H-13 Sioux

Manufacturer didn't want to get Siouxed.

>>35057371
>double keked

>>35057384
>3 keks
>1 in the head
>2 in my sides

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>>35057359
>How come these were never sold to civilians?

Because everyone was buying similar choppers from the french (Aerospatialle Alouette etc) or simply preferred the Loach (OH-6 Cayuse) and further on the little bird.

>>35057371
Why did this take me so long

>>35057417
But then why didn't they catch on?
Why aren't there half a dozen of these parked outside every hospital?
>inb4 'so the adminstrator could afford a new benz'

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The H13 is variant of the Bell 47

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>>35057430
>But then why didn't they catch on?

The similar Alouettes were popular for mountain rescue and medical evac. Light air frame with decent power meant they behaved acceptably in thin mountain air.

Outside of that, I guess people preferred larger helicopters with enclosed cargo space so medics could actually work on patients in flight?

>>35057430
To small for medical use.

They are used industrially. Most remote high voltage lineman work is done with small choppers like the little bird.

You sure don't see too many of 'em around. I guess fuel + maintenance probably kept them from being parked in your driveway.

>>35057371
ha, you know, this might legit be the correct answer. Liability concerns would have probably prevented the manufacturer from selling to the civilian market.

>>35057417
lol, that thing prolly has enough ammo for about 2 seconds.

>>35057534
They should have attached some sort external ammo pod/module

>>35057539
I think its a mock up. Just picturing that birds tail rotor struggling against the recoil as it spins around in circles.

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>>35057539
>They should have attached some sort external ammo pod/module

Ammo is internal, you douche.

>>35057549
>I think its a mock up. Just picturing that birds tail rotor struggling against the recoil as it spins around in circles.

Are you fucking retarded? It's not exactly shooting 30mm here, you dumbass.

>>35057562
Where did you get that laser designator, at a chinese k-mart?

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BRRRRT intensifies.

>>35057590
>Where did you get that laser designator, at a chinese k-mart?

U jelly?

>>35057590
Think its for topo maps

>>35057596
>U jelly?
yesh

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>>35057534
>>35057539
>>35057549

Really? None of you have heard of the AH-6?

Here it is configured with two M134 Miniguns and two GAU-19 .50 cal gatling guns. Just to piss you guys off some more.

It can also be configured with Hellfires, Stingers, Hydra rockets or M230 30mm chain guns (yeah, the thing the Apache has on its nose).

>>35057611
Christ, its like a terrorists wet dream

>>35057611
>Stadium Announcer: "Uh oh, here comes the beer copter!"
>Alluh Ackbar! (BRRRRTT!!)

>>35057596
I think its a PESA.
[spoiler]a PESA-shit[/spoiler]

>>35057643
anon, you can't take away our beercopter. Thats how the terrorist win!

>>35057359
There are literally thousands of Bell 47s flying in civilian hands. FFS spend ten seconds with Wikipedia before you post.

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>>35057359
You're rather impressively wrong, OP.
The bell 47 is one of the most produced rotorcraft of all time, just behind the Mi-8, UH-1 and JetRanger.
This is the equivilent of asking why the Kiowa was never brought to the civilian market

>>35057801
What are those forward-pointing unicorn horn looking things?

>>35057720
I guess what I'm asking is, why aren't there millions?

>>35057806
weather vain

>>35057806
It lets the other jetrangers tell it's a commander type from a distance.
Another key detail is the partial red paintjob for increased speed. I'd be more red, but the pilot's undercover right now

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>>35057863
forgot my file photo

>>35057806
Cable cutters.

>>35057832
>millions

Please, read things. Use search engines.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most-produced_rotorcraft

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>>35057832
There aren't even a million MI-8s, anon.
Helicopters are hard and expensive, not to mention they require highly skilled and well composed quasi-suicidal lunatics to operate them.

>>35057933
>expensive
yeah, but y tho?

you'd think they'd be dirt cheap by now. Especially the little ones.

>>35057611
>Its like wizard of oz with miniguns instead of flying monkeys

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>>35058035
Because people generally don't want to cheap out on their artificial flying carpet that thumbs it's nose at nature through sheer mechanical will.
If something goes wrong, you will very likely get very dead very fast barring successful autorotation.
Helicopters would seem a lot more extraordinary if they weren't as indispensable to modern society, there's nothing earthly about how they operate.

On a similar topic, there's no reason people don't fly around town in gyrocopters other than the populace's aversion to progress and loud, incessant buzzing.
The frivolous desire to carry more cargo then a baguette and three tennis balls is also likely a factor

>>35058144
That and having to carry an IFF transponder while filing a flight plan to commute to work..

>>35057933
safer than equivalent sized airplanes

>>35058144
I wish there something in nature that had some form of rotary motion, like a snake with bone wheels or a bird with twist fins

>>35058195
Fug the FAA, those joykills also get all testy if you want to exercise your 2nd amendment rights by mounting two pre-86 mg-34s on your cessna skymaster

>>35058144
Ooh, when I see a gyro I get fuzzy feelings inside


Ask a gyro expert anything, I guess

>>35058195
>Flight plan under VFR
>Transponder when you're not in class A, B, or C airspace.
You don't know shit.

>>35058260
how much do they cost?
how much will they run you in fuel/maintenence?
can you use them in the cities/suburbs?

>>35058269
>falling for my maven trap
>thinks hes so clever

>>35058260
>gyro

you're not a real pilot lol

>>35058260
How hard is it to find training compared to fixed wing ultralights and how much does it generally cost?
Owning and flying one of these things is a grail of mine but I'd give up the dream if it's totally impractical compared to conventional ultralights.
What's maintenance costs like on something like a basic shitbox bensen?

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>>35058293
>"i-i-i-i-i was only pretending guys!"

>>35058313
Just go to somebody that does flying lessons and schedule a few hours of time with them

>>35058383
some maven you are

>>35058284
oh probably 18k with everything you'd need. That's for a singe seater ultralight, that is. Maintenance is like for any other airframe, although it is a tiny airframe. Really not that much. Can't fly in Class A, Class B, Class C, or Class D, or E. w/o permission from ATC. So basically uncontrolled, not over populated areas. Need to be able to see like 3~ miles or so as well, so no flying in heavy clouds. Can't fly by instruments either, you need to do it all visual. At least unpowered gliders have to yield to you heheheh

>>35058302
correct, no license needed :^)

>>35058313
The popular rotorcraft association has a good forum where you can find places/people to contact to get training. Generally though, thinking that your previous heli/fixed wing training will carry over is dangerous... it's not exactly either, and it's not in-between too. Thank god there isn't a cyclic in gyros though, yeesh

>>35058535
cool. thanks bro.

>>35058535
>thinking that your previous heli/fixed wing training will carry over is dangerous
I've heard about this, isn't this kind of thing that got gyros their poor safety record? That and the habit old bensens with the pre-redisign tail going ass over teakettle.
I'm honestly completely new to aviation, should I start on gliders or fixed ultralights first?

>>35058600
Start on a 172 like the rest of the schmucks.

>>35058600
Morons and PIO gave gyros a bad track record. That and farmers assembling kits wrong and dying the moment they try and take off from a hayfield without any previous training. Gyros are stupid stable if you leave them alone. You can fly backwards in one if you let them just sit in the wind.

If you want to skip the hubarub and go into gyros ass-first, then you need three things
0 actual lessons in a two-seater, no matter what
1 a long stip of adequately flat private road
2 a trainer gyro that you can plop an engine into later

and you'd better log fiddy hours in that trainer before you get to waggle a throttle like the shmuck you are, mister

>>35058223
Are you serious? The accident rate isn't even close. Fixed wing aviation has more crashes because it has a couple orders of magnitude more flight hours than rotary and much lower barriers to entry.

Used to be a super racist guy in my town with an H13 in his driveway. They were used for medevacs, they would carry two stretchers on mounts on the skids.

>>35058809
thats something a colored boy would post

>>35058821
Nope. Iiiiiiiiii'm white. Dude just steered the conversation from "muh helicopter" to "black people are the result of sex with monkies"

>>35057806
So pilots can feel like they're piloting a mecha

>>35058035
Actually the biggest reason is because helicopters use turbine engines almost exclusively, which area hell of alot more expensive than anything else

>>35058260
Would making the rotor blades with fiberglass mat kill me in the future?

Would building anything with fiberglass mat kill me in the future? Does it have sufficient strength?

>>35060781
I don't trust anything but single extrusion aluminum. It's your life...

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>>35060781
It's probably fine. People have built rotors from shittier things.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xV6Wdb-nd6U

>>35057611
They need to lose the EXPERI

>>35058877
It's a natural progression.

>>35061001
They basically took an AH-6 and fitted it with the computers, avionics, sensors and designators from an Apache. So it has laser designators, FLIR cameras, live streams from UAVs etc etc

I think that's the reason for the experimental stickers.

>>35057611
>gun vibrations tear airframe apart

>>35060570
You know, turbine engines were developed because they're much cheaper to build than pistons. Turbines are actually cheaper to operate in the long run. You have longer times before overhauls and then your overhauls are cheaper. It's much easier to take a turbine apart.

What makes turbines expensive are the exotic materials used, especially the ones in the blades.

>>35061394
>worth it every time

>>35061421
That's why Chrysler experimented with turbine engines street cars in the 80's. Didn't work out though

>>35061596
Meh, turbines are pretty shit for all land vehicles.

Even trains. Throttle response is lame and turbines are most efficient near their peak operating power. Cars and trains aren't running full throttle for hours at a time. In fact, it only takes like 20 horsepower to keep your car running 60 mph. This is why aircraft piston engines are much more expensive than your automobile ones. They're running at much higher power outputs for longer times than your automobile engine of the same rating.

>>35057371
explain plz

>>35060946
Good enough for Ken Wallis, good enough for me.

>>35061720
Sioux is pronounced the same as sue

>>35061730
ahh thank you.

>>35057611
>shoot Minigun
>foot accidentally slips out
>minigun detaches foot from leg

>>35061730
You mean it's pronounced the same as sault.

>>35061036
How?

>>35057359
Gays

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>>35061421
Relating to OP, I want to say whoever is building the 47s now was doing a turbine conversions. Hell, I think Hiller does one, too.
>>35057549
Nope, that was a legit armament package on the Loach. Pic related, however, was a shits-and-grins mockup.