The Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor

>Spend your entire life from birth being raised to believe that your emperor is an immortal, invincible deity and that you are his loyal and protected servant
>All other races are lower than cockroaches and are destined to be enslaved
>People act surprised when people with this mindset and upbringing decide to attack the most powerful army in world history

Zealots are morons, OP.

>>35050287
Short term worked great, long term invented anime

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>>35050287
They were basically hoping such a sudden devastating attack would make America consider that it's not even worth to act back.
Also that the Gundam would be ready in time before the nukes

>>35050360
So basically a failed attempt at "Shock & Awe".

>>35050287
They should have attacked the USSR instead to help out Germany.

>>35050429
Khalkhin Gol

Japan got humiliated fighting the Soviets in 39. When the Soviet Army was still a bunch of peasants and the good leaders were going to the gulags.

>>35050287
Hoping for a repeat of their victory of Russia in the Russo-Japanese War. Where a couple of lopsided naval victories for Japan forced the Russians to surrender.

>>35050287
>US putting oil blockade on your country
>have just enough fuel to pull a hail mary
>destroy a bunch of ships from the US fleet that would have been part of the blockade
>unfortunately for them, a bunch of ships were out at sea
then
>be japan
>get nuked

>>35050487
>blockade
no. the usa froze Japan's foreign accounts. which kept them from buying oil. Japan's oil would have come from British Malaysia. Which you will notice, the Japanese went straight for SEAsia after crippling the US Pacific Forces.

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Pre emptive strike to cripple America's fleet (remember, it was sheer coincidence that most of our battleships were out of docks on that morning), and hoping that our people wouldn't want to get involved in another world war.

Due to our oil embargo they legit only had around an year's worth of fuel reserve left, so they wanted to expand aggressively south for the....I don't remember right now, but there were oil refineries on some southern islands.

>>35050429
Every night I cry myself to sleep knowing that in our timeline Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany never got to link forces for some COMBINED OPERATIONS. Just imagine, German divisions operating alongside Japanese, wonder what they'd think of how reckless and selfless the Japanese are, their navy of battleships and subs. And on the other hand the Japanese get to witness true mechanized divisions and panzerdivisions along with the Luftwaffe/Fallschirmjagers and all the industrial might (compared to Japan....) Germany had.

This is true blue balling, I don't even care if Axis still ends up losing, I just want to wank over this wet dream. Could go on all day, but seriously, just imagine both nations cooperating on the battlefield and in strategy meetings, god what a sight

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>>35050518
>Attack the USSR
>Seize Vladivostok
>Grind down trying to fight a second large land war while you've already got China to handle
>Run out of oil, since you're not invading the DEI
>Soviets ignore you once your advance stops for lack of fuel.
>Economy collapses
>Government collapses
>Military collapses
>But hey, a 4chan retard will approve of your colossal idiocy due to a wet dream.

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Here is a fap story for you guys.

>>35050592
there is oil in Manchuria. Japan should have paused their expansion to develop domestic resources.

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>>35050287
FDR backed them into a corner, they didn't have a choice.

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>>35050287
Japs thought they could destroy the majority of the US navy in one strike.
ZOG got a wind of it and sent away all the important stuff.
Everything else was a sacrifice for Moloch.

>>35050518
Our carriers weren't there not battleships

>>35050287
"Yamamoto proposed instead to seek a decision with the Americans by first reducing their forces with a preventive strike, and following it with a "decisive battle" fought offensively, rather than defensively. Yamamoto hoped, but probably did not believe, that if the Americans could be dealt terrific blows early in the war they might be willing to negotiate an end to the conflict."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isoroku_Yamamoto

http://www.psywarrior.com/JleafletsPacWWII.html
>These leaflets are being dropped to notify you that your city has been listed for destruction by our powerful air force. The bombing will begin within 72 hours.

>This advance notice will give your military ample time to take the necessary defensive measure to protect you from our inevitable attack. Watch and see how powerless they are to protect you.

>We give the military clique this notification of our plans because we know there is nothing they can do to stop our overwhelming power and our iron determination. We want you to see how powerless the military is to protect you.

>Systematic destruction of city after city will continue as long as you blindly follow your military leaders whose blunders have placed you on the very brink of extinction. It is your responsibility to overthrow the military government now and save what is left of your beautiful country.

>In the meantime; we urge all civilians to evacuate at once.

>>35050481
Japan got humiliated fighting the best general the Soviets had. If they would have invaded at the same time the Germans, they don't even have to win. They just had to stall Zhukov and stop the Russians from bringing all their forces on the Eastern front to the western front. Without all those troops the Germans steamroll Moscow and Stalingrad
>>35050592
There's all kinds of oil in Siberia. The Russians produced 27 million metric tons of oil in Siberia in 1936.

>>35050610
Fucken hot

Literal racism. They honestly believed that they were morally and spiritually so superior to corrupt, decadent Western governments that they could knock America out of the war easily, completely ignoring the staggering economic disparities.

>>35050322
>Zealots are morons, OP.
Trump supporters didn't get the memo.

>>35050322

I love sushi tho senpai

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>>35050913

>>35050920
I love Japan, period!

Post more jap getting fucked by america memes please

>>35050814
>There's all kinds of oil in Siberia. The Russians produced 27 million metric tons of oil in Siberia in 1936.
Source? 90% of the Soviet Union's total production of 30 million tons of oil in 1938 came from the Caucasus, along with 65% of its proven or probable reserves, according to this:
https://repository.library.georgetown.edu/bitstream/handle/10822/557628/Toprani_georgetown_0076D_11993.pdf?sequence=1
page 491, note 25

>>35050287
Autistic screeching over an oil embargo

Because we must get resources from China by force instead of trade like normal people

>>35051267
But chinese are not people and should be dealt with accordingly

t. Tojo

>>35050648
The Japanese back themselves into a corner. They could've just stopped invading china and attacking neutral country (including the USA).

>>35051251
http://www.self.gutenberg.org/articles/Siberian_natural_resources

In metric tons
Table of Total production (for 45 oil well areas)

1901: 11,000,000
1913: 7,627,000
1920: 2,915,000
1928: 11,625,400
1932: 21,413,200
1936: 27,337,700

>>35051329
Not sure what you are trying to prove. Siberia is large, and Siberian oil is found in western Siberia which is out of Japanese reach. It would have been literally more realistic for the Japanese to conquer California for its oil than western Siberia.

>>35050913
Neither did the Berniebros or the Shillary fans those idiots that are partisan Democrats or Republicans or do those cumsucking Nazis and Communists who practice failed 19th-20th century ideologies in modern day America, which has been vehemently opposed to both .If you're going to shitpost, at least be less blatant about it

>>35051408
My main point is that you're seeming to try and argue that it would have been worthless for the Japanese to invade Russia because they wouldn't have had oil from the DEI. Which is irrelevant if the Emperor goes with the Imperial armies plan of going north into Russia at the same time as Barbarossa, because the Navy was the ones that needed the oil most, and the needed it because they were shipping troops all around the pacific. If Zhukov can't get back with the troops on the Manchukuoian border, it doesn't matter if the Japanese can't get to the oil because the Japanese fleet is sitting in port using little resources and the Japanese army isn't mechanized. Theres a reason the Japanese had 50,000 troops using bicycles.

Once the Germans take Moscow and Stalingrad, the Russian front is over anyway, and this isn't even getting into how many troops the Germans could have just brought to the Eastern front because if the Japanese never attack America, America may never enter the war.
and not that the Japanese would have known exactly where, but there are 4.7 billion barrels of oil in eastern Siberia too.
Source https://books.google.com/books?id=uy3hBwAAQBAJ page 121

>>35050287
Asians have this mindset where they commit atrocities to intimidate their opponents so they'll surrender/remain peaceful instead of going to war. Westerners instead see atrocities as casus belli and as a (moral) justification for going to war

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>>35050936
>username

>>35050487
>>35050518
>Pre-emptive strike to cripple the US navy
>In shallow water
>In a major port with full repair facilities
>Without bombing any said facilities

>>35050287
>Be blockaded and embargoed
>Dwindling supply of oil
>Look southward to the Philippines and Dutch East Indies for more oil
>Realize that the U.S. will come to fuck your shit up if you invade
>Hope to stall or dissuade U.S. from attacking by bombing the crap out of their Navy
>Turns out half the fleet including aircraft carriers weren't there
>SleepingGiantAwakens.gif
>Running DoolittleRaid.exe

>>35052165
They did bomb the facilities but it got repaired fast. Think of it as a sucker punch to daze the US long enough for the Japs to make a run for SEA oil fields. Also know that Battleship fags were the dominant force in the Jap navy and thought that killing US BBs at Pearl Harbor was enough. Fucking BB fags ruining everything.

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>>35050287

>>35052296
We should have just went ahead with dropping all six nukes instead of just two and launched a chemical attack on japan.

Why the fuck did the United States just dropped only two nukes then called it a day? Why not go full out attack on Japan and wiped out that country? Aren't the Japanese afraid of americans anymore?

>>35050913
The only people zealous are the kekistani kids

>>35052387
Because they surrendered after the second and even if they didn't, it would've taken some time for the third. There's also the problem of Russians knocking from the north. It's still hotly debated whether the nukes, or Russian involvement had the more impact into making Japan surrender.

They knew that if they wanted to expand their empire, the US would get involved. So they decided to strike first since war was inevitable

>>35052253
They were actually looking for the carriers too but since they just found the battlewagons, they'll have to make do with those.

>>35051685
>the Imperial armies plan of going north into Russia at the same time as Barbarossa
There was no such plan for the simple reason that Japan did not know that Barbarossa was a thing. Northern expansion movement existed, but you are indulging in fantasy if you think it was ever a plan to coordinate an attack on the USSR with Germany.

>>35052434
But why didn't the americans just continue to attack Japan?

Wasn't america crying out for japanese blood?

>>35051685
>If Zhukov can't get back with the troops on the Manchukuoian border
What the hell are you talking about? Zhukov wasn't at the Manchukou border when Germany attacked.

>>35052517
Here's a funny thing that's called "liberals and Japanese sympathizers"

>>35052387
The plan had always been to nuke Germany and Japan simultaneously, so they were more a victim of circumstance in that regard. The firebombing was more destructive than a small air-burst nuke anyway.

>>35052517
Because the war was not a war of extermination. Your average American had little sympathy for the average Japanese, but had little desire to exterminate the Japanese if it meant a huge cost in the lives of more American soldiers/pilots/sailors/muhreens.

>>35052556
>The firebombing was more destructive than a small air-burst nuke anyway.
It took weeks of firebombing by hundreds of bombers to achieve what a small air-burst nuke did.

>>35052165
Also don't forget about that Nagumo faggot who didn't want to loose any carriers so he launched the second wave and got back to Japan

Is it true the kamikazes were on meth?

>>35052576
And they already had thousands of bombers and incendiaries, they didn't have a surplus of nukes.

>>35052165
Bombing facilities does nothing, as they are easier to fix than boats. Japs' puny 200 single-engine bomber attack had very limited amount of ordnance available. Nothing that could disable an island.

>>35052606
That's nice but the point is people severely underestimate what a tiny nuke can do.

>>35052556
>>35052558
But again why stop from there?

Why couldn't america just continue to use their planes to drop the rest of the planned nukes they had and as well firebombed other cities of japan then launch an invasion once Japanese were forced into submission and the military was destroyed and took over the throne and cast hiro out in public to the surviving japanese?

>>35052615
What's the point in invading them if they've already been forced into submission?

>>35052624
Because they bombed Pearl Harbor and insulted the united states and tortured captured americans as well never allowed them to return home until decades later.

>>35052576
>>35052613
A single conventional raid on Tokyo on 9 March, 1945 killed and wounded more than either nuke, possibly more than both combined. The nukes were dropped more for demonstrative purposes than intentional destruction.

>>35052655
>A single conventional raid on Tokyo on 9 March, 1945 killed and wounded more than either nuke, possibly more than both combined
Casualty numbers for the Tokyo raid is an extremely imprecise estimate whose median point puts it below either nuke's effect.
And dropping the nuke on Tokyo would've easily tripled casualty numbers from that nuke.
honestly do not post again, ever.

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>>35052517
>But why didn't the americans just continue to attack Japan?
Because Japan unconditionally surrendered thereby fulfilling all the allied war aims

>>35052558
Around 30% of the US population thought the Japanese race should of been wiped out, and would of been okay with it.

>>35052615
>>35052644
Because the surrender took place before they were scheduled to be dropped? If you continue shitting on a surrendered enemy, your allies will recognize you for the faggot that you are and you will lose all credibility with any other major power (at best), and the surrendered power you're shitting on will recognize that the war has now become a war for survival and hold out to the bitter end, forcing you to commit incredible amounts of blood and treasure to a fight that could have ended so much sooner.

Also, those captured Americans? Good luck getting them back if you decide on being a shithead and continuing the war.

>>35052673
No less imprecise than the hiroshima/nagasaki numbers. If the intention was destruction over demonstration why not hit Tokyo? Why air burst? Why split up the nukes?

>>35052675
>>35052680
Not the same guy your replying to (probably a warmongering psycho/antman) but can we pretend that for the sake of this scenario the united states decides to continue to attack japan aling with proceeding with the scheduled nuke drops, fire bombings, chemical attacks and finally launching an invasion to overthrow their leader and captivate their destroyed nation?

How would it play out? (Assumig the allies just didn't intervene because they don't want to fuck with america at this point)

>>35052737
>along

>>35052737
Well assuming that after all of that is done and america decides to give Japan some self governance and control back, the Japanese and Japan itself would be extremely terrified as hell towards america and will try to get on America's goodside to the point it gets creepy and disturbing.

Also the rest of the world will learn a lesson from Japan's mistake is that "don't piss america off or attack one of it's controlled areas unless you want to end up like Japan"

>>35051326
But they needed the raw materials senpai

>>35052680
America should have just continued on attacking Japan and forced them to the point they will literally die without accepting their demise and their fate as in accept america as their new ruling nation instead of their own emperor.

America should have invaded afterwards and either overthrow the emperor or publicly execute the emperor and have it publicly shown to the rest of the world as a warning to anyone that wants to try and attack america again.

>>35052510
The Japanese had a plan to invade the USSR and their ally Germany had a plan to invadethe USSR
Do the math on whether or not they knew the other was thinking about it, regardless of if the Japanese didn't have "Operation Barbarossa" written on a piece of paper.
>>35052527
afaik, the last battle Zhukov was a commander at before Barbarossa was Khalkhin Gol. Zhukov wasn't a commander at the first few major battles either, such as Smolensk or Brody. That tells me he wasn't there, which tells me he hadn't left Manchukuo yet

>>35052778
>>35052811
If you can't think like a non-edgelord, this discussion is pointless.

>>35050287
They seen the Brits do it to the Italians at Taranto and thought it was a great idea.

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>>35050287
Mein Fuhrer, the Japs have just attacked Perl Harbor.

>>35052644
>insulted the united states
You should look up the Panay incident and the conspiracies regarding it. More than a few historians think it was the first attempt by pro-war factions in Japan to instigate war w/ the US.

Also, consider that relations between the US and European powers in Asia and the Pacific was actually quite bad during and after the war. The British landed a division in Indonesia to put down an independence movement and help reinstall the Dutch despite American opposition. The French were extremely upset the US wouldn't use aircraft stationed in China to help them hold onto Vietnam. Both opposed American attempts to have non-traditional powers added to the UN security council. Sparing what you could in Japan and crafting them into an ally doesn't seem like a bad idea.

This makes me want to get on hearts of iron 4 and play as america and just drop as many nukes as i can on japan and destroy japan entirely before invading whats left of it afterwards.

>>35052858
>yay radiation sickness for our troops.

Should have used the RAF's ridiculous gas stockpiles instead.

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>>35050287
>Be Jap
>At War with Chinks n shit
>America is supplying them and sending troops secretly
>America is slowly talking parts of the paific
>See that war is inevitable
>Decide to attack now rather then later when they have more land
>Fight and die with honor
>Be 2017
>Anon calls you "Retarded"

>>35052858
You should play with nukemap for a better idea on how improbably that scenario would be with WW2-era bombs.

https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/

What do you guys think the odds were of some kind of negotiated peace between Japan and China in 1940 or so where Japan doesn't completely lose face and restores its trade with the west?

>>35052872
It gives our troops bonus points in superman strength and powers with ten percent minus on vitality overtime.

>>35050348
So win-win all around?

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>>35050610

>>35052858
>>35052872

No significant fallout from tiny ww2 airburst bombs. If you weren't in the explosion's radiation radius, wouldn't be an issue.

Why didn't the united states just dropped the nuclear bomb on top of the emperor's head instead of using it on two cities?

>>35052977
>kill the leader you love


That would just make them angrier and more determined

>>35053013
Then bomb the military bases and hospitals after bombing the leader so that they think twice before thinking about standing up again.

>>35053044
Bomb a hospital.......classy.

>>35050387
yes. same for the entrenched island defense who faced certain defeat and 100% casualty. they bet on weak stomachs at home for such intense costs for little pieces of dirt with enough space for runways.

>>35052812
>Zhukov wasn't a commander at the first few major battles either, such as Smolensk or Brody. That tells me he wasn't there, which tells me he hadn't left Manchukuo yet

Your logic is retarded and so are you. Zhukov was made chief of the Red Army's general staff after Khalkin Gol. The general staff was located in Moscow. He spent '40 and '41 overseeing war games. If you believe for a second that the chief of the general staff of any army is left dicking around in a backwater province commanding a field army opposing an enemy which you have signed a treaty with, you are retarded. Zhukov was still chief of the general staff when the Germans invaded, but he was removed from the post after suggesting that the Red Army abandon Kiev before 600k men were surrounded. In September 1941 he was made head of the Leningrad front, overseeing its defence. In October he was made chief of the western and reserve front. A cursory google search revealed you as a moron, eat a dick.

>>35052902
>severely underestimate the production capabilities of America
>in the 20 years time it took to build up the combined fleet, America builds a bigger one in 3 years

>>35053063
total war does not require any amount of class or cool dude. it's a painful pill to swallow and luckily one we don't have to eat very often

>>35052678
90% of internet statistics are made up on the spot.

>>35053223
14% of men think guns are people

>>35053063
Didn't Little Boy detonate right above a hospital? I know they were actually aiming for a bridge

>>35052812
>Do the math on whether or not they knew the other was thinking about it, regardless of if the Japanese didn't have "Operation Barbarossa" written on a piece of paper.
There is no need to do the math on historical fact. We know for a fact that Japan had no idea of an impending German attack on the USSR.

>afaik, the last battle Zhukov was a commander at before Barbarossa was Khalkhin Gol. Zhukov wasn't a commander at the first few major battles either, such as Smolensk or Brody. That tells me he wasn't there, which tells me he hadn't left Manchukuo yet
Again, maybe you shouldn't try to reconstruct well known historical facts with your imagination.

>>35053238
20% of guns think dicks are kawaii

>>35050287
There's a book called the china mirage which addresses this question. I recommend it.

>>35052680
>If you continue shitting on a surrendered enemy, your allies will recognize you for the faggot that you are and you will lose all credibility with any other major power

You're the kind of person who accepts insincere appologies aren't you?

If a man stabs you, but does not kill you, you have one option; kill him. Any other action will eventually result in your being labeled a target and your being attacked by SOMEONE if not the orignial guy.

If the US had 100% obliterated Japan; destroyed them as a nation, ended their culture and reduced their genetic presence to a few hundred thousand world wide so that slowly over the cource of the century that followed their genetic line died out and melted into that of the world's, no sane nation would ever risk the wrath of the US ever again. And the few insane ones would QUICKLY be wiped out by either the US or their own neighbors for fear of being caught in the crossfire the next time the US went to war.

TL;DR Never leave a live enemy behind you. In fact, if at all possible, crucify him for everyone else to watch die. So they don't miss the fucking point.

>>35053694
Yeah US did that and guess what, Japan has been a great ally and a stabilizing presence in the Far Eas-- wait, I thought bad things were supposed to happen if you don't kill 100 million people?

>>35052826
Ad Homenem is not an argument

>>35053704
>Japan has been a stabilizing presence
Considering that the japanese (as a culture, if not as individuals) detest foreigners and are generally despised by every asian nation....

>>35053739
>Considering that the japanese (as a culture, if not as individuals) detest foreigners and are generally despised by every asian nation...
Yeah, considering that, they have been a stabilizing presence in the Far East and a powerful ally to the US.

>>35053706
you're a fucking faggot.

>>35052553
No, the goal of the war was to beat them, not exterminate them.

>>35053739
have fun fighting your forever war, hopefully you can pay for it...

>>35053706
>Ad Homenem is not an argument
True, but knowing when to stop fighting a massive world war WILL have a legitimate argument accompanying it...

>>35050287
They were thinking the Americans were a bunch of cowards that would back down if they got a devastating attack but all it did was rally them.

>>35050287
"maybe if we destroy the pacific fleet before we take over the pacific we'll be able to do it without them bothering us"

terrible idea

>>35053866
>stop fighting a massive world war
The war never ended anon. The participants merely shifted and the fighting cooled down from a rolling boil to a gentle simmer; but it's never stopped.

Conflict is the natural state of man. Peace is an ideal we deduce because we perceive local lulls in the war.

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>>35053939
>The war never ended anon. The participants merely shifted and the fighting cooled down from a rolling boil to a gentle simmer; but it's never stopped.
No, dummy it ended with a surrender document being signed by both nations.

>Conflict is the natural state of man. Peace is an ideal we deduce because we perceive local lulls in the war.
You sound like a massive chode.

>>35050429
They did and Georgy Zhukov ass raped them so bad that they left the Red alone for the remainder of the war.

>>35052387
They actually dropped the first one and asked "are you still gonna keep struggling?" and Japan was all like "you want mirrion dorrar? too bad, here bomb". So they nuked them again. Then the Japs gave up.

>>35053952
and you sound like a man who repeats the same mistakes over and over again.

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>>35054324
You are coming off as a haughty and pretentious armchair general that is too idealistic to stop sniffing its own farts.

>>35050287
That probably belongs to /his/ honestly, but hey, whatever.

They were desperate to take full control of Asia, including Philippines and Indonesia, and attempts to take those territories were blocked by the US threat. Pearl Harbor gave the a head start... But they clearly overestimated the damage they made/could make. Imo Japan would come out better if they'd attack USSR instead of the US in 1941

>>35050936
That's laughable

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>>35050518
You should watch The Man in the High Castle.

>>35054746
I read the book but how's the show? Is it actually good?

>>35054770
Doesn't make sense if you scrutinize it a bit. But it's apparently every /pol/ack wet dream come true

>>35051318
>look all I'm saying is that even with us literally fucking them in the ass, mao and chiang still manage to put their little feud on their priority list. Those two are the best that they've got.

>>35050913

BLAPZINGA DRUMPFTERS!!!

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>>35052809
>What is making a trade agreement instead of sperging out on all nearby countries Alex

>>35050287

>Japan had very little steel and next to no oil
>To have an aggressive Imperial Navy, Army and Air Force you need a shitload of oil and steel
>Japan was fighting a war in China, the European powers and America who had colonies in South East Asia who were trading oil and steel to Japan said "cut that shit out or we will cut off all oil and steel"
>Japan did not want to be cuckolded by the West, they wanted to be a grand Asian empire, beholden to none
>They decide to take the oil and iron found in the Western controlled colonies by force
>Batandeathmarch.rar
>They know that the USA is fairly close in the Pacific. They also know that at the time the USA was isolationist as fuck. The concept of "Team America World Police" is only after WW2. There was honestly STILL a large contingent of Americans who wanted to stay out of the war AFTER Pearl Harbor.
>Japan launches the attack hoping that such a massive show of force would cause America to just stand down. They also fortify the living fuck out of the islands in the Pacific they captured. They hoped the crippled American fleet plus the near impervious defensive lines of islands would just make America so this one out
>It massively backfires and the greatest industrial powerhouse in the world ramps up production of warships to levels not imaginable.
>We then us American exceptionalism to literally bend the power of the atom to our will and give reality the middle finger and nuclear bukkake Japan.

The thought process wasn't unsound. They NEEDED oil and steel. They had to take those from the Western powers, and had to try to cripple their nearest competitor. They hoped that the defensive emplacements would make up for their lack of industrial capacity compared to the USA. They were wrong and the Enola Gay invented anime.

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>>35055392
Only the weak deal in a trade agreement. The strong Take what is theirs by force.

>muh honor
>Just ignore this literal sneak attack on 2200 non combatants

>>35052811
>accept america as their new ruling nation instead of their own emperor
But they did, their last god-emperor was an American.
The feudalistic fun ended after truman got butthurt at big mac living like a shogun and forced him to teach the yellow folks about democracy

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>>35055860
Forgot my image

>>35051326
>They could've just stopped invading china

They could not. They literally proposed to many times, but their terms were that the USA would stop their invasion of China as well.
USA never agreed to that, trying to do with China as they did with Phillipines at the time.

They, quite literally, didn't have a choice.

>>35050913
$0.55 has now been transferred to your account, courtesy of the Hillary Clinton 2020 Presidential Campaign™ Thank you for correcting the record!

>>35051825
>commit atrocities to intimidate their opponents
TBQH it sounds a bit like babby's first power fantasy- "if they see how big and strong I am they'll have no choice but to surrender to my awesomeness"

>>35052238
>>Running DoolittleRaid.exe
>also running:
>UnrestrictedAirAndSubmarineWarfare.exe

>>35054506
Nope. Just a philospher with a complete indifference to the suffering of my enemies and a strong desire to not to have my genetic line die out because of the incompetence or squeamishness of others.

There's already too many ways to die, no need to increase than number due to stupidity or foolishness.

>>35052737
South Korea would probably have fallen under Kim Il Sung's rule.

>>35052615
The Americans knew that Communism was going to be their next great enemy.

>>35056181
>The Americans knew that Communism was going to be their next great enemy.
Actually, they didn't. In fact several people had to be told pointedly to STFU about Katyn Forest and the Soviet atrocities in Europe and about the danger that Mao represented.
Patton was told specifically to keep his trap shut after his "I'd keep the war going and carry the push right into Moscow." comments.

Nobody above the Flag offiers in the field wanted to carry the fight to the commies and nobody thought that Stalin or Mao could get their shit together after seeing how poorly they had managed their nations (or portions of nations) during the years leading up to and during the war.

As a result we're STILL dealing with the political, economic and military fallout of allowing communism to thrive. The US educational system has pretty much been guttes by socialist sympathizers and half the US political landscape is either openly socialist or poorly closeted.

A properly subjugated Japan could have been used as a staging ground and forward supply base for an American push into Eastern Russia or against Mao in China. Instead we have Anime, weird-as-fuck gameshows and people fucking and eating live invertebrates while communism has pretty much wrecked the western economy and has lost every battle so hard it's winning war.

>>35050287
>What the fuck were they thinking?
That they stood a chance.

>>35052602
Everyone was on meth in the 40s, especially the military. It was the double shot mocha latte of the time.

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>>35050287
>What the fuck were they thinking?
BANZAI! BANZAI! BANZAI!

>>35056258
Not wanting to continue the war =/= not knowing that the Soviets would be the next rival. I also hope you realize that Japan was used as a staging point during the Korean war, and that was what allowed Japan to jump start its post-WWII economy. If Japan had been "properly subjugated" by your standards, it would've been a shitshow with a hostile local population. Bear in mind that Japan had plans to hold out to the bitter end.

>>35056395
>Bear in mind that Japan had plans to hold out to the bitter end
IJGS had plans to hold out to the bitter end. The average peasant ricefarner doesn;t give a shit who he has to call boss just so long as his daughters remain unraped and there's a marked for his crops. Same goes for the vast majority of craftsmen, laborers and tradesmen.

Crush the government and make it obvious that to use violence against you only leaves you and yours spattered across the countryside, but you NEVER piss off the people who actually MAKE stuff.

Pay them fairly and protect them against harm and they'll give you fair trade. It's when conquorers start with the whole "rape the horses, pillage the women, burn the fields and houses as we go" thing that peasants get pissed.

>>35050699
>I'm going to slap my massive American war dick all over your slant eyed geisha face, and you're going to sit there and fucking take it.

>>35056482
I would point out that that's not how the Japanese civilians on the Pacific Islands reacted to American occupation, if they didn't suicide immediately, they'd do anything to murder the invaders, no matter how well they were treated.

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>>35051165
This is relevant to my interests.

>>35056530
Considering the hell US forces faced fighting their way across the Pacific, those flyers were more than generous. By the time they were winding up for a decent strike at the Japanese mainland, you could probably have found support for dropping food aid at ground zero prior to the attack, just to kill more of them.

>>35053694
Here's the thing about being the least of all evils when it comes to super-powers... it results in the American hegemony.

>>35055924
Western powers had a millinia worth of figuring this shit out in the Eurasian Noah pit. Japan not so much.

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>>35056545
>And when my freedom spunk splits your squinty lids and splatters in your eyes, you fucking say thank you god-emperor Yankee-kun.

>>35054770
There are a couple story lines, including that of one the main characters, that make zero sense whatsoever. Which gets better in season 2 as the show focuses more on the Nazi/Jap characters and fleshes them out. They really carry the show and if the writers have learned anything from their convoluted tripe in season 1 they will continue with the story lines people want.

That said, production value is pretty darn good and Rufus Sewell carries the show as Obergruppenführer Smith. I wouldn't say it's /pol/'s wet dream either as the show does a good job of showing how brutal the Jap and Nazi regimes were (would be) in occupation.

>>35056360
Best Korea is best

>>35050287
>tfw You commenced Pearl Harbor 5 years earlier in 1936 and beat America in 1938 then use all the new resources to attain a 30:1 K/D ratio in war against China before finishing off with nukes in Shanghai, all in HOI4

>>35056534
Those people hadn't seen thier god-emperor or a couple of million people turned into a charcoal briquette in an instant either.

>>35057715
>commenced Pearl Harbor 5 years earlier in 1936
How is that possible? You start in 1936, but you can't get a DoW against America until at least 3 national focuses, which is almost 2 years away.

>>35058071
what? you can just start justifying since you're a fascist state

>>35057715
HOI4 needs to start differentiating between quality of gear. It's not historical sim if every medium tank is the same as all others/ every carrier fighter = all others, etc.

>>35053694
You've been in so much as a fist fight have you

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>>35050913
DREOOOO SPLOOOTS

>>35053044
That wouldn't change the fact that you just killed the emperor, decedent of the sun god. Jason would be angrier than a German who can't ruin europe

>>35056171
>with a complete indifference to the economic costs of waging total, genocidal war and a strong desire to bankrupt my country by spending beyond even its considerable means
ftfy

>>35050287
The IJN knew its window of opportunity was closing, and that it if it didn't take action then and there they would never be able to with diminishing fuel supplies. They didn't want to lose the war before it started because the IJA had been reckless, so the IJN started what they knew to be an unwinnable war for internal political reasons and not national or military ones. Hence they lost.

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>>35053694
>You're the kind of person who accepts insincere appologies aren't you?

>If a man stabs you, but does not kill you, you have one option; kill him. Any other action will eventually result in your being labeled a target and your being attacked by SOMEONE if not the orignial guy.

>If the US had 100% obliterated Japan; destroyed them as a nation, ended their culture and reduced their genetic presence to a few hundred thousand world wide so that slowly over the cource of the century that followed their genetic line died out and melted into that of the world's, no sane nation would ever risk the wrath of the US ever again. And the few insane ones would QUICKLY be wiped out by either the US or their own neighbors for fear of being caught in the crossfire the next time the US went to war.

>TL;DR Never leave a live enemy behind you. In fact, if at all possible, crucify him for everyone else to watch die. So they don't miss the fucking point.

>>35053044
Then they fight to the bitter end because they now know it's a war of survival. That shit didn't work in vietnam or the eastern front

>>35053223
90% of doctors recommend dabbing for your health

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>>35055773
>The strong Take what is theirs by force.
Is that why they lost their culture?

>>35051451
That's the entire point of shitposting tho.

>>35052940
You now realize the sailors trapped on the USS West Virginia after pearl harbor gave their lives to give us anime

>>35059563
Their sacrifice was not in Vain

>>35058634
>bankrupt my country by spending beyond even its considerable means
That had already been done back in 1918.

>>35059563
Well anime is fucking great.

>>35050287
US knew japs were gonna attack the harbor hell they goaded the japanese into attacking it so that they could justify entering ww2

>>35050287
>What the fuck were they thinking?
Disabling the majority of the US navy and any hopes of basing the remaining US fleet at pearl harbor for a long while, giving them free reign to invade the Philippines and finish invading China.
Didn't go as planned, but as another anon suggested it was really the only thing they could do if they hoped to finish the Chinese invasion.

>>35056623
that's hot

Guys what if antman went back in time and commandeered the attack on japan!?

What would happen?

>>35050360
As usual, if your war strategy depends on the enemy deciding to give up rather than on forcing them to give up, you're probably fucked. See: Hannibal, Napoleon, Hitler, etc.

>>35062538
Japan would be fucked beyond help.

>>35061683
Ah yes because we bribed them into attacking us. Next you will tell me that Roosevelt himself gave them the plans.

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>>35050287
Well, they thought America was nothing more than Shopkeepers. After all, to that day the Americans haven't shut up about how many people they lost in the Great War, or in their civil war. A massive war with Japan would be of such limited benefit to them, and could only be won at such great cost, that they would rather back down than fight it. Even if they do declare war on Japan, they won't have the stomach to stick it out to the end

>>35050287
They were thinking there would be aircraft carriers. Oops.

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>>35064758
They were right. They just severely underestimate our revenge boners

>>35050287
War

>>35050322
>zealotry is moronic

hello bugman

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>>35050610

>>35067351
But it's true

>>35052737
Soviets would have come from the north and that would be it.

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>>35053063
Talk to Obama about that.

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>>35059363
They made America bleed. you lost the Philippines

>>35050287
It was a brilliant plan, unfortunately it failed because all the american aircraft carriers escaped unharmed. Had they knocked out all the carriers the Japanese would've had free reign of the pacific for at least a few more years and the war could've gone very differently.

But they failed, and it didn't, so Japan was pretty much fucked.

>>35052902
>>Be Jap
>>At War with Chinks n shit

>1937
>being this retarded

Durrrrrr why not nuke japan six times and cause needless suffering of civilians for many years to come because I'm a dumb burger. Nukes should never be an option unless you are blowing up an asteroid or some shit.

>>35070593
>you lost the Philippines
>A barely defended with it's defence force being composed of ~30 bombers, 95% quarter trained conscripts, being led by a man who gave his first order about 3 hours after the invansion started
>Being at all impressive

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>>35070738
>the Japanese would've had free reign of the pacific for at least a few more years

aside from Admiral Lockwood's submarines

imo underestimating submarines was Japan's biggest mistake in the end

>>35070738
Only two aircraft carriers were stationed there.

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