Canada Considers Buying Used Hornets from Aussieland

>Let's make a campaign promise that we won't buy the F-35.
>'wins election'
>Welp, looks like the F-35 was actually the best choice after all and the conservatives were just so incompetent they made the situation look worse than it actually was.
>Oh well, i guess we can just kick the can down the road so that the next admin can pick up this optics nightmare.

Canadian military procurement everyone.

>>35101623
Are they going to replace there 40+ year old destroyers anytime soon? Or any ship in their navy at this point?

>>35101623
>they're not even going to buy superhornets from boeing
>they're going to buy our old worthless hornets
leafs

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>>35101623
please buy our old clapped out Hornets, perhaps we can interest you in some Gavins as well?

>>35101623
Why the fuck is our government to incompetent

Hornets are all you need.

>>35102009
>Trudeau government
GEE, I DON'T KNOW! IF ONLY WE KNEW THAT THE PARTY WAS A FUCKING JOKE!

>>35101623
>Canadian procurement is run by a bunch of assholes confirmed
This was confirmed literally decades ago

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cant those poutine eating maple suckers make their own plane?
oh right - no they cant. they gave that up.

>>35101774
The 1 destroyer left in the Navy is basically a port queen. The other ships are still pretty modern.

The main problem with the RCN right now is procuring a supply ship, and current politics tell me it costs the second most senior officer's career in order to obtain one.

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just to rub it in a little more

>>35102063
We need a fuckton more icebreakers, too.
You'd figure the country with the largest aquatic border in the world would have a well equipped navy...

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>>35102063
what's the status on the Victoria subs? do they work yet? is there any plan to replace them?

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>>35102085

>Kitbash a VF-23 Black widow model kit
>Paint it in old RCAF livery
>ITS THE ARROW GUIZ PLS FUND MY NOSTALGIA ART PROJECT

Gets me everytime. It looks fine as hell too.

>>35102091
Having a large navy would require a large military budget, which would require an economy powerful enough to do such.

Next you need a large enough population to have a solid recruitment pool, but most importantly your nation needs the political will to even begin to invest more heavily in military, which has been the most emasculating factor of Canadian politics since the reunification of Germany.

>>35102097
>what's the status on the Victoria subs?
Tries to be green.
>do they work yet? is there any plan to replace them?
They've always sorta worked, but the problem with buying foreign equipment is that you gotta rip everything out and replace it with your own gear. Ditto on old and abused foreign equipment. There is no real plan to replace them as far as I know.

>>35101623
hahahaha

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oi nah m8 they still fly heaps good aye, just have to replace the wheels cos fuckin damo kept hooning on the fucking runway

fuckin dog cunt damo

>>35101623
And the biggest irony is that the Aussies are only selling off their hornets because they're getting replaced by F-35s.

>>35102313
Trudeau is just delaying purchasing the F-35's as long as possible since he is just wrapping up 1 procurement scandal that ended in the wrong man being publicly scapegoated.

>>35101794
Its not like they actually care about their airforce
In reality, they'll just let America do all the air stuff for them

>>35101623
They're also considering buying Kuwait's Hornets, who are replacing their Hornets with Super Hornets.

https://www.durhamregion.com/news-story/7540028-feds-looking-at-alternatives-to-super-hornets/

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>>35102345
america loves its hat
you are what lets us know if the russkies are coming

>>35101623

It's just boilerplate performance politics. We'll end up buying the new advanced F-18s.

>>35102091
>We need a fuckton more icebreakers, too.
Maybe when the USCG retires some older ones you can buy those too.

>>35102552
>It's just boilerplate performance politics. We'll end up buying the new advanced F-18s.

Plausible. He is a substitute drama teacher after all.

>>35102685
ccgc samuel risely > bay class uscgc
with the exception of the mackinaw, our icebreakers date back to ww2.

>>35102552
>We'll end up buying the new advanced F-18s.
You mean the ones that don't exist, you'll have to foot all the dev costs on, and will be way more expensive in every way than just buying F-35As?

>>35102742
Don't worry about the price, we've got a bunch of doctors we can raise taxes on.

>>35102742

I didn't say it was a particularly good idea.

>>35102063
The destroyer was decommishioned a while ago now.

>>35102969
>decommissioned**

>>35102969
Yeah, it was. I didn't really connect those dots since I stood on it a few weeks ago.

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>>35102063
Should have bought Australian

>>35101903
>Gavins
REEEEEEE SPARKY GET OUT

>>35102136
>They've always sorta worked,
Not really, they're absolute port queens.

>>35101623
To be fair, we basically have no need to defend ourselves, we have one neighbour and we're very close allies with them.

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I can't actually even begin to imagine what the fuck is going through the Navy Brass's limited minds.
>One cruiser that does nothing but sit in Halifax and eat through gas
>Destroyers are so fucking broken and doomed to serve until 2030
>Victoria subs have the potential to catch fire at any time on any routine due to shitty ancient diesels
>Kingston Class are nearly useless and just sit in port unless the CCG needs them to arrest a bunch of Lobster fishermen
>No support ships
>AOPS ships are going to take another 5 years because our engineers don't know how to build a ship
>No replacement in sight for Halifax class destroyers
Then Sajjan tells everybody that World War 2 was his idea and they should all lick his shit for being more qualified than the last MoD
> "B-b-but we need dem Hornets haha, let's not buy Raptors or something less ancient and better suited! We n-need those air force commissions!
Meanwhile in Halifax:
>Four "Proud Boys" put on suspension and major public concern with 200 people showing up to protest the Navy
RCN is completely fucked. I'm sinking this ship to kill the Captain.

>>35103227
>I can't actually even begin to imagine what the fuck is going through the Navy Brass's limited minds.
"America will do fix it"

I'm Australian, and our national defence plan is literally just "Sit tight, have a few with the mates, sink a few ships with the subs, and wait until the Yanks fix it up north."

That's it.

>>35101623
could be worse. they could be buying F-35s

>>35101623
should have just bought Chinese

>>35103227
>Destroyers are so fucking broken and doomed to serve until 2030

The RCN doesn't have destroyers anymore.

>>35103115
We hate you so much you have no idea.

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>>35103280
Alright Mr Specifics, Guided Missile Frigate.

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>>35103321

>>35103227
>One cruiser that does nothing but sit in Halifax and eat through gas

What is this?

>>35102060
>implying it wasn't the US being assmad

>>35103378
we had nothing to do with that plane retard

>>35103034
so overpriced Spanish?

>>35101903
>>35101623
The reason for this is because the hornets are cheap as fuck. You would basically be paying for the cost of transportation to Canada. Now while the Aussie legacy hornets are beat to fuck, they have valuable spares (avionics and engines) and structural members that can be be cannibalized into the Canadian fleet. this would probably buy between 3-8 years of extra flying, especially if the Aussie hornets are examined to see if any are structurally more sound.

By the end of that 3-8 years, finland will be probably very close to a solution for their jets if not already on it, allowing the Canadian government to keep sponging off the global legacy hornet supply until its totally fucking beaten into the ground.

Why? Why do that? It allows the F-35 to work out a lot of kinks, allows the Nordic nations to winterize it and the Israelis to develop 2 seat forward fuselage like they want. It allows Boeing to integrate the Growler EW package into it as an option. Meanwhile Canada endures a decade and a half of flying beat ass hornets.

The truth is, Canada needs a bomber if the are going to continue supporting operation "bomb tuskan raiders"

>>35102085
If the Canadians wanted an arrow mk 2 they could just fund a production run of advanced F-15s sporting a modified rear fusilage that allowed for the larger F-35 engine.

>>35101623
Why do you even need a jet? No one is gonna invade Canada. Lel Russki menace lel Northern passage lol. Global warming is fake or so I heard, so thats not gonna happen. The US can't even handle hurricanes so they not gonna invade you either. Just buy 12 Pilatus and call it a day.

>>35103442
Actually makes sense, and would work, if you can be sure of zero hostilities with a peer opponent for the next 10 yrs.

Sponging, unadventurous, presumptuous fucks.

/Ausfag rant.

>>35103258
At least you guys buy shit

>>35103442
>2 seater F-35

That seems complicated as fuck. And would probably reduce it's internal fuel capacity, which is a bigger deal for the F-35 than it is for most aircraft.

>>35103587
We'd buy more shit if you didn't block exporting it so often.

>>35103497
I can't wait until the Chinese discover that their ancient history said something about dominating the entire planet once. Is Trudeau going to ask the Chinese to move back to their old 4th gen ripoffs and scrap the 5th gens because stealth is unfair?

>>35103587
We have to. You'll cause a revolution if we don't.

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>>35103442
weedman made a retarded campaign promise and now you're paying for it, now you're using the typical Canadian military bludger attitude to justify it

fucking pathetic

>>35103442
What I'm hearing is that Canada doesn't care about it's NORAD committments

>>35103627
If you're getting bad shit, hook up with a different weedman.

>>35103115
True, if Canada gets invaded we will autistically rage and liberate you

>>35103286
But you'll always have to defend us

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Strewth, my RSL has a Centurion Mk III out the front, I'm sure for the right number of canadabux they'll sell it to you.

I'll let the treasurer know Canada is looking to rearm. Looks a little rough and you will need to bring your own battery and fuel, but you can't go wrong with a centurion.

>>35101623
I feel this is some kind of next level shitposting/talking.
If both cuntries managed to form a shitpost alliance I fear the world wouldn't be able to countain the liquid shite spewing form both side of the tubes.

>>35102262
fuckin has me dying cunt.

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>>35103286
>falseflagging shitpoststani detected
Typical australia, always trying to push the family apart.
We'll have you know we love our brother lots and we'd fight to the death to protect him if anyone tried to hurt him.
P.S. dad thinks you were a mistake

>>35101623
we already have hornets so it makes sense

>>35103286

lol

>>35103947
>always
>have to

>>35104161
>canadian detected
Mistaking facts for bantz made it so obvious. I hate you. America hates you. The day you slip up with the protection money, you'll be left as food for the Chinese dogs.

>>35103442
Honestly Canada just needs a national guard and that's it.

It simply does not have the resources to really even maintain any kind of peacetime army whatsoever.

It's too big with too small of a population.

>>35104368
And you're not kibble for the Chinks either, bud? Please.

>>35104368
>implying I am not burger
Lowly delinquent Australia, always trying to bring the rest of us down to his pathetic level.
Will you ever grow out of your convict mindset?

>>35104379
im in favour of retaining an all professional force but just slimming the number of people down and then more heavily integrating operationally with the states. this would allow canada to field a very small but quite advanced force that would satisfy nato and norad commitments, domestic operational requirements, and give it the ability to conduct operations globally. JTF2 is a very small scale manifestation of those ideas and it has proven extremely successful for the government.

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>>35103227
>One cruiser that does nothing but sit in Halifax and eat through gas
The RCN doesnt operate a cruiser
>Destroyers are so fucking broken and doomed to serve until 2030
The RCN doesnt operate destroyers, you are referring to the halifax class frigate which were commissioned in the early through mid 90s and are currently being refit and modernized to ensure effective operational capability into 2030
>>Victoria subs have the potential to catch fire at any time on any routine due to shitty ancient diesels
Victoria class submarines were commissioned in the mid through late 90s and are in no way ancient by naval standards
>Kingston Class are nearly useless and just sit in port unless the CCG needs them to arrest a bunch of Lobster fishermen
The primary mission of the kingston class is surveillance, patrol, survey, and counter narcotics. So by useless you actually mean working exactly as intended.
AOPS ships are going to take another 5 years because our engineers don't know how to build a ship
The harry dewolf class is under construction right now
>No replacement in sight for Halifax class destroyers
No, the single class surface combatant project was created to develop a replacement and is slated to have the vessels completed 2020-2030s
"B-b-but we need dem Hornets haha, let's not buy Raptors or something less ancient and better suited! We n-need those air force commissions!
As another anon in this thread pointed out its an excellent economic strategy for canada to simply purchase everyones f18s for components. Canada isnt about to enter a conventional war against a major power anytime soon and thus the fa18 is perfectly serviceable for the predicted combat operations of the next decade. Also its illegal under federal law in the US to export the f22

The RCN is right in the middle of a massive expansion, refit, and modernization in order to have seamless integration with allied forces on the likely future battlefields and to increase its own operation capacity.

>>35105235
sources:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fleet_of_the_Royal_Canadian_Navy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_Class_Surface_Combatant_Project
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_DeWolf-class_offshore_patrol_vessel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Shipbuilding_Procurement_Strategy

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Canada should just buy old hornets to save money. The chances of actually needing fighters is remote and not worth it for anyone else besides the US, China, or Russia.

There is a small use case scenario that can be argued for very small nations buying something like the Gripen just so they are not bullied so much but Canada has nothing to worry about.

Also the super bugs are super disproportionate and the original hornets look way better and I think theyre bretty sexy.

HARV is sexiest bug.

>>35104379
Or maybe Canada could spend more then 1% of it's gdp on defense and have a real military independent of big brother America. Australia's population is 10 million less yet manage to spend twice as much on defense as Canada dose in order to maintain our much higher needs and commitments.

>>35101623
Makes sense, thanks to the HUG program Canada's and our hornets should be largely identical plus there shouldn't be any ITAR issues.

Currently the RAAF hornet fleet is planned to be in service for another 5 years so by using our time x jets for spare parts Trudeau should be able to push the problem onto the next government.

The alternative is for us to dig a hole and bury them like the f-111

>>35105349
>burying f111s

Why are people such assholes?

>>35105349
Also Canada is full of Neo-Marxists that dont want to contribute to anything and just want Oil gibs so dont expect them to actually take responsibility for protecting themselves.

>>35105355
There's a shells that have been turned into gate guardians. There really isn't any other option, thanks to contract obligations we can't sell them to anyone without getting permission from the states first.

>>35105359
In that case admit that you are fully reliant on the evil USA for protection. Disband your defense force and replace them with a coast guard and a reserve air force made up of a dozen fa-50s for air interdiction.

Canada is like 50 % Han Chinese by now, save face and buy J10Cs from the mainland.

>>35103227
>Kingston Class are nearly useless
Hey they come down to seattle during seafair and look cute next to the burkes that come also.

The one i was one literally turned the back half of their bridge into a gym...I was confused.

>>35102262
>>kek
FUCKIN BRILLIANT

>>35102262
Literal tears of laughter

>>35103729
"...and annex you."
FTFY

>>35101794
They could if Boeing would stop being dicks refusing to sell over Bombardier undercutting Boeing in the Civilian aircraft game.

>>35103442
No amount of >30 year old "spare parts" are going to fix cracked airframes and problems that aren't detected or fixed due to low budgets anyway.

It's crazy when you compare the potential of Canada with the current state of the country.

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leafs = hosers

>>35104926
We have guns from this millennium unlike you syrup suckers and the chinks.

>>35105726
Urban socialism is one hell of a drug.

>>35101623
Ha I didn't even think canadia had an Air Force.

t. Person from real America

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Buy Su-30 lmao. Imagine, Su-30MKC.

>>35105247
>>35103442
Then what's the point of ever buying anything? Just keep putting it off forever apparently.

>>35103227
>>AOPS ships are going to take another 5 years because our engineers don't know how to build a ship
They're going to be doing their maiden runs within 2.
>>No replacement in sight for Halifax class destroyers
Let me put it to you this way, if the Halifax class is older than you, then you shouldn't be posting on /k/.
>> "B-b-but we need dem Hornets haha, let's not buy Raptors or something less ancient and better suited! We n-need those air force commissions!
I understand this is being sarcastic, but Raptors aren't available for any foreign force.
>>Four "Proud Boys" put on suspension and major public concern with 200 people showing up to protest the Navy
Those natives weren't protesting anything to do with the navy, that was to do with the Cornwallis Statue in downtown Halifax.

It's like someone in Northern Ontario who is detached from real Naval situations wrote this post.

>>35107167
having su planes near murica

rednecks will invade canada in no time

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>>35107167
>imblying

>>35105379
Lel

>>35103286
This. So much this.

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>>35101623
Typical leafs.

>>35102444
Why does't this map have ALERT marked up at the tippity top?

They have a radar, its painted orange.

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How can leafs even compete????

>>35105723
you failed to read. I covered the cracked airframe issue. You can swap out spars, structural ribs, etc.
>>35103627
But I am American, anon-kun
>>35103497
All of those traits describe a Canadian very well.

>>35103458
That's not a "production run", that's a whole new plane

>>35105242
>All Wikipedia

>>35101727
>promise to not do something that makes sense
>break that promise
inverse America

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>>35101623
A friendly reminder Australia would ruin Cucknada in a war

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>>35114698
hmmm

>>35114698
Your charts out of date.

Canada's defense budget is only 15.3 billion

>>35114310
Im not going to do the total research to prove some dipshit wrong on 4chan, its enough to simply raise the information and starting point to access more.

>>35103286
>>35111675
come on /k/nights dont be mad we somehow managed to avoid nearly all the insane cultural problems rampant in America

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>>35101623
Like it matter what the Canadians use.

>>35107167

Doesn't some Caribbean cunts have some?

>>35116100
Venezuela?

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>>35101623
if only...

>>35115086
The Canadian military budget is 20billion and will rise to the 30's in compliance with the incremental raise to 2% of gdp.

>>35116150
No, >>35102123 and >>35102085 had the right idea: when the USAF picked the 22, Northrop should have pitched the 23 to the Canadians as a long-range fast stealth option...

>>35117712
Even if they did pitch the yf23 to the rcaf they would run into the same export restrictions because of muh "advanced tech"