US Army officially adopts the Carl-Gustaf M4 as the M3E1 MAAWS

>>35110121
that thing looks heavy as shit

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>>35110136
<7kg or ~15 lbs
Still a lot lighter and more versatile than a Javelin

Cool I guess. Changed the composition of the tube to titanium and added iPhone integration. Doesn't really seem newsworthy

>>35110121
cool

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If the M3A1 is 2.5 inches shorter than a standard Uncle Carl, does this reduce barrel length and, in turn, overall accuracy?

>>35110159

I don't think this is comparable to the javelin, closer to the SMAW which is 16 lbs

>>35110136
its not, and the rounds are lighter. Body is a steel insert barrel, fiberglass/ composite reinforced body.

>>35110121

Why do they need a second SMAW?

>>35110159
>comparing an ATGM with a recoilless rifle
????

>>35110159
javelin is still better though, the Carl G was adopted for shooting HE and other anti fortification rounds

>>35110304
The new M3E1s are actually lighter and smaller than the SMAW, and the CG has better effective range against stationary targets like fortifications than the SMAW.

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>>35110309
Javelin isn't necissarily 'better' than the Carl Gustav. They are different weapons with different roles. Javelin is better able to attack armored vehicles, including those on the move, but the CG is better at attacking infantry, especially those in fortifications. CG is also significantly cheaper than Javelin, which requires a $125k command unit and fires missiles that cost $80.

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>>35110401
That should be $80k, not $80.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G4h41MS27oY
Nice pressure

>>35110380
Also, it's a Marine weapon, and god forbid the Army and Marines use the same weapons.

About fucking time. The CG isn't a dedicated AT weapon like the Javelin. It's a cheap, accurate, general-purpose HE throwing machine for killing snipers, machine gun emplacements or general room-demolition stuff in small wars.

And that means a decent weight is mportant. The first iterations were horrifically heavy tubes, and the default M3 was still about 22 pounds.
When each shell is 5-6 pounds it adds up. A 15lb tube is way better.

Also, for people talking about RPGs - the benefit of a CG is better accuracy, much better. Part of it is a proper sight, part western manufacturing, part a spin-stabilized round instead of a nose-heavy fin-stabilized one.

The thermobaric shells are tits btw.

>>35110458
>The thermobaric shells are tits btw.

thermobarics have never not been the tits. Shit is fucking fire.

>>35110187
>15lb vs 22lb
That's the difference between a heavy piece of shit, and something a strong dude can use easily.

>muh iphone
Gustavs already have time fused range-based airbursting shells. LIke an XM25, if it wasn't shit. But that means gauging the range by eye or rangefinder, dialing the correct range on the shell, setting the correct elevation on the sight, potentially unloading and reloading to do all this if you were already loaded...a long, slow, easy-to-fuck-up hassle.

With a computerized sight and shell, the user lases, everything automatically programs itself, and he fires. Much faster, much better.

>>35110121
Uncle was dumb enough to actually aim at the target during AT training so he got saddled with one as well as his SLR when he was deployed to Cyprus.

>>35110415
So the back blast won't kill anyone?

>>35110879
It will if you stand in the way. danger zone is like 60m long.

There are supposedly confined-space rounds coming out, but I haven't seen them.

>>35110262
No, they'll just use the newer "S" rounds which are made for it.
Older Carls can fire them too, but without the fancy options activated.

>>35110903
>There are supposedly confined-space rounds coming out, but I haven't seen them.

You still can't stand behind them. They just mean that if you use one inside a building, the wall behind you won't be on fire.

>>35110516
>thermobarics
There is a reason they call them nice weather weapons.

>>35110272
Previously there was nothing between the AT4 and the Javelin in the US Army. If you wanted a reloadable launcher, you had the Javelin or the TOW. This fills that gap pretty nicely

>>35110307
>>35110272
The Army didn't have a reloadable launcher besides the Javelin and TOW prior to the adoption of the Carl G. Now they can have a reloadable launcher that doesn't weight like 50 lbs or more

>>35110309
Javelin is very good at killing tanks and shit, but it's completely overkill and expensive for shooting mudslimes with AKs

>>35112738
god those LARPers look like such shit.

>>35110413
About to say.

"I'll take 20 please."

>>35110121
The Army finally gets an (superior) RPG-7 equivalent.

Only took half a century.

>>35110413
How much does an antitank round for the CG run? All of Russia's neighbors should be stockpiling them.

>>35110121
exactly how the hell are we going to kill MBT's with this thing, or better yet even IFV's christ

>>35113003
that's not what it's for, baka.

>>35110159
AT-4 (w/ 1 round, of course) = 6.7kg, ~500m

LAW (ditto) = 2.5kg, 200m

SMAW = 7.54kg, 250-500m
SMAW ammo = 4.2-4.5kg/rd

M3A1 CG (unloaded) = 6.6kg, 500-1000m (varies by round and launch angle)
CG ammo ~ 3-4kg/rd

So, Curly Gus has equal or greater range to anything else, is lighter than SMAW, lighter than AT-4 with anything more than 2 rounds, and has far greater range and effects than LAW (apologies for the metric, wiki's imperial weights were clearly rounded).

The only reason to choose any of the others would be to ensure that each soldier had a round, and anybody from the entire squad could use it at any time. Honestly, it's probably more effective to train one or two guys to actually hit targets smaller than the broadside of a barn from longer ranges, especially in open or mountainous terrain.

For that matter... if Carl is going to be widely deployed, what does that say about the "crisis" that "requires" every soldier to start carrying 7.62x51 or long 6.5 to oppose "overmatch" by PKMs?

>>35112969
They're not really optimized for anti-tank work; that said, they should be good enough for IFVs, or side/rear hits on tanks that find gaps in the reactive armor.

Where Carl shines is against infantry positions and light fortifications, including urban terrain, where it has a greater range and warhead (and flat trajectory) compared to 40mm.

Cant we just improve the LAW? Lightweight, cheap, seems like an upgraded warhead is all it would need

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Carl's a good guy, put on a good show in the Falklands.

>Destroyed a LCVP
>Holed a Corvette (pictured) below the waterline forcing it out of commission.

>>35113289
LAW is a single shot weapon, fills a completely different role.

>>35113003
if you need to kill armor you need to call in air support, armor of your own, or be lugging about a fucking javelin

>>35110272
It's not. It's not comperable to the AT4 neither.

What it brings is a lot of flexibility, since you can use different types of ammunition. You can dispense smoke, airburst, tandem warheads against entrenched enemies in urban environments, etc.

Both the AT4 and the Javelin are ATGMs, the CG is not.

>>35112755
its pretty painful to look at desu

>>35113204
>what does that say about the "crisis" that "requires" every soldier to start carrying 7.62x51 or long 6.5 to oppose "overmatch" by PKMs?

Flavor of the month

>>35114708
>AT4
>ATGM
smdh tbqh famlam

>>35112969
You're fucking delusional

don't these things hemorrhage the operator to death with repeated exposure?

Underpowered compared to the Chinese version.

>>35114798
>Underpowered compared to the Chinese version
fucking kek

(.5kg of rice was added to your food allowance for this post)

>>35115125
>tfw you will never get +5kg of food allowance for a single post

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>>35114708
>AT4
>ATGM

>>35114797
yes the blast fucks your shit up, no you won't realistically hemorrhage to death.

max safe firing allowance is 6 rounds a day. people I know have fired 30 or more and I've heard stories of more than that - at those quantities, the user is punch drunk after and there is a risk of tearing the mitral valve/inflaming the pericardial sack (I dunno the details) of your heart, not to mention the likely brain damage.

but since each round is big and normally weights 5-6 lb and the weapon is used by a 2 man team, typically no team will have more than 6-8 shots anyway.

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>>35112409
Wrong.
We carried these more often than AT4's in a-stan ~2008
Unfortunately I cannot vouch for effectiveness in combat.

>>35113731
Do they even still make LAWs? Or are we just burning through Vietnam stockpiles?

>>35115233
I've fired the goose like 30 times in a couple hours and my balls ached for days

>>35112755
Fat piece of shit on the right

>>35112969
CG can't penetrate t72, what's the point

>>35110413
Isn't that M2? Also this position is really unstable because of the spring in the middle. Easily falls down on the left side with optics and shit.

And at the same time I'm still lugging around a 12 kg Carl Gustav from 84'..

>>35115504
>SMAW-D
>Reloadable
The D literally stands for disposable

>>35116227
Dont worry, I'm in the same boat. Jesus that shit is heavy

ITT: anons are unaware the US military has been using Carls for a while now

>>35110121
That's a sexy looking weapon right there.

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>>35110176
>>35110130
>the cheekpad is literally a thin layer of styrofoam held in position with two cable tise

Absolute madmen.

>>35112969
Can a recoilless rifle even use HEAT?

>>35117280
Yes, most of them do so.

>>35110136
It's lighter than the M3 it replaced.

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>>35117280
The US uses HEDP (a type of HEAT) and airburst HE.

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>>35117280

>>35115582
>Do they even still make LAWs? Or are we just burning through Vietnam stockpiles?

Modernized versions of M72 LAW are currently being manufactured by NAMMO. The actual production facility appears to be in Norway.

>>35117280
There are RAP and tandem-HEAT warheads for the CG.

>>35116447
Some Army units got them in Afghanistan and of course SOF has been using them

This is part of a broader push to standardize them in all infantry units

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>>35115582
New production M72A7s have been used in Afghanistan

>>35118215
Do they bother with HEAT or are they straight up frag/thermobaric?

>>35118215
that's pretty nifty

i figured they'd phased out the middle ground between 40mm and an at-4 by now but we find uses for explosions of all kinds i guess

It's 8.5 pounds sexier?

>>35113289
The LAW is a piece of shit, and has always been a piece of shit.

>>35110458
>the benefit of a CG is better accuracy, much better.
not really
maybe comparing to rpg2 or panzerfaust

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>SOF uses Carl-G for over 25 years
>big army finally pulls their head out of their ass and decides to issue it to standard line units

Bout' fucking time.

I seriously hate our senior leaders.

>>35118615
>takes 25 years for the change to happen
>realize that 25 years is roughly the length of time it would take SF grunts to become leadership..
> The actually hade to wait for all the old fucks to die to get their idea approved..

Damn that's fucked no one listens to the younger generation.

>>35117280
Of course. Why would you think there's any reason they couldn't?

carl gustaf shooter here, ama

>>35118661
How is it on your ears?

>>35118655
Because firing spin-stabilized HEAT rounds is sub-optimal. Or that's what I assume he's getting at.

>>35118664
you dont mind it with earplugs, its more the high preasure it causes

sometimes you can get a fuzzy feeling or feeling lightheaded after shooting it

>>35118661
How envious you are of other guys who dont have to carry two weapons?

>>35118699
That sounds like some sort of brain damage.
Having concussed my self a few times that's a sign of a concussion.

When you get out get an mri done and a pet scan.

>>35118733
I think this is more like inner ear damage and that shit is needed for your coordination. I think it's not technically a brain yet but still important.

>>35118733
It's called blast over-pressure, and can fuck you up, which is why good AT leaders monitor and control the amount of BoP points their teams suck up in training and combat.

RPG-29 shooter here AMA
superior launcher

>>35118717
its really fucking annoying to carry around, its weight is very off balance, and it really takes off your mobility when your in combat

>>35118733
its just high preasure, there is a safety measures saying youre only allowed to shoot it 20 times a day during practice. But yea some studies show you can get damage from using it

>>35118766
I know at teams will hate me for suggesting this but what about wearing fully enclosed helmets during training.
I know they will be
>hot and poorly ventilated due to blast valves
>fog up
But on the bright side they keep you from getting perma fucked.

>>35118777
Since there are at least two CG guys here I suggest you apologize before we beat your ass.

>>35118787
>oure only allowed to shoot it 20 times a day during practice
What? We had only like 6 per day at most but maybe that's just the commandment and government being cheap fucks and jewing ammo.

>>35118788
Train as you fight.

Blast over-pressure is an issue for your entire body, not just your head.

>>35118815
Depends on the round.

Back in the day, I think it was like 1 illum round maxed out your BoP points, while you could fire mulitple HE/HEDP rounds.

>>35118831
Illums are dangerous, though. Bad for eyes especially and you can cook yourself if you are stupid.

>>35118831
True but think of it as adding additional stress during training.
Having to wear a heavy helmet that might fog up is just additional stress.
Also I'm just trying to protect the head I'm sure the lungs and gut have much higher tolerance to blast then the brain does...

God I'm sounding like a fucking bureaucrat

>>35118815
yea ammo is expensive you can easily shoot for 15-20k $ a day at the shooting range

its also theoretically safety, i think ive fired like 5-6 at most a day. But most you just carry it around with blanks because the army is poor

>>35118791
implying i can't beat the shit out of you with my 12 kg launcher

also i think smoke rounds are the one that you feel the most

im not sure about the gunpowder in different rounds but based off personal experience the smoke grenade really kicks hard

>>35113003
Should work fine against IFVs for tanks shoot at sides or rear.

>>35118888
the m3 is easily 12kg with equipment

>>35118845

and in case anyone asks, one of the reasons illum is riskier than most other rounds is that it requires a higher firing angle (the tube will be pointing upwards to a greater degree) meaning that more of the back-blast will be directed towards the ground behind you rather than just into the open directly behind you, which subjects the shooter to more shock and risk of debris being tossed around

>>35118935
this is not true

>>35118615
I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are aware regular units have been using CG in Afghanistan for at least a decade.

>>35118994
What'd they do, issue them as part of inter-theater kit or some shit?

>>35118948

I might have misinformed or otherwise be mistaken, pray tell, what is the correct description of reasons for illum rounds having different practice/peace time regulations?

>>35119087
82nd has had CG's for some time. Rangers have had them for decades.

>>35117280
>>35117399
Good ole wikipedia says there is a tandem warhead HEAT round available too.

>>35115504
That's not an interim between single shot disposables and full blown ATGMs. It's just an AT4 equivalent, specialized in anti-fortification instead of anti-armor.

>>35118661
Do you ever do the thing where you put the launcher between your legs and shoot it like it's your massive rocket cock?

>>35119133
HEAT 751 in that picture.

>>35115595
lewd

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>>35110458
This . I don't know why America has had such a difficult time adopting a weapon that could be distributed to squads or weapons companies on parity with the RPG seven but the Soviets did. I know they had a lot of that was no real comparison. I heard it was because Americans committed more to grenade launchers at the fire team level.

>>35110121
Damn it Lana, the tinnitus.

>>35118636
This is a legitimate phenomenon with army leadership, not just localised to the USA, but world-wide.

Watch as those who have comparatively more time "on the tools" in combat start to rank-up and get into positions where they can implement rapid change and influence doctrine. It's a beautiful thing to watch, especially when you're on the on a lower rung on the receiving of these changes. It's incredibly good for overall morale.

>>35119850
The CG is usually a platoon asset, based in the weapons squad. Instead of 2-3 GPMGs and 1 Javelin, it's 2 GPMGs, 2 CGs.

>>35113204
>For that matter... if Carl is going to be widely deployed, what does that say about the "crisis" that "requires" every soldier to start carrying 7.62x51 or long 6.5 to oppose "overmatch" by PKMs?
That's it's bullshit pushed by tacticool retards who just want SCARs because they have an irrational hatred of the M4/M16.

>>35115125
Half a kilo of rice? That's a lot of food.

>>35119931
The army is moving to having intragal Javelins along with keeping machine gun teams at the PLT level. So a PLT will consist of 3 normal squads, and a weapons sqd with a AT attachement
>This is what I am being trained on rn

>>35118661
why cant you just use something like a gyrojet round for training to practice aiming, but reduce BoP issues?

>>35120125
I agree, the idea that a rifleman is "overmatched" by the round in a GPMG is a selective comparison being pushed by people trying to make some cash by swapping to a new infantry caliber. It totally ignores existing friendly GPMGs and DMRs, and it ignores the whole reason infantrymen carry small rounds in the first place. New fancy intermediate calibers probably ARE better, but the practical advantage is so marginal when applied to a line rifle that it's kind of meh.

>>35118215
jesus christ 20+ laws
who or what the fuck were they engaging?

test
https://youtu.be/yhHwgDAM8uU?t=197

>>35120799
He might have been in theatre. Stateside, the training mix is usually 1 or 2 real rounds and a couple dozen ballistically matched 7.62 rounds from a sub-calibre training insert..

>>35120163
that's what we have now; but javelins obvs aren't carried in Afg if it can be helped.

now at NTC or vs Russia or a tank-owning polity ofc we've carry some.

>>35118512
The compact weight and size of LAWs make it easier to put them on each member of the squad. They don't have the punch of an AT-4 but when you can volley them, they tend to get the job done while you wait for support once you start TIC'ing.

>>35118669
Carl Gustav isn't fin stabilized. Rpg's are though, and they have heat rounds. What are you getting at

>>35120913
An enemy without mortar support. Otherwise that rooftop would be craters instead of littered with laws

>>35118549
Says who?

>>35121809
TICing?

>>35121995
>TIC = "Troops In Contact"
Operations Centers tend to fixate on that sort of stuff.
Get the word out and a short time later you'll have arty/helo/fixed wing support.

>>35120163
the fuck is intragal

>>35122157
within the something or other
he means that one poor sod will have a javelin among however many people

>>35122184
Nah, he meant integral but has fired his cg a few too many times, obviously

>>35111038
>the wall behind you won't be on fire.
And more importantly you won't have gassed yourself to death.

>>35113367
Apparently Israel used them in a commando raid in the red sea in 67. Turns out Osa missile tubes don't react well to being LAW'd.

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>>35110121
It looks so familiar...

>>35118915
rpg29 without

>>35116078
Depending on the model, it can.
The HEAT 751 has over 500mm of penetration beyond ERA.
might not be enough for a T-90 but older shit used by warlords and various -stan countries would flip their turrets.

>>35118777
No air burst.
Is shit.

>>35122240
I ran out of crayons earlier so I wasn't myself.

>>35120913
Norwegian FSK fighting against Taliban in 2012.

Taliban launched a series coordinated attacks in Kabul against the parliament, foreign embassies and hotels. The fighting lasted 18 hours.

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>>35117399
Best round.

>>35124013
Oh shit. That must be extremely painful

>>35119133
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6j9wEF1sf8

yep

>>35119097
Used correctly, CG illum rounds will pretty much blind the enemy while illuminating them for your own troops. NVGs are good and all that, but you really can't beat actual light.

>>35111328
Fair weather

>>35120913
taliban sieged a building. To prevent snipers, they blew down the entire front of the building

>>35124013
>>35124080
Imagine one of these in Somalia. Entire streets filled from side to side with pissed off niggers, now a mass of bloody pulp