contract for new rifle for polish army is officially signed

>>35078609
Isn't that the rifle that can be easily converted into a bullpup as well as serve as MG/sniper?

....so yet another SCAR clone?

>>35078609
Holy crap, and I have thought that it will be stuck in developement hell forever. GJ, although there are still many things to fix.

>>35078684
Yeah, all true.

>>35079228
Major improvement from Beryl AK tho.

>>35078609
How about posting an actual source with your low quality thread you nigger piece of shit.

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nice

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>>35078609
Do you have an actual source for that?

Are they actually issuing the things with Magpul grips?

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>>35079228
...now with KURWA™ magic.

>>35079423
>Major improvement from Beryl AK tho.
how?

>>35079497
Are you retarded?

>>35079228
ACR clone*

>>35079497
Logistics (common platform for rifle, carbine, MG, DMR), ergonomics, standard NATO 5.56mm mags, that can be easier loaded than in Beryl, rails, probably more accurate as well.

>>35079514
>Are you retarded?
No. Just not a NATO-toy fan.

>>35079523
fair enough.

Aww yiss we modern rifles nao

Poland needs the up-grade as soon a NAZI/Kebab Army will descend on the few Christians left in C. Europa

>>35078609
>Tfw we'll never get GROTs in the US because the ZOG told the ATF not to approve any imports from Poland because they're resisting EU immigration quotas

I'm pissed when do we GTK-RWN?

>>35079441
ARfags get this mad when their shitty 1950's platform doesn't get adopted.

>>35078609
how about a source?

>>35080564
>>35079441
http://www.defence24.pl/656912,53-tys-karabinow-grot-dla-wojska-polskiego-kontrakt-podpisany

Only in Polish now, since contract was singed today, title says: "53 thousands GROT rifles for Polish Army. Contract signed."

Btw, it is quite pricey, whole deal is for 0,5 bln zlotys, so it is about 3000$ per rifle. I hope this includes support and additional equipment.

>>35078609
is it going to conventional forces, SOF, or both?

>>35080779
At first to SOF and """Territorial Defence""".

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>They are also changing the name from MSBS to GROT

Well this makes me happy. Radom was saying forever that they wouldn't start civilian sales until they confirmed a contract with the Polish army. With any luck we might finally see them for sale here in the states in a year or two.

>>35080860
Maybe we'll get non century AK'S in 5.45 again. God I love poland

>>35080945
Pole don't use 5.45, the Beryl is 5.56. And IICR they do have plans for one for the US market but the last I heard the ATF gave them a bunch of shit for some trivial little things so all they got approved in their initial application was for some .22s

The Polish Army is only around 100k men, so an order of 53k rifles isn't a lot. Sounds like they are only going to be equipping SF units and maybe a few other select line units. If the gun does well after issue, they will probably put in another order to fill out the rest of their forces. it probably won't be until then that they will look at selling on the civ market. Guns will probably cost around 1500-2000 I'm guessing.

>>35080799
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_Defence_Force_(Poland)

>>35081373
I know how this service is called, just forming this kind of formation, especially in way it is done, makes no sense to me.

>>35079554
>No. Just not a NATO-toy fan
The Beryl is an AK

>>35078609
Oh man fucking FINALLY

>>35078609
Btw, Stefan 'Grot' Rowecki was the first commander of the Home Army.

Grot (arrowhead) is also a nice reference to it's factory, Fabryka Broni ''Łucznik'' (Weapons Factory ''Archer'') in Radom

Other than that it was also chosen because it's short, doesn't contain exclusively native letters and foreigners can read/pronounce it

It also breaks our retarded communist times "tradition'' of naming guns after minerals.

>>35079521
Considering the ACR died with Remington this now takes the place of the ACR...though the conversion from bullpup to traditional needs to be given credit.

Hmm... This? Or the CZ806? Damn the slavs know how to build guns.

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>>35078684
Yup and they made every effort to import them to the U.S but ATF kept fuckimg them so they finally closed down their US subsidiary.

>>35079228

The convergence of all these rifles was always going to happen, but no one wants to pay FN to license the design when they can spit out a clone.

>>35081440
Best I can tell the idea is to have local forces who can be "boots on the ground with local knowledge to prevent a fractioning off hot rebellion/insurgency ala Donbass, Transiestria, or those counties in Georgia.

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>Grot
*brrrrrrrrrrt* (is 5.56mm)

>>35085336
Please tell me this is a lie
Please tell me they haven't given up
Please tell me they'll try again
Please

>>35085630
What a satisfying webm

>>35078609
but did you know wot is gonna get 50% of them?

>>35085336
>>35085976
They still plan on exporting it. They wanted to wait until after the military contract was official.

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>>35084158
The ACR is coming back. New rifles are selling for $1500 and the new barrels are finally for sale. Aftermarket is just getting started.

>>35086150
Thank God
I've been following that thing for years now

>>35085630
This is why the hughes amendment and the sporting purposes bullshit need to die.

>>35085336

The ATF is evil. We can buy 500$ ARs but foreign guns that do the same thing only cost more are banned

>>35086156
I'd ditch all my AR shit for the ACR to come back

>>35086156
Yeah yeah same shit has been said since 2011. They missed their window.

>>35080812
Yeah, it sucks, but what can you do.

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>MSBS finally enters service after couple of years of absolutely nothing and quiet rumours of killing the project
YYYYAAAAAAAAAASSSSS
>ZM Tarnów reveals brand new 308 & 338 rifles
YYYYYYYYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS


http://www.milmag.pl/news/view?news_id=258

How do you fags like thw name GROT? We in Polfagia argue aboot it. It means arrowhead.

>>35080705
>>>35080564
>>>35079441
>I hope this includes support and additional equipment.
Naturally.

>>35086156
>>35086688
>>35086710
Whats so special about the ACR?
Not trolling. I just dont know alot about the rifle. Does it last 10k rounds are something? Like the Scar.
Again. I tried reading about it. Just curious

>>35088240
I don't know how that vowel sounds in Polish, but when I read it in my head it sounds like "scrot" which is pretty cool. I mean, what's not to like about killing things with my nutsack?

>>35078609
>purchasing new rifles for the Polish military
What for? So they have new guns to throw away and surrender to the Russians?

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>>35088086
Wow that Tarnów thing is pretty sweet looking
I happy our new government finally gets shit done

>>35088374
https://translate.google.com/#pl/en/grot
Let google-tan pronounce it for you

>>35078609
should just buy czech


:^)

>>35088411
Yeah that sounds about like how I imagined it.

>>35086231
Yeah as a big Polaboo I've been pretty interested in getting a MSBS for my not!AR15. Might have to go with a Bren instead, Czechs seemed pretty based

>>35088411
>I happy our new government finally gets shit done
>he thinks this can be attributed to the gov
lol what a dumb fuck

>>35088411
>>35088498
>also that cringey photo
do you fap to the Kaczaffi's nudes?

>implying I'll give you free (you)s

>>35085630
What's up with the brass? Is it supposed to move around like this?

>>35086625

That's because the number one reason for import control is to prop up the domestic US gun industry.

God forbid the champions of the free market have to compete with innovation from elsewhere lol

>>35088672
could be due to expansion of ejector and adjacent parts from heat

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>>35078609

>>35089074
I want them all.

>>35089074
You know, I'm not a fan of bullpup, but top right looks like space sex. Me likey

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>>35078609
>>35079448
>>35089074
So when can we see pic related

>>35088086
>that link
Nice!

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>>35089173
pretty soon, snice we already see 7.62x39 version

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>>35089194
>snice

That's snice indeed my dude

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>>35089328
please pardon my engrish

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>>35078609
What's the reliability on these things?

>>35089468
https://youtu.be/R-4G1Bo_jgA
https://youtu.be/83OpzeHiw2Y
https://youtu.be/gEIDAk2bSR4

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>>35089468
Those look like super old prototypes my man

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>>35090228
Those were interesting videos showing me it isn't vaporware and actually works, but I meant as in sand testing and likes. Kinda looks the ACR or SCAR (different rifles, I know) so maybe it performs like those.

>>35090245
Don't judge me for my liking of baby poop colored guns.

>>35088086
Wow, those things are neat.

>>35078609
>ready for production
F I N A L L Y

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>>35091220
Short stroke gas piston with manual gas regulation. Knowing that You can take a guess how it will handle some dirt. I have some docs about it but they are in Polish and I can't do all of the translation from my phone...

>>35088672
>>35088780

FFS. It's not like the magazine spring and round stack is pressing up on the bottom of the bolt group like a goddamn brake or anything.

A brake that progressively becomes less forceful as rounds evacuate the magazine.

Changing bolt speed totally won't change the ejection direction though.

>>35093120
So fair to good reliablility I presume?

>>35091220
http://www.milmag.pl/news/view?news_id=121
Part of the article says:
Generally the SF guys who took part in the tests like the rifle. They like the option to move ris not only in 3,6,9 and 12 o'clock but in between positions too. They like how easy it is to take it apart and clean. How quick and easy barrel change system works. What they didn't really like was how stiff was the trigger but author says it's because they have habits from their tricked out hk416's with moded trigger groups. He says that the modular nature of the msbs makes it really easy to modify.
Anyway it will take a lot of time before any civilians will be able to test it out.

>>35086156
Aren't the new barrels like $500 each?
Fuck that

>>35078609
Chcę jednego. Can anyone give an estimate on when they'll have a civilian variant stateside for us Polskiboos and diaspora that want to shoot at Stalin targets?

>>35085458
This, it's a short stroke piston gun with a plastic lower, only idiots stateside think they are anything special, especially without full auto

>>35089074
I liek the longest version has a bayonet attached

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>>35089074
>cyberpunk modular rifle is soon to be here

>>35078609
Pls gib asap, using Beryl for 2 weeks made me realize how flawed of a design that is.

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>>35088086
forget the MSBS, this Tarnów thing looks cool af

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>>35085458
Shame there's no AR-15 type parts commonality for this new "pattern". But nice to see Poland matching up to Euro state-of-the art, especially on the plastics technology side and with a home design. Not many countries can do small arms now.

>>35095706
It uses AR15 grips, sights, and magazines. That's pretty huge.

It also appears to use MLOK.

>>35089074
>all the barrels are fluted
Neat feature or nah?

>>35095735
Very neat. It cuts down on weight, and is better for cooling.

>>35080391
If by Nazi you mean American-backed EU army then yeah.

>>35093417
the K in MSBS-K stand for carbine right
what is the S in MSBS-S stand for?

>>35095757
subkarabin?

>>35080437
>Doesn't want to import the guns from a country which actively denies any terrorists entrance through their border

Nice logic, ATF, don't you have some dogs to shoot?

>>35082994
Yeah, I liked the name a lot.

>>35095757
>MSBS-5.56K (Polish: klasyczny, English: classic) – "Conventional" variant that is chambered in 5.56×45mm NATO cartridge with folding and retractable stock.
>MSBS-7.62S (Soviet) – is an assault rifle variant chambered in 7.62×39mm cartridge

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FB_MSBS#Variants

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Kurwalander reporting, here's a pic of me holding one at the recent airshow, those things are neat and I appreciate ambidextrous design since I'm a lefty. I just wish funs were more accessible here. Apparently it's in the works since we finally chose uncucked government.

>>35095823
I'm amazed that people on /k/ don't give a shit about posting pictures of themselves since literally everywhere else on 4chan except /soc/ it's considered haram and inviting derision.

>>35095815
>MSBS-7.62S (Soviet)
that bull shit because the MSBS-S is the 254mm SBR version

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>>35078609
Poland is our greatest ally in Europe.
>Shared culture of fighting tyranny and oppression
>They actually like us unlike every other country in Europe
>George W took the time to say, "You forgot Poland" when talking about the countries that helped us most
>Opposes EU's Authoritarian actions and orders
>Removes refugees

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>>35095826
I honestly don't give a shit, I'm nobody anyway, just a random bloke. Have some more guns, I think those are from Grom or Formoza booth. I finally had a chance to fingerfuck HK M416, loved it.

>>35095826
It's honestly pretty damn neat, lot of folks don't even take the time to blur or cut out their faces. What makes me sad though is I have not seen a /k/lass photo thing for a long while.

>>35088708
Considering how European handguns absolutely dominate the American market, it seems best to at least let Americans control the long arms...

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>Ministry of Defence wants to build public fun ranges in every county

YES
YES!
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES


https://wpolityce.pl/m/polityka/356665-brawo-mon-w-kazdym-powiecie-powstana-strzelnice-beda-dostepne-dla-wszystkich

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>>35081097
Radom tried twice and failed both times to get approval for import into the US. They were even told what to change the first time they were denied and still fucked it up. The jokes/memes about Poles being retarded must be true.

Also from what I've read Radom have the actual attitude of the old HK meme. People have had problems with their guns, when they contact the company for support they're told to basically go fuck a rusty rake.

>>35096130
I feel like the eastern Euros are the only ones using their brains these days.

A few eastern European nations
>Oh hey, Russia is next door and still a dick!
>Better make sure our populace can shoot and has access to shooting activities!

Rest of Europe
>Oh hey, Russia is next door and still a dick!
>Better ban guns and make them seem like the ultimate evil!

>>35096130
>mfw born in Belgistan
Kill me

>>35096172
Seems like it wasn't until the roaches from mideast started coming by the thousands that most countries decided shooting sports are ok. Poland had some of the most strict gun laws in euro until recently iirc.

>>35095823
How's the weight n' ergonomics?

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>>35096130
Fucking please do! Are there any true fun ranges in Europe at all?!

>>35096272
There are at least 2 around Bucharest, one is for long range rifles.
The problem is getting approved for owning a gun, whatever gun, even a 22LR.

>>35096253
Compared to beryl it's a night and day difference. Like I said it's ambidextrous, and felt much lighter in hands, but it didn't feel cheap. I also fiddled with one that had grenade launcher on the picatinny rail, you get the feel of a modern rifle for sure. Take my word with a grain of salt though, I'm a noguns and have had very limited experience with firearms, but I'm very interested in them.

>>35095823
was the site that acog copy?

>>35095823
Opinions on ergos, quality, general handling?
Did you get to shoot it?
>>35095826
Can't post gear and not eventually take a selfie wearing it.
>>35095899
Ah, the /k/lass photo.
I wish it would happen again, but I'm a lazy fuck who won't do it myself.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDFL5S-s46Y

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>>35096301
sight* ugh

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>>35096130
I'm wet

>>35096312
Quality and ergos seemed to be top tier, I didn't get to shoot it, it was an exposition piece. I don't know what that optics was, but it had variable zoom, one of the options was 3.4x and it had a backup red dot on top. It was light and felt great to shoulder.

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>>35089074