government funded communist indoctrination camps disguised as high schools and colleges

>I don't like taxes because its wrong because I have erroneous objections to my money being used to upkeep public services and infrastructure
>congress shall have the power to levy and collect taxes.

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>>35124763
>Nobody else does.
I sort of do hate paved roads. They are incredibly maintenance intensive and often provide a worse surface after wearing than simple planed gravel roads would. Obviously this isn't feasible for high traffic areas, but those are better served by thick concrete and asphalt.

>>35124763
>retarded Christian bullshit in the medwest.
Fucking dumb coastie

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>>35124771
Jesus dude I'm impressed that bait this obvious is being so swallowed, bless up.

>>35124763
>Nobody was willing to give up stake in the explosive growth of the economy for environmental or humanitarian reasons, hence regulation
You actually think the government cares about the environment? That's cute. Regulation exists because incumbents in the economy want to reduce or eliminate competition so they can charge higher prices. They lobby the government and then the government crafts a bill worded nicely like "reduces the amount of car pollution by regulating the use of taxi services through certificates" and has a pleasant title like "SaTA (Save the Taxis Act). They're American jobs, after all!

Seriously the whole regulatory system is a sham.

>>35124687
J-just let me kill who I want and enforce my own laws! I'll b-be so much better than the government I swear! S-stop it! STOP LAUGHING AT ME!

>>35117021

I think this one is firmly in the back burner. The ATFE knows about these """pistols""" and surely is aware of how well they are selling. I am certain that there are almost constant PowerPoints being provided to superiors about this issue. When you start to see gun shops stop winking and nudging about that """pistol""" and start openly displaying them as fully constructed items for purchase and as """pistol""" """brace""" manufacturers keep pushing the envelope and making their """braces""" more and more like stocks things will be revisited.

I think it will be fine until a shooting occurs with a """pistol""". There will be constant 24 hour coverage of """experts""" saying how this is totally legal to have this ultra concealable """pistol""" and how you can just buy them. The SECOND a shooting occurs with a """pistol""" deconstruct yours to prevent dog elimination.

>>35124656
Kek

>>35124749
Community college fire science class gets you in. Seriously, that's all there is to it.

The fact that you're not living that life is indicative of one of two things:

1) you realize that you're assessment is bullshit, but you went ahead and posted it anyways because you're a stupid cunt

2) you really DO think that being a firefighter is the easiest thing on the planet, but you're too fat and lazy to take classes and get in shape to live that life.

Paradoxical as this may sound, the fact that you posted this asinine bullshit on 4chan actually makes me think that you might be somehow suffering from both possibilities at once

>>35117021
If people stop bombarding the ATF with questions on whether or not these braces are legal to shoulder, we should be fine.

>>35125043
>thinks it's easy
Wait until he starts and has to open up the door of an apartment where the neighbors started complaining of a smell.

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>>35125024
You need to ""see"" a psychologist.

That being said the ATF is a bit miffed about people circumventing the written laws, but there is only so much they can do with opinion letters.

Write your damn reps and tell them to get rid of the NFA.

I think the fact that the Associate Deputy Director/ Chief Operating Officer for the ATF penned a whitepaper calling for massive deregulation of the the industry and suppressors/sbr is pretty telling of the direction the ATF is trying to go.

They are currently adopting new technology to speed up form approvals. They realize that NFA is becoming increasingly popular and it is killing them with increased workload. They know its in their best interest to shorten wait times and deregulate some things.

>>35124673
>private schools exist
>most fire fighters are volunteer
>most local road work is done by private contractors
>EPA policies been enacted by companies of their own will and cost, and with organzations like greenpeace, would likely substitute to give the "we're green!" for advertising or marketing purposes
>THATS WHAT UNIONS ARE FOR
>meh.
>public health causes patients, doctors, hospitals to NOT SHOP AROUND making insurance companies FUCKING RICH which is a RACKET
>like they did in Astan?

Most of our society's problems are that if you get taxed $10, $3 go to thing being taxed and the rest goes to the bureaucratic over head. I'm not an ancap but people give govt's way to much credit.

>>35125081
>Write your damn reps and tell them to get rid of the NFA.
Democrats won't and Republicans are spineless. That's a complete waste of time.

>>35125104
Private schools are terrible at the low end of donation. It costs a LOT of money to provide education at a reasonable standard (jokes about current schools aside, it could certainly be worse).
Most firefighters are volunteers... Maybe where you are? Certainly not here. Either way, the department needs funding and private firefighting or other emergency services present many problems. Much easier to have everyone pay and use the economy of scale to get good deals on pruchasing.
Who pays the contractors? See above.
Self-regulation is a joke for people who believe companies have more heart than governments. Greenpeace is a joke in general.
I thought most ancaps hated unions for putting something ahead of entrepreneurship?
US healthcare is a bag of dicks, but we can at least agree that having them is better than not.
Russia caused a lot of trouble for Astan that Astan need not have endured if they had a strong national army.
Government overhead is more than people expect, but it was never going to be zero.

>>35125105
yeah and the more time you waste of your reps the more annoyed they become and maybe just maybe they'll do something to make their email inbox shrink a bit or their piles of mail...

>>35117417
you forgot

>bend over and let everyone assfuck you

>>35117485
>Implying the tax collector wasn't always implicitly backed up by the knight's in the castle bored, crossbow trigger happy, just waiting to go Dragon Team 6 on some peasants.

>>35124487
I think the ATF said that shouldering the gas cylinders or whatever non stock stocks was ok now. Anyone confirm?

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>>35117021

So is this thing just a 3000 dollar saiga

it's really cool and looks like a bolter but good lord

>>35122677
>Without the state, you wouldn't have shit in the first place
t. literal european peasant

>>35117044
>implying I took high school civics
>implying my town of 6000 would care enough about the BATFE to tell us the rabbit whole you have to climb down to classify it.

>>35119923
Nope. It's a "firearm".

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>>35117021
This with 12g HE would put the AA12 out to pasture.
Can imagine calling in an artillery strike and one of these chute drop to you with a case of HE and a note "DO IT YOURSELF".

>>35117033
Truth. The state is funded by the banks that the royal families own. Those royal families and bankers are the shadiest motherfuckers I have ever investigated in my life. Satanic, jewish, slavers, pedophiles, degenerates, ext....

Trusting the state is nothing short of suicide.

>>35120517
>PGO

Wrong

>>35125224
Boomer detected

>>35125595
What is the ATF boogie man gonna hop out a dumpster while you're shooting and send you to gitmo?

>>35120517
Whats a PGO?

>>35117742
>>35117417
The ATF has alluded to the premise recently that they want SBR's and SBS's and alot of AOW's stricken from the NFA, possibly with some caveats, but the main line of reasoning being the sheer fuckhuge amount of Forms they get in.
It's probably why we are seeing "firearms" shotguns, folding braces, etc
They want to focus on machine guns ,explosives and actual gun crime.
The NFA was upheld in the late 30's (a case on an illegal SBS), the main argument back than by the SCOTUS is SBS's weren't used by the military, the argument against other NFA items was refused to be heard by the court.

SBS's, suppressors, and SBR's are used by the military now, if anything the ATF recognizes that they are the low hanging fruit that could bring down the NFA entirely in a challenge

>>35125557
This is a poorly constructed sentence

>>35121348
Schrödinger had cats.

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>>35128563

in boxes. maybe.

>dead kitter storage

>35127967
If I recall correctly, the original 1934 NFA was supposed to ban handguns as well, so SBR's, SBS's, and AOW's were included so there would be no loopholes on unregulated concealable weapons.

>>35117021
Unless you are a dumb ass with zero OP SEC and go shooting your braced weapon at public ranges, it a moot point isn't it?

This admin is pro gun, expect the BATFE to be lenient....the liberals get power, expect less leniency....

SBR's & SBS's are the least of anyone's worries.....

Until you see the BATFE hire a lot more agents, it's a moot point also...there are very few agents and they concentrate on actual bad guys, not fudd's...

#repealtheNFA
#taxationistheft
#shallnotbeifringed
#whatisthesecondamendment

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>>35121348
what in the ever living fuck is that thing

i need it