What kind of firearm does a downed pilot carry? Handgun?

They take the gun off the plane. That's why they were gonna kill the a10, the downed a10 pilots couldn't carry a gun that huge.

Either a handgun like an M11 or at most a PDW.

Downed Helo pilots, as well as Tank drivers (another kind of pilot) both generally have whatever service rifle their military fields. Not too sure about Jet pilots, but the larger aircraft like C130 also have rifles handy

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Stechkin, 4 mags to it and an AKSU in a cockpit.

>>35108830
F-35 pilots get Desert Eagles

Flashy, expensive and useless.

>>35108830
Typically the standard service pistol, but helicopter pilots tend to also carry a carbine along with them as well.

What weapon would you use.
>mp7

>>35108830
https://youtu.be/vYohLg1Uzds
Grenade launcher at 0:51

>>35108894
I was a tank commander. The tank had an m16, I was issued a berretta.

>>35108830
Usually a m9

>>35108830
Most pilots I talked to said they would rather not carry a pistol so they left it behind. I never asked why. Maybe they didn't care for the weight or thought it wouldn't matter and if they got shot down they would most likely be dead but I have no idea.

if the helo has a mounted M240 or something typically they carry the conversion kit to turn it into a man-portable weapon

>>35109092

I wonder what the most recent example of a downed pilot firing his service pistol in combat would be, Korea?

>>35109012
They're allowed to carry those?

>>35109131
That long ago?

>>35109131
Mogadishu in 1993 for sure

>>35108830
his meat gun

he makes all the ladies pregos and rases an army behind enemy lines

I dont think the USAF issues handguns to jet pilots, the idea being you wont win a firefight with it and it could be replaced with a blanket or food or something.

>>35108830
MP5

>>35109614
A downed helo pilot in Vietnam killed 3 VC with a 1911 and then escaped to friendly territory. Just gotta SACK THE FUCK UP

Most fighter pilots carry handguns on their person when they fly on deployment. Helo pilots generally have a rifle on board and carry a sidearm.

>>35109614
F-16 pilots holster an M9 on their harness

>>35108926
Don't even fucking start

>>35109659
What about Navy pilots? Especially helicopter ones, they will basically NEVER be over land.

Airfag here. USAF pilots don't carry sidearms of any kind anymore as there's no place on the pilot's body to store it along with his G-suit, harness, ejection seat, and all that happy crap.

The new policy is more intense SERE training to teach the pilots to evade enemy troops quickly and silently and escape back to friendly forces without leaving any trace.

>>35110093
On deployment in 2011, on board the USS Bush, my squadron aircrew carried M-11s.

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If they are Navy or USMC fighter pilots, they carry M9s.

If they are Army, Navy, or USMC rotary pilots, they carry an MP5

If they are Air Force anything, they carry a pink dildo to fuck themselves before the enemy

>>35109381
In that case it was an MP5 rather than a pistol

Ecuadorian air force carries bersa thunders.

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Capt "Hot Pants" her actual call sign
M9 is carried due to the the way the safety operates

>>35109022
Okay arma

>>35108982
Wouldn't a p90 be more compact?

>>35108926
Beautiful comment.

>>35108830
m9

t. just watched Behind Enemy Lines with Owen Wilson

>>35113705
Wow

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What would the worst conflict to be a down pilot in? That if shit looked bad enough you would turn the pistol on yourself to avoid capture.

>>35110582
calling bullshit. M9 sits in survival vest. It is however not utilized stateside or for flights over friendly territory. Pilots will routinely bitch about it digging into their ribcage. MX troops have found an M9 Stashed inside the cockpit post flight on more than one occasion while deployed. Frequent modifications include: velcro tape and being stuck to the wall.

>>35108830
Handgun in the ejection seat.

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>>35112512
>If they are Army, Navy, or USMC rotary pilots, they carry an MP5

Eh, don't generalize.
Look at the dash on my pic.

But then again, Kiowa pilots are nuts and are known to shoot their AR15 out the door if they run out of payload.

Kiowa pilots are the hillbillies of rotary wings.

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Belgian pilots tend to carry the Five-seveN. Doesn't make much sense to me, but it's high capacity in a small package, so I guess there's that.

>>35114701
No more kiowas they been retired now

>>35114701
Rotary wing > fixed wing

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>>35114771
>No more kiowas they been retired now

Are they really all gone now? That's a shame (though Kiowas were obviously abused outside of their design envelope). They were never had the same cultural impact as Apaches or Little Birds, but they were damn capable.

What did they get replaced by?

>>35114800
>What did they get replaced by?
Well, first the US Army tried to replace them with the RAH-66, that program was canceled by the Cold War ending. Then, they tried to replace them with the ARH-70, which was canceled for cost overruns. Then they were booted out of service and any job they had was split between Apaches and Little Birds.

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>>35114814
>Then they were booted out of service and any job they had was split between Apaches and Little Birds.

Holy shit that's retarded.

Apaches have like an insanely higher maintenance burden than the Kiowa and way less actual flight hours in which they are available for use.

No clue about the Little Birds, but if the Kiowa was already overburdened as fuck for most missions, I can't imagine Little Birds can carry that load... (as much as I love the Little Birds)

>>35114564
Getting shot down over modern-day Syria for sure. You wouldn't want to get captured by any side down there, especially the desert ninjas.

my grandfather was a heli pilot in vietnam. he told me a story about how he tossed his m16 in favor of a captured sks so in the event of crashlanding in enemy territory, he still had access to ammo.

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>>35114967
>my grandfather was a heli pilot in vietnam. he told me a story about how he tossed his m16 in favor of a captured sks so in the event of crashlanding in enemy territory, he still had access to ammo.

For escape & evade it's not a bad thing to have a rifle which sounds like the enemy's.
However, 10 round clips in semi vs what an AR15 could muster? Questionable trade.

>>35108926
Doesn't matter anyway. F-35s cannot be shot down.

>>35114974
he didnt fly alone, so i think he always had two guys with m16s with him all the time, plus the mounted m60. I'm pretty sure they all had 1911s on them aswell.

>>35114974
chances are he had a 20 round mag, so its not that much of a loss.

>>35113705

I think it was based off the real faggot who got shot down in kosovo, even though he never even fired his gun.

>>35108866
checked and keked

>>35113306
Same thing in Finnish army desu, every Leopard 2 crewman has a sidearm and there is one ex east german MPi-K per tank. Someone grabs it, someone grabs an Mg3 and the rest are stuck with FN HP-DAs or Glocks.

Brit pilots for helicopters get the L85 carbine version (apache/chinook) but crew typically have service rifles or a Sig sidearm

Not sure about RAF pilots, I don't think they carry firearms

>>35114800
They are being replaced by some gross Eurocopter bullshit. Well, its not a 1:1 replacement, but the UH-72 is taking over a lot of their roles.

>>35113385
No.

MP7 is smaller in ALL dimensions with the magazine removed and stock recessed.

>inb4 not condition 1 REEEEE

I think a downed pilot will have all the time in the world to load it once he lands in the woods.

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Royal Malaysian Air Force pilots seems to prefer a fully automatic 5.56mm carbine like AR-18K or Colt Commando.

A NICE article about RMAF Helicopter gunship pilot load during 1980s Communist Insurgency.

http://xgunship.blogspot.my/2010/10/air-gunners-weapon-inventories.html

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2012/11/21/sterling-armalite-ar-18k/

>>35116462
>ww2 era MG151 looted from a museum

>>35112512
Navy has the M11 actually. FUcking scrubs need to get on our level.

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>>35116394
As I understand it the UH-72 taking over the recon role in NG units stateside, while active army units are using Apaches. I'm pretty sure the 72 isn't approved for combat or something like that.

>>35116439
They make 20 round flush fit mags for the MP7. Do they make AKU-74U style holsters for them?

>>35114701
What does this say about Croatia since we got 12 of them recently

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>>35116661
>Do they make AKU-74U style holsters for them?
yes

>>35114701
>tfw was on track to be a kiowa pilot
>had to settle for flying big blackcawks instead because Kiowas were being retired.

That sucked. At least I'm out now flying SAR. Much more exciting and satisfying than being a glorified bus driver.

Anyway, they never even let me have a weapon, but then I never even deployed either.

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>>35116821

Any chance of getting assigned to little birds?

Those seem like too much fun.

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Are naked moto pics a big thing in helo pilot circles? I heard a story about a Cobra crew leaving a pistol somewhere on a MEU I was on and then seeing this picture makes me wonder. This seems like a good place to ask.

>>35116754
Hell yeah, thanks dude.

>>35110093
If I recall, Navy aviators get a few different options, including the Beretta or the new Sig. They choose a gun and then have to qual with it

>>35116832
Nah, that's pretty much just special forces, and I sucked at running too much to ever make that cut.

>>35116821
Would you have preferred to fly an apache?

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>>35114985
>F-35s cannot be shot down

Because they still can't fly combat missions.

Pilots taking the condensed course at Weingarten were issued with pistols at their original units prior to coming to us, which they were expected to be at least proficient with. There was an approved list (M9, HiPower, something else I don't recall). Some NATO air forces didn't issue their pilots with sidearms, or at least not routinely, so they were all instructed to come with nothing other than some proof of proficiency.

M9 and Browning Hi-Power were the most common, so they were issued whichever one they liked for the course. Bizarrely, a Turkish officer showed up with a Glock he had purchased in Vienna. It got confiscated for the duration and he got upset.

>>35117139
They've flown combat missions though

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I know that our helicopters have L22A2 carbines stuffed in them
I think there's one to a man, but it might be just the one per helicopter
They're pretty small guns so I figure you could probably stuff one into anything that isn't a eurofighter or tornado

>>35116832
Only 160th SOAR fly those>>35109012

>>35117615
How does one join SOAR as a pilot? Do you have to put in a package or something?

>>35117772
Yes you have to submit a package also i think you have to pass selection the first time there's no recycling for pilots.

>>35109614
There's shit like bears and wolves too.

>>35108830
Sniper rifle would be the best choice

>>35108830

AH64 pilot

down range we all carry our issued M4 14" FA rifles and M9 pistols, typically it is stated in our SOP that we will carry both at all times when flying, no requirement for ammo, most keep a spare mag or two on our person and a few in a go bag in the heli with us.

>>35108830
Norwegian F16 (soon to be F35) pilots have a cut-down HK MP7A1 in their seat pack. It lacks irons, the front grip is cut off, the stock is cut down, the flash hider is removed, and it's loaded with a 20 round mag plus one or two spare mags in the pack.

>>35119811
Where do you stash the rifles and go bags in an Apache? Is there a special spot for them? Also do you fly in flak jackets or what?

>>35120142
we wear flight suits that look very similar to the normal army multicam. over that we wear aviation specific soft body armor with a ceramic plate in the front
the rifle has a stow point that is to the right of the guy in the back and points forward, the CPG has a stow point to his right but the rifle faces up.

>>35120380
Neat, thanks or the info. How camped is it inside the cockpit? Is there height restrictions for pilots? Theyre cool with lasik or PRK in army aviation?

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>>35108830
The sere kit issued to all pilots contains just a few but exceptionally effective means to survive a myriad of situations.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_taPXM0a9A
>Rest in Pieces BT-7274, you glorious gasket-fucking nut sack
I've never had so many feels over a heap of scrap metal and adamantium ball bearings.

>>35109092
Black Hawk Down.

>>35113705
Fuck that movie sucks.

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One thing few people consider is ejection from a fast-jet. When you're doing 10g in a half second a sidearm weighing 1.1kg is going to turn into 11kg very fast. There have been a few instances where this has broken ribs, this isn't widely known since they effects of ejection on the spine are a far greater concern.

Consequently, some nations which use a heavier pistol, such as a browning will issue a separate, lighter sidearm such as a glock 17 or 19 for fast jet pilots.

>>35120523
very cramped, my longest mission was 9.4 hours without getting out, just coming back every 3 hours or so for a fast turn at the fuel/ammo point, pissing in bags and having people bring us food when we paused for gas then right back on the go. misery. pure misery.
there are restrictions, but I dont know them, they are loosely based on the airframe, but its pretty wide, like at least 5-8 to 6-5 Id say as a guess. I know a few guys who have gotten it done since being in but I dont know if you can get into aviation having it already done, youd have to talk to a recruiter who will probably steer you wrong and try to fuck you because they are all shitty lazy assholes

>>35121060
Is there even an ejection systems for helicopters? It seems like if shit goes south in them you are boned.

>>35121156
those that have them use explosive bolts in the rotors so you dont get chopped

>>35108830
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7iQe8EUWJg

A Smart Pistol.

OI

>>35121156
>>35121174
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLhZN7fTwQQ
1:50
there is like 3 or something helicopter models in the world that have ejection seats.....

>>35113094

I'm surprised that's not an Israeli.

>>35121113

>youd have to talk to a recruiter who will probably steer you wrong and try to fuck you because they are all shitty lazy assholes

I talked to a USAF recruiter about becoming a fighter pilot and she told me that they don't care what your degree is in (meaning English or literally anything else is fine). From what I heard, only the Navy's like that and the Air Force prefers STEM.

>>35109614
>Family member Flies F16
>carries M9

So he'll have something to throw at the enemy other than his boots of course

>>35112512
False, Army pilots carry M9s and M4A1s.

>>35121758
Now they do but before they'd carry mp5's

>>35121690
They dont care about a degree type unless you are perfectly matched with a competitor. Then whoever has the better major wins the pilot slot.

>>35121113
Thanks again for the info. I'm prior enlisted going to college, so I know how recruiters are. I was thinking going to the nasty girls with big army as a fallback, I figure I'd get better info close to home.

>>35121782
Indeed

>>35113385
Yes, but only if it was an MP7.

>>35114800
http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/9784/us-army-says-it-badly-needs-a-scout-helicopter-after-junking-the-ones-it-had

>>35117879
I think there was a tripfag waaaaaay back on /k/ who was a SOAR pilot but I haven't seen him post in a while. You could try the archive maybe.

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>>35121305
read the thread reee

>>35109614

Or a 3 wood, 5 iron, and putter.

>>35120853
Can't believe they did it twice, TWICE in half an hour, fucking monsters

>>35121876

They really don't care? Huh.

>>35118318
What explain?

>>35122933
GPA is what you need to worry about

https://youtu.be/xu_leZE76VE

>>35114985
Or crash, for that matter

Seriously, when was the last time a combat aircraft made it all the way to IOC without suffering at least ONE crash?

>>35116821
is that you deltasteve?

and my father carried an m1carbine with collapsing stock when he flew huey gunships for the air calv from 75-89 in addition to the 38revolver they were issued.

>>35122933
Yes, but get a 3.5 or better and be able to 100% the PFD if you want to be competitive.

>>35121156
The Hokums do, otherwise i'm not sure

Ours carry a Glock 18.

>>35112594

Durant actually had his M9 holstered in his vest, but he "did not dare touch it" when the mob found him.

t. read his book

The airplane. Barring that, a dragon dildo.

/thread

>>35115180
>>35117244
RAF (and FAA...?) had the L47A1, a 7.65mm Walther PP. The larger L9A1 was available too, of course, but could be found to be too big in a cramped cockpit.

>>35109636
Helo pilots are army non coms

Whatever gun they had on a plane obviously

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>>35127493
Warrant Officers, not NCOs.

>>35127493
no

P90 for heli pilots when?

>>35123483
Topkek

>>35122933
>was officer
>wife still officer
>I have psych degree
>she has micro biology degree
No... they really don't give a fuck. APFT score, and gpa

Would it be a good idea for pilots to carry suppressors for their firearms?

>>35128260
>Special Snowflake gun that only feeds a special snowflake round

>>35128574
What gun would you suggest pilots to carry?

British Apaches carry 2 L22's for the pilot and gunner.

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>>35127536
Why yes.

>>35108866
Nice digits

>>35108830
Just strap a m4 to the chair and have a pistol on you. Haha.
I have no idea op

>>35121156
>what is autorotation?

>>35110093
My dad flew navy and told me he carried the p229 for flights. Beretta 92 on the ground.

>>35121156
This>>35130599
As long as your rotors are operational you can emergency land with greater survivability then non seat ejecting planes

Apache pilots also carry an adapter so they can use hellfires as a shoulder fired missile.

>>35108866
>That's why they were gonna kill the a10, the downed a10 pilots couldn't carry a gun that huge.

Well, they used to be able to, but now women can fly them...

USAF fighters: M9 in your survival vest, and essentially a Mk 18 broken down in your seat kit.

>>35108926
Take your (You) and stop

>>35120905
I loved it growing up.

>>35122859
Yeah they're fucking sadistic.
All the action bits where badass though.

>>35121060
I guess the SA-80 or whatever in that pic answers some questions.
Hazza 4 king btw - Fukkin bitch bangin' legend.

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>>35108830
Generally a Deagle or Barret 50cal.

>>35109636
HOOAHH SEMPER FI MUHRRMEMES

>>35109022
Lemme guess, you have over 300 confirmed kills?

>>35125149
I read an article a while back about the Kamov, I can't remember where and having an ejection system apparently did a lot for the mindset of the pilots.

>>35116533
You do know the M11 is a machine pistol, right?

>>35134017
You do know the M11 is the military designation for the Sig P228, right?

>>35134017

Just go back to posting on /v/

>>35130792
Wasn't there a movie involving Tommy Lee Jones, that did this?

>>35135675
Firebirds. Starring Nick Cage.

They fake drama by having Cage's character have to retrain his eye dominance, which is accomplished by blindfolding him with a periscope attached to his right eye via panties and having his drive a jeep all over post.

>>35120889
They had . But the 160th is also a special unit.

>>35114701
Why are so many Kiowa pilots insane?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beq2T9kKLBw

>>35108894
C-130s don't have long guns unless the pax or aircraft security is carrying them(for the most part, the C-130 has so many missions it's impossible to keep track). Aircrew generally carry Berettas.

>>35110582
You're dumb and wrong. Lemme get your Shirt's number.

>>35108926
Just like the aircraft

>>35121060
Royal Aiir Force used Walthers for this reason. the mass and size if a Hi Power could be dangerous in a Tornado ejector seat!!

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>>35108895
Did that newsfag just muzzle that pilot

>>35108926
>F-35 pilots get Desert Eagles
I came in here to post that F15 pilots got Desert Eagles. You totally fucked that joke up.

>>35109131
>>35109320
>>35109381
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_O%27Grady
there is even a movie about it

>>35136657
That's kind of the joke anon

>>35114564
Anything involving Japs or Syrians.