suppressors at ranges

>>35061479
usually its insurance reasons

>>35061511
Insurance reasons? I don't follow.
What could go wrong?

>>35061539
Suppressors have a reputation of overheating (sometimes to the point of failure).

If the suppressor is improperly mounted, I suppose it could send the bullet astray.

>>35061539
liability insurance wont pay for a lawsuit if the range willingly lets illegal activity happen on premise.

>>35061628
Never thought of that, thanks for the info.

>>35061635
>illegal activity
Like what, someone slapping on an oil or fuel filter to the end of the barrel?

>>35061635
They don't check if the gun's not stolen

Ranges are scared ATF is gonna come and give em shit for not ratting on people with illegal shit.

>>35061666
Are you implying that it is legal to just slap an oil filter to the end of the barrel?

>Like what, someone slapping on an oil or fuel filter to the end of the barrel?

I think they're more worried about someone bringing in an illegal (stolen or something) suppressor, getting hurt, then when the bolice come, the shop gets fucked for allowing illegal suppressors.

The whole situation should be a nonissue and silencers should be unregulated.

>>35061717
Are you retarded?

>>35061479
Probably insurance or other legal matters. That being said, people get easily fucking freaked out by suppressors, and gun store employees are easily some of the most easily spooked and paranoid fuckers on the planet.

If it bothers you that much, honestly find a new range. I quit hitting my own range after they vehemently argued with me that body armor was LEO-only and was absolutely not for civilians, ever. I told them to go fuck themselves, and found a new place to shoot.

>>35062212
>wearing body armor at a range

>>35062273
That is the place you are most likely to get shot.

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>>35062273
Never know mange

Also didn't one of the dudes from InRange almost die from a ricochet that got close to his heart?

>>35062306
story on the webm?

>>35062273
I wasn't wearing it, but they had some pretty nice shit for sale. I got fitted and it felt good, and when I went to pay they asked me if I was an LEO. I said no, because I didn't think that'd make any difference, and the chick behind the counter straight flipped shit.

Spent the better part of 10 minutes bitching about how I was trying to get them to commit a felony, wasting their time, and that they should call the cops on me because I was certainly going to go shoot someone up with IIA armor.

Thanks but no thanks, I'm really not trying to hang around people who are that ignorant in their chosen profession.

>>35062331
Was this before the internet? They could just do a quick fucking google and made a sale.

>>35062306
What the fuck is going on, it looked like she was trying to off herself at first...

>>35062348
This was literally 8 months ago, my dude. I'm still mad as hell.

>>35062328
title I guess

>>35062362
christ! my sympathies. Glad I grabbed a cheap set from Spartan for larping funz. I would have lost my shit.

>>35061479
You're lucky. There was a rather infamous incident around here (NorCal) in which an RSO threw a guy off his range for having an AK pistol, which the RSO believed to be an SBR for which the guy didn't have an NFA tax stamp. The guy wrote a complaint email to the range, and the range responded by reporting the guy to the California DOJ "to clarify the issue" (keep in mind that Califoirnia requires its own separate state paperwork for SBRs, which is even harder and more expensive to get than the ATF's). A lot of people around here crossed that range, and its associated gun shop, off their list for that. Ironically, it means that now only noobs and idiots go there to shoot, which makes the RSO's job even harder.

>>35062355
that was exactly her intentions

>>35062413
I was fuckin livid. It would've been absolutely fine if they'd just said, "Oh, we don't sell armor to non-LEO's because it's a store policy." As retarded as that is, that's their choice, and I can respect that. This bitch tried to argue with me about how it's straight ILLEGAL for non-LEO's to own body armor. Any kind. Soft, hard, whatever. It's a demonstrably false statement, and she absolutely refused to look it up on her smart phone. Just fucking infuriating, man. So I went online and bought my own soft plate for cheaper, funny how that fucking works out.

>>35062328
>>35062355
i can't find the article but it looks like it was a range in nj and the shooter was a male who went with his brother.
he didn't intend to hit his brother and the brother was not actually hit.

i'll post the article if i can find it.

>>35061628
>Suppressors have a reputation of overheating (sometimes to the point of failure).
No they don't

>If the suppressor is improperly mounted, I suppose it could send the bullet astray.
Hardly

>>35061479
I've taken few of mine a few times to an indoor range,mostly just to sight shit in. No said a word about it but I always keep a copy of the stamp just in case.

>>35062306
>>35062328
>>35062366
>>35062667
http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/14-Year-Old-Shot-at-Gun-Range-in-Deerfield-Beach-431596313.html

>>35062442
what range is that?

>>35062616
Women dont like to be proven wrong. They will kill their own children if need be.

>>35061628
>Suppressors have a reputation of overheating (sometimes to the point of failure).
You literally have to run a machine gun through them for that to happen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BczhT1ByrXA

>>35062331
>I'm really not trying to hang around people who are that ignorant in their chosen profession.
Old fart my LGS hires as a gunsmith wasn't familiar with the term "appendix carry."
He makes holsters for the store.

>>35061479
They have no legal right to check your stamp. Not even local pd. The o ly people you must show your stamp to are ATF or treasury agents.

My local range sells silencers, they have never asked to see my stamps for anything, (i have silencers, sbr, and sbs), nor would i show them.

I have never ever had any authority or RSO ask to check my stamps while at the range.
People have asked to see them out of curiosity. I keep a photo copy in ny ranfe bag, abd did a presentation for my local gun club introduce people to the process.

The ATF has visited me 1 time to check my books whn i has my ffl. That was the only time i have had to show my stamps to any one that mattered.

It's their range. If they want to see your stamp as a condition to use their facility then comply.

It's stupid but it's their choice

>>35062884
truth.

>>35062972
Sure they have a legal right to check your stamps. Their range, their rules.

>>35063066
Let ne rephrase that.

You have no legal obligation to show your stamp to anyone but the atf.

>>35062331
Did you post about that here before? I think I remember this story. It made me mad then and it still makes me mad now.

>>35063066
No, they have the right to tell you to leave their property, but they can't make you show them your stamps.

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>>35062996

Hurr durrr mah private business

Fuck you, faggot.

>>35062891
this is cool and all but jesus what a waste that gun has to be fucked

>>35063635
There's a reason they're designed with quick change barrels.

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>>35063545
Isn't that true though?
I agree being that picky is lame, but I could imagine it's totally legal to do.

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>>35063653

>>35063679
>>35063277
Sure you have no LEGAL obligation to show your stamps but since its their range if you don't show them your stamps you can't use their range

They aren't actually forcing you to do anything, but if you want to use their shit, its their rules

>>35063709
Well of course I figured you could always opt-out.
So I have always wondered. What are the prerequisites for suppressor ownership?

>>35063545
It's true enough. Just inform them they're a dick and that you'll not be back.

>>35062842
Guns, Fishing, and Other Stuff. I can't remember whether it was the location in Vacaville or the one in Dublin.

>>35063750
Suppressor ownership is really simple but a huge pain in the ass

Its simple, buy a suppressor at a store, get an NFA stamp tax for the item, pay 200 dollars for said tax

>and then wait 12+ months for it to get done because the ATF is so backed up and too busy shooting dogs to get this shit out on time.

At least getting an SBR stamp tax is relatively quick

>>35063769
What's the average cost by the end of all stamp tax rigmarole?

>>35063804
depends on the silencer. But take what ever it is and add 200 dollars plus your time waiting for it

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>>35063814
Huh. I thought it'b be a lot more certification courses and other training junk.
I guess it'd not be so bad for me I am a pretty patient person. Then again I do like the idea of everything working in a timely manner rather than at the speed of a snail.

>>35063840
No its a bunch of arbitration and bullshit

lol i go there all the time. nothin like shooting for a bit and then grabbing a burger and a beer at tucker dukes.

>>35063854
...and to think that all of this complication is slowing me down from making less noise at my local indoor gun range. Which, is one of the few benefits I can already see.

>>35063879
meant for >>35062834

and the range in the webm isnt gun world

>>35063249
Oh yeah, I shitposted about it to /k/ for ages, I was an autistic fucking wreck for a good month about it. Like, who the fuck even believes that? The most insulting bit was that a friend of mine, who was a cop, was like, "Oh yeah, civvies cant own armor because of the Hollywood Shootout." I showed him the exact fucking statutes that actually specifically allow us to do so and he got fucking pissed as shit.

I have literally no idea how the "civilians cant own body armor" meme started. Its even more retarded then "class 3 license" memes.

>>35061717
In North Dakota you can. So long as you register it under a trust, corporation, or your name.

>>35062331
>IIA
>ever
>not wearing level IV plate armor over your entire body always

If you're at a public range do you have to show anyone any paperwork or anything? aside from a cop ect

>>35064840
No.

If you're on private property they can ask you for whatever they want and kick you off if you do not provide.

If you're on public land a LEO can't ask you for anything unless he has probable cause that you are or have committed a crime.

>>35062616
What state do you live in

>protip it matters

>>35062972
>what is a "policy"
>what is a business entity that operates within the bounds of Federal, State, and Local legislation and it's own "policy"
>what is you being on private property

Hurr durr

>>35063653
I guess that makes sense, if I'm not mistaken that's the gun they put on the front of SWCC boats, I could imagine situations when they'd need to do that

>>35062703
>Hardly
There you go, if there is any chance of it happening. They are going to do all they can to combat it.
Have you ever wondered why some places get really anal about safety? Lawsuits.

>>35065078
If anon bought armor online then he clearly doesn't live in a cucked state that has some gay ass regulations.>>35065078

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>>35061717
It's a solvent trap desu

>>35063884
>>35063840
>training courses etc
Lolno. The entire purpose of the NFA was to make it so mobsters could be hit with 10 year sentences even when they couldn't prove that they had committed any real crimes. The original draft of the law required a tax stamp for handguns too.
Bear in mind that $200 was more than the average man made in a month at the time. The law was set up solely to make it unfeasible for anyone to own a suppressor, SBR, or SBS legally unless they were rich.

>>35065151
See >>35062891

If you're gonna blow up a can, they'll probably be more worried about you running a few hundred rounds through your belt fed on a range with other people than than the can.

>>35065195
i think you could get a car for #200

>>35063679

Fuck off. I'm the guy you're replying to. If we could do mah private business as an excuse then there wouldn't be any niggers at the range either. This mentality is bullshit.

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>>35062306
>Also didn't one of the dudes from InRange almost die from a ricochet that got close to his heart?
lol fuckin wut m8? Ian was shooting some old milsurp and had an out of battery detonation. They didn't specify exactly what the extent of the injury was, but it sounded like a bad flesh wound. It was in the right/center of his chest. There was no mention of near death or any penetration into his body.

>>35065279
What the fug. Did Ian get shot while he was doing some Indiana Jones shit?

>>35065293
How can you type but not read

>>35062212I
>I told them to go fuck themselves

Ooh, edgy.

>>35065278
>If we could do mah private business as an excuse then there wouldn't be any niggers at the range either.

That's exactly what you used to be able to do before some overreaching civil rights laws were passed. Not that I agree with doing so, and people are totally free to boycott you for being a retard, but you should totally have the right to refuse service to anyone at any time for any reason, at least if you run a private business.

>This mentality is bullshit.

No, this mentality is that private property rights are important. If it's your business, you should get to decide who to serve with it.

Demanding people show you their cuckstamps before you let them use their NFA shit on your range is stupid, but it's 100% their right to do so.

Ha my local range has signs everywhere saying "Suppressors are welcome/legal" feels good to live in Ohio.

>>35066438
Can you show me these rights and prove they exist ?

>>35065078
Maryland. For all the cucking that we've undergone, for all the bullshit that we've put up with, the only restriction on body armor is that A) You cannot commit a felony with it on, and B) Felons cannot own body armor. Surprise surprise, I was not going to commit a felony with a IIA vest, and I'm not a fucking felon because I own roughly 20 fucking firearms.

>>35061479
Neat

>>35062328
This was in Russia. Guy went to range, range employee was showing the guy how to shoot and the guy shot himself, and the bullet went through him and hit the employee. The giy died but idk what happened to the worker. Cant find the article.

>>35061479
maybe the ranges just like their doggos non-perforated

>>35062884
best post.

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My local gun store lets you rent suppressors for $10. Today was free machine gun rental for labor day. pic related

>>35065278
Race, religion, and sexuality tend to get protected under anti-discrimination laws.

>>35065198
>implying some tard won't bring in a MG and try to melt his suppressor.
>implying people will do their research and instead outright ban because easier.
once again, if there is even the slightest chance of it happening. People will set rules to prevent it from happening
Lawsuits are an absolute nightmare to a business because it only takes 1 to fuck up everything

>>35070061
Where is this wonderland?!

>>35062703
>>>If the suppressor is improperly mounted, I suppose it could send the bullet astray.
>Hardly

full retard, had a suppressor putting bullets out end 45 degrees into the ground

I bought a silencer recently and the place I bought it has an indoor range I can use it at in the meantime waiting to take it home. It sucks using it there. Huge let down. I shoot at home, and if the only place I could use a silencer was at an indoor range or any range for that matter I wouldn't even bother owning one, he'll just owning guns wouldn't be nearly as fun.
I feel for you bros who only shoot at ranges.

>>35061479
I would be looking for a new range.

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>>35063769
F1s are taking forever as well

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>>35065190

Solvent Trap Master Race reporting in.

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>>35072494

I am not giving the Obama Hussein yid jew kikes at the BATFE $200 dollars for the privilege of them taking 12 fucking months to possibly maybe accept my second amendment rights.

Solvent fucking traps. SOLVENT FUCKING TRAPS!
Sig fucking brace!
FUCK THE BATFE!

You Jews allow Tim Cook of Apple to human traffic 250 illegal alien criminals, but I have to pay you fucking goon niggers $200 and wait 12 months for you to clear me, a U.S. citizen, an Iraq war combat veteran with still active Top Secret security clearance and a 15 year concealed carry permit?

Its a fucking tube of metal you stupid faggot nigger kike trap dickgirl hassidic heeb mother fuckers!

I can legally machine my own rifle and ammunition in my home without any "permission, but attack a fucking TUBE to reduce the sound and I have to beg you, pay you $200, and all you do is check a Yes/no box after a year of waiting?

I want to rape your god damned corpses and chew your remains up and pack your yiddish fat into my lip like a god damned hassidic Fresh Copenhagen jew dip lipper

FUCK THIS NOISE!
SOLVENT TRAP SOLVENT TRAP SOLVENT TRAP!
I AM SPARTACUS!

Sorry, I really hate those bastards.

Run a facility.

Some ranges are owned by shitty stupid people. There's not much more to it than that.

>/k/ pretty universally agrees that people are fucking stupid and ranges are bullshit

Colour me surprised.

>>35072639
Seriously fuck off

>>35072639
teh fuck?

>>35062306
>Also didn't one of the dudes from InRange almost die from a ricochet that got close to his heart?
I took a piece of 5.56 jacket like a half inch from my brachial artery.

>>35061479
>telling me that they want to see the tax stamp as well as to double check the serial numbers and make sure its registered to you.
So go somewhere else. Even local police can't ask to see your form 4. Only the ATF can.

>>35062884
This guy ^^ is obviously married

>>35061940
sauce?

>>35072639
Why don't you tell us how you really feel??

Real talk. If you show up at my range with an SBR and I say "cool rifle, you got a tax stamp for that?" and your response is "what's a tax stamp?" I'm going to kick your ass off my property and tell you to never bring your six-pound felony into my sight again. I'm not going to have that bullshit occurring anywhere near me if I have any say in it whatsoever. Be a dipshit somewhere else and ruin somebody else's day. Nobody is going to get hauled off of my range by an ATF agent and ruin my business if I can prevent it from happening.

>>35074794
Watch out dudes we've got a tuff guy over here. You wouldnt do shit anon, you wouldn't even ask.

>>35074909
Are you high? If I run a bar, I'm gonna ask to see your license. If I run a range and allow Title II firearms, I'm going to ask to see your stamp. I am not going to be the guy who loses all his business for two weeks to a month because nobody wants to shoot at the range where some guy got hauled off for ten years by the ATF because he didn't have a stamp.

This isn't being a "tough guy". This is doing the bare fucking minimum to keep bullshit from happening on your property.

>>35061479
RO's are not even passable for the service industry. I should know.

>>35074973
Nothing about the gun service industry relates to any other part of the service industry. THe moment you involve guns in retail, literally all common knowledge and good business practice flies out the fucking door. It's bizarre.

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>>35062355
>she

>>35074980
Service is not exclusively to retail numbnuts. My first job was being a waiter before a store clerk and that did not blemish over my quality of work. Mostly if they are not working there the ranges themselves only hire people that technically have "power" over prestige of an existing job or force interim volunteer service pior their membership. The real fuckups that don't even care about firearms in general or the people that want to learn more about them are always the pencil pushers and number crunchers in which are allowed to work at those locations.

>>35063244
Any they have no legal obligation to let you into their range.

>>35076382
This