Zapad 2017

>>35068519
Am I the only one surprised that the Ruskies actually have 100k troops to scrape together into some semi-organized exercise?
>inb4 vatnik shills

>>35068534
According to Wikipedia Russian military have over 1 million active personnel. But dont forget that their ground forces is all conscripts, except spetsnaz.

>>35068577
60% conscripts
40% contract

>>35068577
>But dont forget that their ground forces is all conscripts, except spetsnaz.
>still using the term "spetsnaz" unironically in 2017
Also
>What is VDV

>>35068519
>armed landing hovercraft
It's too bad that for the African / Italian / Pacific / D-Day landings that the allies didn't have some armored & heavily armed landing craft that just didn't beach themselves for close fire support.

>>35068519
>Is there any possibilities that Russia actually invade/occupy Belarus and Baltics?
What for?

>>35068519
One word answer= NO
Two word answer= NO, LOGISTICS.
Detailed answer = No, given that they have severe difficulties in paying, feeding and supplying their troops when they're on bases where the logistics chain is supposed to be at its best, there is no way they could support the supply needs of that many troops at a combat tempo of supply use.

>>35069196
Russia actually has better logistics than whole european NATO part

>>35068519
>invade/occupy Belarus
Belarus is pretty much 'allied' with Russia at this point. I wouldn't be surprised if they were willing to be annexed.
As for the baltics I don't think Russian soldiers would ever overtly occupy any territory. It would just happen in the shadows and behind scenes of the rebel/seperatist movement. Like what happened in Ukraine

>inb4 Russian soldiers were never in Ukraine (excluding Crimea)

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>>35068519
>the Belarus

>>35069196
Pretty much this. They have colossal problems with Ukraine, which technically on par with them.
Against NATO they have no chance.

>>35069270
>They have colossal problems with Ukraine
Name 1 problem

>>35069278
Well, Ukraine stalled Russian advance. And almost immediately Russia ask for peace talks.
I pretty sure Ukrainians in great soldiers, but, at least back then, they had no combat experience whatsoever.

>>35069196
However occuping a basically friendly country and not calling it an occupation does not require said logistics. Nothing stops Putin from saying 'we leave a contingent of 10000 to protect a friendly country from NATO agressions'. The result is essentially the same as in a full blown occupation for the relevant aspects.

>>35069322
Russia isn't exactly waging conventional warfare with combined arms, you realize this right?

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>>35068519
>Is there any possibilities that Russia actually invade/occupy Belarus and Baltics?

This is the state of /k/ today.

>>35069367
you were a newfag too, once

>>35068534
Conscription is still very much a thing there.
Not like they're all combat troops, anyways.

>>35068519
>Belarus
I don't think there would be any point. Belarus cooperates with Russia anyway.
>Balitcs
No way. They're NATO members. Invading them would trigger a probably unwinnable war against NATO, possible nuclear war, and the collapse of the Russian economy (which depends on selling energy products to Europe).

>>35069322
I think Russia could have overrun Ukraine fairly easily, at least in the early part of the war. Thing is, this would have probably triggered the end of the EU-Russia energy products trade, and that would have collapsed Russia's economy. Which is why the Russians played the game of pretending that it was only volunteers going to Donbass. They know that the EU loves their energy products and doesn't really want to give up, so they want to give the EU as many excuses as possible not to. A full-on invasion of Ukraine would be too much.

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>>35069374
When I was a newfag, this kind of thread would have been turned into a mixed sage bomb/porn dump with everyone calling him out on his retardation.

>>35069383
welcome to current year

you're not allowed to hurt anyones feelings or you're a racist

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>>35069196
>given that they have severe difficulties in paying, feeding and supplying their troops when they're on bases
Are you sure you're not talking about NATO right now?

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>>35069575

>>35069381
Isn't their economy collapsed already? They facing negative GDP growth in three years straight. And oil prices not raised by an inch.

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China would wreck Russia in a war what does NATO have to worry about?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBGsRmRjuHE

>>35069680
no it wouldn't
Basically russia would obliterate china losing 15-30 k men in process

>>35069322
Russia annexed Crimea because of Sevastopol, they could not afford to lose the port that they had a lease on there. Russia isn't "struggling" with Ukraine, it has no interest in the rest of it.

>>35069196
russian soldiers raped and pillaged through europe before. you think anything will stop them from doing it again?

>>35069680
You do realize the bomber on your picture is a literal monkey model Tu-16

>>35069485
>implying /k/ isnt pol2.0 now

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>>35069743

It isn't a monkey model at all. You can almost consider it a completely different aircraft at this point.

H-6K bomber has been 90 percent modified based on the last generation of H-6H bombers.
The chinese upgraded everything from engines, LCD cockpit, new radars, avionics, and even upgraded the whole airframe with more carbon fiber and in the end the new H-6K is great for a strategic bomber.

>>35068519
I'm a little jealous of that landing craft.

>>35069575
Implying the Dutch are a useful part of NATO.

Don't worry. When war breaks out Uncle Sam will dole out the brass.

>100.000 men
western world propaganda

its going to be 10k max

>>35068519
>Is there any possibilities that Russia actually invade/occupy Belarus
fucking americans WE ARE A UNION STATE with Russia

the sockpuppet says that j-16 is better than su-34 and type 99 is better then t90. i get it, constantly shitting on russia is a must to fit in on /k/, but do people on here honestly believe that the copy of soviet export can compete with its modernized original? all memes aside, no one is certainly rushing to buy the chinese

>>35069845
Dude, the H-6 is a copy of 1950s Tupolev.

>Chinese engines
Jesus Christ. Stick to selling gwailo cardboard shoes on amazon.

>>35069845
Chinese
>engines
>electronics
>construction

It was probably a better plane before they modified it to be honest

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>Russia starts shit.
>Russian comms get shit on by NATO ECM
>All little Ivan can hear is static initially but then starts Rule Britannia playing.
>"But Sergei you told me the QE didn't have any F-35s on board and wasn't ready for combat operations!"
>Combined might of the Queen Elizabeth, Charles de Gaulle, USS George H.W. Bush dominate the skies.
>Leopard 2s, Abrams, and Leclercs sweep through cleaning up whatever is left.

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>>35070093
>>Leopard 2s, Abrams, and Leclercs sweep through cleaning up whatever is left.
so that's what hangars are for. leopards and leclers

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>>35069913

Russia has been exporting arms far longer then China has and in much larger numbers. It is easier to get support, training, replacement parts, etc. Additionally Russian exports are more battle tested.

Still a few countries are buying some drones including Iraq, Saudi Arabia has bought some stuff including artillery pieces, Thailand is buying even more VT-4 MBTs. So there is a market for Chinese export it just isn't anywhere near s big as Russia's.

>>35070012

Why is the USAF still using the B-52? It still works.

>>35070090

Admittedly Chinese engine don't have the greatest reputation but they are getting better all the time.

>>35070188
What kind of ship is this?

Russia will wait until the US dedicates forces against north Korea. Then Russia will make their move

>>35069374
He's posting anime so I'm pretty sure he's still a young boy. Or a young boy living a 30 y/o permavirgin body

>>35070505
One filled with explosives so it goes off even though the missile glances off to the side.

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>>35069652

http://www.nasdaq.com/article/russias-economic-growth-picks-up-to-25-pct-yy-in-q2-20170811-00577

>>35069883

They kinda are. The Dutch understand they aren't a leading nation, and almost their entire military is in some way designed to help fill niches and support by bringing things that even in small amounts extra matter quite a bit.

Their escorts are very good, and four high end escorts is not an enhancement to sniff at. They can bring a couple extra LSDs as well to help with amphibious ops. Speaking of amphibious, their marine corp is very closely integrated with the British Royal Marines, to join up with their larger formations.

They've performed well thus far, they're doing better at being a supporting country in the alliance than many others.

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>>35070485

the B-52 couldn't even be unseated by the B-2

also taking part in an en-mass nuclear strike(against an enemy already weakened by ICBMs) is easier than trying to attack a US carrier group without getting your wontons shot off by an AMRAAM

>>35070616

>implying that means anything when even Zimbabwe can raise their growth

>>35070587
There are two missiles

>>35068577
Wrong this year was the first year in Russia's history that Russia has more professional soldiers than conscripts
>>35069322
Jesus Christ is this what people actually believe
>>35070533
Russia is more concerned about all the Nork refugees that will cross their border
>>35068519
This anti Russian shit is getting ridiculous, whilst you're all circle jerking about muh evil Russia wants to nuke us and invade Europe, Islamic hordes of North Africa and the Middle East has effectively placed a huge army across Europe and won't need to fire a shot as they will ethnically replace the Europeans within 2 generations whilst China's influence and military gets bigger and bigger why aren't you faggots talking about China's strength and presence in Africa and south east Asia ?

>>35071815
>within 2 generations

Well I for one will be long gone so I don't really care.

>>35068519
Very unlikely that it will become anything. NATO forces host war games on their borders all the time with no issue, same with US/SK forces on the North Korean border.

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>>35068519
>Is there any possibilities that Russia actually invade/occupy Belarus and Baltics?

Little babby doesn't understand literally anything, does it?

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>>35069322
>Well, Ukraine stalled Russian advance.

Haha, oh my fuck.

This is what retards actually believe..

>>35068519
>invade/occupy Belarus

Who cares. Its as shit as russia

>>35069203
>Russia actually has better logistics than whole european NATO part

even vatnik know no one believe even 'tards. vatnik sad.

>>35071815
gay vatnik no friendos

>>35072068
>retards
No it's what the mass media believes and that's what's the truth that history will remember.

>>35073253
>even vatnik know no one believe even 'tards. vatnik sad.
Do you even speak English?

>>35070485
god the 2 seat j-10 looks ugly, like Lexi Belle in 2017

>>35069203
>Better logistics than NATO


Nigga, russian military still use break bulk cargo for most shipments.

>>35068644
>>What is VDV
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Airborne_Troops

is google so hard?

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>>35068519
>occupy Belarus

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>>35070093
>IMPLYING it won't be a repeat

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>>35070093

>>35075779
goddamn it i had to look behind me real fast

I WOULD MURDER BABIES IF RUSSIA GAVE ME THE ORDER

RAPE THE WONDER-WOMAN

>>35068519
they will fuck you in the ass raw
russians are cumming
>neeeeigh neeeigh
that will be you

>>35069196
You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. The Russians are able to move huge formations and lots of equipment over a long distance very fast, much more frequently and rapidly than NATO. The Russians routinely train in large-scale combined arms, i.e. incorporating supporting artillery and air power with maneuver operations, something NATO stopped doing after Reforger. The simple fact of the matter is that the Russians are prepared to fight and win a general war in Europe, and NATO isn't.

>>35068519
God, this thread is quintessence of nu-/k/.

How does it all came to this?

>>35078030
We let all the retards from /pol/ pull up a chair and kick their feet up on the coffee table, and they invited their plebbitor friends in to come play too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OV6b-aaHBH8

>>35068519
>invade/occupy Belarus
RUSSIA AND BELURUS HAVE BEEN ALLIES SINCE 2000 THEY'RE IN AN ECONOMIC UNION AND BOTH ARE IN THE CSTO REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Our ships will plow trough belarus if that happens

>>35068519
>Belarus
nah, Belorussia is effectively a Russian satellite at this point.
>Baltics
not if they don't want WWIII

still, that's a fuckin sweet landing craft

>>35068519
we will hold our sides with laughter just like we did when the admiral kuznetzov was deployed.

>>35075675
Is this your first day here?

>>35069575
>>35069588
not providing enough money to fund equipment =/= poor logistics. The ammunition either exists or can be made, and continental European road/rail networks are generally either good or very high quality. Even transatlantic shipping is far safer than in 1990 owing to the degraded state of Russian submarines vs the relatively high maintenance of NATO forces and the GUIK gap. The Problem is the Dutch and the Germans keep electing governments that expect far more out of their army than their funding can provide, because military funding hasn't been considered an important issue in those countries for many years (which is fucking stupid imo), so this sort of thing happens.

>>35077421
>Russians are prepared to fight
yes
>and win a general war in Europe
Hell no

>>35068519
That's a bad ass hover craft

>>35068519
I live in Latvia.
What do?

>>35068519
I seriously think there will be war. Far too many whispers all suggesting the same thing. Russia is planning something big.

I think we should just invade Russia asap.

>>35068519
>my helmets itchy
>this hovercraft is loud
>i wish i was playing cs
>sand is tricky to walk on

The brutal Russian regime must be held accountable for these exercises which are both immoral and against the principles and spirit of international law.