New North Korean Nuclear Warhead

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And one more for posterity.

http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/northkorea/2017/09/03/0401000000AEN20170903000451315.html

Clinton should have taken out North Korea in the 1990s. Since he didn't, George Bush should have done it instead of dicking around in Iraq.

>>35052062
>but authenticity probably won't be verified without a test.
We wont be waiting long.

>>35052961
Do you think they plan to do an integrated test on a ballistic missile, or an underground test?

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It looks like a real attempt at a thermonuclear warhead to me. The warhead is very W87/W88 shaped and the black object looks like a neutron gun

>>35052968
An atmospheric test on a missile would shut up the "hurr, they can't hit anyone" naysayers but carries an incredible retaliatory risk and runs the risk of the weapon system failing.

Any test of a few hundred kt would demonstrate they have a thermonuclear capability.

>>35052306
Dont need nukes to fuck up South Korea - artillery fired Sarin and all is over.

Meanwhile Iraq was the perfect target, the kind of target which can not defend itself or inflict heavy casualties.

>>35052062
Nuclear weapon my ass that's my nephews iron lung

Has NK been in the habit of lying about their nukes and rockets? It's hard to see through the press' bullshit-smeared lens, but it seems like most of their claims and then some have been borne out by concrete tests

who the fuck cares anymore

>>35052062
At some point they're going to fuck up in all these attempts at being relevant and nuke something while trying to act like they're Billy Badass.
Hopefully the result will be a really big parking lot north of the 38th and my grandfather having a nice laugh

>>35052062
Is NK early warning good enough to get a shot off if someone launches a preemptive strike on them?

>>35053136
Depends on the delivery. If it's 4th generation aircraft, yes. If it's a nuclear strike, probably not, but China and Russia might tell them, and Russia and China might make an error and read the missiles in the air as an attack on them.

>>35053136
That's less a question of early warning and one of how well you hide the missile.

I think it's just a prop.

>>35052062
Where are all their medals and ribbons and big hats?
Casual Friday I guess?

Until they actually test it, it's vaporware.

>>35053078
>and my grandfather having a nice laugh

Lel

>>35053179
this, its way to shined up and staged looking. Probably just show for the population to justify military spending while they are starving.

Why hasn't someone exposed China's role in the "north korea" nuclear program?

Are we really to believe that a pariah state poorer than most of Africa, has gone from uranium gun types to a thermonuclear device?

>>35053344
Ukraine helped them

>>35053384
Oh hey, Russian friend. How's the shilling going?

>>35053384
ukraine, or russia, sold NK the rocket tech not the nukes.

>>35053039
Apparently some intel people think that Norks are farther along than we think and they're just slowly leaking stuff about it now, but who knows.

>>35053384
ukraine, or russia, sold NK the rocket tech not the nukes.

>>35052961
Do you envision a test over the North Pacific somewhere? Maybe high earth orbit? I don't know much about North Korean geography but I doubt they have to room to test a stationary bomb, but then how confident could they be it works?

>>35052062
Pre-emptive tactical nuclear strike.

>>35053762
It's North Korea. No one in Lil Kim's government is going to bat an eye if they test it by obliterating one of their gulags.

>>35052968
Underground.

>>35053019
Could be a round secondary. Brits did that.

>>35053762
>but I doubt they have to room to test a stationary bomb

They can always test it the way they've tested every other atomic weapon: buried deep underground.

>>35053762
Underground

>>35053893
>Could be a round secondary. Brits did that.

Clearly. I did say it looked like a W88/W87 peanut radiation case which have spherical secondaries.

What happened to you never commenting on nuclear design details?

>>35054175
Cont

That came of harsher than I intended.

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So let's say North Korea has a functional ICBM

They stated it's anywhere from ten to a few hundred kilotons

That's nothing near the level of thermonuclear weapons developed by the US and Russia in the 70s which were beyond the megatons

Let's say they're stupid enough to fire it off at the US or something

Will the US be able to take it down? It's not a MIRV warhead so it's only ONE warhead to stop, right

What happens if they do fire it and the US retaliates? South Korea is wiped off the map as well in nuclear hellfire? A full scale ground assault?

>>35054228
If NK lobs a missile at the continental USA, whether or not it hits it's intended target, Pyongyang will cease to exist, either by retaliatory ICBM launches, or by B1 or B2s

>>35052062
>a test
Possibly:
https://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eventpage/us2000aert#executive

>>35054271
The question is whether South Korea will follow it in its destruction.

I'm not a genius on geopolitics but am I correct in guessing that literally nobody would want to get involved as North Korea is erased from existence?

>>35054301
The US in theory would use their nuclear weapons to suppress North Korea positions and prevent the destruction of South Korea.

Speak of the devil...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-41139445

>>35054200
I commented on a UK design.

>>35054301
Pretty much. China wouldn't defend NK when they're the aggressor. A reasonable action on their part that I heard was taking the top 50km or so of NK soil as a DMZ.

>>35054271
I'm not convinced that a modern POTUS would authorize killing hundreds of thousands of oppressed civilians as retaliation. Definitely every military site would get erased and the regime removed.

>>35054330
>5.6
Big if true.
>10 km
Maybe it was actually natural this time?

>>35054369
>Maybe it was actually natural this time?

see >>35054277
>2017-09-03 03:30:01 UTC 41.343°N 129.053°E 0.0 km depth

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>>35053078
>At some point they're going to fuck up in all these attempts at being relevant and nuke something while trying to act like they're Billy Badass
That's what everyone is waiting for, for NK to make the first move, intentionally or not...

>>35054367
This. I really can't see someone just dumping sunlight on a whole city in this day and age, unless the Norks hit a US city.

>>35054331
What happened to born secret?

>>35054301
low yield tactical nukes to btfo norks while keeping sk losses at a minimum. nothing will save seoul from initial artillery strikes though.

>>35054369
USGS updated it to 6.3 which makes it an order of magnitude larger than their previous tests.

My money is on it being in the hundreds of kilotonnes range.

Well. That escalated quickly

>Second quake detected in North Korea at zero depth, China's earthquake admin. says - Reuters
What does this mean?

>>35054487
It means that we're gonna war soon.

>>35054487
I wonder if it's the same design or a separate one.

>>35054487
Link?

>>35052961
I fucking guess it wasn't. Good call.

>>35054487
>China's earthquake administration later said it detected a second quake of magnitude 4.6 at a depth of zero kilometers, which it called a "collapse," Reuters reported, noting the second tremor came eight minutes after the first at nearly identical coordinates.

>>35054538
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/02/north-korea-shaken-by-strong-tremor-which-could-signal-a-weapons-test-reuters.html

>>35054487
https://twitter.com/W7VOA/status/904199829479415808

>>35054487
Maybe there was a collapse shortly after the test. That was a pretty big boom.

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>>35054398
6.3 is a lot bigger than their last one.
This is city a buster

Hold onto your butts, guys, because they're not on fireworks anymore.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frAEmhqdLFs

>>35054395
This is the only solution.

Hit Pyongyang and possible launch sites with the big ones.
Hope airstrikes against the border artillery can disable them before Seoul is too fucked.

>>35053344
We figured out nukes in the 40s anon, they've been chugging away at this since at least the fall of the USSR, except this time they had some extra soviet rocket tech instead of Nazi rockets.

They also have a lot of uranium ore iirc, so this is about where they SHOULD be, just from a tech limit line; small number of nukes, meh delivery system, experimental H-bomb in development

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We're all fucked.

North Korea's "sudden surge" in missile and nuclear arms tech is part of a ploy by China. It has always been a ploy by China.

North Korea gets to rattle the saber at Western interests and China gets to look clean. China gets to be the "only one" that can make North Korea do anything. So the Norks will push the West, SKorea, and Japan as much as they can or China will allow. Then some secret back room deals are made. Which gets China to step in and tell Best Korea to chill out.

I guarantee that any nuclear arms deal that puts and end to this. Will see Chinese brand goods flooding into America, Japan, and Korea. Along with other economic interests like Chinese ownership of major foreign companies, ignoring international trade law violations, or legitimizing China's claim on South China Sea islands and ocean.

>>35054603
It'll be fine.

Or I'll wake up tomorrow morning and a country or two will be removed from the world atlas.

>>35054598
>experimental H-bomb in development
You mean tested.
That was a very big boom that just happened.
People are saying megaton. No fission device can do that

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>>35054603
Where were you when NK took on the world in a nuclear pissing match to ensure the existence of their batshit insane government and actually WON?

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Is it finally happening?

>>35054615
>Or I'll wake up tomorrow morning and a country or two will be removed from the world atlas.
The crazy thing is that this is how it'll happen
There won't be an preamble
The news will only get wind of it as a fait accompli.

One minute, your jerking off, and then the next you'll see people talking about the first nuclear strikes since Nagasaki and how North Korea has finally been eliminated as a rogue state.
There won't be any "watching it unfold"

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This year recapped:

REMINDER that NK tested an ICBM twice and the US did nothing but some pointless B-1 flights.

REMINDER that NK is now beginning to test ballistic missiles with Japan overflights and the US did nothing but some pointless B-1 flights.

Now, does anyone want to guess what the US response with be over the next few days to NK's first thermonuclear test?

>>35054367
If nukes start flying we've officially moved from checkers to chess; the US populace is IMMENSLY vengeful in the short term- after 9/11 we raged across 2 nations and destabilized the entire ME, if a nuke flies I'm not sure it'd even be able to go off before congress recieves the first draft for "genocide the norks" legislation.

More practically, if the DPRK collapses the human cost in humanitarian damage is going to be so absurd that 100k dead in Pyongyang from light nuking/bombing/shelling vs 100k dead from mass starvation and civil collapse is entirely academic.

>>35054611
Let's see how China would like some Section 301 investigations and further actions.

>That's a nice economic miracle you've got there.
>shame if something were to happen to it

>>35054672
Some pointless B-2 flights?

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>>35054644
Not yet.
We're very very close.

Like, the dick is touching the asshole here.

>>35053220
and just like that it's no longer vaporware.

>>35054672
Threats of steel tariffs against China.

>>35054651
5 minutes of coverage on the end of the Korean War and months more on why it was drumpfs fault.

>>35054672
We will write a deeply concerned letter or two.

>>35054617
Well shit, I just saw. Neat.

>>35054676
It won't be academic because they'll die cheaper if it's bombs. Humanitarian aid is expensive.

>>35054331
Hey Oppenheimer,

How concerned should CONUS be for one of these Korean nukes being used to generate an EMP across North America? We get that they can more than likely (even with conventional weapons) directly kill or damage the infrastructure of our asian allies, but, I'm more concerned about power and utilities here at home.

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Visualization of the difference between this and their last test.

>>35054727
Shiiiiit.
It's easy to forget that the Richter scale is logarithmic.
Shit escalates fast

>>35054693
China's been making "Look dude, they're not with us any more" motions all year.

I think the cord has been cut. We're not going to get a Korea War scenario again.

>>35054711
True but I dont think the military would be so cold as to go in front of the press and say "we did it for the bean counters", at least not for a war we are 99% guaranteed to win

>>35054757
That's from a Western perspective. The Chinese recently reaffirmed that whole mutual defense treaty where if NATO makes the first move, China will help NK. Maybe it's bullshit, but who knows what's going on in their yellow insectile minds

32x as powerful as the last test. Y'all niggas don't know how to use the Richter scale

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>>35054715
I'm not Opp, but if you have time, you can read more about EMP effects over a populated area here:

http://www.futurescience.com/emp/test184.html

In 1962, the Soviet Union conducted a series of tests called the K-series.

>These EMP-producing tests were done over a large populated land mass in Kazakhstan. Even though the economic state of Kazakhstan in 1962 was quite primitive by today's standards, it was heavily industrialized and electrified.

It's a long document, but it will pretty much answer any of the questions you have.

All else aside, I think it would be fun to be one them nork minions down in the bunker. Lord knows nobody else is lighting those fuckers off in the current year.

>>35054757
China still has a bit of economic pull, they cant have a nuclear neighbor collapse, be it due to US roflstomp a la Desert Storm 2: radioactive boogaloo or outright civil war or civil strife.

If it was up to China, every day would be yesterday; the DPRK is decently stable and JUST enough to keep USA at arms length on the penninsula

>>35054775
So, I've seen a lot of these, but the issues you brought up are the crux of the issues here.

(1) Less digital, low-voltage tech
(2) more ruggedized infrastructure
(3) greater use of analog

Would make comparisons back to earlier tests less comparable (we'd probably fare worse in all honesty), but, I'm wondering if a single fusion warhead over North America could do it, and (if so) how much distance is required for their ICBMs.

>>35054800
Detonating a warhead in space would be much easier for them than trying to get it to re-enter. As for range, some of their latest designs could do it.

>>35054715
>>35054775
I was just looking up Starfish Prime.
That was a 1.4 megaton bomb at 250 altitude.
It knocked out power in Hawaii 900 miles away.
The radiation also took down a number of satellites.
There's a huge difference between now and then, for better or worse, but a megaton bomb detonated in LEO over America seems like it would be very bad news.

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Updated yield.

>>35054878
It's still looking thermonuclear at that yield.
Though, I guess if they had enough uranium, a fission bomb can be scaled up

>>35054895
>http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-41139445

Indeed. The largest pure fission bomb the US ever tested was a 500 kiloton bomb that was dropped from a B-36.

This is the test in question.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O69Kc1i01tA

Since it's somewhat related. What was the name of the project that was basically a super nuke and when it was flying it left a trail of radiation behind it.

>>35054910
PLUTO i think?

>>35052961
Fucking wizard man, i swear. Good call.

>>35054910
Project Pluto

So have the Norks successfully put together a hydrogen bomb?

>>35054930
Yes.

>>35054930
>So have the Norks successfully put together a hydrogen bomb?

We have very little reason to think they haven't.

>>35054917
>>35054920
That's it thanks.

again, why should I care?

>>35054903
>1952
I'm always amazed about how fast shit when in the 50s.
Trinity was only 7 years early.

I can't tell whether technologically progression has slowed a great deal in the last 10 years or we just don't know about the real shit

>>35054903
No. Those take so much fissible material and are so wasteful North Korea would never do this with how precious their material is. This is absolutely a 2-stage.

>>35054895
>>35054903
They could, but it would be incredibly expensive in nuclear material.

North Korea can probably only produce ~50kg (if that) of HEU per year. Blowing two or three years production on a single weapon is risky.

>>35054960
I agree, it's rather unlikely this was anything but an actual hydrogen bomb.

They won't lob a nuke at anybody. They plan to use it as a trump card against any invading ground force.

>>35054953
It has to do with money and resources. The North Korean program is probably only being conducted on a budget of a few hundred million USD per year.

>>35054969
Would it be worth the bluff?
Making the world believe you have H-bombs is a huge thing.
If you're never actually planning on using that uranium in a war and just want to keep saber rattling forever, then it would be a fair cost, wudnit?

What's stopping SK from ordering a mass evacuation of Seoul and letting the USAF do its thing?

>>35054980
I'm talking about us, not them.
We're spending billions on R&D and the best we have to show for it is a white elephant of a Jack-of-all-trades fighter that hasn't been adopted into proper service despite more than 20 years of development

>>35054982
Perhaps, but in the long run fusion weapons would be far cheaper and a large number of them would offer better deterrence.

>>35054982
Deterrence requires that your threats have to be credible.

And the US response will be? Don't get me wrong but all I can see is "How terrible, something MUST happen now" for the fifth time until the next test/revelation. Where the fuck is this whole thing going then?

>>35054990
it would be extremely obvious, NK would take it as a sign of imminent war, and they would start shelling. It might save some lives, but not many.

>>35054990
NK would likely take that as an aggressive act and respond accordingly.

Seoul/all of SK is their hostage.
Hostage takers don't take well to removing their only means of control

>>35055001
Despite all the dick waving, neither side actually wants a war.

>>35055002
makes the west look all that less guilty when we turn north korea into a series of moon craters.

can't they only target like a third of Seoul anyways? I'm sure if they started some mass evacuation with no notice to NK, they'd get enough people out that the losses wouldn't be so heavy so as to prevent western action in north korea

>>35054982
Writing checks you're ass can't cash is a bad idea when Western aligned powers will constantly be probing you for data.

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>>35055014
but the US really dosen't want a MAD-capable NK
And Japan will not tolerate being nukeless facing nuclear China and NK; they might develop their own and would be able to deploy in like 2 years, so would South Korea. An Asian nuclear arms race would be insanely dangerous.
Shit is going downhill. Either the US acts very soon or they've totally failed in asia.

>>35055014
>Despite all the dick waving, neither side actually wants a war.

Unfortunately, I think you're wrong. North Korea very much desires a war, of a very limited scope. They want to waltz in and take South Korea, uniting the peninsula under its control, and dare anyone who disagrees with that to try and retaliate; if they use their conventional weapons against the Kims, which would nominally end in favor of the foreign power, they'll respond with nukes.

>>35055014
You are correct.
The issue is that a war might happen due to a series of mistakes and miscalculations.

>>35055032
>Either the US acts very soon or they've totally failed in asia.
Yeah.
It seems like now's the time shit is going to hit the fan.
It's one thing to have NK fucking around with <100kt nukes with no delivery system.
It's another for hydrogen bombs on ICBMs.

They're saying "We want to be able to target continental USA" with their missile tests. And that's una-fucking-cceptable.
If there's ANYTIME where the US is going to pre-emptive strike NK, it's within the year.
The NK ICBMs are juuuuust short of where they need to be.
Right now, there's little to no risk for continental America if there's open hostilities between the US and NK. Very month they wait, that risk goes up.
This is the last time you can say America can attack NK and not be risking LA even just a little bit

>>35052961
Do you hate being right sometimes?

Is this the best or worst time to be shipping to OSUT in less than two weeks?

>>35055074
This is what's fucking scary. We are in that time window where military option is not only possible; but the best possible time, with no chance for it after.

>>35055074
>>35055092
Its too late.

>>35055107
They haven't shown an ability to cross the Pacific yet.
At least as far as I know

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I'm within 100 miles of SD, LA, Camp Pendleton, SD Naval Base, Miramar, Vandenberg, and San Onofre nuke plant.

fuck all of you and your meme magic, there are /k/ommandos stranded in this shithole state fighting for the cause ya know

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I guess if you're not already fully prepared for a nuclear war and don't have your shit ready to go by now then you're already fucked?

>>35055048
I agree, but its too risky for the norks, even now. Only when they have the capability to actually fuck the entire world into oblivion by themselves will the rest of the world stand back and let them take the south, but they'll still fight against the norks in other ways then direct war

>>35055137
They're playing the long game. We're not at imminent risk of them making a serious attempt, but the longer this goes on, the more dangerous North Korea becomes.

>>35055145
>We're not at imminent risk of them making a serious attempt, but the longer this goes on, the more dangerous North Korea becomes.
Which is why we're probably going to see shit go down within the year

>>35055145
>We're not at imminent risk of them making a serious attempt, but the longer this goes on, the more dangerous North Korea becomes.
I wonder how many times this has been said over the years now.

>>35055114
They have missiles that can probably reach the interior of the US.


Hwasong-14

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>>35052062
>Be me
>be chairforce in guam
>watch/hear all this shit happening
>our response is to puff our chests out as say "oh you better not do that"
>they, being real niggas and not giving a shit, do anyway
>we continue to not do anything

Man I love being a fucking pussy dude this is great

>>35055114
They have. The Hwasong-14 can reach Chicago and DC.

>>35055167
>I wonder how many times this has been said over the years now.

Honestly I'm tired of being a broken record about it too. The consequences of finally acting on it (or not acting on it) are still going to be horrifying.

Whatever happened to fogbank

seems like we never did figure out how to make it the same way as in the good old days

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>>35055168
>>35055182
Oh.
Well that's something.

How're our anti-missile systems nowadays?

>>35055185
>seems like we never did figure out how to make it the same way as in the good old days

We solved it and made it better.

>>35055191
>How're our anti-missile systems nowadays?

50/50 odds at best.

>>35055191
Coin flip.

>>35055185
Trying to drive of Oppen? Why?

>>35055191
>>35055197
>50/50 odds at best.
At very best. You only need one to get through; and THAAD and AEGIS don't work against ICBM's. GMD has a 50% test record in perfect conditions, never at night, against perfectly outlined targets.
Missile defence is a meme.

>>35052306

This is 100% south koreas fault. The US has wanted to take care of this for a couple decades but south korea has been blocking it. they won't allow us to launch attacks from their country or send more forces there.

>>35055207
?
I just remember reading about it a while ago in an engineering class and this is a nuke thread after all

>>35055191
If it's one or two missiles they can spam interceptors to increase kill probability and have a ~95% of killing the missiles. Any more than that and the kill probability drops fast.

>>35053344

The bigger question is why has the US media conveniently forgotten bill clintons role in them getting a nuclear reactor in the first place?

>>35055221
We don't actually know for sure. One of the labs did publish something about successfully re-engineering an unspecified material and making it better than the original method. I'm guessing it's fogbank. I don't actually know.

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>>35055197
>>35055201
>>35055215
>50/50
Neat. Awesome.

Can someone direct me to the exit of Mr Kim's Wild Ride? I can't seem to find it

>>35055132
I had a nightmare that the port of Houston got nuked as collateral during an escalating conflict with China over NK and I Was Not Prepared™

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>>35055243
just submerge yourself in a bathtub of cosmoline and you'll survive the blast

>>35055257
Cosmoline preserves all...

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>>35055273

>>35052961
Dis nigga. Greatest poster on /k/ by far

>>35055215
>Missile defence is a meme
each side has 20 warheads
10 hard targets, 10 soft targets
blufor predicted to defeat 30%
opfor forced to devote 1 extra missile per soft target and 2 extra to ensure destruction of hard target.
blufor effectively cuts potential first strike targets, and effective enemy stockpile, by up to 2/3

opfor complains to admins

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>>35052961

>>35055301
>>35052961
Nigga. I posted on twitter "great leader pls no nukes until i finish Narcos"
literally 2 hours later i log back on and they dun did it.

>>35052306
>MacArthur should have taken out North Korea in the 1950s

>>35055326
in retrospect, yes. the world didn't have the stomach for another continental war, so nukes got suggested

>>35055321
Great blog entry.

>>35055333
Seriously half-satan trips; what were the odds?

>>35055321
Obviously, the solution is for you to ask the Greatest Leader to please not nuke San Francisco.

>>35055326
Doing that in the 50s would have lead to either a conventional WW3 or a nuclear exchange between USA and USSR.

Attacking them now leads to russia and china either participating in the skullfucking or being complacent because they have no other choice but to let the US ravage NK militarily.

>>35055354
>nuclear exchange between USA and USSR.
The USSR would have lost a nuclear exchange with the US in the 1950s.
And lost badly.

>>35054676
Yes, but after 9/11 the US didn't wipe Muslim cities off the map. The US targeted mainly enemy combatants, or at least tried to make it seem that way.
Of course, if NK literally nukes a US city, I can imagine the US would nuke Pyongyang in response. But if NK tries and fails, I'm not sure the US would retaliate against their civilians.
Not that the civilian-distinction matters that much... most of NK's military are slaves as much as the civvies are. But I still think the distinction is relevant enough that it would give the US decision maker (probably Trump) pause.
There's also the factor that nukes cause lingering pollution issues, and Seoul is just 120 miles away from Pyongyang./

>>35055370
still a nuclear exchange, and it would have changed the course of history

but I'm just trying to say that doing it now is the best time because it's the only time there's global support for removing NK from the global table.

never before could we take out NK without looking like the bad guys

>>35055370
western europe played hostage

>>35055387
They didn't have a way to reliably deliver them.

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>>35055381

>>35055404
Western Europe was at risk of being invaded by the Red Army, rather than nuclear bombardment. Russia had an unmatched mass of tanks and manpower by the end of World War 2, which is why people were so terrified of the Iron Curtain.

>>35055422
>Western Europe was at risk of being invaded by the Red Army,
Hard to run an army when the POL infrastructure is destroyed.

>>35053034

Not just CW but biological weapons too

>>35055032
I often wonder how rapidly Japan and SK could build nukes if they decided to get there ASAP and money was no object. Anyone have an informed idea?

Now is a good time to brush up on what Oppen always says about winds aloft. How can you check those, at the relevant altitude, which is what exactly?
If we get EMPed will there still be a way to find winds aloft?

>>35055074
And SK, Japan, PRC, and Taiwan are probably already where you are saying the US will be. It's pretty crazy, but it seems that NK either already has or will soon have the means to basically half-erase Japan by hitting its three or four biggest cities.

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>>35054727
PANIC
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Their nukes and means of delivery are going to be better every year,

Hydrogen bomb, dayum

>>35055473
How would the Norks EMP us? They'd need to get their shit in the air.
'sides, if they EMP'd the West coast would it also affect the East?

I got a disabled sister who needs electricity, so that's my primary concern.

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>>35052062
I wouldn't doubt that nork has H bombs now since the early versions of H bombs are just nukes weld onto a tank of hydrogen

>>35054953
Tech is still advancing crazy fast and getting faster every year. It's just going in different directions. Look at whats happening with solar panels and batteries for an example of rapidly increasing tech development.

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>>35055652
Elaborating on this Anon's post

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>>35055004
They need to try for a Gallipoli style secret evacuation then. First, secretly replace all the highly visible civilians with military impersonators so the Norks dont know the civvies are gone. Then secretly replace the military guys with drip-rifles and helmets on sticks so the Norks dont see them leave either. By the time they figure out whats happened it'll be too late and we'll be free to kick their shit in with impunity.

>>35055543
> early versions of H bombs are just nukes weld onto a tank of hydrogen

It's clear you're a retard.

>>35055543
>Juke box

>>35052062
Did a little rough napkin math. I'm probably wrong, but if the nuke is a 6.3 on the Richter it looks like that's about a 42 kiloton explosion.

>>35055767

https://www.norsar.no/press/latest-press-release/archive/large-nuclear-test-in-north-korea-on-3-september-2017-article1534-984.html

These guys estimate 120 kilotons

>>35055770
Cool. They're probably more right than me.

>>35055326
MacArthur and his intelligence team fucked everything up

Skyking just went out 107 characters, now it's morse.

Anyone hear know Morse?

http://websdr.ewi.utwente.nl:8901/ freq:8992

>>35054998
Please answer >>35055541

>>35055409
This is why people are against the B61-12; it being low yield and precise makes the use of nukes more attractive and option. And when it comes to use of nuclear weapons, wether it's a 10kt surgical strike or a 500kt city buster makes no difference, you just opened Pandora's box and consequences will never be the same.

>>35055465
Japan and SK are considered "turnkey" countries; they have all the nuclear reactors, technology, brainpower, aerospace and scientific facilities ready to start churning out nuclear weapons and delivery systems within a very short time (less than 3 years) if they decided to "turn the key". Japan could become a major nuclear power with ICBM's, SSBN's, bombers and tactical weapons so fast it would make your head spin, and China would be absolutely fucking furious. Same for South Korea. Wouldn't surprise me if ROK and Japan partnered and had a joint program, making it even faster.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_latency

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>>35055865
>mfw chink strategy of "use NK as a buffer between us and the west and ignore any of Kim's fuckery" comes back to bite them in the ass when after so many decades of inaction it's too late to take out the norks and now china has nuclear japan, south korea, and north korea on their immediate border
wouldn't that just be a bitch

>>35054946
>http://www.futurescience.com/emp/test184.html
Because they se US as it's arch enemy, the one that has invaded and occu[pierd half of their country, the one known for destroying in unprovoked attacks the countries it doesn't like.
Face it, they would have every reason in the world to wipe you out directly.

>>35055541
>>35055841
They can get their shit into the air. But forget about an EMP; they'd need to send a huge (50+ megatons) nuke in the high atmosphere to have any kind of big area. They can just nuke cities and they'll have much more impact.
I'd be more worried about YOUR COUNTRY GETTING FUCKING NUKED AND IT'S SOCIETAL STRUCTURE CRUMBLING than some vague Call-of-Duty-tier EMP scenario.
http://www.armscontrolwonk.com/archive/206626/more-emp-nonsense/

>>35054382
would nut to, but that's probably a trap

>>35055437
Are you a cretin by any chance? The USSR infrastructure was in shambles at the end of WW2, that hasn't stopped them from curbstomping the nazis, what made you believe you'll have a better chance of surviving?

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>>35055958
i look forward to large numbers of poor, qt korean refugees whoring themselves for survival and coming here to work in strip clubs

>>35055966
Spicy

>>35055352
>what were the odds?
1 in 1000.

>>35054975
He's sitting in his palace thinking of Iraq, Libya, and current Syria. He's fearing he'll be next. This is going to be his attempt to show the world his big boy status, even if it means lobbing one.

>>35054228
we will buttfuck their souls is what will happen.

if anything that is an understatement, we will slam into them with a warboner big enough to end all life in north east asia for the next 10,000 years, and turn it into a monument of shining glowing glass.

>>35053078
i fully expect to hear laughter from the afterlife from my grandfather, along with him and Gen. Macarthur popping bottles of Chivas Regal open and having a toast.

the ONLY thing he hated more than BIG ARMY, was the Koreans and the Chinese. he was part of the 65th that were at Chosin , and that took Chorwon, he saw hell over there, and that fucking bastard gringo they set over the dumb ass spics from the island like him was worse than the Chinese.

>>35054688
Dad's dick, or mom's dick?

cause if its mom's dick, the rides about to get bumpy.

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>>35054698
oh shit fucking hanz brix!!

>>35054996
so you also know nothing about aviation, in addition to knowing nothing about nukes?
we got a multi-untalented man over here

>>35054757
look at all the chinaboo laowai bloggers leaving china like rats leaving a sinking ship. they've been arresting the shit out of millionaires and billionaires over there and confiscating all their property and bank holdings. the Chinese know that the hammer is fixing to fall, and are trying to plug all holes before that happens. its why they started the golden shield project to block off access to the internet.

>>35055991
fatboy doesnt run that country any more than laquinsha at tacobell runs fucking Capsule Corporation.

his sister runs that shit. he's just the dancing monkey with the target on his back, leaving her with a free hand to do whatever she wants.

>>35055865
>Churning out plutonium
>With BWRs and PWRs

>try to look up some ABM numbers and ICBM defense measure PKs
>nothing but sensationalist tabloid articles
FUCK
THIS SHIT

>>35056215
Unless it's so shoddy that they're delivering it by Zeppelin, even the Norks can put together an ICBM that's impossible to have any reasonable certainty of scoring a hit on before it detonates..

>>35052961
i thought you stopped tripping

>>35055737
He's not far off though I imagine it's by accident or through recalling the faintest bit of trivia. The very first true hydrogen bombs were giant Dewars of hydrogen isotopes, albeit with fissile 'spark plugs' running down the center. Dark Sun by Richard Rhodes has the only detailed description of the Ivy Mike device that I've found in publicly available literature.

That said, Mike was less of a deliverable weapon and more of an entire building that also happened to be a hydrogen bomb on life support. Afterwards, deliverable wet bombs were produced to fill the gap until Castle Bravo confirmed that solid fusion fuel was viable as a response to enormously boosted Soviet (which Teller, for all his stubborn, shitty failings, correctly deduced was a design dead-end).

>>35052062
Nobody can tell me that's a real bomb.

Also these gooks are getting on my nerves.

>>35056376
At this stage, it's actually cheaper and requires less real estate to build a real nuclear device than it is to manufacture the equivalent explosive power in conventional explosives.

What the Dear Leader is pictured with may well just be a casing filled with old pinball machine parts but it could very well look like that if it were a fully functional device.

>>35056400
>At this stage, it's actually cheaper and requires less real estate to build a real nuclear device than it is to manufacture the equivalent explosive power in conventional explosives.

I'm pretty sure that was the case long ago, given how absurd an amount of explosives you'd need to ballpark in one place to get even to a Fatboy level.

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>>35056422
It's not quite as absurd as you might think. Before Trinity, the US exploded the equivalent yield of 100t of TNT (they used Amatol), laced with radionuclide for added fun. It wouldn't be too hard to put together a few dozen of these to get into the low kt range but manufacturing a thousand would be pretty hard to hide from satellites.

Once you get into the megaton range, things do indeed get absurd, a 2.78Mt device would require a solid chunk of TNT the size of the Empire State Building (and I would totally pay to watch some insane billionaire build one of those on a deserted island and set it off).

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>>35052062
meanwhile twitter is censoring user news. only mas media news appear in the search.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLAsSW6FOh0

Oppenheimer, I've been meaning to ask:
Japan is being described as a defacto-nuclear state due to their extensive civilian use, research and also their space program offering delivery options.

How fast do you think they could get a working device?
Do you think they have plans to do so or is that an image other like to paint of them?

>>35056457
theres been an information manipulation going on with twitter since the arabs bought it back in 2010.

the REAL showing of hands has been since youtube started clamping down on "fake news" and anything that goes against the machine.

>>35056478
>Do you think they have plans to do so or is that an image other like to paint of them?

Considering they are the only nation in history to ever be nuked and one of the very few to ever get a nuclear reactor to blow up under them, I think they're more than happy to keep to the implications of only having a self defense force.

If they had to, they would. But they don't have to and are happy with how things stand.

>>35056478
not him but I think if the jap government would start to go down that path there would be a massive public outcry

>>35056478
Also not Oppenheimer but the reactors Japan uses aren't really designed for plutonium production. It would be easier and faster for them to build new reactors (they've had MAGNOX in the past) than to build the facilities needed to recover fissile plutonium from spent BWR and PWR fuel.

>>35055437
>Nuke USSR
>Waste nukes on infastructure bottlenecks instead of army facilities, meaning they can field more aircrafts and motorbikes for the first forward advancement
>Nevermind, USSR has more army facilities than enemy has nukes that can hit those facilities, so they still get even more stuff to field
>Production is still spread enough to be nuke resistant
Short story short: The simplest counter to nukes, is to spread manpower, production and infrastructure, so enemy do not have enough missiles. So for every nukes that misses/gets shot down, it increases your manpower surplus for the post nuke war.

Then again, Nuclear was is a comples scenario. First strike is one thing, but the follow up is even more complex.
I guess one of the goals would be to secure the enemy stockpile or whatever, or production means, to avoid a second strike. Or strategically save one Nuke that has to be flown per large cargo plane, and do a atmosphere detonation to knock out satellites and overload all electric infrastructure from the rather big EMP.

>>35056478
Unless they have some decently sized reactors for "scientific research purpose on nuclear power" somewhere, they would need to build a few, which takes time.
And then ask for some blueprints, or get them out of storage if they have em. And them build em.
So, months if rushed and prioritized?

Good. Even better if they fire it at someone (even BETTER if its the US, not a random bystander Asian nation) if they get seriously provoked. I'd sooner see millions of dead burgers than Iraq V.2

>>35056520
You people say Japan doesn't have the plutonium but wiki quotes this:
On 24 March 2014, Japan agreed to turn over more than 700 pounds (320 kg) of weapons grade plutonium and highly enriched uranium to the US,[40] which started to be returned in 2016.[41]

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/3/24/japan-to-turn-overnuclearmaterialtous.html

what's up with that?

it looks like a two-stage design. using a conventional plutonium-implosion bomb as a primary to ignite a secondary fusion reaction (radiation implosion of plutonium to fuse a form of hydrogen)

the yield seems very small though, 60 kiloton. a true hydrogen bomb would likely be much greater. not saying they can't be made small, but why bother making a 60 kt. hydrogen bomb when such a yield could easily be achieved through conventional designs, no need for complex second stages. perhaps they're short on resources and simply used a very small scale design to test the concept.

the picture definitely looks like a two-stage design ("hydrogen bomb"), but it could just be a fake casing. i feel like they're probably still stuck with conventional single-stage nukes but simply upped the yield (boosted fission perhaps?). from what i can remember every country that managed to successfully detonate true hydrogen bombs have always made them in the megaton yield (1000+ kiloton) which far exceeds the yield from all NK tests combined.

>>35056584
>>35054878

the numbers in this thread are varying quite a bit from 60 to a few hundred

>>35056590
i'm not 100% convinced until i see megaton yields. i think the largest single-stage weapon the US ever tested was around 500 kiloton, which is likely the highest yield that can be achieved realistically without using hydrogen bombs. still, this yield was achieved using boosted fission, which is technically still using a tiny bit of fusion to help boost the fission reaction. whether the koreans know how to do this is also unknown, but if this test was several hundred kiloton then it seems the most likely explanation is that NK has successfully achieved boosted fission, which in turn means they're very close to making a true hydrogen bomb.

the US did the same thing, they tested boosted fission before making a true hydrogen bomb. and it worked.

>>35056575
Exaggerated headlines. Yes, they may well have a lot of plutonium but the 239 will be mixed in there with a lot of other isotopes (both of plutonium and other elements).

I'm not aware of any nation that does plutonium isotope separation. The nuclear powers either use a combined civilian/military pipeline where the fuel destined for weapons has a shorter time in the reactor at higher neutron flux levels or have dedicated weapons reactors.

On the other hand, if Japan wants to build HEU weapons, they could conceivably rejig their enrichment facilities for a higher level of enrichment (based on their reactor technology, I can't see why they'd need to enrich highly enough for an efficient bomb).

>>35056612
There's no way in hell the Norks are going to build, let alone test a straight fission weapon in the 100kt range, they simply don't have enough fissile material. A layer cake design is a much smaller challenge than a true hydrogen bomb but the big historical limitation for hydrogen bombs was processing power. What once required a whole university department to calculate can today be done on a single computer no more powerful than what you'd find on the desk of a moderately wealthy gamer (though I'd imagine they'd have some sort of supercomputer to speed things up a bit).

just to be clear here, so if the norks decided they don't want to exist anymore and decided to take the nips and koreans along, they could do it today?

>>35056639
Not even close. Even if they carted it up to the DMZ before setting it off, they'd give Seoul a light dusting at best.

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>>35056639
>>35056643
That tiny red dot is the zone in which everything that could be would be set ablaze, the fireball is even smaller.

>>35056639
Not really.

However, it has solidified what has been generally true for the last half a century or so.
The only ones who can do anything about North Korea are the Chinese and Russians.
US couldn't do anything before because it would delete South Korea or even turn it into North Korea 2.0 and now, with a fairly strong nuclear weapon in their possession, it is practically impossible for them to do absolutely anything.

Unless someone convinces one of those two nations to barge in and remove kimchi from the direction they never even considered, we are not going anywhere any time soon.

>>35056655
>>35056651
fuck me, I keep forgetting how big modern cities are

>>35054727
WELL

>>35056236
Given the current test results and nork build quality, I'd reckon if they did try a ballistic test with a nuke on board it would more likely fall apart than get intercepted.

I've read what is most likely bullshit coldwar propaganda about a supposed suicide ship (oil tanker or destroyer, heard both of them) that is a fission blasting cap with the entire ship (-propulsion) is filled with deuterium or some fusil material, making a giant H-bomb larger than the Tzar bomb by orders of magnitude, meant to be sailed into a port city like NY and set off, leveling the whole thing

I would ignore it completely but shit like project pluto exists on paper, so can anyone tell me just how impossible something like this is?

>>35052961
Confirmed, Oppenheimer works for North Korea!!!!

>>35056651
Thats still mind bogglingly massive desu.

>>35056575
There's a big difference between what is legally weapons grade material and what is actually useful for a nuclear weapon.

Uranium with a 20% U235 content for example is weapons grade but building a bomb with it would be very challenging from an engineering standpoint. Pu239 has a complex set of rules surrounding what makes it "nuclear weapons grade" legally but in practice anything with more than 10% Pu240 in it would be very difficult to make a weapon with.

>>35056584
>it looks like a two-stage design
All thermonuclear weapons are at least two stage designs.

>the yield seems very small though, 60 kiloton
The statement from one faction of the South Korean government interested in appeasement and no military action.

>but why bother making a 60 kt
Because drilling deep enough to contain a multi-megatonne blast is difficult.

Not knowing what a capital letter is makes you look retarded.

>>35056781
Impossible because it's retarded.

>implying NK won't get a true nuke ICBM while the world just spergs out and does literally nothing

its all just sensationalist crap

>>35056781
>entire ship (-propulsion) is filled with deuterium or some fusil material, making a giant H-bomb larger than the Tzar bomb by orders of magnitude, meant to be sailed into a port city like NY and set off, leveling the whole thing

No.

Heavy water is hard to manufacture and requires large production facilities. Aside from that, that's not how H bombs work.

>>35055714

Stupid as hell, if anything like that was going to happen they would just evacuate first and then begin invasion.

>>35056781
http://blog.nuclearsecrecy.com/2012/09/12/in-search-of-a-bigger-boom/

Not sure where South Korea is getting the 50 to 60 kt claims.

The previous test was estimated at 20 to 30 kt by outside analysts and 5.3M on the Richter scale. Assuming the same type of rock (a safe assumption considering it was tested at the same site), and knowing this test was 6.3M, the yield should have been 10 times or 200 to 300 kt because the scale is Log10.

This would better match yield to Richter scale found at the Nevada test site. At Nevada, tremors between 6 and 6.3 correlated with yields of 300 to 1200 kt.

http://www.armscontrolwonk.com/archive/206288/making-yield-estimates/

I'm not well versed in all this atomic jibberjabber and have the attention span of mango

Can someone explain like you would to a 5 year old why the norks having a bigger bomb is such a big deal. They still have no reliable ways of delivering it right?

Right?

>>35056884
>They still have no reliable ways of delivering it right?

The Nork demonstrated an ICBM only a few weeks ago. Are you stupid?

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Re-Applying for the army in 12 months because got turned down for ahstma. Will I miss out on the gook killing, or will this be serious enough for them to disregard my medical?

>>35056884
they have ICBMs anon
granted, they still can't reach mainland US but their tech is improving at quite an impressive pace

>>35056889
Hey myan I've been on vacation the past month.

The only news that reached me is whatever outrageous thing Trump tweeted

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>>35056884
What are Hiluxs?

>>35054228
we can easily build anti ballistic missile systems we don't because we font want to start an arms race in that area. we have some systems (THAAD AGIES) but their limited by treaties and what not for example ABM sites are in Moscow and Missouri

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when does he call the cyber police

>>35056903
what is that one thing

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>>35056878
>This would better match yield to Richter scale found at the Nevada test site. At Nevada, tremors between 6 and 6.3 correlated with yields of 300 to 1200 kt.

soil water content has huge impact on yield calculation, the ruskies and americans had that put into the agreements, so they woul'd have soil measurements of water content to be able to decide of the other part respected limits on test yield.

I dunno if there are good measure of the nork testsite soil...

>>35056918
Wouodnt that make the yield higher seeing as Nevada is a hard desert and North Korea is a squishy shock absorbing jungle?

>>35056916
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbPcSKCqKLc

>>35056924

i don't know but I assume water content of soil in the deeper parts of the crust would be relevant.. because of hydralic shock something something... I assume the blow the nukes a few hundred meters down into the earth, and the energy that bounces on the teutonic plaetes is that gets measured thousands of kilometers away... but i dunno for sure.

Pretty sure yod do deep test though, and that surface conditions of a biome doesn't influence deep earth very much.

>>35055409
I thought that the five targets destroyed were the cities.

>>35054651
>There won't be any "watching it unfold"
We will be watching a nuclear-armed NK unfold for the next several decades at least. Nobody is going to do shit.

>>35056893
Yes, they can.

>>35056924
>North Korea is a squishy shock absorbing jungle

btw, norks and japs don't live in a jungle... cambodia != russia

>>35056938
Kiwifag here, I imagine its the same as over here. Rain forest mixed with "deserts" and mountains. Pretty much Just Cause 2

So, North Korea now claim to have ballistic missile technology that could reach the US, and a thermonuclear warhead to go with it, and there is evidence to suggest that it is true.

The next time they send up a rocket the US just classify it as a possible nuclear attack and respond properly?
I just don't get what they are trying to accomplish, there is no use of nuclear weapons by North Korea that does not end with the end of their existence as a nation, and on some level they have to understand that.
You can't bluff in a game of nuclear chicken.

>>35055216
Like the US couldn't turn North Korea into a bombed out wasteland without even setting foot on the Korean peninsula.

>>35056945

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%B6ppen_climate_classification

seems harsher than your weather... about as far north as Beijing.

>>35056956
>I just don't get what they are trying to accomplish, there is no use of nuclear weapons by North Korea

It's a deterrent. Just like the thousands of artillery positions they have aimed straight at Seoul.
You don't get nukes to use them against people, you get them to not get bullied by those who do.

The closer Americans were to the point they'd deem the damage to SK sustainable and acceptable, the closer NK was to getting anschlussed.
With nukes in the field, they are once again mostly in the safe from a foreign invasion as getting rid of all that artillery would have been a bitch in itself, protecting all major SK pop/industry centers from nuclear ICBMs is impossible in the current era.

Just because they had 1 ICBM fly a long distance, it doesn't mean that they can reliably do it again. Source: they regularly have missiles just explode or crash. Then they also need to produce it in meaningful enough numbers, because launching just 1 won't get them anywhere.

>>35056990
>It's a deterrent.
Except when it takes a formerly annoying hostile loudmouth nation to a actual nuclear threat against the US in the hands of said hostile nation.
Then it becomes a reason for a first strike.

Not to mention i doubt NK has any second strike abilities unless they by some miracle have managed to sneak one of their old noisy diesel subs unto a US harbor for a suicide detonation.

Anybody else unironically hoping trump is actually fucking nuts and just NOPES and orders a nuclear first strike against these people?

Does anybody really understand what NK is going to do with their weapons? they will take the world hostage. All sanctions lifted. And their alliance with china will lead to a second cold war that could lead to actual nuclear war.

Im literally not seeing the downsides of laying down 15 weapons on NK soil. and destroying everything that has wheels or treads or a roof with the remaining aircraft weapons we have in our inventory.

WHY DO WE GIVE A FUCK IF SK GETS LIT UP WITH ARTY OR A NUKE TIPPED MISSLE

WHO ARE OUR MILITARY LEADERS THAT THEY ARE ALLOWING THIS SHIT.


NUKE THEM. NOW. BEFORE THEY CAN DEPLOY THESE WEAPONS AND WIN FOREVER.

THE ONLY REAL FUCKING WAY WE ARE GOING TO STOP GLOBAL NUCLEAR PROLIFERATION IS A DEMONSTRATION OF WHAT AN ACTUAL NUCLEAR STRATEGIC STRIKE LOOKS LIKE

IRAN WOULD IMMEDIATELY ROLL OVER AND BEG FORGIVENESS

NK IS LITERALLY TURNING ME INTO A 50s ERA NEOCON

>>35057009
>Then it becomes a reason for a first strike.

You can't nuke people because you don't like them or they don't like you, anon.
That's why US didn't nuke China or Pakistan when they got their own nukes.

No, the moment a nation has the capability to send you nuclear presents is the moment you have to stop fucking with them. It's as simple as that.
You also generally need a good casus belli and mere propaganda only gets you favorable outlooks from your own population, not the rest of the world, which now sees you as a trigger-happy nuclear aggressor who doesn't care about millions of his own people's lives.

>>35057009
>not wanting SF to turn to ash

lets be realistic there are immediate upsides to NK hitting the west coast.

1. LOL die liberals die
2. We would likely be forced into space militarily rapidly at a rate other nations could not match. And would have superiority. We would need musk though and he is such a huge faggot he would probly refuse and move to belize

>>35057048

>Does anybody really understand what NK is going to do with their weapons? t

My fear is that they will somehow use this threat to reunify the peninsula through some major crisis and the world will back down rather than risk a nuclear war.

Selling a first world country into absolute slavery is unacceptable to my morals. This is why I support a first strike.

Let's get our fucking multicultural CIA to get some goddamn intel on nuclear and ballistic targets to hit, and let's hit them. As we do that, low yield tactical nuclear strikes on the NK side of the DMZ to suppress enemy concentrations and reduce the threat to SK civilians by artillery and chemical attacks.

If China or Russia even give us a nasty look, sink some goddamn ships. I'm so tired of these communist anti-American fucks.

>>35056934
The issue is that they don't have the same formal early warning or communications systems in place that other nuclear powers do, increasing, at least in the short to mid term, the likelihood of miscalculation and thus of war. That's the real kicker.

>>35057048
>And their alliance with china will lead to a second cold war that could lead to actual nuclear war.
Chine won't lift a finger against the west if they decide it's time to remodel the NK countryside with mushroom clouds.
The only reason they still give a shit is that they don't want hordes of starving NK refugees overrunning their border, and with the correct dosage of megatons there won't be any refugees.

>>35057062
>You can't nuke people because you don't like them or they don't like you, anon.
No, you nuke them because they have for the last 50+ years stated over and over again that they are going to lay waste to your country and your population, only they never before had the means to do so so it was all just empty threats.

Now they have the means, so it's time to shoot the rabid dog before it breaks lose of its chain.

>>35057062
>thats why US didnt nuke pakistan or china

WHICH WAS A FUCKING MISTAKE. A CATASTROPHIC POTENTIALLY WORST DECISION EVER MADE , MISTAKE.

The first rule of nuclear weapons is you never allow anybody else to have them. And you should probly use nuclear weapons as a tool to make sure that never happens.


The reality is this. We have two options

1. We annihilate NK with the full force of our entire military which has never been seen before Including nuclear strikes

2. We sit on our cunts and watch over the next 2-3 years as they pressure the world to lift all sanctions and they actually succeed. Creating a nuclear armed ally to china run by a fat retard that will keep the US , or any other military , out of the pacific for good. And we are in a second cold war that could go hot the second the global economy tanks.

>>35057076
>china doesnt like NK meme

Nigger who do you think is building all this shit for them.

NK getting nukes is chinese naval strategy for the pacific.

If they even moderately didnt like NK kim would be dead and all the nukes would be gone.

CHINA
WANTS
THIS

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>>35052062
official launch video

https://youtu.be/cW2tu2_ic18

official soundtrack

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcFcjUtJ8zU

>>35057087
>The first rule of nuclear weapons is you never allow anybody else to have them. And you should probly use nuclear weapons as a tool to make sure that never happens.
This is what i don't understand about the start of the cold war, the US had atomic bombs way ahead of the Soviets.
Should have nuked St Petersburg and told them to GTFO of Europe or the next ones goes on Moscow and every major military hub in west Russia.

>>35057067
>Selling a first world country into absolute slavery is unacceptable to my morals.

Says the guy whose country orders around most of the western world while only ever looking after their own interests, destabilized several regions of the world, infiltrated and compromised the national security of virtually all of its allies, with set up viruses to blow up nuclear power plants, destroy electricity and communication networks in all of them.

Yeah, you sound like a bunch of wonderful, morals abiding chaps.

You just want to see nukes on the TV to stroke your peen online. Without a single regard for the people who will die horrible deaths for your asinine entertainment.

>>35057105
probly because the worst war the world had ever seen just happened.

The better idea would have been to just unleash patton on the soviets the second he got to berlin


In the case of china we should have nuked beijing during the korean war. And we should have nuked north vietnam too.

In fact we should have nuked grenada too.

>>35056184
Japan makes plutonium already.

>>35057104
>no test footage

Boring.

>>35055865
>>35057125
Oh i am so hoping Japan just loses it's shit over NK and just goes back to their time honored Nippon Banzai traditions of killing Koreans.

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>>35052306
This. Obama should have done it since Bush didn't. Trump should do it. If he doesn't whoever comes after him should do it.

Communist nations should not be permitted to exist unless destroying it would come at too great a cost. Communist nations shouldn't be able to threaten the West under any circumstances. Communists are like SJWs, they can't be appeased. Give them an inch, and they just keep going. The only way to beat them is to never give in.

>>35057113
>wah wah people will die

Nigger do you understand what will happen if we are pushed out of the pacific by a NK+chinese nuclear alliance? Hell at that point guess what. Russia would probly sign on and so would india.

This is a situation where america literally needs to go full satan and trump needs to condemn his soul to hell for the betterment of the world because we are looking at the collapse of the american empire and the nullification of our forces in the pacific

You dont want to live in a chinese century

its very simple math

>Nuke strike NK and shock the world. Any nations with ongoing weapons programs (iran) are told to cease immediately or see their capitals in ruin.

Or your gay option

>sit and watch as they begin atmospheric tests. Get the world to bend to their threats. They become competent economically. And they are a permanent hostile threat to any american presence in the pacific. China begins military expansion and eventually we are on the cusp of a second cold war, one that could go hot and end civilization


The math is simple. We need to kill all of them. And destroy everything they have before christmas time

>>35056890
If shit gets hot, the war will be over before you could sign the paperwork. If you're lucky you can walk around near the crater in NBC gear shooting meth-withdrawing mutants in a year's time.

>>35057125

Not intentionally. It's no where near grade and there is no where near enough for weapons. They don't have the technology either to assemble nukes or launch vehicles.

The Jap's have to just sit and wet themselves over NK. They can't do anything.

>>35052961
>>35056783
What if after all this time we find out that Oppenheimer is some nork Nuclear scientist and we're all fugged?

>>35057161
He is just some larper that newfags love to ask questions that can easily be googled.

>>35057147
there wont be anything "to do" about north korea once they have hydrogen bombs on more than 20 missles that can hit the US.

This is less than 2 years away.

Shit like this makes me hate myself for going CBRN in the army. Fuck.

>>35057158
Any nuclear weapons expert would put japan's breakout time at 6 months.


I wouldn't be surprised if Japan has a secret nuke stash.

>>35057170
>secret nuke stash

dude there are probly hikikimoris putting them together in their closet apartments as a hobby

>>35057166

I'm an oldfag, very old fag. I was here when bit's about his person were being leaked and where he worked. He isn't LARP'ing. Opp is legit.

We used to have some seriously knowledgeable guys on here. As usual anon get jealous and chases off the trips worth a damn.

>>35052062
Remember how much everybody loved war, America and apple pie after 9/11? I'm pretty sure if America gets nuked, anybody who helped the Norks in any way is getting annihilated.

>>35057170

>Any nuclear weapons expert would put japan's breakout time at 6 months.

Links to the studies?

>>35057048
Just goes to show how much you people know about how wars are declared.
Trump has no saying on the matter there are internal committees in DoD that decide what will happen next.

>>35057185
china is almost completely responsible for all of it so no

>>35057178
Yeah if you say so.

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>>35057125

>Japan makes plutonium already.

Any country that operates nuclear power plants "makes" plutonium, it's just that plutonium that comes from a commercial light water reactor is useless for bombs.

And most of the Japanese plutonium is at the reprocessing plants at La Hague and Sellafield because the reprocessing plant and the MOX fuel plant at Rokkasho aren't operational yet.

>>35057167
Thats what something should be done now. Every lost second makes the Norks more dangerous.

>>35055231

>conveniently

It was a long time ago. People thought things would have turned out differently with Kim.

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>>35057190
1. We are still at war with north korea you stupid fag

2. The president is the commander in chief of the military. If he wanted to end NK all he would need is a phone call to mattis and the nuclear football and 15 minute wait. There are no "committees" that can stop that. You are a stupid fag if you think war in the 21st century with nuclear weapons is democratic. you are dumber than dog shit

Every democrat who cried about trump having the nuclear codes is right. He literally has the power to pick up a phone and kill a billion people

>>35057217
Oh Jesus Christ is everyone child on this board.

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>>35057217
>He literally has the power to pick up a phone and kill a billion people

>>35057212
If trump doesnt go to total war with north korea before christmas. Yes. We will live in a completely different world and the military situation in the pacific will change totally almost in the blink of an eye.

Carrier battle groups are not that effective when you have 50,000 dollar nork mini subs with nuclear torpedos

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>>35055231

>The bigger question is why has the US media conveniently forgotten bill clintons role in them getting a nuclear reactor in the first place?

The 5MW reactor at Yongbyon was built in the 80s.
How the fuck did Clinton play a role in that?

>>35057227
The only thing stopping such and event is human intervention. Not administrative , legal , or constitutional.

The president can nuke anybody anywhere anytime. The only thing that could stop him is someone down the line be it the SOD or the guy literally launching the missile (this one has happened before) saying "no fuck you"

In this case which would be treason

>>35055761
Underated kek

>>35057167

No because absolute power corrupts absolutely. If Kim really does get the capability to reliably hit the mainland US, he will invade Seoul because he will think he can get away with it. The west would either have to destroy him or appease him, the latter of which will turn him into another Hitler and he will attempt to bite off another target (say Taiwan or one of the Jap islands) until someone decides enough is enough and totally annihilates them.

But it probably won't get to that point. Kim is escalating things and everyone knows what the end stage is; Seoul invaded and millions dead. Kim will be bombed before that point occurs.

>>35057262
>kim
>going after taiwan
nah, China's already basically convinced the world that Taiwan is part of it

>>35057262
>he will invade seoul

with what? Rusted BTR's with seized transmissions and SKS armed 80 pound teenage schoolgirls?

>>35057227

It isn't wrong. The entire Command structure of the military has been based upon the idea that the President's orders to fire/not fire should be immediately and effortlessly implemented without question. People beneath the administration are taught to assume they don't know the entire picture and have to trust their leaders. Within the administration, the only person capable of possibly stopping a launch order is the Secretary of Defense, but there is not legal basis for such a thing and it would be rendered moot as the President could immediately fire him.

Anyway, if a launch order was put onto a CO's desk, there is no way for anyone other than the President to stop the troops from immediately preforming their orders. This is a well known issue one which people were talking about back in November when Trump was first elected.

>>35057272

He could invade Seoul with rusty PPSHs but it wouldn't matter if he was backed by a functional nuclear arsenal. Which is why it won't be allowed to get to that point.

>>35057286
exactly

however uncomforatble it makes the average american. Our president is a nuclear dictator and the only thing that could stop a nuclear attack ordered by him is an immediate coup by those in the room with him or a miraculous mass treason by those launching the missles.

There is no american democracy involved with our nuclear arsenal.

>>35057290
>he was backed by a nuclear arsenal

pro tip with a single boat / plane trip we could give south korea a dozen nuclear weapons ready to go

That is of course if SK doesnt already have a secret nuclear arsenal which is probly does.

>>35057067
>How to become a paria state 101
>also let's start nuclear war with the chinks and Russians while we're at it

So why did Israel help North Korea develop their hydrogen bomb? I don't get it.

>>35057242
just like with Obama's Iran nuclear deal. Clinton let North Korea keep their "peaceful civilian nuclear program" in exchange for a promise not to build nuclear weapons.

North Korea was going through a famine at the time. So Kim Jong IL started a nuclear weapons program. So he could black mail countries into giving him aid.

>>35057206
Kim the Second had a south korean airliner bombed. thinking he could get the other communist nations to boycott the Seoul Olympics because it was "dangerous". He kidnapped a movie director and actresses. So he could make movies.

>>35055865
Both would need to withdraw from the NPT, which while the NPT kind of sort of provides an out for situations like this, would still generate enormous backlash.

>>35057365
Hey oppenheimer if we were to do a nuclear first strike against NK what would it look like

Make a new thread this one is locked

>>35056549
Not trying to argue this point, but the US had about 2000 warheads in the mid 1950's. The Soviets had less than 500, and only about 40 bomber aircraft.

You are very badly underestimating the effects a US strike would have had on the Soviets ability to wage a conventional war.

>>35057400
should have let MacArthur nuke the Chinese.

the worst thing that could happen is Germany and Austria becoming a conventional war zone.

>>35057170
>Any nuclear weapons expert would put japan's breakout time at 6 months.

To build all new reactors and plutonium extraction facilities (from fuel designed for plutonium production, not the Pu-240 contaminated shit they currently have) before getting the whole thing up and running THEN producing enough material for a bomb which THEN has to be fabricated into said bomb(s) (plutonium isn't easy to form and there's plenty of other tricky bits of engineering in nuclear weapons before you touch a single atom of fissile material.

It's several colossal . The only way the plutonium Japan currently has could be made into a weapon is if they reprocess it into MOX and use the neutrons to irradiate fresh uranium slugs.

>>35057286
>This is a well known issue
Feature, not a bug.

>>35057441
>It's several colossal .
*engineering projects running simultaneously

would complex solar panel electronics be damaged by an EMP? There is an awful lot of FUD online about the specific impacts of one

>>35057374
If a new one pops up and I have time, I'll chime in.

>>35057453
Yes.

>>35057316
With ___ you lose?

>>35057459
how so? The controllers, computer, panels themselves...?

>>35057443
>Feature, not a bug.
this is not reassuring

>>35057453
No.

EMP effects are based on antenna length. The worst-hit will be the power grid... which is designed to survive high-voltage transients. Smaller electronics ahve too small antennas to be seriously affected.

>>35057504
The controller and computer would get overvolted and probably bricked.
The panel would be in trouble because it is literally designed to capture energy, so when too much energy is coming down, it is vulnerable.A densely packed photovoltaic array would become a series of spark gaps.