are the SAS/SBS deserving of their borderline mythical status?

They haven't fought a top tier opponent in 70 years. The Iraqis kicked their ass in the 90s

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ask this dog about them

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>>35052106
wat.
they've been in all the same fights we have.
SBS were heavily involved in afghanistan, and still are. SAS were the spearhead of Task Force Black in Iraq.

>>35052082
Why not?
It makes for good tv.

>>35052127
>top tier opponent
>afghanistan
>iraq

>>35052126
nice 1.
why don't we ask the 12 navy SEALs who were killed by a single RPG how good US SF are?

>>35052149
>>35052126
Well that's nicely set the level of discourse for this particular thread

Fat children using dead allies as score points for internet arguments

>>35052149
yeah let's ignore their fuckups and change the subject.

>>35052163
well the cunt shouldn't have brought the doggo into it

>>35052106
Actually B sqns exploits hardly over shadowed what A and D squadron did on Operation Granby.

http://www.eliteukforces.info/special-air-service/sas-operations/desert-storm/

>>35052082
Im not going to say that they influenced every other NATO special forces unit but they influenced every other NATO special forces unit. The CAG is a copy of the SAS, they even break down into sabre squadrons.

>>35052170
gib dog back

Wow it's almost like they are also human and make fuckups like a human would

>>35052106
>the Iraqis kicked their ass

One patrol of eight being poorly planned and executed while the rest of the Regiment did perfectly well taking out or assisting aircraft taking out Scuds does not mean the Iraqis kicked their ass.

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>>35052082
Ignoring all the shenanigans in this thread.
Kind of I guess? I mean pretty much every special forces modeled themselves after the SAS so that kind of takes away from the "mythical" factor. But for the sheer awe of "holy shit that guy is SAS/SBS" I'd say they're more like legends then mythical

Yes.
Even if for only the fact they pioneered basically everything which constitutes contemporary special operations.

>>35052082
resting his muzzle in his leg
no muzzle discipline

0/10

would not operate with or want as a battle buddy

>>35052106
>The Iraqis kicked their ass in the 90s
Because a single patrol went bad?

>>35052163
i wonder if sas/sbs have ever gotten toe to toe with delta ranger or seals in a black ops that the public will never hear about it

>>35052278
Blue on blue would be rare among such elite units due to their small numbers and much better communication between allies.

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>>35052250
Implying SAS operator would want you as a battle buddy.

>>35052370
apparently they don't use these masks anymore
sad times

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>>35052381

>>35052402

Can he give the police orders?

>>35052513
No, but he isn't taking them either. There's a system in which his boss gets priority and everyone in that CoC takes precedence over police operations.

They are incredibly good. Do they have equivalents elsewhere? Yes.

>>35052278
>>35052305
no i meant as in there was probably something both forces had a mission where they were both on opposing sides and fraught each other and that only the most upper upper ranks knew about

>>35052106
>>35052138
To be brutally honest, if we're gonna go there, the Americans haven't done much better in that area.

>>35052564
Do you have fucking brain damage

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>>35052402
Trigger warning

>>35052586
>can choose any weapon

It's like they asked /k/ personally

>>35052586
>glock 9mm self loading pistol
>shopped out his tats

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>>35052564

>>35052586
>>35052620
>>35052660
The (((Gell-Mann))) Effect.

>>35052402
How does this scenario work?

The cops are probably not allowed to give him orders and in contrast the guy is probably not allowed to give the bolice orders unless he is an officer or something.

He is probably worth 10 dudes and then some but what if shit goes south and he has no battle buddies with him?

>>35052082
Probably not but not because they're bad at their job. Special Forces have always been since overhyped by design.

At least stuff like LRRP had some value but the high speed / low drag stuff not so much. The first commando raids in Norway, the Channel Islands or even Bordeaux had little strategic value, they're were designed to boost morale at home when everything else was going to shit. No Special Forces units ever won a war.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Archery
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ambassador
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Frankton

Nowadays they're bad asses but also a great recruiting tool for people that couldn't hack selection and end up in other branches/units.

>>35052082

>Lasergrips on that pistol in the vest holster

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idk but this movie about the Iranian Embassy siege was pretty kick-ass.

>>35052813
Did they show how the terrorists being sprayed once they surrendered?

>>35052586
> Basic shit that any /gq/ guy owns aside from the radio
> People act like it's mythical
Why

>>35052831
It wasn't exactly depicted that way in the film. I don't want to ruin anything, as dumb as that sounds, but the killings were generally shown as being justifiable. In any event, in both real life and the film, one terrorist was captured alive.

>>35052660
>shopped out his tats

Opsec maybe? Tats can be a way of identification. Just one look at /pol/ can show you how easy it is to track down masked people from photos by being autistic enough.

Aside from the fact that there's a ton of pictures of it out already.

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no
they're underfunded and understaffed
-source: Andy McNab in his autobiographic book. (talks about SAS being sent in to extract British embassy staff during invasion of Kuwait. American SEALS had helicopters, SAS had boats.)
Anything the US pumps out is 10x better.

>>35052564
You have to be 18+ to post here

>>35052868
Andy McNab had an axe to grind and should stick to his fiction stories.

>>35052861
good point desu

>>35052900
I know, I never trust a dude who's been literally raped in the ass.

>>35052548

I just wonder how they would interact with the police and SWAT guys. Do they communicate strategies?

>>35053159
The police are made aware and the head of their team will be involved, because from a legal standpoint it is a police matter. They do not get any say in the tactical level of things once the Army has been involved.

Their job is to make sure nothing gets out of hand until whichever SAS or SBS squadron tasked with ending things arrives.