2017 will be the year remembered when China won.

>>35037439
0.5 rice plants has been deposited to your field Chang.

>>35037439
They should just buy Russian.

>>35037439
Also, a single ship doesnt beat anything, its allways a mix of numbers, quality, doctrine and crew training.

>>35037439
Impressive, how many do they have?

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>multi function dual band radar system
I know this is a shill thread but this is what actually gets me.

We could have had one of these on the Zumwalts but because of Washington budget bullshit our ships will be going out with inferior radars to fucking CHINESE. The same CHINESE that eat dogs and run children over.

HOW ARE WE LOSING WHEN WE HAVE A BAJILLION DOLLAR NAVY BUDGET?

>>35037482
If it makes you feel any better, you still have better radars than the Russians.

>>35037461
ours are coal powered and therefore better

>>35037536
yet still get rammed by fishing boats

>>35037482
>HOW ARE WE LOSING WHEN WE HAVE A BAJILLION DOLLAR NAVY BUDGET?
Because Congress doesn't want to pay for things, so we end up putting band-aids on things and fucking up the budget. We're penny-wise, pound-foolish.

But hey, Procter & Gamble really needs that tax cut, so maybe they'll buy us a new ship out of the goodness of their hearts.

>>35037439
China is like the lottery winner or child tv star who buys expensive cars and McMansions.

>What is a Ticonderoga

What about the poo in loo's? Weren't they supposed to be competing against the chinks?

>>35037439
>From the 112 large diameter VLS cells

So is this coinciding that it doesn't have 128 cells then?

>>35037868
An archaic tugboat cruiser

>>35037482
>We could have had one of these on the Zumwalts

why settle for a pseudo-functional destroyer with an overworked crew when we can just wait a couple of years for the flight 3 ABs to start rolling out?

Cant wait for their slow boat from china to capsize and kill the crew because lol china safety regulations

>>35037439
>USA BTFO

You had one job Cheng

>>35037901
>thinking poo in loo got a chance

India miltary's r&d is a joke.

>Brings their best tank to the tank biathelon while everyone else is sending in their last gen tank to compete.
>thinking they're going to wipe the competition and win
>turns out its just a modified t90
>manage to fuck up the t90 and have it and its backup break down immediately and have to drop out if competition

>>35037439
>world class surface combatants

combatant. singular.

>it has finally eclipsed the US Navy.

I'm sure the PLAN will enjoy that spotlight for the next 3-5 years.

"Chink" shill threads have gotten old ages ago, why do people still do this? is it really that fun LARPing as a rice farmer?

>>35038055
Not to mention we already have enough vatnik retards who can't spell or make sentences worth a shit.

>>35037439
2 yen deposited into your account. you will be able to afford that trip to peking soon!

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>>35037439
It actually has 128 VLS cells.

Confirmed by a recent Chinese TV program showing the official model of the Type 055.

The rear VLS is clearly 4 rows (each row are 16 cells).

chink shill threads are so obnoxious. Put some fucking effort into it for once instead of following the same format every fucking time.

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>>35037538
Actually, steam-plants are pretty good because fast as fuck (but maintenance intensive). Dont know about coal, tho.

China likes their imported Sovremenny so much that they are upgrading them extensively in weapons and sensors, but retain the propulsion, despite having access to much more compact CQ-280 gas turbines that are powering the rest of China's fleet.

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>>35038096
Shtil SAM arm-launchers replaced by HHQ-16 VLS, Moskit replaced by YJ-12A, 2x Type 1130 and 1x HHQ-10 replacing the 4x AK-630

>>35037439
WHERE THE FUCK IS MY 126 VLS CHANG? YOU PROMISED ME ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY SIX VERTICAL LAUNCH CELLS.

WHERE.

ARE.

THEY?

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>>35038105
see
>>35038090

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>>35038085
>yen
>china

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>>35038090
>Confirmed by a recent Chinese TV program showing the official model of the Type 055.
>Hey guys, look how badass the German Army was in WWII!
>I've got the official models!

>>35038109
>see CGI render

WRONG CHANG.

http://navyrecognition.com/index.php/focus-analysis/naval-technology/5337-chinese-cruiser-or-destroyer-full-details-on-plan-s-first-type-055.html

DONT MAKE THIS DIFFICULT. I WANT MY 128 VLS. TWO MORE THAN PREVIOUS. GET ON IT.

>>35037439
The only thing I remember about the Chinese military in 2017 is Pajeets slinking poop at them on the border and it actually forced them to back down.

>>35038128
This.

>retreating from poos

>>35038137
>Implying this is any different than the entire history of tribal warfare on the continent of Africa

It's a legitimate strategy

>>35037439
after watching chinese sailors do shoring I'm not concerned.

doesn't matter how nice your ship is if your crew is made up of mainland peasants who never saw the sea before.

>>35038123
>Posting articles from June
TV confirmation of 128 was this month, get with the times brah

>>35037439
It's exactly 1,000,000,000 times easier to catch up than to innovate

>>35038185
It's not catching up when you are skipping over the "why do we do this" phase.
>bridges made out of literal garbage
bruh

>>35037868
50 years old.

>>35037901
Read about the US officer who visited the Indian navy flagship. It was hilarious and proves that they shouldnt even be allowed to have a military.

>>35038123
>CGI

it's a real model.

usually given to the PLAN by the shipyard building that class.

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It was actually a good year all around for China's military.

China having the world's 2nd best airforce also confirmed.

>>35038207
>>35038183
>CGI Model trumping navy rec

WRONG
R
O
N
G

I WANT MY 128 VLS.

>>35038250
Navy Reco translated an article by a French PLA spotter who is sourcing his information from the same Chinese sources, inlcuding official shipyard models and Chinese media reports.

Maybe you should try to follow his twitter:

https://twitter.com/henrikenhmann

Because he, and several Chinese military forums are the sole sources of Navy Reco.

>>35037439
the last time the Chinese spent a shitload of money on their navy was the Beiyang Fleet, and that didn't help them much

Seriously though, when the State gives you tiny dick cucks access to the "real" internet to post crap like this, how many other chinks are required to be watching to make sure you dont look at tranny porn?

>>35038262
>implying you know all of navy recs sources

WRONG.

I DEMAND, *DEMAND*, MY 128 VLS.

>>35038277
Read your own source:

http://navyrecognition.com/index.php/focus-analysis/naval-technology/5337-chinese-cruiser-or-destroyer-full-details-on-plan-s-first-type-055.html


>Chinese Cruiser or Destroyer ? Full Details on PLAN's First Type 055

>Translation from Eastpendulum's article
>Eastpendulum's article
>Eastpendulum's
>article

http://www.eastpendulum.com/croiseur-destroyer-details-premier-type-055
http://www.eastpendulum.com/
http://www.eastpendulum.com/deux-trois-mots-blog

Author:

>Henri K.

>HENRI KENHMANN | AUTHOR |

His twitter:
>>35038262


Hmmmm.... Really makes you think.

>>35037439
>112
Still less than a Tico's 122. You fucking chinks promised me 128, got me excited, and then disappointed me with this shit. Really fucking sad.

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>>35038122
Except Shipyard models gifted to PLAN representatives are as official as it can get.

Pic related:

Type 056 model given to the then PLAN commander and the actual Type 056 that has been produced 40+ times to this day.

>>35038295
It likely will have 128 tho:

>>35038090
>>35038109

>>35037968
>India miltary's r&d is a joke.
Absolutely true. Unironically the best thing the Indians can do to improve their R&D is pay the Israelis to do it for them. Which is what they do. The Barak 8 is now in production, and there are rumors of Israel perhaps setting up a real tank manufacturing line in India.

>>35038292
Read your own post
>are the sole sources of Navy Reco.

>implying
>implying zero cross referencing
>implying a cgi model trumps navy rec

>>35038311
I want big ships with more missiles and I don't care who builds them. 128 VLS is better than 122+8 harpoons of the Ticos, if it's real I'm happy.

>>35037439
>destroyer
>same size as a ticonderoga class cruiser
>fewer vls cells

Guys we built the WORLDS MOST POWERFUL, LARGEST DESTROYER!

>>35038329
Repeat after me:

NAVY RECO STATES THAT THIS ARTICLE IS A TRANSLATION OF HENRI KEHNMANN'S BLOG POST

HENRI KEHNMANN IS A SEASONED PLA SPOTTER WHO GETS HIS SOURCES FROM THE SAME CHINESE TV AND CHINESE MILITARY FAN FORUMS AS ANY CHINKFAG HERE ON /k/.

>>35038343
>implying relevance
>implying equality

I EXPECT 128 VLS CHANG.

>>35038212
Still using footage from Top Gun for Air Force displays?

>>35038411
Yep.

>>35038398
If your primary source sources its information from the same source that 50 centers use, you have a problem.

Especially if 50 centers are, by nature, a lot more up-to-date with said sources.

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>>35038411

It's a new Top Gun nao.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGstETF2DOM

>>35038447
>implying lack of insider information
>implying detailed knowledge of where information was derived

128
2
8

>>35038459
Henri K. is OSINT.

OPEN SOURCE INTELLIGENCE

no insider information, aside of certain leaked papers that can be found when digging the Chinese internet.

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>>35037439
Still not as good as a Type 45.
If it's built by a chink, we know it's gonna sink.

>>35038212

You mean 3rd, right?

Because the 1st and 2nd best are the US Airforce and the US Navy Airforce respectively.

>>35038473
Don't forget the Marines.
And again, I reckon the RAF could take the PLAF.

>>35038462
>implying you know the details of the totality of his information

ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY EIGHT.

>>35038315
That would explain why I've been hearing a lot pro-Israeli propaganda from shitskins for a while. Either or the whole religious civil tension/strife they've got going on there.

>>35038494
Navy Reco is also OSINT btw.

Sorry, but you cannot win against me in this regard.

You cannot beat a 50 cent PLA watcher at his own game. I regularily shitpost and converse with Henri Kehnmann on Paki Defense forum, where he posts his China-related stuff. I ask him of his sources all the time and he just points me to the same Chinese forums that I frequent as well.

The fact that Navy Reco is taking his blog-posts as gospel and translate it from french into english is also evidence that he is highly respected as OSINT analyst and that MY own sources (that are the same as his) are also reliable.

>>35038523
>pro-Israeli propaganda from shitskins for a while.

that and they hate muslims, so whatever hurts muslims works for them.

>>35038533
>admitting to being a paid shill
>implying you know the totality of navy rec information

ONE

HUNDRED

TWENTY

EIGHT

>>35038540
I know because Navy Reco specifically states that they merely translated HK's blog-post. And nothing more.

You cannot win. Just give up.

>>35038491
>Don't forget the Marines.

he didn't forget the marines

>and the US Navy Airforce respectively.

see?

>>35038551
>implying you know the totality of the authors information

I WANT MY VLS CHANG.

>>35038561
Here you have it:

>>35038090

That's all the information the author has.

I know because he isnt better than me.

The 20th century was the death of white civilization

Will whites wake up to preserve themselves? I don't know, I don't think so, too many old faggots living comfy lives, too many kids being brainwashed in school.

Thats what this is all about, whether people admit it or not.

>>35038552
The US Marines are part of the US Navy?
Shit boi, sort that out.

Royal Marines are separate from the Royal Navy.

>>35038572
>implying superiority while being a paid shill
>implying intimate knowledge of the authors total knowledge of the subject
>implying there is any way for you to win due to the above

THE USN NEEDS THOSE VLS CHANG, CONGRESS WON'T GIB BENNIES WITHOUT THEM.

>>35038588
What are you waiting for, I have directed you to the post detailing the VLS numbers several times.

I am just as good as Navy Reco and HK because they too are just OSINT analysts.

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>>35038581
>The US Marines are part of the US Navy?

yup. check their seal.

>Shit boi, sort that out.

why? it's worked out fine that way for the past 200 years, no need to change anything.

>>35038598
>implying navy rec and others cannot get insider information
>implying you know the totality of their information
>again implying equality when you are a paid shill
>implying you can win due to the above

WHERE IS THE 128 VLS CHANG?

>>35038576
calm down snowflake. shit changes and cultures die, PMSing about it isn't gonna change anything.

>>35038623
>implying navy rec and others cannot get insider information

They cant.

What sort of insider information can OSINT analysts get?

>>35038084
Make fuck you!

>>35038639
>They cant.

>implying journalists are completely unable to get insider information
>implying institutions have not built their reputation on it (Janes, USNI)

YOU ARE ON YOUR LAST LEGS CHANG, WHERE IS IT?

>>35038679
You sure took your long time to write that reply.
Maybe you are on your last legs, my Indian friend.

And no. Jane's, USNI and others are all OSINT and will get no insider information, except maybe leaks. They are basically just information aggregators who are collecting freely available information. Some of that is really open source, and others, like most Chinese and Russian stuff, can still be found if you can break the language barrier and dig in Chinese/Russian sources.

Henri K. is a french guy who can speak Chinese and is married to a Chinese. He gets his reputation from exactly that: That he can dig in Chinese open source information and translate it to french. And Navy Reco translates it to english.

If you want to speak with Navy Reco personally, I recommend you to visit the CMANO forums at matrix-games. He posts in the Navy News thread and is sometimes even gathering his China-related info there from Chinese posters.

>>35038539
They seem to be pretty darn. If they could get together as a collective they might actually have a decent standard of living.

If I remember my history one of the most prosperous times they had was under Muslim imperialism, then kind of under British imperialism.

Wow, china finally made a clone of the 50 year old ticonderoga. Goid job. That would have been impressive, in 1975.
Seriously though can chinks come up with an original idea for the life of them?

>>35038744
Darn stupid*

I'm a fucking idiot.

>>35038700
>USNI and others are all OSINT and will get no insider information
>litterally stateing journalists don't have inside sources
>a claim easily proven wrong with a simple search
>https://news.usni.org/2017/03/09/sources-trump-offered-secnav-job-to-former-marine-banker-richard-v-spencer
>implying I needed to read beyond that point

128. NOT ONE LESS.

>>35038790
Why is it Chinese posters have such a hard time with the concept of open press? Are they that stifled?

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Vietnam is just wasting money on shit like this in the meantime..

Does deterrence as a strategy even work for the Vietnamese anymore?

>>35037439
Now if only their mediocre crew could run this ship without sinking it. Even US crews are poorly trained.

The 4 years of Trump will be like a catalyst for China.

>>35038523
Yep. India likes Israel for that and ideological (kebab removal) reasons, to the point where Modi recently went for a visit.
It might also be that Israel understands India's business ideas better than Europe and doesn't look down on them as much so they don't suffer from an inferiority complex, but yes.

>>35038552
Marine aviation is the US Navy's Army's private Air Force.
Even though the Marines aren't officially part of the navy but their own command.

>>35037576
That's Arabs.

>>35037439
no the rest of the world did the hard work. China just copy and pastes then reduces the resolution and the file name.

>>35038748
You sound like a Brit talking about Germany in 1885.

>>35039542
Doesn't matter if it does the job.

>>35037439
cute

>>35038491
Your Eurofighter Shitphoons and Poonavia Tornados present no threat to China's advanced front line fighters. It has reached a point where even USA and Russian government officials deem China a military and technological peer so it baffles that you consider the RAF a contender.

>>35039566
What is the PLAAF even flying these days? Is it still clones of migs?

>>35039574
What are the British using to brush their teeth nowadays? Or are they still allergic to toothpaste?

>>35039592
Personally I use aquafresh.

>>35037868
>>35037982

>mechanically steered radars.

>>35039601
Yet your breath is never fresh.

>>35039669
Can you really not come up with anything better than this? I'm disappointed in you.

>>35038203
link plox?

>>35039677
I can come up in your mother every night

>>35039689
It's like I'm watching daytime TV.

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Reminder, by 2020 China will have a higher RnD budget than the EU. Shortly after that it will outgrow the USA.

>>35039737
Is there a source on that? IIRC China has begun to run into massive inflation and an ageing population casting doubts on how long they can carry on. I agree that the EU seems to be toast in around 10-20 years.

>>35039763
It's been widely reported anywhre form The Diplomat, Economist, National Interst, thinktank sites etc. Just google it, this isnt anything obscure.

>Inflation
That was a problem back in the day when China grew by 15 % a year, today it's down to normal.
>Ageing
Depends on if you see it as a problem, less workers = higher wages = more spending. Besides they're going heavily into robots, right now they're buying 1/3 of the worlds industrial robots, in a few years it will be 1/2.

>>35038848
He's memeing you, you retard.

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>>35038212
>second best air force

>>35039795
>back in the day
I've heard it being problematic just last year.
>robots
They're suffering from an aefing population worse than Japan is thanks to the 1 child law, and they aren't Japan so it's not certain that they'll be as capable of dealing with it.

>Expecting to be believed because he is paid to spout propaganda.

Wew lad

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>>35039566
The French Air Force and RAF could easily wipe the floor with the PLAAF

>>35039795
They have an agricultural crisis that will explode very soon. They didn't have enough kids and their farmers are dying. Nobody will be able to tend the fields.

>>35039858
Reminder that the Israelis wiped the floor with Soviet pilots.

>>35039870
>China will collapse any second now
>says increasingly nervous /k/ shitposter for the 6 billionth time

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>>35039832
>and they aren't Japan so it's not certain that they'll be as capable of dealing with it.

Not being Japan is a good thing in this regard because Japan is absolutely not capable of dealing with it, or at least doesn't show any signs of doing so.

Shinzo currently has a plan that he wants to fight this stuff and stabilize the population at 100 million people down from the 127 million Japanese living today.

>>35039900
>expecting over explosive growth, low wages, no liberties, rampant corruption, polluting your whole country to never back fire
I mean, I know this is a Chinese propaganda thread but c'mon

>>35039900
Why do you think Jinping has started doubling down on MLM party propaganda? Its a reaction to the economic liberalization, and even social liberalization in the special economic zones, put in place by his predecessors. It's analogous to the political situation in the waning Soviet Union.

>>35039956
And China is opening its doors to proper economic reforms so I am not sure what you're saying. In fact, they've been doing that for a while.

>>35039923
>I mean, I know this is a Chinese propaganda thread but c'mon

You know your description fits post-war Japan and especially Korea perfectly, right?
Or have you never heard of what "Made in Japan" meant from your old man?
Korea was a fascist military dictatorship until 1987 and is still strongly oppressive to this day.

It backfired on Japan back in 1990s when their bubble economy collapsed but Korea is still going strong today and doesn't show any signs of stopping.

>>35039997
China wishes it was SK

>>35039982
Economic reform isn't a cure-all. The vast majority of the population lives in increasing squalor, much like the rest of the developed world. As the wealth divide increases, so will social and political unrest, best current examples being the US and Greece. With every new Chinese millionaire the contradictions with the CCP's "socialism" will only become more and more aggressive.

>>35040004
I know, they recently passed a law regarding abolishment of online anonymity which has been directly lifted from the South Korea.

South Korea is an oppressive and corrupt dictatorship, but unlike their northern neighbors, they are a rich oppressive and corrupt dictatorship with US support.

>>35040034
>oppressive and corrupt dictatorship
Which is why they just impeached their president?

>>35040039
not them but who do think will replace the impeached president? these kinds of problems are systemic, changing a chief executive here and there doesn't solve anything

>>35040039
Because she was batfuck insane and was allowing a cult leader to make major policy decisions, wasn't it?

>>35040039
You know their last president was a part of the group that abolished the last military junta running the state, right?
Also, they are not abolishing any of those human rights defying laws any time soon.

It's not really a dictatorship because you can tell the dictator to fuck off if you try hard enough. It doesn't change the fact he will be replaced by one of his goons again.

This has been the 6th democratic reformative government for them. 7th time's the charm, I guess.

>>35037968
Haha that sounds priceless. Any articles or pics of their souped up POS?

>>35037439
>eclipsed the us navy while still being a fraction of the size.

>>35040098
They once deployed three ships to somalia you know. That means they're totally the best navy ever now.

>>35039737
>in $

worthless. PPP or bust

>Trump can't do anything to North Korea because China is just there - not even doing any rhetorics.

>>35039737
>projected spending

so what you're saying is that this graph is literally worthless

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>>35040136
Well, that image is like from 2012. We should look at actual spended money.

>>35040118

>>35040178
What's the chart measuring? GDP?

>>35040211
>Illiteracy rates are soaring worldwide, I see.

>>35040178
>>35040211
>>35040222
unlabeled axes strike again

>>35040211
Then China would have been on par with the USA in 2013

>>35040231
?

>>35037907
Are you the anon who really needs for it to have 128 cells? You were gettin pretty insistent about those other 16 cells. I checked Amazon and everything. No cells.

China couldn't even take on Australia. Not to mention the mother fucking USA navy or USA military. Also China and r*ssia will both collapse in the next 5 years.

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>>35039390
>Marine aviation is the US Navy's Army's private Air Force
I'm pretty sure Naval Aviation is the US Navy's private Air Force. Marine Aviation is the icing on the cake for supporting marine operations.
>tfw your Navy has its own ground troops and air forces

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>>35037439

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How do I win a burger's heart?

>>35037482
The money is going to grift not to weapons systems that actually maintain our superiority.

>>35037439
There isn't anyone in the entire PLAN that has ever participated in a combat operation.

>>35038465
as opposed to the T45 that just breaks down constantly?

>>35038212
Again, literally nobody in the PLAAF has ever participated in combat operations.

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>tfw you might someday get a US refugee qt

>>35038122
Is that an M2 on the roof of that vehicle?

>>35040757
>us refugee
??

>>35038581
No, they're just administratively tied because of the close nature of the services. They work together on a lot of things that the other services do alone.

>>35037482
>We could have had one of these on the Zumwalts but because of Washington budget bullshit our ships will be going out with inferior radars to fucking CHINESE

You don't even know what the radars you are comparing are capable of.

>>35038295
You forgot the 8 Harpoons that Tico's have in addition to its VLS.

>>35039795
New markets and construction opportunists in SE Asia and even Africa have manufacturing following the money. There is no post-industrial plan for China, if they lose US manufacturing their economy implodes.

>>35038203
I remember that but I thought it was fake as shit

>>35041682
I love how a dogshit Ashm from the 80s is the best anti ship weapon the Tico can muster

>>35043604
>from the 80s
It's been continually upgraded 50 cent man. That would be like calling the sidewinder a missile from the 70's

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>>35037439
>it has finally eclipsed the US Navy

You must be joking.

>>35039870

that is so retarded, less farmers means bigger and more efficient farms

>>35037482
Because there's nothing on the horizon that we need better radars for.

You don't compare your radars to the enemy's radars. You compare your radars to the enemy's targets. Show me an enemy with targets worth the trouble, and I'll show you god's own radars.

>>35043604
Tico's are made for anti-air work and a skipper on one would have to sell his soul to get a chance to fire a harpoon in anger.

"Hostile surface contact.. nope, never mind, a F-18 hit it. Another contact.. never mind, someone who was never here shot it with a heavy torpedo it never saw coming."

>>35037482

You can at least shoot some of the corrupt people in China

Here you get a job to go lobby people.

>>35039763
>China has begun to run into massive inflation and an ageing population
?
lol
Americans who are already a white minority population among people below 60, talking about supposed problems that China or the EU have

>>35040665
Which is why they will have a shooting war with India soon to test stuff out

>>35040178
China is a 95+ IQ country who has more people than all of USA/EU combined
Demographics is destiny, there is a willful denial of reality among the west about what the future of a white minority USA or Europe or Canada will result in.

China will continue growing, they aren't going to magically collapse, the west needs to stop denying reality before it is far too late

>>35037566
>Procter & Gamble really needs that tax cut
Procter & Gamble doesn't pay taxes, it's customers do. It's built into the price of their products just like their labor costs and electric bill.

>>35038454

Who's the bad guys going to be?

>please be Pajeets

>>35037439
nice 50 cent party yo

>>35044244
>China is a 95+ IQ country
Then why are there so many videos of Chinks falling through grates or running each other over in stupid accidents?

I would hardly believe you're a 75+ IQ country

>>35044494
Not him, but
>Falling through grates/escalators
This is what happens when there exists no regulation or quality control.

Don't know about the accidents.

>>35037439
Can we range ban all of chinkland?

>>35045423
They're already banned, lol. Google captcha doesn't work there.

>>35040178
China is gonna spend itself into oblivion, I guess capitalism really does work?

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>>35045907
Chinese spending on military as % of GDP is lower than America, lol.

>>35045948
You know the soviet's tried to out spend us, and look what happened to them...

>>35045984
Not supporting the guy you were replying to, but the Soviet Union's issue was that they spent a lot of money as a percentage of the national budget. I don't believe China is currently approaching Soviet levels.

>>35046009
I feel like if they really want to be at the big boy's table, they're gonna have to spend a metric ass ton more on their military, instead of dick swinging on insignificant neighbors.

>>35044494
That's the result if CCTV material finds their way to the internet.

>>35046009
Most GDP goes to the economy.

Relative military spending is not even close to the USA. China would just fulfil muh NATO's 2% spending rule

>>35039549

And Germany lost. Twice.

Since its gook hours and the 2 cent army is awake with propaganda here you go

https://youtu.be/ousDjLYCmGA

https://youtu.be/ousDjLYCmGA

https://youtu.be/ousDjLYCmGA

>Door opens to the inside
>BUCKETS, fucking BUCKETS
>Damage control party visibly confused
>Unable to lock door, weld it shut

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>>35039795
>50 million of unemployed young men who'll never get a gf won't cause problems

>China goes to war with US
>US blocks imports
>China economy dies

>>35046137
China economy already dying that they have to steal/make islands in the pacific to survive.

>>35046137
>>35046149
>the deep understanding of economy which led us to Trump

>>35046176
>>35046176
hows all those corrupt gooks moving to vancouver cause your shitty economy's GDP is 300% in debt?

>>35040933
Looks like it.

>>35046136
This will only bring the waifu-robot revolution every closer.

>>35039795
>back in the day

ok paper tiger

>>35046193
>China will fall!

>>35046224
you guys arent failing but you guys have a LONG way to go

>>35046224
also you gooks need to stop using too much coal, like holy shit, shanghai was so disgusting last time I was there

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>>35046204
And how will they afford those robot waifus, Xiang? Manufacturing is already starting to move over to Africa due to the chinese worker asking for more money. How will they get those robot waifus without money?
>tfw the desire to copy the decadent western lifestyle will kill another communist regime

>>35046254
They'll get service sector jobs like we did.

>>35046278
Yes, everyone will get a job serving hamburgers to each other. A perfect closed system.

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>>35037439
Every thread until you 50 cent fuckers piss off
>build a tico
>call it a destroyer

>>35046285
Not every service job is fast food. 90% of America's economy is service jobs such as office work, programming, nursing, consulting, and everything else.

>>35046304
amerigan service jobs are also slowly dying off to automation, and the chinks don't get a century of development before that happens like we did

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>>35037439
s-sempai noticed me

>>35044601
Not really, its that they were an agrarian society less than 30-40 years ago, so like everyone else, people learn the hard way.

No doubt Chinks won't be having people eaten by Escalators anymore

The accident stuff is stupid, people in the west die in accidents by the tens of thousands

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>>35038122
>that fictional E-series TD with a 128mm

>>35046078
All it cost was every western empire, the trajectory of western civilization, and selling half of europe to communism
Now we live in socialist shitholes where being white is a crime

Guess it was worth it?

>>35046301
Zumwalt's displace more, are less armed and are called destroyers sweetie

>>35045984
I'm saying China is going to outspend America by literally having a bigger total GDP than then, fool.

The Soviets devoted too much of the pie towards war instead of making the pie bigger. Do you get it now?

>>35046253
You must not have been there recently.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-energy-coal/china-to-close-more-than-1000-coal-mines-in-2016-energy-bureau-idUSKCN0VV0U5

>>35046321
Then we'll live in desolate mega cities in the future where universal basic income is the norm and the squalls of unemployed citizens find ways to entertain themselves. Groups of makers make use of 3D printers to manufacture knock off components of high quality waifu-bots to satiate their needs.

>>35046552
theoretically, presuming those that be accept having a bunch of human parasites on their system, and never try to rid themselves of excess humanity.

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So apparently China is going to be skipping steam altogether and going straight to EMALS for the next they plan to build. (i.e. not the Liaoning or the CV001 that is still being worked on)

>>35046753
Nope. The next class will be steam. 003 might be emals.

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The Italian Navy and the PLAN working together.

While China is expanding their fleet USN is actually innovating.

https://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/2017-09/interview-air-boss

MQ-25 Stingray Unmanned Aerial Tanker Could Almost Double Strike Range of U.S. Carrier Air Wing

>The inclusion of the unmanned MQ-25 Stingray aerial tanker into the U.S. carrier air wing could increase the effective strike range of the strike fighters aboard aircraft carriers by up to 400 nautical miles, the commander of Naval Air Forces told U.S. Naval Institute’s Proceedings.

>Air Boss Vice Adm. Mike Shoemaker said the service’s goal was for the Navy’s first operational carrier-based unmanned aerial vehicle to be able to deliver about 15,000 pounds of fuel at 500 nautical miles from the carrier to the air wing’s strike fighters, which would almost double their operational range.

>“The MQ-25 will give us the ability to extend the air wing out probably 300 or 400 miles beyond where we typically go. We will be able to do that and sustain a nominal number of airplanes at that distance,” Shoemaker said in an exclusive interview in the September issue of Proceedings.

>“That will extend the reach of the air wing, and when we combine that with additional weapons we are buying, we will get an impressive reach.”

>The strike range of a carrier air wing is now only about 450 nautical miles – the effective unrefueled radius of a Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet. The additional 300 to 400 miles could potentially extend the reach of the fighters up to or beyond 700 nautical miles.

>The additional range extension would be the farthest the air wing could reach out since the Navy retired the Grumman F-14D Tomcat from its inventory in 2006. An F-14D had an estimated unrefueled combat radius – with two fuel drop tanks – of about 650 nautical miles.

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>>35046753
>apparently

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>You'll live to see the day a puny Arleigh Burke get forced to fuck off from the SCS by a BEEG CHINESE RENHAI and there's nothing the USN can do about it
That or they start sailing around in groups of 3 since the US can't 1v1 China anymore

>>35047259
Tico has more total missiles my man.

>>35046137
Both economies would die. That's why China and US are never going to fight outside of your retarded redneck fantasies.
China has no reason to ever fight the US, they are co-dependent on each other. Their army is for fucking up Vietnam, India and other places like that.

>>35047295
As well as a stone age SPY-1 PESA radar and an RCS so fucking huge not even container ships should miss it

Next

>>35047358
you call the AN/SPY-1 stone age as if:

1. it wasn't a decade ahead of its time when it came out

2. it hasn't gone through 7 major upgrades since then making it functionally a different piece of equipment but with the same name

>>35047259
>Mk 48 with "NICE BOAT CHINAMAN" sails under it and explodes

Oh yeah, because surface ships always fight other surface ships and DDG's are super relevant.

>>35047369
I call the AN/SPY-1 stone age because it is:

1: A PESA radar in 2017

2: Limited to a single frequency and has significantly less search radius than its contemporaries.

it simply cannot compete with what China is packing.

>>35044197
None of what you said is true

>>35047405
>Limited to a single frequency
Not true at all, not even for the base model.

>>35037461
Literally the reverse is happening now

>>35037439

point and laugh folks

>>35039737
>>35039763
>>35039795
>>35039832
>>35039870
>>35039900
>>35039906
>>35039923
>>35039956
>>35039982
>>35039997
Fuck it that's enough.

Anyway, I don't know why people magically think less people farming = prosperity because the only way that works is if farming is actually becoming more efficient. You know what happens when it doesn't go that way? Famine. Yes, folks, that is precisely how famine happens, there simply is not enough food for people to eat so they starve. Where does food come from? Farms. It comes from farms. Which require labor. Which comes from people.

Fully-automated farms on the scale that China needs isn't quite here yet and even then, they'll probably have to do some "student work programs" like their Korean neighbor and force young people to go out in the fields. I doubt the PRC will ever see mass starvation unless something incredibly catastrophic happens, but it's likely that they'll have to enact special measures to combat labor shortages.

There's no secret that China's currently facing down the loaded barrel of a population crunch amidst a world that's already volatile, so yeah, this doesn't happen with easily-placated NPCs on a computer screen these things happen with angry, bitchy people. There's also a bunch of other warning signs that China simply cannot maintain what they're doing for much longer, but having said that, lmao these people are legendary at avoiding fate. China's shell game turbo-jewry should have imploded spectacularly decades ago, but through pure will they seem to have avoided ruin.

Don't count them out, but don't rely on their continued stream of incredible luck.

>>35044197
>Americans
That's where you're wrong kiddo

>>35047485
>actually trying to educate the chink shill

lol y tho?

>>35040662
>as opposed to the T45 that just breaks down constantly?

A T45 has never had to return to port with power or propulsion problems, And it has a higher availability rate than any other warship that uses IEP.

The warm water thing is tabloid journalism at its finest, it's a non issue in anything remotely resembling a wartime scenario.

>>35048175
A T45 has also never fought anything with a pulse

>>35044601
High iq , but no quality controls...ok

>>35037482
Because too many nations have surrendered their economic and foreign policies to Washington in exchange for naval protection of their shipping lanes. We've got a choice; allow potential future rivals to build themselves up again or allow China to keep building up a new fleet which we can't match like-for-like while keeping all the hulls we have in the water.

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>>35040086

>>35048715
Neither has nearly every warship afloat.

>>35048762
Global naval arms race 2:electric boogaloo when?

>>35049085
When the Pax Americana collapses.

>>35049140
>implying that it hasn't already collapsed
Pax Americana only really lasted for about 10 years : 1991 to 2001. From 2001 to 2007, the Americans slowly slipped and decayed, and 2007 brought the final confirmation that the peak was over. The middle eastern occupation and the recession was for the US what Suez and post-WW2 was for the British : a sign that the good times had ended. Since 2007, we've been in constant decline, only keeping up a semblance of Pax Americana to the world. I expect the whole structure to crumble down in about 2020, and a few years of chaos. 2025-2027 will bring an establishment of a new world order. Expect the EU to be completely discredited after being embarrassed by a war in the Middle East, and America to become embroiled in several pointless proxy wars world wide in an effort to hold on to failing national prestige. The Democrats and Republicans will both move to corrupt leftist oligarchic neo-con authoritarianism, and a mostly minority-race, far-left socialist group will take power as well. "Political Correctness" and other such social structures will expand greatly. By 2030, saying that they are 2 genders will be treated like saying that you support Adolf Hitler. The "hippie" and "social justice" groups will grow immensely, and their pet minorities will as well, making America a white-minority, Hispanic-plurality nation. Expect inner cities and suburban areas to become war zones, and the fringes of mega-cities to become nothing more than complete playgrounds and safe spaces for extremely spoiled and delusional rich children - the "sjws" and "antifa" of today. The world economy and petrodollar will be slowly challenged by a return to a gold-backed, Russo-Chinese currency. China will officially let go of communism, but retain its authoritarian, state capitalist government. Western Europe and Britain will completely fall, surviving European nation will either stay shackled to a failed EU or join a resurgent Russian bloc.

>>35037482
>the same Americans who riot about trans gender issues and feminist
>the same Americans who are 66% overweight and 33% morbidly obese

>>35049451
Other elements worth notice :
>as the US becomes nothing more than another Latin American nation, expect a major war in South or Central America. Mexico, Venezuela, and Cuba will probably be involved.
>First world nations will experience near-total societal collapse as NEETdom,heavy internet use, and social isolation becomes mainstream. What society remains will turn fully degenerate.
>Huge expansion of Islam as the decadent West finally falls. Expect an Islamic world that stretches from the West Atlantic to the East Pacific.
>Falling birthrates and demographic irrelevance will lead to the end of white-majority nations
>Sunni Islamic World, China, and Russia-Iran-India alliance will become new great powers. Husks of EU and USA will become pawns of israel.
>Overpopulation in africa results in huge crisis
>As the current mini-ice age ends, climate patterns will completely shift. Mass famines, starvations, etc.
>Due to a combination of sexually deviant/degenerate Western "culture" and a growing bacterial resistance to antibiotics, a superbug STD will cause mass havoc. The white female population, now completely sluttified and sexually deviant, will be almost wiped out. Remaining white males will be forced to turn to cloning.
>Massive religious warfare. Nuclear terrorism. Stalinist states become the norm. (((Democratic))) nations will become sad globalist husks of themselves. Massive NWO and FEMA operations may lead in one-world government socialist state.

>>35049451
Holy shit stop reading alt-right fan fiction.

>>35037439
>this thread

The amount of bait, holy shit.

"it has finally eclipsed the US Navy."

For so many people here that should have been the red flag.

>>35049543
>Sunni Islamic World, China, and Russia-Iran-India alliance will become new great powers. Husks of EU and USA will become pawns of israel.

Russia is literally on the way out and an Indo-Chinese alliance is untenable as their regional ambitions do not align.

Also China has a massive demographics crisis on the horizon, one for which they have no real answer. To say Russian future economic prospects look bleak is optimistic. India could very well be wracked with massive epidemics in the near future due to superbugs. Sunni-Shia sectarian conflict ensures that neither side will ever go anywhere. You also fail to take into account the western counter culture forming and the likelihood of a massive cultural clash growing ever more likely. Everyone is fucked in their own special way, but your predictions are trash.

>>35049593
>Indo-Chinese alliance is untenable
learn 2 reading comprehension, retard. I never said that the 3 groups would ally together. I said that each of the 3 groups would become a great power, and that they would be competing with each other. So no India/China alliance, and no Sunni-Shia alliance either. Russia-India-Iran alliance will be formed to avoid complete collapse and suction into either Islamic or Chinese world.

"western counter culture forming"
The "alt-right" is really nothing but a bunch of man-children larping online. I suppose that if they got motivated enough, the left could muster up a second hippy/socialist counterculture movement, but there's not enough of a motivation for mass action as in the 60's and 70's. There's no war, no real civil rights struggle (and let's be honest, some upper-class white kid who thinks that xe is a foxkin is not oppressed), nothing to really fight for. I would say that the likelihood of real cultural clash is low. Slow demise is more likely at the moment.

>>35047485

the fact is that AESA>PESA
/debate

USN lags China, Europe in AESA technology.
/fact

AN/SPY-1 is gud
/joke

>>35049678
> I said that each of the 3 groups would become a great power
Russia has an aging population and an economy that is more or less held up by raw materials and resources that have a price that will likely decrease in the future. Iran is nowhere close to becoming a power and, like Russia, gets a lot of money from oil, the price of which has already peaked. India is perhaps the worst run democracy in the entire world and will likely stay this way for the foreseeable future considering the levels of widespread corruption and general incompetence. The only common interest Russia, Iran, and India share are arms sales from Russia, from which India is pulling away from if the Pak Fa is an indication.

I meant that the Sunni and Shia conflict would prevent either of them from becoming a true power, not that they would ever form an alliance.


>The "alt-right" is really nothing but a bunch of man-children larping online.

Counter culture is more complex than just two people that hold opposing beliefs, and there is growing conservatism in the west. There are more sides to culture than just antifa and the alt right. The culture is always changing and often changes quickly, contrast the 60's and 80's. The clash is not a literal conflict but rather the source for a sizable amount of social strife and discontent that will be reflected in the citizens everyday life, and more importantly the state.

>>35044494
Shitty quality control or getting in car accidents isn't an indicator of a country's IQ. There's over a billion chinese, china is composed of several different ethnic groups. The government doesn't care if a few thousand a year die if they save/make more money. Believe me, the average chink doesn't give a shit either.

>>35049789
In the long run, the Sunni and Shia conflict can really only end in Sunni victory. The Shiites control Iran. The Sunnis control the Arabian Peninsula, North Africa, Central Asia, parts of Eastern Europe, Anatolia, Pakistan, Afghanistan, parts of India and Indochina, Bangladesh, Indonesia, Burma, the Middle East, and general Muslim diaspora. Yes, pure population isn't everything, but as things stand right now, there is no possible way that the Shiites can win.

"growing conservatism in the west" does not exist. Conservatives really haven't won any cultural victories since the 20th century.

>>35047348
wrong, the US has more sources of slave labor than china. It would definitely put the United states in a recession, but China would be in a depression.

>>35049451
>NOW IS RUSSIA TIME FOR DOMINATE EARTH!
uhhh not in this timeline.

>>35050107
>"growing conservatism in the west" does not exist

If you believe that there is no push back against the liberals in the US you must have your eyes shut. The fact that Brexit succeeded is another marker. I may have implied something that sounds more grand than it should, but I don't see how you can deny the growth of what is at the very least a very anti establishment sentiment. Conservatism was probably the wrong word (I was thinking a little US centric), I just wanted to express a shift that has been taking place over the years that can be tied to both social and economic trends.

>>35049451
>>35049543
>>35049678
This is your brain when you overdose on black pills

>>35049736
>AESA is better than PESA due to the simple fact that it's AESA

Nope.

>>35049500
Women in general were a mistake

>>35051401
Push back? What push back? The average "conservative" today is far to the left of the average liberal of the 1950's. And Brexit? What a joke. Sure, Britain's free of the EU. But the mass Pakistani migration won't stop. The leftist authoritarianism won't stop. The demographic downfall of the English people won't stop. And the only anti-establishment sentiment with any real mass draw is literally just nigs chimping out. Of course, there will be a backlash to all this. But it won't be enough. Almost every Western government has embraced far leftism full-on. Those that haven't are too weak to do anything about it. America could be a last great hope, but the southwest is effectively Hispanic, and the southeast is effectively African. The big cities are complete degenerative hellholes, and the rural areas have become too disenfranchised to stand up. I just can't see any way that this is ever going to get better.

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In a casual conversation I bought up the Constitution and Bill of Rights to a Chinese person and he told me "People don't have rights only privileges". To me that was pretty shocking and just shows how much people will accept the Party fucking them over.

>chinese sub guide to keep it /k/ related.

>>35053026
The Chink is kind of right though.

The Constitutional and Bill of Rights have always been marginalized or side stepped to further the self interest of the Federal Government.

People don't have rights, only privileges that a Nation State allows the populace to exercise in order to maintain social cohesion and the rule of law.

>>35053114
People have rights, they just vary in how much they're willing to allow them to be imposed upon to maintain social cohesion and rule of law.

>>35037464
Training is almost non-existent to the PLA

>>35053114
>The Chink is kind of right though.

Only insofar as his own allowances. You stifle all freedom the government invariably self collapses unless it persists upon the good will of other nations.

>>35053132
You'll be surprised on how tolerant people are willing to have their rights infringed upon of they are made to believe its for a good reason or out of fear.

>>35053145
Depends on the entirely culture of the people in question, right down to individuals.

>>35053168
From my experience as a Leaf chink, Asian culture just lends itself well towards more authoritarian governance and rigid social hierarchies due to the underpinning Confucius philosophies woven into every stratification of the Asian socio-economic situation.

You can argue that Japan and Taiwan are democratic states, however I argue that the former is largely a Corporatist state with a democratic laissez-faire government in place to allow the Japanese conglomerates the political freedom to do whatever they please. And the latter has his hands tied behind his back, so much of the Taiwanese economy depends on the PRC, their leadership can't declare independence or severe their relationship with the Mainland without suffering huge repercussions, so their foreign policy especially regarding the SCS are aligned with the self interesting of the PRC.

>>35053133
Nice lies

>>35053168
I mean we gave away a lot of our rights to privacy after 911. There hasn't been any revolutions.

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>>35037439
>"multi function dual band radar system (the only destroyer in the world to mount one)"
>thinking this is advanced

You are fake news.

>>35053026
He's correct.
All your "rights" are subject to natural laws, for the sake of argument, an omnipotent force could do anything to you without recourse

>>35055323
>bush takes away rights
>democrats win both houses and puts a literal nigger in the white house
>obongo largely refuses to rescind any of bush's work, if anything expands upon it with drones and internet based surveillance
>republicans win both houses and puts a literal fucking cheeto in the white house
>the cheeto was elected PRECISELY to spite the previous administrations
Look it's not our fault politicians have the stimuli response of nematodes.

>>35053144
>only worrying about your own goverment
The breakup of the United state will not be painless, and it will not conclude quickly

>>35052730
>average "conservative" today is far to the left of the average liberal of the 1950's.
HolyWEWkekLAD

>>35055671
>stimuli response of nematodes
This is offensive to nematodes everywhere

>>35049451
Pax Americana was 50s - 60s.

>>35055355
DDG-1000, the supposed 'next generation' destroyer couldn't mount one because dual band radars are too expensive for the USN

>>35055843
You should know by now the US Navy is just a floating day care for adults, not a military unit these days

>>35038454
thats fucking sick anon
where can i find more? (preferably with subs)

>>35037439
A piece of plastic rice has been deposited into your account Mr.Chang.

>>35055774
It's true
You can deny it, but it's true...

>>35038096
GOOD GOD WTF DID THEY DO TO THAT BEAUTIFUL SOVROMENY.......... ),:
Looks terrible
Why must the Chinese always get something beautiful and make it ugly

>>35044456

No, white yanky devils

>>35055774

People conflate social issues with economic/political issues.

The average 1950s American was far more SOCIALLY conservative, but not necessarily economically/politically conservative.

>>35057096
The Chinese aren't actually people, just a hive mind that does whatever's necessary to win.