Why hasnt someone started making SVD's for the civi market?

>>35057383

because you can get a .308 AR that shoots better

People are willing to pay well for a genuine SVD but not for a shitty semi auto rifle when there are a lot of better options on the market.

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>>35057383
Kalashnikov does make one for civilian market, it's called 'Tigr': https://kalashnikov.com/product/firearms/civilian/tiger-05.html You can buy one here for $1000 and I think it's a cheapest option if one wants a 'marksman-ish' hunting rifle.

So call that fucking cheeto you're elected and tell him to lift the sanctions, I really want a decent M16A2 clone once I'm eligible to apply for a permit.

>>35057409
True but im not saying sell a shitty semi rifle for the same price as the genuine thing. I think if you sold a decent SVD for the same price as a decent Ak then they would probably sell pretty well. Because why not add a SVD to your collection if the price is right? Alot of people buy PSL rifles because they are wannabe svd's so I feel like alot of those people would drather pay the same price for something that actually is an svd, even if its not a military surplus rifle.

>>35057420
Hope he does. Till then I guess we can just hope Kalashnikov USA will start producing them ( altho ive heard bad things about their releases so far, so hopes arnt high)

>>35057422
>why not add a SVD to your collection if the price is right?
Because it's not an SVD, it's some cloneshit.

>>35057422
>I think if you sold a decent SVD for the same price as a decent Ak then they would probably sell pretty well.
Yeah, and you'd just never make any actual money and be bankrupt in 6 months.

>>35057420
>Thinks the sanctions affect SVD availability
What's it like being retarded?

>>35057383
Because I haven't gone to college, got a license to manufacture and sell, and made a floated barrel version yet.

>>35057439
People like you really fuck these communities up. Reminds me a lot of FAL owners that are ABSOLUTELY OBSESSED with building a "true" FAL, which for some reason doesn't actually exist anywhere except in their minds.

>>35057402
>>35057409
To quote the greatest autist of our time nutnfancy "second kind of cool"

Yes I have many several rifles that outperform it in ever way. But I played video games in my childhood And I want a fucking SVD shitheads. And no I don't want it domestically produced. The USA can't produce stamped receiver firearms. Lift the import ban that nigger Obama put in already.

>>35057461
>Lift the import ban that nigger Obama put in already.
So wait, you think SVDs were being imported all day long before Obama came into office?

>>35057461
>Lift the import ban that nigger Obama put in already.
Ain't happening after that massive "muh russia" hysteria.

>>35057450
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalashnikov_Concern#Business
>The sanctions affected not only the Concern, but also foreign buyers of its products. Kalashnikov hopes that the sanctions will be lifted and the Concern will be able to return to the US market. Especially since now there are new products that were announced: the balanced automatic carbine Saiga-107, carbine Saiga-9 and self-loading shotgun Saiga-12, which evoked great interest among American consumers.
You tell me.

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>>35057383
Those are pretty expensive mostly because they're hard to get by, people wouldn't pay nearly as much for them if they weren't. And quality ammo is hard to get by.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPc-i87jio8

If you want a special snowflake commie DMR, get a Tabuk Sniper clone. They look nice and are much more affordable.

>>35057473
No, but he made it worse. If you really want to split hair... lift the import ban that inbred cousin fucker Reagan put in place already

>>35057483
So again, you actually think they were being imported prior to Obama?

>>35057439
>MUH MARKS
If it's built in the same specs, if it uses the same operational design, and/or if it uses the same tooling, it's a fucking SVD. If you're gonna go full autismo, you might as well ask a custom laser engraver to put em for you

>>35057490
They're banned by a God damned treaty you stupid piece of shit. 1996 Volutary Restrictive Agreement. The Russians also ban the sale of actual SVDs. That's why they have to make the TIGR in the first place you fucking imbecile. Grow the fuck up and read a God damned book.

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>>35057383
We can get these in germanistan, but they are overpriced af

>>35057487
B-but what if I want an Al Kadesiah instead?

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>>35057383
Civilian VSS when?

>>35057508
http://www.slaggamfg.com/vintorez-project/
Soon, anon, soon

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>>35057383
>So why hasnt someone made a copy of it for the civilian market yet?

Move to europe? LOL.

But seriously, the SVD is subpar by modern standards for a DMR. And it's quite expensive to buy, even the civilian versions available.

>>35057519
lol vaporware

>>35057503
NO GERMANY
you don't OWN cat B weapon in glorious German Euroreich muslim licker land...
YOu have a 5yr right to detain said weapons... and if you don't redo the paper work each 5yr bye bye svd...

I as a frog almost bought a real russian surlus svd with a weldded mag and a capacity limited to 2+1rnd for 1,5k but it was classified as cat C weapon so I could have kept it without a permit till death do us part... did'nt paid that kind of dosh for a castrated rifle.


oh and thanks for lobbying the EU with gungrabbing agenda schlampe, enjoy muzlim diversity as we enjoy it since the 80ies bye

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>>35057491
I don't know as I (unfortunately) didn't give a fuck about firearms market (especially the one on the other continent) but I assume that the only thing that prevents Kalashnikov from importing them into the US is the sanctions put by US.

>>35057508
Soon... well, ish. Pricrelated. There were plans and Molot Armz even shown a prototypes last year saying it will be available Q2 2017 but I haven't heard anything since then (that's actually okay for a Russian market, doesn't mean they ditched the idea, probably they're just busy with the state order). The suppressor will be fake btw, due to Russian laws.

>>35057557
>I don't know
That's because you're an idiot and probably 19.

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>>35057567
So please enlighten me, o Elder, what's preventing Kalashnikov from exporting SVDs into US, apart from sanctions that were put by US themselves?

>>35057432
You realize K-USA has absolutely zero relation to Kalashnikov Concern, right? They just took the name after KC was sanctioned. KC has stated before that if/when the sanctions are lifted they will pursue legal action against K-USA.

>>35057584
Russia.

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>>35057700
Do you mind providing a credible source to back up your claim?

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>>35057508
:^)

>>35057584
See >>35057501, it was a mutual agreement between the US and Russia that prevented some a Russian firearms from being imported into the US. Same reason why we don't see Tokarevs, Makarovs, and SVT40s being imported from Russia anymore. It wasn't the AWB that fully banned them but a voluntary trade agreement that restricted them being imported

>>35057503

Fuck Germany. The least you fucks could've done is let other people like the Czechs and the Swiss have fun with their guns. I hope Merkel fucks you over good.

>>35057508

A loooooooot of dogs are gonna get shot when that becomes available in the US

>>35057745

>>35057501
>1996 Volutary Restrictive Agreement

>>35057782
It wasn´t the decision of german gun owners, I despise germany and the EU for that new directive, even though nothing changes for us germcucks.Czechs are already fighting that bullshit.

>>35057525
Hot off the press SVD's in russia have free floated handguards, heavier profile barrels, newer scopes than the old PSO-1 garbage and collapsible stocks

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>>35057774
Well, Google is failing me on that one (I wonder if US is banned from exporting something to Russia too) but my point still stands - demand Trump to repeal that shit. We didn't spent a fortune to put him into WH for you (the poor prostitutes are still recovering btw) to still live under those dump restrictions.

Back in Soviet days people here believed that any american can write to his representative in Congress and demand him to take a certain stance on some issue. Whatever happened to that? Or was the Party right all along and you're guys are indeed are powerless workers who are exploited by the elites?

>>35057825
I mean I can write to this chucklefuck but he represents like 10 million other people who can do the same thing and is financed by the jews so really the party is like 25% right. Individually my letter wouldn't mean shit but if I got like a thousand people to write the same letter it might catch his notice

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Cruz

But he still won't do anything not approved by the jews who finance him

So America basically has our own one party state going we call the deep state, and its, similar to yours, almost exclusively Jewish at the upper echelons

>>35057541
no u

>>35057825
the Party was right.

>>35057501

>Sucking the ghost of Reagan's dick this hard

>>35057383
more importantly, why hasnt someone made a civilian version of the VSS Vintorez?

>>35057461
half of what you said shows how fucking stupid and underage you are.
>quoting nutn
>its a milled receiver
>everything is fucking Reagan's fault, with shared accountability on the Clintons, moron. Obamer didnt do much of anything except require less shit background checking.
>the ban you are talking about was a consequence of Russian aggression in Ukraine, and was just expanded by Drumpf's administration
have a thing that not covered in NRA or FOX sensationalism
thoughtco.com/obama-gun-laws-passed-by-congress-3367595

>>35058965
Molot had a teaser video for their line of VSS/VAL civilian rifles. They had it in both 7.62x39 as well as the normal 9x39. When or if they'll ever hit the market is up to god.

>>35059113
aren't they also making them in that weird rifle/shotgun hybrid caliber?

>>35059113
>>35059139
They aren't making anything anymore. They went bankrupt.

>>35057383
>keep it original...make it in 54r!
OK. A few people would buy it but not many because 54r is a dying caliber since 54r ammo imports stopped.
>make it in .308 so we can buy cheap ammo!
OK. A few people buy it, but the purists won't because it's not 54r.

It's a lose lose situation.

>>35057402
What if I showed you a sub moa svd?

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>>35057383
>which is obvious by the fact people are willing to pay more for it than im willing to pay for a car

Most aren't. There are around 100 legit SVD in the US, so you're bound to get a seller when one becomes available, a seller that is interested in a rare collectible and willing to pay a shit ton money for one.
Make the rifles readily available and US made (worthless from a collector's standpoint), and you're bound to run out of people willing to spend $10k real quick. Shit, even the Tigr rifles which are produced in the same plant with marginal differences end up costing way less simply because they're not "true" SVDs.

>So why hasnt someone made a copy of it for the civilian market yet?

Not even the overwhelming majority of Warsaw Pact members bothered to set up SVD production, they just got theirs imported from Russia. It just wasn't worth the expenses at all.
As far as the civilian market is concerned, setting up production would cost more than you could possibly hope to make back, even in the US.

t. actual SVD owner

>>35060418
>seller

Meant buyer, obviously.

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>>35057461
>stamped receiver
>SVD

wew

>>35057402
by that logic, why would anyone buy a gun they want when another gun shoots better than it

>>35057420
Quit being so foreign.

>>35057383
to make a new production SVD would make it so expensive that it wouldn't even be worth it. No one is going to pay $5000 for a clone when you can get pre-VRA banned Tigrs for less.

The only way the costs would go down is if someone was able to eat engineering costs and tooling costs.
>>35057432
KC USA won't ever make any, there're just another US ak manufacturer like DDI or IO
>>35057461
>SVD
>Stamped
>>35057519
these guys have ONE FUCKING MILL and ONE FUCKING MACHINIST.
They are making the rifle around an AR-15 that basically just looks like a VSS. They are going to be expensive as hell lookalikes and that's about it.
>>35057557
>>35059113
>>35059220
the "Molot VSS" riles are being produced by a company that stole the Molot name, it's not the real molot, rather, it's a company that specialized in converting surplus 7.62x39 rifles into a shotgun round, .366 TKM
>>35057420
>>35057584
>>35057745
>>35057825
http://tcc.export.gov/Trade_Agreements/All_Trade_Agreements/exp_005371.asp

>>35060371
Then I'd show you a centaur that is half David Hasselhoff and half unicorn.

>>35060418
>As far as the civilian market is concerned, setting up production would cost more than you could possibly hope to make back, even in the US.
But muh CNC makes anything for mega cheap!

>>35057420
I'm gonna get a svd daki and then cry that I will never have my raifu unless I become successful

>>35060775
https://youtu.be/KiqfgAFHikg?t=29m
Can rewind for intro cheers

>>35060775
Also the design requirement for SVD has always been roughly 1 moa. With high quality ammunition sub is, normal

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>>35057383
Dream gun

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>>35061841
Dream indeed.

>>35061903
>all those tabs
>all those anime trash drawlings
I like it

>>35061824
According to all the fanboys who learned everything they know about the gun from CoD, sure...
There wasn't a (mass-produced) semi-auto that could achieve sub-moa accuracy until the HK PSG showed up over 25 years later.

>>35061739
Surely nobody has ever lied in a youtube video before.

>>35057383
The only reason people are willing to pay that much is because of their inherent collector's value due to a combination of its interesting history, its amazing aesthetics and its rarity.

Two out of three of those elements are lost in a copy.

>>35057420
>you're elected
I'm elected?

>>35061971
People have been shooting sub with .308 NDM for ages faggot

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>>35061971
I made that video and you can watch me shoot sub MOA with it without a problem, in fact, if you weren't mentally handicapped maybe you would have noticed that in the video I included the acceptance letter that the SVD came with, at the factory, shot sub MOA before passing QC.

The SVD is a 1 MOA gun, some shoot a littler larger some shoot under, but it's not hard to attain under 1MOA with a good barrel. Everyone who's done the Lothar Wather re-barrels on their Tigrs for Tigr to SVD-63 conversions have all attained sub MOA with the new barrels

>>35062055
>since ages
The PSG has been around since the 85

>>35063603
>he SVD is a 1 MOA gun

That was when 7n1 was current issue, so the info is out of date, 7n14 is the issued ammunition for the SVD currently, which is not made with match quality in mind, they are 4-6MOA rifles.

>>35064117
>ammunition determines if a rifle shoots MOA or not
So If I shoot WOLF 308 out of my AR-10, and my grouping increases 2MOA, then my AR-10 is now a 2MOA rifle?

Oh wait no
that's not how this works

that's now how any of this works

>>35063603
>Thinks swapping the barrel on a Tigr makes it an SVD

Get out you heretic...

>>35063603
By that logic, a Volkswagen Golf sub-10 sec car because if you put in a 6 litre W12, it can do the quarter mile in less than 10 seconds.

>>35057487
>quality ammo is hard to get by.

I have two boxes of Hornady 54r XTP that I bought for a fucking Mosin. Come on.

>>35061841
>I don't need an american scope

FUck me I wonder what could be done with a more modern scope and an RS Regulate mount.

>>35064195

Well, the Actual SVD's in service don't shoot 1moa, and haven't for over a decade, they shoot 4-6 with the ammo designed for them and issued to them to this day.

>>35064262
Are you fucking retarded?

>>35057402
Yes, but there's not an AR in 9.3x64 Brenneke.

And there's only the one in .300 winmag, and there's also an SVD.
It could have a fighting chance for both of those markets.

And there's also no AR-10 in x54r.
So fuck off.
>>35057420
Go back to you European shithole you fucking dick.
QUIT FUCKING REMINDING US WHAT WE CAN'T HAVE!
>>35060936
As an MTT student, FUCK NO.
You still need forgings and those are NOT cheap unless done in huge batches, which cost shitloads.

CNC is excellent at finishing forgings on the cheap, or making whole parts for prototyping, but as a factory device there really isn't any economical solution to the production of US SVDs without a large front-end investment that you may or may not get back.

I know that most of /k/, myself included, would give their left nut for those to happen but until the gun culture expands and we have another boom, or small boutique arms companies that make oddly specific reproductions pop up, we're fucked because money.
>>35063603
Most people don't realize that Mosins, SVTs, etc. are more accurate than they tend to exhibit themselves as because the cheap ammo most people feed them is MG ammo that's slightly undersized and made cheaper than usual to account for being used in FYS mode on LMGs.

Thus it's less consistent, less in spec to begin with, and overall less accurate.
Given hand loading I believe that, mechanically speaking, an SVD could easily match an AR-10.
Not an ultra custom super match bathed in holy water one, but an AR-10 from a local Cabelas, or maybe even the slightly more expensive one from your LGS.
>>35064117
You sir, are a first rate fucktard.

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>>35061841
>SVD, I....

>>35064262
You should probably consider suicide for even thinking to type this

>>35064262
Car comparisons to gun comparisons are literally the shittiest comparisons on the planet

if that's the case then I guess we shouldn't set standards to ANY sub MOA rifle because they can't shoot sub MOA without match ammunition

>>35064209
the military designation is Cнaйпepcкaя Bинтoвкa cиcтeмы Дpaгyнoвa oбpaзцa 1963 гoдa

or simply "Sniper Rifle System of Dragunov, Model of the Year 1963"

Designated as SVD-63

The Tigr is an SVD design, it is in fact a "Sniper Rifle System of Dragunov" as it is the Dragunov design, in fact, the tigrs were even made on the same tooling as the military models with the exception of the sporter features.

To say that the Tigr is not an SVD is like saying a Saiga is not an AK

Just like the saiga can be converted into military configuration, so can the Tigr.

>>35064387
this isn't true at all

in fact, the requirements during the production of 7N14 was to create a sniper round that was both very accurate and armor piercing to replace the 7N1
The 188 plant (Novosibirsk) produced this round with a new core of pointed form made of U12A carbon steel, maintaining a 152 grn projectile that is still as accurate as the 7N1.

>>35064433
>As an MTT student...
I was being sarcastic. It should be obvious the the use of 'muh'.

>>35061903
Is it weird that the monster trucks caught me off guard more than the mexican shit?

>>35064666
if that's the case then I guess we shouldn't set standards to ANY sub MOA rifle because they can't shoot sub MOA without match ammunition.
That's like saying you shouldn't set lap times because you can't drive without gasoline.

Replacing a barrel is a major fucking component and you can't claim that rifle X has Y accuracy simply because it has so with an aftermarket barrel. You literally replaced the single most defining part. You can get any firearm sub-moa if you replace enough parts.

Just like you can get any car to drive fast if you replace enough parts.

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>>35057383
I want to believe but 54r is already a stagnant round due to civilian limitations and military advancements. Anything good that has come from the ammo is only in surplus packs of the rarest ammo to be seen. The mis-spec modern production of both bullets and powder for the rifle and twist. The rifle to be modern competitive in this age in just its role alone would have to be in .300wsm for it's case length to fit in the chamber with a stronger spring and bolt, but otherwise it will already be surpassed by the competition due to the inherent accuracy flaws of the AK design (if made by light/thin rifle barrel). These rifles are sadly going to be as they are unless somebody actually makes them better than just a collectable.

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>somehow cowadooty kids think SVD is accurate, sub-MOA unobtanium
>FAL is regarded as an inaccurate 2-4 MOA slug thrower
>both are gas op w/short stroke piston
>SVD is arguably built with shittier tolerances
>muh sub-MOA

?????

>>35061841
>implying that Enemy at the Gates is a good WWII sniping movie

>>35065765
How about you compare the way these lock up, you dumb mexican nigger?

>>35066235
If we're going to compare things that don't turn a 2-4 MOA rifle into a sub-moa one, I have to say the wood finish on the Dragunov beats the both the FAL's old wood stock and polymer one.

>>35060594
>these guys have ONE FUCKING MILL and ONE FUCKING MACHINIST.
If the had a decent engineer that knew prototyping and had some experience in firearms that wouldn't matter

>They are making the rifle around an AR-15 that basically just looks like a VSS.
Oh so they're just shitting on a plate and calling it filet mignon.

>>35066760
You can't make a commercial gun and keep with with demand if you make every part on a single cnc machine with one guy running it. You'd just have one off rifles that are very, very , expensive

>>35065765
Maybe if you were not a fucking retand you would have read the thread and realized you are wrong since we have proof the SVD is sub moa in nature.

Or maybe you're just retarded because the FAL tilting bolt is NOT a better lockup system than the multi lug locking system of the SVD

also the Fal shitty heavy trigger is NOT better than the two stage match grade trigger on the SVD

The FAL doesn't even have a built in way to use optics. The FAL was designed as a battle rifle, the SVD was designed from the ground up by an Olympic rifle designer to create an accurate but reliable sniper system (Soviet military doctrine of sniping would be more similar to DMR role of western military doctrine. )

Or wait, I think you're just a retard who gets all his knowledge for COD and doesn't actually know the fine points of each rifle.

>>35065186
>People replace a part to convert a sporterized rifle into military config
>The rifles go from 1MOA-1.5MOA rifles in sporting config to sub MOA rifles in military config
It's like you are so mentally retarded tou didn't even understand what he was trying to say.

>>35064117
>7n14 is the issued ammunition for the SVD currently, which is not made with match quality in mind, they are 4-6MOA rifles

You're out of your fucking mind, 7n14 is just a 7n1 updated with an AP core, they're mostly equivalent in accuracy.
Hell, provided the rifle isn't completely shot out, the SVD isn't a 4-6 MOA rifle even if you use regular surplus light ball MG fodder, provided it's not absolute shit.
The only time mine shot anywhere near that bad was when I fed it some horrible 80's Chink surplus that looked like the lacquer was applied by blind people with Parkinson's and at least one in every mag had a dead primer.

>>35064387
>>35065186
Just.
Stop.
Seriously.

>>35066800
Normally small shops just contract out parts and just assemble them at their factory.

>>35057693
I can see why, that would be like me starting up a company called Skoda-Canada, with zero relation to Skoda in Europe.
They'd sue my ass for using their name without permission.

>>35065709
>inherent accuracy flaws of the AK design
The SVD isn't an AK. Read a book.

>>35067438
Oh shit, he's breaking down because we don't agree that his raifu is perfect. Quick give him an animu pillow so he can comfort himself to sleep.

>>35068852
>oh no, someone realized I'm talking out of my ass about things I know fuck all about, time for damage control!

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>>35060594
>Go back to you European shithole you fucking dick.
>QUIT FUCKING REMINDING US WHAT WE CAN'T HAVE!
OH WELL MAYBE YOU FAGGOTS WILL ALSO STOP REMINDING ME THAT I CAN'T HAVE A FUCKING AR-BASED RIFLE JUST BECAUSE OBONGO DECIDED TO KEEP SITTING ON HIS HIGH HORSE?
What's worse, ARs have disappeared right in front of me, while I was sitting there and couldn't save even one of them with my smoothbore license.

My soul whan I held an AR in my hands for the last time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxM6C0zNmQI
(Someday we'll be together my darling, I promise ;_;. Maybe I'll smuggle you from Finland).

>the "Molot VSS" riles are being produced by a company that stole the Molot name,
I'm really confused about this. I mean, technically you're right but it's located in the same city as VPO factory, practically across the street. Something's off, the Molot wouldn't tolerate their name being stolen so blatantly.

On a side note, I'm actually considering catching a ride there and buying their smoothbore AKMS, since I'm stuck with smoothbores for the next four years anyway.

>it's a company that specialized in converting surplus 7.62x39 rifles into a shotgun round, .366 TKM
Not quite. As far as I know, the .366 TKM was lobbed by VPO Molot in the first place and while Molot-Armz does make some guns for .366 TKM, their barrels are actually completely smooth but have elliptic form and swirled where VPO's "smoothbores" have 12cm of an actual rifling. Here's a link to Molot-Armz's rifled products btw (it's in Russian but I think you'll be able recognize guns): http://molotarms.ru/catalog/nareznoe-oruzhie/

>>35058342
I considered posts like these to be a drivel of some lunatic until I've bothered to look at the ethnicity of a significant portion of Russian elite (and especially oligarchs) and the leaders of Russian revolution. Really made me think.

>>35068968
>Something's off, the Molot wouldn't tolerate their name being stolen so blatantly.
There actually was legal issues over the names
Molot Armz is in no way connected to Molot
http://forum.guns.ru/forummessage/48/1661133.html

>>35068968
>>Smoothbore AKM
What the fuck? That sounds terrible. What is this nonsense, surely you mean the shotgun AKs saiga and the like were doing right?

>>35069368
.366 tkm

>>35069368
In Russia you must have your shot gun licence for 5 years before owning a rifle, so they bore out rifles and create a "shotgun round" using the 7.62x39 case called .366 tkm

That way you can have AKs and SKS before you can get your rifle licence

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>>35069361
Thanks, that's interesting, I didn't know about that. But it seems that they still sell Molot's weapons so probably their dispute has been settled.

>>35069368
>What is this nonsense, surely you mean the shotgun AKs saiga and the like were doing right?
No, that's an actual AKM re-barreled into "smoothbore" .366TKM. Russian laws require you to own a smoothbore weapon for five fucking years in order to be eligible to apply for a permit to purchase a rifled weapon (that entire part of "to be eligible to apply for a permit" sounds dystopian, I know). There's a trick, however - a rifled weapon is a weapon which rifling exceeds 15cm. That allows an rifled attachments for shotguns to exist.

Since we have shitton of Soviet-era AKMs, SKSes and other stuff collecting dust on a warehouses around the country, gun makers decided to go for a quick cash grab and come up with .366TKM round and corresponding barrel. Then they just bought a couple of Kamazes of AKs and rebarreled them with new partially smooth barrel (last 12cm that have actual rifling). If you want a rifle that shots an actual rifle rounds and capable of hitting an object in general direction of your aim on a distance over 50m, it's your only option. I have an 1974 AKM for example. The rifle will costed me around $600 (an actual AKM can be purchased for $350). The ammunition is also comparatively expensive though, right now one FMJ .366 TMK round costs over 50 cents.

Fucking bolsheviks.

>>35066830
>we have proof the SVD is sub moa in nature.

**if you change out the barrel and use tuned ammunition

>>35069501
>I didn't know about that. But it seems that they still sell Molot's weapons so probably their dispute has been settled.

Molot-Oruzhie went bankrupt and their assets were sold off.

>>35069515
Uhh no the video posted had a factory barrel you retard

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>>35069567
They weren't. I was on factory back in May and asked them about it and the story goes something like this: they Molot had a child company "Molot-Oryzhie" that they used to sign some contracts for some reason and that company went bankrupt, not the Molot itself. A weapons factory that's also the city's only huge employer can't really just go bankrupt in Russia, the state would rush in to rescue them no matter what, to save the production lines as well as city's employment level.

That story with Molot, Molot-Oruzhie and Molot-Armz (which is basically Molot-Oruzhie in English) is quite tricky and I have a feeling that corruption has to do something with this but the VPO factory is thankfully fine.

To lighten a mood a little, here's the closest thing to M16 one can get in Russia:
https://kalashnikov.com/product/firearms/hunting-firearms/MR-155K.html
(it's 12 gauge semiautomatic shotgun, yes)

>>35069501
The dispute was never settled because of molot's bancrupcy
>>35069515
>If I keep saying the same thing over and over again maybe people will believe me!
The Svd Is inherently a 1MOA gun. Some shoot a little over some shoot a little under. You can can consistently attain sub MOA with a new barrel but factory it's 1MOA, with some, like bfgmovies, being sub MOA.

The guys re-barreling their tigrs do so to convert them into SVD-63 specs.

But again, he factory barrel shoot 1MOA

>>35069567
>Molot-Oruzhie went bankrupt and their assets were sold off.
Nope, Molot is a package deal, you have to buy all the tools and properties because the company still has government contracts, and the government will expect the new owners to come through on those.

>>35069672
It's been under the control of a bankruptcy firm since 2012. They're basically tits up at this point. Especially now since they can't sell to the US anymore.

>>35069799
While quick googling suggests that you're correct, they seemed fine to me in 2017. All in all, I'm not to worried - if you're gun manufacturer with state contracts you can't go bankrupt (as in close the factory and fire all workers) here. Your owner may change (Kalashnikov Concern was sold twice according to some guy on guns.ru) but as long as the factory is okay and produces those Veprs I don't care that much.

>>35069669
>implying the video is proof of anything
You're a gullible one, aren't you?