Why is 5th gen so hard for other countries?

>>35037022
lack of money

>>35037022
1. We haven't had a Air-to-Air or even major Air-to-ground jet fight in a long fucking time.
2. US has more money and tech than any other countries.
3. Certain parts of the US Military need an excuse as to why they are still receiving funding. If they break even, they are at high risk of not being able to receive more or even get reduced funding.

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Well there are less then 20 but still it is just a start.

Also, you'll see them in a new film.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGstETF2DOM

Why doesn't America make a movie that has the F-35 doing cool shit and wrecking everyone?

>>35037088
Americans cringe a lot when they see propaganda films. It doesn't work on them like it does on the chinks.

>>35037088
>Why doesn't America make a movie that has the F-35 doing cool shit and wrecking everyone?
There have been a few. Not as many as what feature the F-22, but... a few.

>>35037100
But Americans loved The Patriot.

>>35037100
>Americans cringe a lot when they see propaganda films.

Hollywood flatly hates the idea of America.

>>35037100
American Sniper
13 Hours
Braveheart

>>35037100
>300.

>>35037141
Now which one of those has F-35's wrecking shit?

>>35037130
That's not true.

It's less that they hate the idea of America, and more that their idea of America is different from yours.

The PAK-FA, T-50, Su-57 is a fucking joke of a plane.

It isn't VLO at all I mean look at all the shit sticking out of the surface of the aircraft.

Does it even have internal areas to launch missiles from?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCElbHV03A8

>>35037154
The Avengers

>>35037169
>It's less that they hate the idea of America, and more that their idea of America is different from yours.

When their vision features no borders and the promotion of every migrant group to replace the Anglo-Saxon settlers who wrote its constitution and fought itself to decide the kind of nation it was going to be, and discouraging assimilation to the established culture, no, I'm pretty sure they just hate America.

>>35037022
many reasons

>world superpower so it can subvert, bully, and invade it's way to great trade deals
>huge military industrial complex with lots of room, capital and manpower for specialization (this applies to other industries too, america has so many resources that it can afford to throw money at things in the hope that a new apple or microsoft will pop up, other countries can't do that to the same extent)
>unique geography that forces a logistics heavy military with global force projection (it's easy to make a stealth jet when you don't have to worry about a neighboring country invading you over some trees and a rude look at a christmas party)
>lack of communism
>advanced materials science (russian engine meme)
>lots of money

>>35037100
Transformer

>>35037206
Anglo-Saxons killed off the native population instead of staying in Europe where they belonged. Their genocide is justice.

>>35037299
You sound like a really petty and racist person.

>>35037319
Probably. But that doesn't stop the equation from continuing to correct itself.

>>35037335
>that doesn't stop the equation from continuing to correct itself.

Do you really think it's wise to push that narrative forever against the one race that's infamous for fucking the shit out of things beyond any good sense when they decide you've well and truly crossed the line?

>>35037100
>It doesn't work on them like it does on the chinks
What is Black Hawk Down

>>35037299
That line of thinking is where "white guilt" comes from. It's based on the idea that people are responsible for things they didn't do, and leads to things like an irish man apologising to a jamacian man for american practices of slavery, even though neither person had anything to do with it.

>>35037335
>>35037345
This is what I hate about all this. People hate and hate and hate and hate without even thinking about how the person you endlessly vilify and condemn eventually loses any incentive to try and be a better person and eventually has everything to gain from being the monster you accuse them of being. It never ends well for anyone, especially when the persons and generations you accuse were never monsters to begin with.

>>35037367
It's a film based on something that actually happened.

>>35037345
>>35037387
>>35037390
The equation eventually corrects itself. Every action has a reaction. Anglo-Saxons and other Europeans forced colonialism and globalization on the world and now it's coming back to destroy them. All because of the systems they created and forced on a world that used to be separate and in its place.

Now the equation is balancing out. You reap what you sow.

>>35037584
The only thing a decent man wants is to be left alone. Being an agent of chaos and pursuit of domination is for monsters. Look at the people who want to be monsters.

>>35037022
Because america sucks all other countries' monry through international banking systems, making it the least democratic country for everyone except their own citizen.

>>35037615
>White American is literally the new Jew

I bet you think fascism is the worst ideology in human history, yet don't recognize it when you see it, either.

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>>35037088
Top Gun 2 soon™

>>35037664
This time with 38 percent more homoeroticism and shirtless volleyball.

>>35037628
>White
When the fuck I mentioned race in the whole thing? It's not fucking hard to see through economic statistics in global trade that US is a fucking leech, pumping out resources from the rest of the world. US is no better than USSR or Nazi Germany, except neither USSR nor Germany didn't have economical strength of US to buy other countries' freedom and independance and had to rely on army instead. US drove Europe to shit financing Hitler before WW2 and USSR when the war started to ensure maximum destruction on all sides of the conflict, joining the active fight when Germany was already defeated. USA is literally an imperialist country, using its economic strength to keep the rest of the world under their power.

>>35037686
You're a very angry and hateful person who needs to chill out. The enemies of your nation are the same enemies of the US' - unfortunately, many of them are the enemy within. Globalist powermongers are not allies of America, because they are more than happy to destroy this country if they can make money off it and bail to another one. But if we're all Imperialist and we need to be destroyed, you don't want to create a world where America's best choice is to become more Imperialist.

>>35037116
>>35037130
>>35037141
>>35037147
>>35037278
>>35037367
all these answers and Saving Private Ryan and Fury aren't in them.

y'all niggers have shit taste in just about everything.

>>35037733
>SPR
This isn't reddit.

>>35037154
Green Lantern

>>35037737
>This isn't reddit.
how is your first day on 4chan going?

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>>35037737
Spotted the retard

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>>35037664

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>>35037759

>>35037584

Beg pardon, but I don't buy into your "sins of the father" bullshit.

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>>35037762

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>>35037767

>>35037755
Nice reddit list.

>>35037765
The equation doesn't care if you buy it or not because it's not selling. It's simply a fact.

>>35037819

What "equation"? This isn't a fucking math problem, you pretentious douchebag.

>>35037816
>if I just keep saying reddit maybe /k/ will think I fit in

>>35037022
America had a tremendous amount of difficulties with the 5th gen though. In fact, it's probably seeing how much of a struggle and a money pit it was for America that is frightening other countries to develop and produce one.

>>35037088
..were those euro fighters?

>>35037100
Bitch, Top Gun was a fucking Navy recruitment ad.

>>35037857
I was going to contest that it was stealth gay porn, but same thing now that I think about it.

>>35037584
Oh yeah, the settlement of america was so horrible. Those pesky Europeans spread across the land, leaving nothing but schools, roads, hospitals and civilised lands in their wake.

You should be thanking them, really.

>>35037906
Thus the myth of the noble savage; something to make it sound like the natives were better people - when in reality, they were just people, and still locked in the tribal stage of human civilization.

>>35037299
(you)

>>35037022
This basic reason

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMuYfScGpbE

>>35037836
Those are J-10B's, mate.

>>35037680
>Top Gun 2 plot centered entirely around interservice volleyball championship with flying planes as a plot device

>>35037829
>I'll keep saying /k/ and maybe /k/ will think I fit in

>>35037906
>>35037915
You can justify it however you want. The consequence of globalization that your ancestors inflicted on the world that was originally distinct and separate and in its place is coming back around to boomerang you in the face.

>>35037826
Of course it is. Everything is a math problem.

And solution.

>>35038101
Imagine being this autistic

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>>35037836
J-10C.


Here seeing doing a Mach Loop trough a Canyon in Western China. Very American.

>>35038101
Holy shit, stop with this pseudo-intellectual bullshit.
You're not intelligent.

>>35037022

Western EU here, why would we?

You are happy to pay for the development and then just let us buy it at a good price.

You practically pay for pur defence as allways, why would we want to change that?

>>35038148
Mach Loop is a place you cretin

>>35038134
>>35038160
Small minds will never understand. Don't beat yourselves up over it.

>>35037584
Explain to me how, as an Irishman, whose civilization has been conquered and defacto enslaved by Romans and English, has "white guilt". Especially when my ancestors came to America and were forced into the Union Army on pain of deportation? What guilt is there for that? What does your equation say about the Irish, the Poles, the Swedes, the Swiss, all the peoples who were never trans-continental conquerors?

I expect and demand no reparations from the UK. There was a brutal time, sure, but thats the way the world has always been.

>>35037686
>America is a leech

America turns resources into technological wonders they share with the world. In many cases resources the locals thought were worthless, this includes human resources. America has given the world the opportunity to join a vast global community of trade and prosperity. The only holdouts are the violent, criminal and the fanatical; people of such low worth they don't merit the time of correcting. America isn't perfect but it's the best representation of enlightenment the world has ever seen.

>>35037686
>US is a leech
America, like most developed countries, produces only higher-end industrial products (ie., CNC machines and tractors), financial services (JP Morgan), technological service/design (Apple, AT&T), Chemical products (DuPont), and medical products (Insulin Pumps, etc). In fact, our oil industry is somewhat rare among developed nations in that we are simultaneously a primary producer (coal and oil) AND refiner.

All developed countries import primary resources and cheap goods, and spit out higher tech designs and goods. Dont be salty just because we got a great break post-WW2

>>35038237
>What does your equation say about the Irish, the Poles, the Swedes, the Swiss, all the peoples who were never trans-continental conquerors?

All beneficiaries by default of the emergent pan-white global identity.

>>35037829
>>35038094
Sometimes I like to pretend that I fit in; even if I don't

>>35037022
Why don't you and the China monger go argue with each other somewhere else?

>>35038098
You mean the consequence that people around the world now actually has a much better chance to not drop dead before 50?

>>35039357
Great news for the dwindling environment and resources. Anyway if simply living longer was enough for people to be happy, no one in the West would be against it.

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>>35037022
>America already has TWO proven operational 5th gen stealth fighters in full-scale production.


No it has two in service and one in full-scale production.

And the US didnt build F35 on it's own. Part of the reason for the Uk not having an independent project is because it merged it's 5th gen project (pic related) with the JSF program.

The UK is also doing much of the design work for the Turkish 5th gen and collaborating with Japan on a new 5th gen fighter.

The UK is also working on it's own '6th gen' ( i hate the concept of aircraft generations but i will use them for simplicity). In the form of Taranis which is to evolve into multi-role UAV (strike and AAW).

All this combined with the work BAE has done on F22, B2 ect puts us in pretty good place.

>>35037141
>American Sniper
>true story
>13 Hours
>true story
>Braveheart
>not american

>>35037116
>The Patriot
>based on a true story

>>35037147
>300
>not american

>>35037367
>Black Hawk Down
>true story

>>35037733
>Saving Private Ryan
>true story

hmmmm (thinking emoji face)

>>35039525

To summarise, between now and when Typhoon needs to be replaced in 2040ish, BAE will have worked on B2, F22, Gripen, F35, The continued upgrade of Typhoon, TAI TFX, Taranis, presumably B21 and an as yet unnamed Anglo Japanese 5th gen.

So when it;s time to replace typhoon there's plenty of knowledge to draw from, we're in a pretty good place.

I feel bad for the French and Germans who are having to replace Rafale and shit tier Typhoons early so that their aerospace industries don't die - the german one hardly exists anyway.

>>35039563
>Saving Private Ryan
>true story

Not the person you're replying to. But come on. you can do better than this.

Cold War peace dividend. The rest of the story was supposed to go "Something something United Nations something something Kumbaya". And where there was conflict, it didn't need a $150m air superiority superplane.
We'd have cut the Raptor as well, were the US defense budget not gigantic. Well, we kinda did as it is. Doubtless the F-35 would have received the same trimming, were international partners not involved, the planes we fly now not getting past their due date, and Russia/China not posing the threat they do.

Same reason the Israelis pushed out APS while everyone else was golfing. People thought we had reached the end of history, save those who had to keep fighting. And now we're behind the ball, scrambling to put Trophy on the Abrams while hulks of dead tanks litter the Middle East and Eastern Europe.

>>35039525
Tell us what BAE did with the designing of the B-2 and F-22.

>>35037130
>>35037169
Hollywood Jews only see America as good for protecting Jews from the imaginary "Nazis" they say are everywhere.

>>35039688

BAE designed and produces the RWR/ESM components of B2, F22 and F35.

I'm sure you'll agree how important information gathering is to 5th gens.

There's more to it than just but if you're genuinely curious you can look it up yourself I'm not about to list off all the various components.

>>35039750
should we be buying $BAESY ?

>>35038420
>Ireland enslaved by Brits and used for disposable labor and Poland being the stomping grounds for 2 world wars, a massive slaughter of its people, and ~50 years of defacto Soviet ownership

Yeah, beneficiaries, clearly.

>>35037054
A USN FA18E Super Bug shot down a Syrian SU22 back in June.

>>35039762
BAE is one of the staple options for British pensions, obviously, you have a mix of companies in different industries but BAE is a consistent performer with low risk.

My dad is a financial advisor, so i absorb this stuff through osmosis

>>35039668
The F-22 was delayed by more than a decade because of funding going down the tubes for it. It's initial IOC schedule for the project was '93-'94. It got put waaayy on the backburner after the USSR fell.

>trophy

Had more to do with the fact that by the 90s, the Army had the youngest fleet of vehicles out of the four branches and their funding got toned down substantially as things were moved back to their traditional areas of focus: the Navy and Air Force.

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Nice to see Mitsubishi building combat aircraft again.

>>35038219
Quit spewing this bullshit like you're some deep thinker you fucking autist. To reduce the colonization of the Americas to being some retarded equation is foolish beyond doubt (for you forget to account for history, philosophy, religion and economics) and to spew such rhetoric about some great justice to come from the replacement of the majority betrays a naive and utterly schizophrenic attitude of right and wrong that even the Puritans would look upon you with concern for your unhealthy attitude towards the idea of shades of gray, for you forget that you speak of normal, hardworking and often gregarious people as a plague to be corrected in and of themselves.

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>>35037584
lol what the fuck is this stupid bullshit?

Fucking kikes can't stop shitting up threads anywhere, fuck off kike.

>>35039740
(you)

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Because smart nations skipping to the next big thing.

>>35040048

>Being designed by a country who hadn't created a solo in service combat plane since WW2 or even held a majority in 4th gen design, and a country who's never made or ever even worked on a 5th gen fighter before

>>35040048
Well, they aren't call it fighter for a reason.

Airbus wants to build a two seater as Command and Control, EW rape machine.

>>35037772
>>35037767
can an f-35 fire amraams while inverted? I've always wondered this

>>35040249
No

>>35040181
Which countries?

>>35037664
But will it be remade with female pilots?

>implying 5th gen has been easy for America
The F-22 is still missing infrared sensors and the F-35 is a mess.

>>35040296

Germany and France.

Neither have worked on F-22 or F-35, so they haven't been involved in any of the 5th gen development. Germany hasn't been the majority creator in anything in any modern plane.

>>35038101
Is there a final solution, perhaps?

>>35040313
IR sensors aren't exactly important for air superiority.

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>>35039885
They have been doing that since 1978.

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>>35040316
I don't know exactly what makes a plane "5th gen", but if the French can build that kind of drone I assume the technology of said "5th gens" is not inaccessible to them. They probably don't want because they're stuck with the Rafale and it drains their budget.

>>35037664
Is that hovering shit even useful? I mean it's not like you're gonna be sending guys to hop out of it on a rope.

>>35037088
f-35 clone

>>35040544
It's so it can do vertical landings on carriers. The F-35B variant is meant to replace the Harrier.

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>>35040557

more like an F-22 and a Eurofighter if they had a kid.

>>35037054
>2. US has more money and tech than any other countries.
We spend 3x as much as the next country down in raw funds, but we're only 11th in the world in terms of %GDP. It's like playing in Easy mode.

>>35037206
>Watch me build this fantastic strawman!

>>35040524
Pretty much. The biggest questions about the nascent european project is how well the parties work together and stick to the plan. I don't really think anyone doubts that Dassault in particular has the capability to design an advanced fighter.

>>35040048
Or you can just buy the F-35 and get all that same functionality for under 100 million a jet.

>>35040865
>same functionality
no
>100 million a jet
no

>>35040871
Yeah, same functionality, and yeah the price per F-35A is less than 100 mill a jet right now. Of course that doesn't include extra parts, training etc.

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>>35040048
>twin engines

Already better than the F-35

>>35040882
I don't understand the appeal of twin engines. Just makes the jet bigger and more costly.

>>35040902
Who don't want to be the sitting duck on a battlefield with fighters around with a thrust weight ratio way above you.

>>35037299

Majority of Native Americans died do to disease brought by animal carriers before Europeans even landed there.

Your logic is incorrect and your history is bad.

>>35040316

>Stealth Aircraft and VTOL are things only the 5th Generation has

>>35038219

>tfw too inteligent to make sense

>>35040882
>needing an entire backup engine because you can't into reliable turbine blades

w e w lads
e
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>>35040882
Statistics favor single engine airframes over two-engine ones for avoiding Class-A mishaps (damage greater than a million dollars) per flight hour.

>>35040316
I bet AIRBUS is totally not capable of making a flying aircraft.

>>35040935
F-35 has a better thrust to weight ratio, if both are at 50 percent fuel loads, than an SU-30 and not that far behind an F-22.

Which means the F-35 is smaller, carries more fuel/range and has better thrust to weight ratio than a 4.5++ gen twin engine.

>>35041009
>F-35 has a better thrust to weight ratio

hahahaha

>>35040882
such a beautiful gif.

>>35041014
The Mig-29 has better thrust to weight ratio than an F-15. How well did that work out for it?

I'll take the jet with better rage, pumping out less heat, with stealth and superior avionics that can shit on you from BVR.

>>35041032
>The Mig-29 has better thrust to weight ratio than an F-15.

No

>>35039780
He's saying that about his country country. Also I just wanna say that was the first shoot down in ages.

>>35037278
Micheal Bay is pretty roundly loathed for his over the top propaganda.

>>35040711
No offense and I don't think that they outright think that, however that is just the logical conclusion of their ideology.

>>35040249
As long as they're pulling positive Gs (i.e. at the top of a loop or barrel roll), then yes. I don't think any negative-G AMRAAM launches have been demonstrated yet with the F-35 but they performed the first negative-G, inverted Sidewinder launch not to long ago.
>>35040313
>The F-22 is still missing infrared sensors
No, it isn't. They may not be as high-res as the F-35's EOTS but the F-22 does have 4 MLD sensors in a spherical arrangement.

>>35038420
By this point you've gone two far and people have stopped biting I see.

>>35040582
>>35040557
>MiG 1.44
FTFY

>>35040544
Don't give the Marines any ideas.
>every Marine a Rifleman.

>>35040249
Certainly a bad idea at such altitude.

>>35038237

When was Ireland conquered by the Romans?

You're aware of Irish aggression against Britain too right? It wasn't 1000 years of one-way invasions. The Irish colonised Scotland, that's why it's called Scotland, they invaded Wales and Cornwall too several times. The Irish did to Scotland what England did to Ireland, but worse. At least Irish is still spoken in Ireland. Pictish and Cumbric are extinct.

I agree with your point I just think your assessment of Irish history is off.

>>35041362

>England did to Ireland

To be fair, Scotland joined in on that too, as did Wales.

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>>35040249

F-22 can so i assume F-35 would be able to as well.

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>>35037022
Very few countries have the capabilities to produce 4th gen aircrafts let alone 5th gen.

Right now, outside of the US, only Russia/India, China and Britain/Turkey are working on any 5th gen fighters.

So from gen 4 to 5 we lost both Germany and France in the and race and the UK joined a partnership with Turkey to keep developing and Russia joined in with India, only really China joined with their capabilities and once the 6th gen stats even more countries will drop out.

Gen 6 well probably just be the US, UK and China. Maybe not even China if their debt bubble collapses, if it collapses soon enough their j-20 might not even be a reality. And Russia's 5th gen aircraft might end up as juste a prototype with only a handful of models built, India will probably have enough of them to scare off China/Pakistan.

>>35040048
>Airbus
100% DOA

>>35042539
What's so bad about Airbus?

>>35040955

If you think thats what defines 5th gen, then you don't know what 5th gen aircrafts are or why they're so good.

>>35040985

Except they haven't ever made anything like F-22 or F-35. They're starting from somewhere that the US was in the 90's.

>>35042626
A330 is a massive failure
A400M is.. eh.

Only fighter project they've been a part of - the Typhoon - they didn't make any of the important parts of and it was also a massive ordeal of a project

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>>35039885
the ATD-X is not a combat aircraft anymore than the Rockwell X-31 was a combat aircraft.
The Japanese haven't even decided whether they want to make the F-3 or just roll with some more indigenously made F-35's.

>f35 is literally the most expensive weapon system in history

gee guys why cant you keep up

>>35042469
I thought the Indians bailed on the Su-57.

>>35037169

An america without amerikaners is not america anymore.

>>35042806
They drastically cut orders

>>35039608
I think it's more or based on a true story. So that means they get to exaggerate and dramatize stuff

imagine being a fighter pilot

must be the best job in the world

>>35037022
Other countries misrepresent their abilities to seem stronger than they are, America misrepresents it's abilities to seem weaker than they are.

Pretty much they have such difficulties because gen 5s are kinda a put up or shut up sorta deal instead of something they can just half ass their way through so it's like learning a foreign language where they don't even understand what the letters are.

>>35037022
Lack of money and will.

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>>35042778
I wish we could get the Japanese and South Koreans to co-develop a 5th Gen Asiafighter. Alas, it is not to be.

>>35042469

Britain's aerospace industry is practically combined with the US now. F35 is essentially Anglo-American, I wouldn't be surprised if the 6th gen was too.

>>35037088
>Why doesn't America make a movie that has the F-35 doing cool shit and wrecking everyone?
die hard 4 back in 2007

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>>35043202
F-35Cs are all over the place in Vividred Operation.

>>35043252
Not an American production
Not a movie.
>>35043131
Good lord, why would you ever want that?

>>35043264
Why shouldn't two first world democracies in East Asia work together to counter a autocratic neighbor?

>>35043140
The French and Germans are also trying to merge their industries to a certain extent. I wouldn't call Germany the most reliable partner when it comes to procurement though. But gotta build that New World EU

>>35043386

The French have the worst record for that.

I do find it strange that aerospace & land defence is so multinational right now but naval defense industries remain domestic.

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>>35043724
I dunno, there's Aegis, PAAMS, and APAR. There should be more interoperability there, like how the De Zeven ships can spot targets for Aegis BMD.

>>35043724
Didn't the USN adopt the 57mm Bofors along with many other countries last decade?

>>35037206
Go back to pol

>>35043852
That seems odd to me. It seems only marginally better than the Su-57 frontally, I expect more than that. And a side RCS in the same range as a Rafale/Typhoon?

>>35040949
>Majority of Native Americans died do to disease brought by animal carriers before Europeans even landed there.
Nice alternative facts.

>>35044250
It wasn't immediately before, but yes, North America was post-apocalyptic when Europeans arrived.

Population density was too low at that time to explain all the work that had been done like forests planted in grids.

>>35037022
Why is cultivating the most advanced material science, aerodynamic engineering, engine design, and electronics package into a single system so hard?

The real question is, why haven't you built a 5th generation fighter in your garage?

>>35037762
Won't lie, all those doors opening gives me a raging boner. Even though more moving parts=more stuff to break.

>>35044432
I'm sure this was the work of disease too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_of_indigenous_peoples#The_question_of_colonization_and_genocide_in_the_Americas

>>35044599
>hurr states with multi-billion dollar defense budgets are bound by the same constraints as individuals working 9-to-5

>>35037584
this thread is about 5th generation fighters, it's not about fucking colonialism
jesus christ wtf is wrong with this board

>>35037762
If the F35B is capable of that then why does the UK's new carrier have a ramp?

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>>35037664
reeee Tom you were supposed to adapt Yukikaze next

>>35045645
iirc the UK isn't getting B models because of the sacrifices they airframe has to make for vertical takeoff. I could be way off though, maybe it's a cost thing instead.

>>35045903
I thought they were only buying the B model?

>>35045922
You're right, I just fact checked myself and they are getting the B for the QE class. I'm not sure where I heard the rumor from my above post, but it's wrong.

>>35037022
Because "5th Gen" is literally a meme.
That and IR sensing will render stealth planes fucking worthless.

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>>35045695
If Top Gun 2 does well, maybe (((Hollywood))) will be more willing to fund a Yukikaze adaptation. I'm not expecting a mindfuck like from the novels/anime, but a decent scifi dogfight flick with some cool designs would be awesome.

>>35045379
>Implying they are mutually exclusive

>>35042806

No, they've cancelled the pre-order and reduced their participation in the project almost to zero. Russia alone has no money to complete the development and start mass production of Su-57, so most likely this plane will never enter service, like all previous Russian prototypes of a 5th generation figher like Su-47 or Mig-1/44

>>35046155
I think they'll scrape together a squadron's worth as a pride thing, and just keep focusing on the Su-35 (which isn't exactly being built in stellar numbers either, certainly not enough to replace all the older Flankers).

>>35043324
Because America has always been cool with giving Japan magic tech.

>>35037767
LEWD

>>35039608
The fact is that america's propaganda actually is true. China has never fought the good fight, so all of their movies are made up.

>>35043902
You have no idea what you are talking.

>>35040524
Dassault can go fuck themselves and every Falcon they've ever built for putting the lav service panels directly adjacent to the pressure fueling panel and/or so far under the plane you have to crael to reach it. And then capping them with caps that are impossible to remove without lacerating your hands on sharp corners. And main gear cover panels are mildly annoying.

>>35042626
Airbus: The world's largest manufacturer of toy airplanes

>>35043202
I dont know if that counts since the guy shot down the F-35 with a godamned rock

>>35045960
>have IR as primary sensor
>fly into cloud
>now blind
>enemy shines laser at you
>also blind
>enemy puts ir emitter panels on planes
>enemy is indistinguishable from a cloud
Sure.

>>35037022
America intentionally crippled the aerospace industries of other countries (look up the Lockheed bribes) and then saddled us with expensive borderline vaporware like the F-35 which we have no real choice over.
I cannot for the life of me understand how one people can have so little self-awareness.

>>35046988
Now we only need high speed clouds.

>>35047240
More like flying into a cloud is the least thing you want to do.

Your IR signature couldn't be more obvious.

>>35037022

Engines. Nobody else can make the engines required.

>>35047246
Water vapor is pretty nearly opaque on IR. You can't see though it using a IRST system.

>>35045962
Yeah, one's weeb trash and the other is cheesy western action, though.

>>35037178
Yes it has bays between the engine nacelles

>>35037299
So what you're saying is fuck the Muslim immigrants - they should stay in the desert where they belong.

>>35037022
Most of the countries with the potential to build a decent 5th gen plane are in the F-35 project.

The others are Russia, China, and Iran, so you can guess how that's going for them. Oh and a bunch of poor shitholes that don't even know how to plug in a toaster.

>>35048883
Germany isn't a poor shithole though

When will India prove itself the world super power it is and produce its own 5th gen fighter?

>>35049483
When the DRDO isn't run by the Bollywood version of Tony Soprano.

This is to say never.

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>>35049466
>Germany isn't a poor shithole though
yet

>>35045645

Ramp makes STOVL launches less stressful on the airframe and decreases fuel requirements for takeoff, thus extending range.

>>35049483
India is way behind the tech curve to produce any military equipment, even the Turks are years ahead of them.

>>35050274
The Turks just have the Israelis upgrade all their shit

>>35050302
From my understanding the Israelis just upgrade the Turks' m60 tanks.

>>35040181
How fucking retarded are you?

>>35050394
Also their F-4s

>>35049635
Back to /pol/

>>35050066
What is inherently more stressful about falling off the end of a flat deck rather than having your enite momentum forcefully shifted upwards 20 degrees? Forgive me if im being ignorant, but it sounds like the ramp would be nore stressful.

>>35041051

... yes...

>>35052191
No. Not when loaded for similar missions anyways.
F-15
>47,500 lbf max thrust
>28,000 lbm empty weight
>Ratio: 1.7:1
MiG-29
>36,700 lbf max thrust
>24,000 lbm empty weight
>Ratio: 1.5:1
Start loading COMPARABLE fuel quantities and armament on both and things get even worse for the MiG. Just because the F-15 CAN carry assloads of fuel and weapons doesn't mean it HAS to.

>>35046968
Their airliners are a huge success and largely better than Boeing's.

>>35037100
Americans are rarely aware when they are watching propaganda.

>>35050579
As retarded as a everyone working in the German aerospace industry.

>>35052544
>737 MAX outserforms A319-21 in almost every metric
>Europe only lets airbus fly so the company doesnt crash
Yeah right, friend.

>>35053805
This is a nonsense post. The a319-21neo and the max are both good jets, sure the neo is outselling the max but they fill different roles.

The Airbus line has better stats btw.

Airbus gets orders because it makes good planes. No one forced airlines like delta or american to buy them in bulk.

>>35043131
>development gets 99% done
>breaks down because someone brought up comfort women
No, thanks.

>>35040544
muhreens are gonna put some raiders in the weapons bays and fly some F-35Bs behind enemy lines, and drop them. Stealth insertion brah.

>>35053927
Yes, the EU did. Non-airbus aircraft are incredibly uncommon in Europe for a reason, and it's, spoiler alert, not performance or price.

>>35039600

Any work BAE did on the F-22, B-2 and parts of the F-35 is completely firewalled from the UK. BAE UK has zero access to that technology.

You are surely aware of this, I'm guessing you are hoping other's are more ignorant.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxy_board

>>35040544
Operationally the F35 is STOVL, not VTOL, so not really. It's more just a cool thing it can do as a side effect of it's actual job.

>>35054180

Wrong. F-35 is STOVL. On LHD's and LHAs it will do vertical landing. Only on the UK carriers will it to rolling landings.

>>35054116
Uhhhh, almost every airline in the European operates Boeing jets.

Do you know anything about this subject?

>>35054525
Yes, they ooerate them on intercontinental flights and flights out of the EU, as well as rarely for intra-EU travel. But that's irrellevant since those are primarily Euro airlines, and the EU would never force their own domestic industry to stagnate due to a giant backlog.

>>35037100
What is American Sniper? What is Lone Survivor? What is Act of Valor?

The general public loves to suck military dick. For "muh patriotism"

>>35037836
Are you fucking autistic?

>>35043324
Because you're apparently an extremely poor student of history.

>>35048883
You're a fucking retard. Most JSF participants cannot build a 5th gen fighter.

And why did you even bring Iran into this?

>>35038148
There is only one Mach loop, and it goes through Wales and Scotland.

Awesome thing the UK has, just says "this general area is approved to fly low level at very high speeds." US low levels are 5 miles on each side of centerline for the most part so 10miles wide overall, then have some altitude restrictions on that as well which restricts the type of practice attacks you can do on various factories and such on the low level routes. Always would be nice to do a 30 pop attack so WSO bro has more time to get a good des on the target and lase it easily but sometimes have to go with 10 pop for altitude restrictions.

>>35037022
Everything is easy when you're rich

>>35054790

the US has star wars canyon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zdrFKiGSXI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORB5tl852Hs

>>35054790

US low levels are 5 miles on each side of centerline for the most part so 10miles wide overall, then have some altitude restrictions on that as well which restricts the type of practice attacks you can do on various factories and such on the low level routes.

Where did you come up with that bullshit?

>>35055050
From flying F-15Es. There are military airspaces where it isn't low level dependent and the airpsace goes from SFC to FL500 but those are not very common. Nevada NTTR and some others have that pass but it isn't as fun as UK low levels from what I hear.

>>35055036
Yeah, some good low level stuff there. My best low level experience was in the Mountain Home area going into canyons like you see in Independence Day. The "edge of the world
low level was great, going over a cliff then inverted right after to get back down low. Airspace there is known as "the world" so of course the awesome ridge crossing on one side of it as known as "edge of the world." So look at an AP1B to see what the normal low level route structure is, they're all fairly small.

>>35055208
Most of that second part of the post was meant for a reply to the first guy, to get things straight.

>>35050588
its true though and not even racist or anyting

There is a rational level of acceptable or optimal amounts of immigration. Flooding an economy with cheap labor can destabilize things and bringing in people form violent warzones WILL raise the crime rate.

Its is a fucking fact that much of Europe has suffered economically and had their crime rates rise because of EU authoritarian globalism increasing their immigration rates and not even holding votes in the countries to decide.

Its not racist to want to preserve your communities safety and economy.

Not even /pol.. im fucking liberal in the classic sense.

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GEE IT WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE IF THE US HAD SPENT SOME OF THAT F-35 MONEY ON MOTHER FUCKING ANTI BALLISTIC MISSLE TECH HUH?!?!

>>35050588
Also nice hitler dubs.

And it doesnt help the immigrants that are already in germany if the EU authoritarians destabilize germany with a weak Euro and more immigration which would lead to higher crime rates and worse jobs.

Nice everybody is a fucking racist meme though.

>>35055817
>Its is a fucking fact that much of Europe has suffered economically and had their crime rates rise because of EU authoritarian globalism increasing their immigration rates and not even holding votes in the countries to decide.


Is that what /pol/ tells you

>>35055866
chemical lasers suck dick

>>35055876
>destablizing Germany
>with a weak Euro

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>>35055866
Seriously?

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>>35055866
But they did

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>>35055887
I live in fucking Europe you fucktard. My friend, who is an immigrant himself, was mugged twice this summer and I was mugged once last year. This country used to have almost ZERO crime before the mass immigration policies.

AND my best friends in school are all immigrants, some of them Muslim and they are nice people but its common fucking sense that people who grow up in violent situations often adapt to their environment with violent behavior and often suffer from PTSD. Obviously I dont think that most of the immigrants are bad people but it's not acceptable for crime rates to sky rocket so until a solution can be found there is a rational reason to slow down immigration. Not to mention economic effects which can destabilize economies already in a recession.

But you've been radicalized by mainstream media into believing that ANYONE WHO OPPOSES MASS IMMIGRATION IS A RACIST NAZI and youre just fucking shitposting anyways. But not everybody deems American levels of violent crime acceptable in their communities.

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>>35055889
ANY LASERS WOULD BE NICE DESU

>>35055925
>>35055892
WELL IF THEY FAIL TO SHOOT DOWN A NORK MISSLE IM BLAMING ALL THE LOCKHEED JEWRY. RUMORS ARE THEY ARE 50/50 AT BEST AND AMERICA ONLY HAS 30-40 OF THEM.

Dont you think it's unacceptable that they dont have any sea based or air based anti ballistic missile tech operational? THEY HAD ONE JOB.

>>35047445
That would've been valid before colonialism. Now all bets are off.

>>35056048
We're proud of you and you're smart analysis of the world.
Now go back to /pol/ for good and kept being smarter.

>>35054161
Except for that work stemmed from work done in the UK at the Edinburgh Facility for airborne radar, laser systems, electro-optics and advanced projects. I know because I used to work there when it was a BAE facility.

If you knew anything about BAE then you'd know it's relationship with the US is different to any other company. hence why BAE was able to buy the most secretive parts of Lockheed in 2000.

The US board members are purely for purposes of liability. The same with data storage in the US. Personel and information is free flowing between the UK and US.

There's literally no technology that the US and UK don't share. Nuclear reactor designs, ICBMs, cyber warfare, electronic warfare. it all crosses over because both countries realise that trying to hide information from one another just makes working together more or less impossible.

It's been that way since British Scientists tricked the US into giving us their H bomb designs.

F35 is a joke. It die after all training versus rafale. The number is not the quality.

>>35056312
keep sucking authoritarian cock nigger faggot

>>35056506
>t-trust me guys, britain is s-still a superpower

>>35052107

You said it yourself. Having to gun the engine like mad on a shorter distance to higher speeds before sudden drop off and then needing to pull up at low altitude and hit the burners is hell on STOVL jets.

The ramp is actually very gentle on them, and gives them a trajectory without needing to ram the fuel down the stovepipe.

>>35056566
You must be very insecure if that's how you interpreted my post.

>>35054618
Hahaha is that what /pol/ tells you and you believe them?

Dude do some fucking research. Here's a quick example. Look up Ryanair.

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>>35056544
>He didn't write the word "cuck" once.

>>35054641
>The general public loves to suck military dick. For "muh patriotism"
That depends heavily on the demographic you're examining. Lots of the military dick sucking you see from people is a result of fallout from how badly veterans were treated during/after the Vietnam War. This doesn't necessarily translate into a love of country. Americans have an incredible ability to divorce support for soldiers from support for the miliatry and the nation as a whole. Look at all of these Hollywood types who put those movies up for awards. They'll wax poetic about the valor of the brave American soldier and then the next day talk about how they support slashing the military budget because the US is a racist imperialist nation. Also, the movies typically contain themes about the government as an antagonist, usually along the lines of not providing a clear and compelling reason for the soldiers to be making the sacrifices they are and/or not properly supporting them once they do. These themes are usually entirely absent from most other foreign propaganda films.

Chinese propaganda is much more effective at generating support for Chinese government policy than American propaganda. I would argue that it is because American audiences and filmmakers are used to and demand a higher standard of artistic quality when ot comes to major releases.

>>35056625
Do they not select full afterburner on a ramp carrier? I would figure that 10,000 ish lbs of thrust is something you dont want to waste when flinging yourself off of a boat.

>>35057872
The shittiest and cheapest airline in the world? Thats your example? Fuck.

>>35059026
There's more 737s flying in the EU than a32x jets in the USA.

Which kinda destroys the point that Euro airlines don't buy Boeing. They do, in huge numbers.

Just like us airlines buy Airbus jets in huge nunbers.

Both companies make a great commercial airliner. And shit military gear. Boeing can't develop a new military jet to save it's life, same with airbus.

>>35050582
They use a state-owned company called aselsan to upgrade their f-4s after the gaza flotilla incident.

They started doing that in 2010.
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/turkey-accepts-first-aselsan-modified-f-4e-phantom-339189/

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>>35040935
>muh dogfights

>>35059370
It's the opposite of dogfights

>>35056515
Type in proper english you idiot frog. And quit talking out of your ass without any source to back it up.

>>35059073
That point is largely irrellevant since youre comparing one country to a group of countries, especially since the one using Boeing more has Boeing within its borders and the one that uses Airbus more has Airbus.

Without data on how many planes are in each country and what there doing, its hard to say either way, and I was at work for 14 hours yesterday (as an airport lst) and I just dont care anymore.

As for hardware, Im hoping the V-280 does as good as it looks.

>>35037100

Burger here, this couldn't be further from the truth.

I just don't think jet fighters are very in these days, thanks to the war in Afghanistan. Most people associate the USAF with bombing terrorists currently, not dogfighting enemy fighters. Hard for Hollywood to make a film out of that.

>>35056506
>Another "WE ARE STILL RELEVANT. RULE BRITTANIA" shitpost

Fuck. I find Yanks and their chest beating annoying enough but at least theirs is founded in reality. When Brits do it, it descends to another very low realm of miserable delusion.

>>35059893
>Most people associate the USAF with bombing terrorists currently, not dogfighting enemy fighters. Hard for Hollywood to make a film out of that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_in_the_Sky_(2015_film)

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>>35037088
We indigenous engine now.

>>35059954
This. There are regions of China with more economic weight than the entirety of the UK yet they still wish to fancy themselves as members of that small and august group of superpower states. A group which the US and Russia will soon fall out of.

>>35037088
That trailer looks pretty bad.

>>35059976

Russia has already fallen out of it. USA will remain a superpower even when surpassed by China, as powerful local allies such as Japan (and increasingly India) will enable the US to counterweight even a superior China.

Barring a complete economic collapse, the USA isn't going anywhere as a superpower anytime soon.