Bear Mode

>>35101758
Skellingtons might have the endurance to jog a good distance but you are helped by strength when humping 80 lbs of gear around

These guys would still be at a disadvantage.

These guys would tire like fatties on long marches with heavy gear.

There is a fine balance between strength and endurance and linear gains on one side tend to mean exponential losses on the other

>>35101758
The big gym or crossfitfags were usually the worst in our unit at marches or runs. But I didn't care it's all pretty pointless in today's fugged up military.

>>35101854
>marching and mobility are pointless
That's sad now.

We're the French at Maginot when we should be the Germans in the Ardennes.

they'd be paralyzed by their own narcissism. all the enemy would have to do is put up mirrors and the fit fags would stop and pose until shot

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>>35101758
Very muscular people lack endurance. The Military is all about endurance. Running & Pullups.... Guys like that would drop quick

>>35101758
>Are there any disadvantages to being a Strong Man/Bodybuilder joining the military?
someone has to carry your heavy ass when you get shot. all the body builder types in my unit had thick as shit necks so they could pass tape. i can only think of 1 fitness dude in my entire unit that didn't have medical issues; debilitating joint pain, lower back pain, etc. he was the only person i know that stuck to a specific dietary plan too though. rarely drank to excess and always stayed hydrated. if you keep limber and stay healthy on a nutritional standpoint, you should be good. but when you get shot, someone still has to carry your heavy ass.

>>35101758
I was a pretty thin grunt. It gives a small percentage being bulked as long as you don't ignore endurance. True fitness freaks are just well rounded.

Like >>35101792 said it will help with heavy gear, but I could hump a pack as well as anyone, as long as anyone. The problem is I'm only 30 and my back is pretty fucked up. If you're more focused on getting buff you'll be the guy who can't keep up, and no one will give a shit how much you can bench. Then a thin/regular guy will be giving you extra PT with the fatties, as well as selecting you first for working parties lifting heavy shit.

Do bigger guys really handle the SAWs more often than not?

So all the Team guys get on gear after they finish SQT I'm guessing? btw how strict is PED testing in the military? asking for a friend

The guy in OP's pick tried MMA and got beat by Tim Sylvia, tapped out. He gassed out and started turning red because his lungs and heart could not feed the muscle. (That's what Joe Rogan said)

>>35102301
SAWs get handed to the smallest guys usually

>>35102378
when will they learn

>>35101758
Your knees and your back will be fucked up by 30.

>>35102503
After all that rucking in combat arms don't they get fucked anyway? How do some people manage to do 20+ years as infantry/SOF?

>>35102378
Just for the sake of irony/military humor right?

>>35102730
Yes, the military isn't good for your body but especially if you're a bigger guy. All the more so because they expect more from you than from skinny or normally built dudes. Always signing you up for martial arts courses, making you the mk19 instructor, putting you in the battalion tug of war, etc.

>>35102730
When you sign that paper you sell your knees to the devil.
And even whe the armies get ighter gear, they make grunts carry more shit. This is an endless cycle in all armires.

>>35102378
Why?

>>35102738
I'd assume since our radios (the big ones) got sent to the smallest dude

>>35102730
>How do some people manage to do 20+ years as infantry/SOF
Insanity
Just look at your average 1st Sgt.

>>35101758

Musclebound dudes suck as infantrymen because they can't keep the fuck up with the dudes that are lean and fast. When you've got to run 600m to the assault position, or to set up a support by fire, it's always the big dudes that are lagging behind. Likewise, when you're on hour 6 of building clearing and you need to sprint from cover to cover, they're the slow ones most likely to get shot.

They're great for carrying heavy shit for short distances at slow speeds, but they suck for everything else.

>>35102303
>So all the Team guys get on gear after they finish SQT

Some do. Smart ones don't, because that shit is a fucking crutch.

They don't test for that shit, as far as I know, only controlled substances.

>>35102378
>SAWs get handed to the smallest guys usually

Sure...in shitty units. Pogues and pussy units treat belt-fed weapons as if they're a punishment, because they're heavier, instead of as the most important and casualty producing weapon in a squad or platoon.

In good units, they get handed to the next senior dude in the team below the team leader, because by then, he'll have a better understanding of how to employ it to support his team.

>>35101867
Holy fuck you are stupid marching went out cause of mechanized warfare yknow the Germans coming through the ardennes thing you just mentioned

>>35101867
Had Maginot been fucking extended to the Channel it would have slowed the Wehrmacht advance and negated the need to end run it through the Ardennes.

Fixed fortifications manned by competent troops are harder to take than the same area of open ground. That's similar to why urban battles can be extremely difficult, like Stalingrad.

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Is calisthenics the /k/ommandos method of exercise then?

/k/alisthenics?

>>35103738
cardio and lifting.

>>35103764
CARDIO CARDIO CARDIO until your heart asplode
Core
Lifting

>>35101792
fpbp.

I was 160 lbs in Army tech school. I could run a 13min two mile and leave nearly everyone in the dust, but could really only hump my own pack and weapon. No way I could keep up with a formation carrying a m240b.

Bears are fucking badass, esp at combatives, but they usually have weak legs and struggle with runs. Just be well rounded OP.

>>35103835
how tall are you?

>>35101830
this, pretty much. they're not as efficient aerobically. sure they'd pummel someone hand-to-hand, but tht's not how the dance is done now. you want a wiry guy who has a strong back, core, and legs, and can jog all day. like >>35101792 said, yes -
granted the standard infantry ruck is 60ish lb, squad automatic is in the neighborhood of 90 lb, etc... this is ridiculous, in terms of efficiency. that should never, ever be happening, putting men in combat carrying 50+% of their body weight. this is simply poor logistics in motion. Infantrymen don't need to all be carrying 4 types of sighting equipment. 72 hour packs for enduring freedom legitimately had 15 fucking pounds of batteries for that reason. you could rant on this subject for quite some time if you wanted, but those contract winners have to get their toys out into the sandbox so no one would listen...

>>35103848
5'11"

>>35103764
>>35103797
/k/alisthenics.

>>35103680
This man speaks truths.

It happened to me. I was skinny though, but it was because I was capable. Carried a SAW my boot cycle and later as team leader my second was my SAW Gunner.

>>35103908
manlet

Ideally, you should have the physique and performance ranging from that of a triathlete to a cruiserweight boxer. Weight over 200lb, unless you are particularly tall, is superfluous.

I had every guy in my section running a sub 40 10k. I didn't care how much they could bench or squat. They could do that in their own time.

>>35101758
not really
They can be useful if they can carry a large heavy machinegun or automatic grenade launchers.
Manlets oddly enough make the best warriors

>>35101758

I'm going to put it like this: not really. I'm guessing your question pertains to combat arms. Unless you are coming in like rich pianoman, you won't have any problems. To put it in perspective, I'm 6'0 , 225 lbs, and I've never had any issues with stamina. Even at 32 y/o (yes oldfag) I have no problem running mid 13's on the 2 mile. The skinniest I've been since I started lifting 10 years ago was dropping from 205 to about 185 during ranger school, but again other than being a solid ass kicking I never had problems with endurance. It's extremely difficult to get "too big" to do the job, unless you're a fatass on an uncontrollable dirty bulk. You will also lose gains throughout the year as you do annual training, and if you're unlucky enough to get deployed where there's no gym. Climbing up moutains in afghanistan in full kit during the summer will make anyone shed some salty tears, but the only people that struggle are the ones that don't work out at all.

For those talking about carrying SAW's, 240's, radios, etc - that's a small part of your career, and it sucks no matter if your a lifter or not. Many, many guys in the Infantry are avid lifters and have no issues performing their job.

>>35102378
>be 5.6 asian manlet
>you get to carry the saw and 1000rnds of ammo
Every fucking time

>>35105529
Everyone else should be carrying spare link too.

>>35102312
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariusz_Pudzianowski

>>35101758
This is hard to answer. Back in my dads time when he did end up being with SF in Nam endurance was by far more important but back then everyone had a base level of strength due to work in whatever hard ass job like farming or working at a tire factory. It's that kind of strength and endurance.

>>35101758
Your knees will implode. Don't be a meathead. Ofc that goes for less built people but muscleheads tend to tire faster, have shitty military style endurance in all general areas and because they weigh 100kg/220lbs plus, suffer from the same problems that obese people do if they take up running because no matter how well trained you are, your bones are still made from the same basic material so enjoy shin splints.

Take a look at the body types of various special forces guys. They are typically not massive like the guy in the OP picture, they are well-rounded and do not carry any more muscle weight than they have to in order to perform the jobs required. Peak fitness is a well-rounded balance, and while skinny endurance runners cannot carry anything and bears cannot run far, the guys in the middle ground ultimately perform better as "soldiers" because being well-rounded is far better than being good at one thing but shit at the other

>>35102738
Smaller guys make for smaller targets, and taller guys die in combat at a higher rate than short guys. Losing a rifleman is bad, but losing your support gunner is really bad

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>>35101758
>Is it true that they have less stamina and thus are slower at running/tire easily?
If they don't train for it, but muscles don't make you slower.
The real reason is calories. The skinny guy doesn't need as many, which is a big advantage logistically.

>>35105425
I hear this word a lot what isn't considered a manlet?

>>35107364
6'5" and up.

>>35107364
6'5 was the cutoff last time I checked

>>35107364
12ft and up. And even 12ft is pushing it.
>>35107373
>>35107378
>Will they ever learn?

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>>35107373
>>35107378
>not 7ft +
manlets confirmed
>>35107423
this guy knows what's up. how it do my EGS bro

>>35102879
Same reason they pick small chicks to do porn

>>35108744
Makes the cock look bigger?

>>35108753
Small people don't need as much cocaine to get hooked. Saves the studio a lot of money in the long run.

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>>35101900
Or the enemies will actually drop their weapons upon seeing those masculine abs and muscles and would come out and beg for them for cuddles and kisses.

Besides would you deny pic related?

>"come here, comrade"

>>35103680
>In good units, they get handed to the next senior dude in the team below the team leader, because by then, he'll have a better understanding of how to employ it to support his team.
What link related they said pretty much. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ND73dgyT3s

>>35109294
KEK!

weird how /k/ has no mainstay /fit/ threads. Physical conditioning is a pretty important thing for military-oriented hobbies.

Should we put together a general or something with a pastebin on conditioning basics, like a standard routine or stuff like that?

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>>35101758

>>35103697
Machines fail more often than knees do, and with a heavier cost than one guy blowing out his shit.

Marching will NEVER, ever fall out of style.

>>35105440
I bet everyone loved you.

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>>35109294
destroeyd

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>>35109294

>>35101758
During my time in the AF, the bodybuilder types got penalized heavily because of their BMI. They would have to make up for it during the run portion because the push-ups/sit-ups portions don't net you much in the way of points. You can be hulked out, but if you don't have the cardio to back it up, you'll score about as much as some tubby fatass or a fast skellington.

>>35102303
It's definitely common, but it's not a good idea long term. That shit is bad for your heart and taxes the shit out of your liver. The vast majority of the team guys I have met are more otter mode vs. bear mode. Getting bulked up does nothing for your endurance. One team guy I was good friends with got on the gear after he got out and started doing contractor stuff, he came back from one trip to Iraq all bulked up, and with one of the worst cases of body acne I've ever seen...

>>35101758
Advantages
>Can carry things better
>More intimidating
>More brave due to higher testosterone

Disadvantages
>Require way more food
>Bigger target
>Bleed out easier (muscle bleeds more than other tissues, and they're more vascular)

I'm assuming the guy's cardio is on point. Weightlifters who don't do cardio do about as good as normal people who don't do cardio. It's no more of a disadvantage.

>>35110540
>>More brave due to higher testosterone
Unless they're in PEDs then no.

>>35109294
how will virgins ever recover

>>35102312
Joe Rogan is a stupid and unfunny asshole.

>>35102378
BARs were always given to the smallest guy back in the day.
source: Bill Mauldin

>>35107364
Anyone smaller than the one who uses the term.

>>35108744
6' Holly Michaels is fine.
She may be the exception proving the rule.

I don't know anything about the military. What are the fitness requirements? I assume you must be able to run and lift a certain distances and weights right?

>>35113478
depends on the branch. Most have push ups, situps, and a run. Marines have pull ups instead of push ups.

>>35113398
Maybe sometimes, but he's probably not wrong about this guy. He WAS fucking wrong about Rhonda Rousey. I have no idea why he overestimated her abilities to the degree that he thought she could even beat male competitors.

>>35113493
>Most have push ups, situps, and a run. Marines have pull ups instead of push ups.
How many of each?

>>35101830
The guy on pic was, when it was taken world champion of strongman's competition where most of their competitions are about carrying heavy stuff around. I suppose he would do well in some roles.

>>35114478
there's a minimum and a maximum, for Army I don't remember the minimum but maximum for an 18 year old is 71 push ups, 75 sit ups, and a 13 minute 2 mile.
If I remember correctly Marine Corps has a lower minimum, but higher max sit ups (100) and a more challenging 18 minute 3 mile. maximum.

>>35113478
Old school army min standards for 18-21 y.o. males was:
42 pushups in 2 minutes
52 situps in 2 minutes
15:54 2 mile run

Max was:
82 pushups in 2 minutes
92 situps in 2 minutes
11:54 2 mile run

They lowered the standards awhile back, though...

>>35101758
Yeah, youll fall behind on long stomps, wont have as much endurance, more likely to overheat.

>>35114552
>>35114502
Why do they have minimum and maximum standards.

>>35114591
as in - wouldn't minimum be enough? or do they take over-performers somewhere else like sf or something?

>>35114552
Wait thwres a max? As in you can't go over or no join?

>>35114613
You can go over, but you don't get any extra points for it.

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>>35109294
>no actual computer
>just a disconnected unpowered monitor and keyboard
>posts to the internet using sheer force of will

>>35102378
>German conscript
>tall
>lmao here enjoy this MG3, 11kg of Kraut Steel
>everyone else gets to lug ammo boxes for it
It's not so bad because basic German infantry squads are basically overinflated heavy weapons teams.

>>35101758
0352 here. Your size is going to land you as a machinegunner if you join the Marines. They're also going to snatch you for working parties that involve moving shit.

>>35101758
bigger target to hit
needs more food
has trouble scrambling up embankments (too much mass in upper body)
prolly cant fit though doors or under barbed wire - or tough culverts

>>35101792
no matter your composition the ruck is going to destroy joints and cartilage

>>35102200
sas and frogmen are mostly midgets
so yaa

>>35109294
I wish I didn't look so much like the "chad", jk I love it.

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>>35115166
Is this you?

>>35115481
Nah, I have longer hair and a better chin

>>35114591
>>35114595
It's graded on a points scale.
Once you pass the maximum you can't gain anymore points. As for the run, no extra points if you're lower than the minimum time.

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you need to be the vitruvian man

>>35114591
>Why do they have minimum and maximum standards.

Because you need a minimum standard to establish a baseline for training, and that's what it does. A schmuck who meets the bare minimum should be able to join a regular unit and be trainable, and after 6 months to a year of training at their unit, should be well improved physically. If a dude gets to a unit and can't meet the minimum, then he can be kicked the fuck out for being a lazy, weak piece of shit.

The max standard demonstrates an individual that is prepared for further training in any physical task. And is designed to encourage fitness by rewarding those individuals with promotion points.

If a dude can't even meet the minimum PT standards, then he's not going to be able to hang in schools like ranger school, or be able to do a 12 mile ruck with 50lbs at a 15 min per mile pace, but the dude that scores max probably will.

>>35116410
Are there workouts I can do to grow additional limbs or do you have to be born like that?

>>35102248
>all the body builder types in my unit had thick as shit necks so they could pass tape
wut

>>35113398
Sure thing Mohammed.

>>35117188
I remember reading if you cut the limb half way, there is a 50/50 chance that the attached stump will split and grow as a separate appendage.

i don't know about everyone else's experiences, but at my current unit, we have a bunch of jacked dudes. one is legit just as big as the guy in op's picture, just not as defined. everyone runs 14:00 2 mile or better. even with the green berets i worked with on deployment, they were all pretty big in size except one who was just tall and lanky.

unit-dependent though, my platoon thankfully isn't full of dumbasses.