Middle Eastern Wars thread

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>This outright strange contrasting blend of photos of armoured fighting vehicles, decapitated human remains and of precious moments spent with his newborns would continue until Abu Hamza's death on the 10th of August 2015, when he was believed to have been killed along with Abu Omar after fleeing his T-72 'Ural' in a failed attack on Kweres airbase. Unfortunately for the research on this article, most individuals involved with 'The Workshop' have been killed in combat over the past years.

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Modded PKM

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ISIS T-72

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>The armour arrangement on this tank is typical of earlier upgrade programmes by 'The Workshop', featuring slat armour on either side of the tank and around the turret, with the former having been applied directly over armour plates with only little spacing in between. The armour plates can easily be replaced after having sustained combat damage, which would be a feature of several upgraded tanks. Additional features include a layer of rubber just above the side skirts of the tank and three Kontakt-1 ERA blocks scavenged from a T-72AV protecting the gun manlet.

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>Also of interest is the placement of slat armour above the rear part of the tracks, which serves little to no purpose protecting the tank but is a nice touch nonetheless.

>Despite having received a boost in its armour protection, the armour arrangement of this tank is less than ideal and difficult to produce and install due to the unique parts it is comprised of. Unsurprisingly, this armour arrangement would later be replaced by a more conventional layout. T-72 '311' is however a tribute to the craftsmanship of 'The Workshop', carefully overhauled with an almost redundant attention to detail.

>>35033401
That's not a T72

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>>35033501
whoops.

ford f350

>>35033343
tanks before (((banks)))

Imagine if China gets a hold of their engineers.

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nickeled? AK

the armor workshop stuff is really interesting

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>>35033343

It's a shame the US didn't kill the Jihadniggers and their families being bused over from Lebanon.

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>>35033354
>>35033369
>>35033401
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>>35033494
It's a shame there's no real available independantly gathered information on these vehicles. Mass produced and homebrew WWII AFV upgrades were pretty well noted given the nature of the war, as were a lot of Cold War kits, but I can't imagine anyone's taking much time to document this ISIS work.

As despicable as they are, you have to give them credit for effort. I don't think many of us could speak to the effectiveness of these "upgrades", but it's still fascinating to see the evolution of their armored forces from technicals and killdozers to production upgrade kits for somewhat modern tanks. I don't know that any insurgency has ever had the ability to produce such things, most of it coming from organized armies. Honestly I think it's only a matter of time before we start seeing really heavy stuff like pic related, even if it is only for show and crew morale.

>>35033354
Those black outlines around the green really make it pop.

>>35033724
what the fuck is that

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>>35035814
Given the nature of soviet-built tanks, I doubt that's the only thing that'll be making it "pop"

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>>35033724
The madmen actually did it...

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>>35035969
The concept of inshallah at work, my friend.

>>35033343
>>35033369
>>35033494
The design of the cages is fucking retarded.No way in hell is this shit effective at stoping even the most basic rpg type.

>>35037930
If it manages to detonate the RPG, the damage will be small compared to a direct hit.

>>35037930
Its not supposed to stop an RPG. It is supposed to detonate the RPG before impact wit the body. Its still a hit, but a non-penetrating hit which protects the crew and allows the tank to still function.

The US literally used this same thing over there on vehicles. I don't know how this is a new thing to you...its actually decently effective at protecting a crew.

>>35037930
Some of the cages are stupid yeah. They clearly "kind of " get the concept, but not fully. The big factor that actually determines a cages effectiveness is the amount of inches the gap provides. If there isn't a decent gap it borders on worthless.

>>35038782
>>35039482
Like I said, he's probably commenting on how some of the cages border on worthless cause of negligible stand off distance.

>>35033343
whats the situation in syria? is there a plan to liberate dez? what will happen after the isis is defeated? how will the kurdish question be solved? what about turks in syria?
will there be finally peace in iraq or will there be another insurgent group?
is ana in afganistan losing? are taliban gaining ground?

>>35039722
1.
DeZ is currently a race of SDF Vs regime, and it looks like regime will beat them to it and break the siege.

2.
Too broad of a question

3.
Potentially could begin a 2nd civil war between Kurds and regime, because both seemingly are not willing to accept the other and cede territory.

4.
Turks are trying to get a foothold in the form of a puppet mini gov't, will be interesting to see what happens there because obviously the regime wants it's territory back. Turkey may sell out it's minions for a guarentee from the regime that YPG/PKK will not under and circumstances hold the border.

5.
Doubt it. Something will spring up again, give it a few years.

6.
Taliban are stronger than they've -ever- been in the past 10 years territory and manpower wise. So I mean that right there should tell you something.

>>35039767
Now mind you the it's the worst case scenario of the Kurdish question that a 2nd civil war breaks out, you'd -think- some kind of deal would be brokered, but consistently both opposing sides rhetoric is not one of cooperation and comprises. Both sides claim the other must get the fuck out, and both in response say nah to that. So it will come to a head, in less than a year probably.

>>35039794
what about fsa/al nusra would they join kurds or saa in the war between them they still have significant manpower support and territory how will Idlib be handled? is saa strong enough to conquer idlib? how did taliban grow so strong?
sorry for much questions and thanks for answers

>>35039851
Kurds wouldn't take Nusra even if they wanted to join them, honestly all that remains for Nusra is being ground out of Idlib once SAA focuses their attention back that way. They (SAA) don't have the strength to really do much there whilst putting effort into the race for DeZ they've been somewhat forced into, but once they can bring the bulk of those men back to Idlib again they'll slowly plow their way through I'm sure. Yes it'll take time and be expensive in terms of losses but they'll get it done eventually barring any other major events coming out of the blue.

Taliban have grown so strong again because there was nothing to stop them, whilst they were beaten low they were never defeated, and as soon as the US withdrawal happened they were free to start taking over areas again, recruiting new members and restoring their strength. Afghan army is largely a joke that can do nothing about it and has no authority with anyone in the countryside, hell they can barely hold their principal cities even with the ongoing support they get.

>>35039851
1.
I feel like the Idlib and remaining rebels will be concluded before a regime Vs Kurds fight will happen. I don't know, mind you I'm just estimating here.
I don't see how a split governance or power sharing agreement could occur since both sides seem pretty against it. It may end up like Donetsk with the miniature cold war of rebels just permanently owning a chunk of the country in this weird autonomous zone, but even that I have a hard time picturing but that's an option. Other option is regime clears it out. If a regime Vs Kurds fight happened rebels would pick neither side. But they'd surely take the opportunity to strike at the regime while they are preoccupied. Note how they haven't rocked any boats in Idlib for a while now. Just like how ISIS dug in and trained hard in Mosul during their "peace" time, HTS and other rebels in Idlib are taking this time to bolster the fuck out of their defenses.

2.
SAA on its own? No. "Regime" forces, ie: foreign milia's (Iranian, Afghani, Iraqi), warlord led paramilitary groups, Hezbollah, and Russians probably could. It'd be a fight , but id expect the ultimate victor to be the regime, I don't see rebels winning that fight.

3.
Was is bin Laden? I forget but someone said "Americans have all the Swiss watches (military tech) but we have all the time." Aka simply waiting them out. Let them get bored. Let them leave. Let them get war fatigue. The Taliban live there, they aren't going anywhere anytime soon. Americans downsizing forces and trying to pass the ball to the woefully corrupt and incompetent puppet government is failing. The Taliban aren't -massively- stronger than their opponents, but all they need is that sliver of an edge. You win elections 51 to 49. A deal may be brokered with the Taliban for some form of dual governance peace deal , which is hilarious that the Americans are considering this now, compared to what their past opinions of negotiation with the Taliban has been.

>>35033369
>Unfortunately for the research on this article, most individuals involved with 'The Workshop' have been killed in combat over the past years.
Not really unfortunate though

>>35033343
>putting your slat up against your skirt

why

>>35036027

LETS NASHEED

My thanks to OP for an interesting thread, and please do more of same in future.

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Jaish Al Islam display

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>>35040320

>>35033695
>modern(ish) HEAT rounds for their T-72s

Hadji goes hard in the fucking paint

>>35040397
No, probably old soviet BK-14 from 70's or yugo copy of it.
The best of them all is the missile for t-55 on the top left and BM-42 for t-72.

>>35040548
And that atgm shell they can't even use, they have no training for it.

>>35033376
that' pretty fucking flash there m8

>>35040320
>looking to buy?

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>>35040707

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Jaish Al Islam, trench digger

>>35039985
>For the research on this article
Read

>>35034696
Yeah man, I'm proud of our army for finally rooting them out and reclaiming our soil but I'm disappointed that they were allowed to just up and go.

>>35036027
I hope that's an MG3...

>>35040320
>>35040330
Link?

>>35043504
Not a video, and just from Twitter

>>35042641
wait.. so everytime it fires, someone has to climb back in and reload, then climb back out, and fire the gun?
Wtf? why not just cut open the turret... or remove it and just mount the gun?

Wth is the firing rate for something that shitty?

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>>35039467
Nebelwerfer?

>>35041189

Do these people not realize they have at best only a few months to live?

>>35033343
>>35033354
oh god. Remember when the muslims on /k/ said those plastic tube launchers ISIS had were actually secret Israeli weapons?

Probably gonna start now with these tank soup-ups

>>35044059
A destabilized mid east does benefit Israel the most though. Not saying that they are Israel's weapons.

Just saying that by the method of "cui bono". Israel has every reason to fuck up every mid east country around them. Israel has already expanded into southern Syria, annexing some areas is just a matter of time.

>>35044125
Israel doesn't want anything to do with failure syria and it's stupid problems. They're not going to invade squat.

I mean they'll keep Golan Heights, yeah, but that hasnt been Syrian for decades now and never will be again. If Assad was pragmatic he'd accept this and recognize Israel, giving him their aid in the process.

I thought ISIS was defeated.

>>35044152
If every country in the mid east fails and becomes anarchy or caliphate. Israel would have legitimate reason for a expansion war. Israel has a population density of 377/km^2, in comparison India has only 382/km^2, even Japan is only 336/km^2.

Israel literally needs living space for their future.

>>35044179
not really, places like england have a population density of 413/km^2
quality of land is a damn sight better though

>>35044025
It's a pillbox with an AT gun. Basically. These are far shots they are taking.

>>35040330
Okay, now they're just playing to much C&C Generals

>>35038328
>>35038782
>>35039482
I'm actually talking about the design of the cages itself.A good cage should disrupt the forming of the jet by damaging the cone intself.It's not about stand-off range, because the amount of distance between the vehicle armor and the slat armor is infeasible.

>>35045336
There was an Arabic version of Generals. The whole game is translated, GLA gets quotes in Arabic, the other two stay the same.
http://www.cnclabs.com/forums/cnc_postst16838findlastpost_Is-it-possible-to-change-the-language-quotes-are-spoken-in.aspx#post142422

Realistically speaking, there is bound to be a sizable group of them who have played the game. Albeit, they were probably in the bag with Americans and Chinese as far as not being able to see it's a clear ridicule of the three factions.

>>35041189

When will these Arabs learn to paint their shit flat tan and be done with this stupid camo.

>>35045336
>EA is responsible for terrorism too
When will someone stop their evil?

>>35033458
>protecting the gun manlet

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>>35047556
>Gun manlet

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>>35047742
>Gun manlet

>>35040825
This is actually fucking cool. In terms of looks anyway.
But... Why? I dont remeber ISIS having para troops

>>35033679
China probably knows better than to employ people working on an artisan level who aren't really doing anything effective anyway. You made the stupidest comment in an otherwise interesting thread.

What happens when the government troops and kurds are the only armed groups remaining in Syria?
Can kurds along with what americans remain go against the russians as well?

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>>35047909

Monkey see, monkey do.

>>35047742
>Al-Chihuahua
KEK

>>35047951
How does that work? Is the sear in the forward part of the trigger frame in the regular PKM, and the semi-bullpup has the sear in the rear of the trigger frame in order to move the trigger forward?

>>35033343
https://.twitter.com/MikaelThalen/status/666504835273887746
>aluminium lined anti-FLIR camouflage tented awnings for tanks
>Camouflage ponchos
What other anti FLIR cammo options are there? I don't think I have ever seen something like that in camouflage threads.

>>35033343
>Faceberg lets terrorists communicate freely using their site
Fucking jews.

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>>35044041
The funny thing is I said the same thing back 2013. It's a military enigma eastern Ghouta still has large fighting formations like JAI and Al Rahman. Not to mention JAI has tried to wipe out Al Rahman corp while fighting against SAA the whole time as well.

Well this is it in eastern Hama today and through early next week the Russians and SAA are making a final push there as Uqayribat villege has gone back and forth twice with the SAA retaking it while IS is making a last stand.

The Russians have lost 9 soldiers in the last 3 days in eastern Hama but it's worth it if they can wrap up eastern Hama in quick time frame. You got to break a few eggs to make a omelet. Then they can focus on Deir Ezzor.

Pic is the latest Russian solider kia. I have not paid attention to what unit/type of force these guys are from only that this time the Russians are actively fighting on the front line.

What are the Russian and Iranians doing recently outside of material support and training?

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>>35049362
This one was from a few days ago. Bear trap? , maybe but the Russians had to do this. The SAA couldn't.

>>35049390
Leading/managing offensives. They aren't numerous enough to just flat out do offensives on their own, but they're definitely a part of any command center of any regime offensive going on. For example Russians (and Russian contractors, think Blackwater) are 100% involved in the elimination of the ISIS Homs/Hama desert pocket and the push to DeZ.

Fun SAA custom command vehicle

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>>35049719
Derp

>>35033354
Dat camo tho

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Twitter Adam Haskasah aka Baathist, who I wouldn't put past straight up murdering a Kurd one day has the latest IS ambush of Iraqi PMU on the border between Syria and Iraq.

>tfw being captured alive
Life comes at you fast.

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Lastly what's left of IS in Raqqa , after heavy fighting and airstrikes they have been reduced to only a few neighborhoods. Very similar to the last days in Mosul.

>>35050464
So how has that fight been? How are the YPG/SDF doing as a fighting force these days? Are they doing better? Also are there still foreign fighters in the YPG?

>>35050440

PMUs are an undisciplined rabble. No better than lost hikers.

Moroccan Jihadfanboy is going to get some attention shortly, some undesirable attention. The penalty for supporting IS is death, where ever you may be.

>>35038782
That's not how slat armor works. It's basically supposed to catch RPGs between the bars so the warhead doesn't detonate at all, and if it does it can actually make HEAT even more effective due to standoff distance.

>>35044179
Israel needs more Lebensraum in the east

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yemen

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>>35051049
sauds/mercs flee while under houthi fire

>>35039962
>Note how they haven't rocked any boats in Idlib for a while now.

That's mostly because their last attempt to take Hama ended in total disaster.

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>>35051049

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>>35051049

>>35051103
They captured a number of villages and almost made it to Hama. Then they collapsed back to the old lines almost overnight. Were the casualties so bad that it wasn't worth the loot value they gained? I never saw any numbers for that battle.

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>>35051049
houthi mass-produced anti-material rifles

>>35050855
PMUs run the gambit from goat herders with guns to iranian and hezbollah sleeper agents with modern iranian gear. Though, its mostly goat herders.

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>>35051272

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>>35051272
,

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>>35051272
huge pod

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>>35051272

>>35035776

I think they're mostly one-offs, so it's hard to document them. There's a lot of fancy upgrades, sure, but they're all unique or just batches of one or two.

Photos are about all you can do to document it.

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This is NSFW so fair warning, but Peshmerga just wiped out some 370~ ISIS guys who surrendered to them, kek

Tied their hands up and shot them in the back of the head and dumped them in a trench

>ISIS surrendering to the Kurds of all the groups they could have surrendered to

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>>35051864
Asshurt spergs on Twitter about it but I say fair play to the Peshmerga, especially after what ISIS did to Iraq lol

>>35033700
great car cammo
take a while to see it
even its maybe 5 meters on the foto

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>>35051876
>>35051864
well if trump needs casus belli to abandon the kurds to the turks he just got it.

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>>35052025
Kek calm down ISIS

>>35051238
>I never saw any numbers for that battle.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Hama_offensive

Any groups taking "volunteers"? I am feeling suicidal and want to travel.

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>>35052414
I know just the guys for you!

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Government seems to be pushing for Deir Ezzor hard

How much are the Saudi's paying?

>>35051864
Well they were near certain to meet the same fate surrendering to SAA or their allied militias, so I guess going to the Kurds was a gamble on the unknown since I don't recall there being any large scale incidents along these lines documented before, largely because they've not been in a position to take such large numbers of prisoners previously.

>>35052025
It's kinda too soon, even if there is a plan fleshed out to cut and run they still need the Kurds for at the very least another few months.
Besides do you really think the US is ready to up entirely and hand the whole of Syria to Assad, and by proxy Russia? If they ditch the Kurds there's nobody else left to use as a stick for stirring shit, near enough all the 'moderate' FSA are either long dead, turned full jihadi or fled when it became clear those were the only other 2 options ahead of them, the handful that afaik still exist only do so because they've been sat in the middle of nowhere doing fuckall for years, and they are nowhere near suitable as a replacement excuse for ongoing US involvement in Syria because there's next to none of them and they have zero combat experience.

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>>35052694
Im not saying the US wants to turn on the kurds, but if/when it becomes convenient to do so it will be shit like this and pkk terrorism that will be used as the excuse

>>35052768
wonder if that poor guy is dead now or not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xrf1Df-XQ_M

>>35052588
Getting cucked in Raqqa was a major setback for Assad both in propaganda, and potentially strategic terms if it ends up becoming a full blown war with the Kurds next, Deir is the only other major prize left up for grabs and they really don't want to lose out there too.

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>>35052768
why whatever do you mean?

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>>35033343
>but also with fighters of various other factions fighting for control over Syria. Indeed, most appear to have bonded by their shared passion for armoured fighting vehicles, choosing to ignore whatever religious beliefs and other differences may divide them.
This is Mad Max tier or something.

Like they're gonna be some "Tank Clan" that worships Tanks in a Post-Apocalyptic Future

>>35052785
cucked in Raqqa ?

>>35053208
Kurds boxed them out before they could even hit Taqba with that boat assault they did across the river then completely land blobbed everything south of Raqqa so the SAA had no chance of getting in on the fight

>>35053225
SAA never went for Raqqa ...

>>35053512
Kek

>>35053522
u dont believe this ,so it irrelevant

>>35053569
Kurds beat them to Raqqa, you're a fool and ignoring reality if you don't believe the SAA wanted Raqqa, let alone Taqba

>>35053582
Tabqa yes, Raqqa no ,they want it same as they want to reclaim every part of Syria , but they defintely didnt have any serious plans for Raqaa itself ,if they advanced really fast and they had opportunity they would try to snatch probly ..they wanted Raqqa same as they want Afrin ,Manbij etc to be in their control , it would be nice ,but totally unrealistic considering situation at that moment

main goal of Raqqa campaign was to block the Kurds ( from advancing further ) and eventually continue advance towards Deir Ezzor, Deir Ezzor was and is priority over Raqqa ,Raqqa is to big of prize ,it would delay their Deir Ezzor plans greatly ,and they didnt want that 100%

>>35053660
Kurds accomplished all their objects, the SAA were slow on everything from getting the southern banks of Raqqa to Taqba and the dams

Kurds were just faster, and as a result the SAA got cucked which is why they are making a mad dash to Dez

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>#Syria Forces Resisting in #DeirEzZor city have become able to hear the sounds of clashes by the coming Soldiers lifting the siege

>>35053675
Kurds got cucked at Raqaa by SAA ,Kurds still didnt take Raqqa ,while SAA will connect Deir Ezzor very soon maybe in matter of days, you are living in land of dreams

>Russian SOF/SSO are now participating in battle on border with Deir Ez Zor east of Sukhna. Video show them firing ATGMs at IS targets.

https://twitter.com/warsmonitoring/status/903971785481363457

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>>35053699
The irony in this post, the SAA achieved none of their objects in southern Raqqa, no Taqba, no dams, no southern banks, they didn't cut off the northern banks access, they haven't even hit Ma'adan

Take off your fanboy glasses

>>35053715
main objective :block Kurds,status : achieved

Deir Ezzor connected :status:very soon

also your picture shows one good cuckage of Kurds by SAA ,nice picture

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>>35053715
look at picture , think for a moment , take a deep breath and accept the reality

>The biggest massacre in human history would occur, Uqayribat local council warns
http://www.aldorars.com/en/news/1382

Deir ezzor

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>>35053925

>>35053936
Deir ezzor

>>35049730
That's one way for an El Camino to go out blazing.

By an ATGM or VBIED.

>>35053732
>>35053760
>The SDF cutting the riverside Tabqa-Raqqa-Ma'adan route from the SAA.
>The SDF actually making progress advancing in Raqaa, the symbolic capital of IS and a densely clusterfuck second only to size and density to Mosul, in contrast to the wide expanses and sparse villages that the SAA recaptured so far.
>Ignoring that one time a year or two back when the SAA tried open a single corridor to DeZ after recapturing Palmyra, only to be assblasted on the way to Suknah and lose Palmyra for the second time.
>Ignoring that the SAA took over a year before they launched a multipronged attack in the DeZ countryside as they were busy in other fronts, as the SDF managed to push as far as Manbij to the west and as far as the northern bounds of Raqqa and northern DeZ province to the south.

That's not to say that I won't be rooting for the SAA to reach DeZ (They're making pretty good progress; breaking the DeZ siege would be the next major morale boast for them after the breaking of the Kuweires siege and the capture of Aleppo), but it's the SAA that got cucked by the SDF at Tabqa and Raqqa.

It's also common knowledge that it's only been a pipe dream for the SDF to make it to DeZ in the first place. It's simply to far out of Rojavan interests for them to even consider pushing that far south.

Fuck I already miss ISIS. As much as I despise their existence I almost sort of admire their efforts, from incredibly high quality propaganda videos and mad max vehicle mods to unconventional tactics and general ballsy-ness. For a while they were the most competent group in this clusterfuck, and now they have been stomped into the dirt by the US and Russia, seeing a full blown caliphate would have been interesting.

>>35054557
>densely clusterfuck second only to size and density to Mosul, in contrast to the wide expanses and sparse villages that the SAA recaptured so far.
Wat?
Raqqa is in no way comparable to Mosul
What is comparable to Mosul is Aleppo which was liberated by SAA

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>>35049399

For every one Russian there's a few hundred Jihad niggers that go into the soil.

And there's no shortage of Russians either.

RIP Russianbros.

>>35051864
>Tied their hands up and shot them in the back of the head and dumped them in a trench

That's a bit too humane, tbph.

They should take out their families too.

>>35052025

Why?

There is no place for these animals or their stunted 7th century ideology anywhere in this world. There just is no space anywhere on this Earth.

So the only solution is to destroy them, every last one of them.

Last I heard, those green buses with ISIS from Lebanon where still stranded in the desert, somewhere near Suknah, with US drones prowling nearby, still deciding whether to exterminate them.

>>35053585
>>35053936
Where do you find these maps?

>>35055252
mideast.liveuamap .com

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>>35055028
While it's considerably smaller in size, Raqqa is still IS' second largest city after Mosul regardless. By the SDF's standards and fighting capability Raqqa is a more difficult egg to crack compared to anything else in the Rojavan conflict, with the city still packed with multistorey hiding spots, entrenchments and tunnels. Aleppo's recapture is more of Western Syria's equivalent of Mosul.

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>>35035776
What boggles me is how they're able to capture some towns with FT-17 and A7V equivalents but their more modern T-72s tend to take the brunt of the casualties. What are they doing right with their WWI-era breadboxes that they're doing wrong with their Cold War hardware? Overconfidence in their MBT's abilities?

>>35055967
The breadboxes are rolling into towns manned by lightly-armed guys at best. They're rolling the T-72s into more towns occupied by more heavily-armed troops. A dozen guys with AKs and PKMs can be taken down by a decent-sized force with an armored box on wheels, but that box is going to be a deathtrap when it rolls up to a fortified position with TOWs or whatever guided anti tank weapons they're using in Syria/Iraq these days.

>>35040825
Hello deafness my old friend...

you guys remember this anglo reporter who did propaganda bits for isis? Any news on him? Did he die in mosul?

>>35056251
Cantlie was reported by Iraqi state media to have been killed in Mosul this July, according to an interview with three captured jihadis. His death is yet to be confirmed and he is still officially considered missing/captive. I have a feeling the remains are not going to be recovered and that he'll probably be pronounced legally dead in absentia.

Can we talk about the Iran-Iraq war.

>>35056647
Unless I've missed something notable the last few days there isn't one, and the current administrations are on pretty good terms with Iran supplying both advisors and disposable grunts to be used in meatgrinder fights in Iraq.

Generally this thread is about the current conflicts in the region, whilst historical events do get mentioned as the backdrop for todays situation at times, really you're better off making a seperate thread (or waiting for one to come up, they appear from time to time) if you want to focus on that war.

>>35052768
sigh...id prefer not to have the kurds as an enemy...they seem half competent

Do you think they'll ever reach a stage where they'll be able to engineer and produce they're own spare parts or complete heavy machinery?

I've always wondered how hard it would be to cast and machine the parts required, (maybe using an off the shelf diesel engine to save some time) considering the soviets and other countries did it nearly 80 years ago you'd think with modern cnc machines available today it'd be easy?

But then again i work with heavy earthmoving equipment and its hard enough to do basic maintainence let along build one with the amount of weight and power they have. Companies like caterpillar probably have engineers who have spent their whole life designing and testing ideas and they then get people who have just as much experience in metal casting, machining etc. To complete the build

>>35056730
I doubt the US will turn on them as in fight them, it'll simply be a case of walking away and leaving them to get raped on their own again, same as after GW1.

Also whilst they are certainly amongst the more competent forces at play, a LOT of their success is down to having US forces along for the ride and providing CAS, take those away and the Kurds wiould have to swiftly fall back to a far smaller area to stand any chance of not getting steamrolled.

>>35056737
Which 'they' are you talking about, IS?
If so then not anymore since they've already lost most of their industrial base such as it was. And even then when you look at what they were working with it was things like the odd drill press and manual lathe they would find in garage workshops, stuff like CNC machines I doubt you find lying around too many places in Syria or Iraq, let alone the people with the skills to operate them.
Building up enough heavy industry to build even clunky as fuck heavy equipment from scratch would take years, and worse yet be extremely visible since you can't exactly tuck something like a foundry capable of casting large parts or producing thick sheetmetal out of sight in a double garage somewhere in a suburb, and visibility is a whole other major issue to overcome when you have both the US and Russia bombing anything notable for fun.

>SOHR: intense clashes in East Hama results in 120 ISIS militants and 35 SAA and it's allies dead.


>Deir ez Zor, 18 km to break the siege

https://twitter.com/watanisy/status/904284637106720768

>>35056737
They were making their own mortar shells for a little while and have done a ton of bodywork and mad ma shit. But now they are nearly gone, all their urban bases are gone and they dont really have an opportunity or the time to build that sort of stuff anymore.

>>35053512
they totally did though, and got embarrassingly routed and smeared.

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>>35056737
they couldve, but not anymore. Caliphate ded

holy shit , for once SAA is advancing quickly.

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>>35057005
That sums up the action for today, that's plus some new action in eastern Hama. Other than this not much else new other than Al Rahman corp doing demos in Jobar again.

They claim they killed "about" 25 SAA but about building and tunnel bombs is most of the bodies are buried in the rubble and it takes time to recover them so you can't say x number is killed without estimation.

Who will be the next insurgent force in the region after ISIS finally dies out?

>>35058007
Rather astounding considering that at some point 5 Star predicted that DeZ might fall to IS, but it's becoming clear that we might be seeing the contrary.

>>35058212
IS won't really die out because they could simply melt back into the population to conduct asymmetrical fighting or lay dormant, like they did during the surges in Iraq.

Even without IS in the equation, the Nusra Front/HTS is the second most viable threat given they operate some semblance of governance with links to Al-Qaeda.

>>35058212
ISIS 2.0

Curious if the'yd keep the branding. Quite a powerful identity.

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>>35058256
That's true but my caveat was unless the SAA throws everything into a Deir offensive which is what they did. I was saying they have to do this or else Deir is going to break.

More maps of Deir Ezzor today.

>>35058212
>not realizing that ISIS is just a US black op to avoid the whole COIN troubles entirely

how do you think ISIS came to afghanistan?

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>>35058445

>>35039767
SDF and YPG could get to DeZ faster than SAA but remember that SAA still hast its units there. The SDF wont be able to completely lock out the SAA like they did with Raqqah.

>>35052588
they need reinforcements and cannot let the SDF get there before they do.

>>35058212
I have to say that in Syria Tahrir al-Sham will probably be the biggest Salafi Jihadist group there

>>35058115
I dont want to be defending the cunt Julani, believe me I hate him and Abu Jaber, but HTS is trying to make itself less of a front for AQ and more of a national Syrian force. They dont want to be called part of AQ anymore. Still bad people.

>>35058315
Lastly i predicted IS would be forced to do a mass retreat from northern Syria a year before it happened. I said it over and over again. Of course nobody is giving me credit for that.

situation in myanmar escalating

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0FBB2Bvs88
https://youtu.be/IdmLhCw905A

these people need help from Islamic State

>>35058684
is this the start of a global war against islam?

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>>35058007

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>>35058684
https://youtu.be/udoDdz39hi0

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>>35047742

>Abu Ahmad Al-Chihuahua

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Yemen

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>>35058901

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>>35058901

>>35044034
Looks more like chinese 107mm MLRS.

>>35058066
Where at?

>>35058901
Whats in yemen?

>>35044025
Would you want to sit in the turret and fire that thing?
Russian built and 70+ years old... i would want a hill between me and it when it fires.

>Deir Ezzir:It's 8km now

https://twitter.com/sayed_ridha/status/904413377753006080

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>>35058901

>>35057985
not even talking about that.try follow the conversation.

also Deir Ezzor 8 kms.Dont miss the liberation.

>>35058901
>>35058920
Dead Saudis? Are the Saudi ground forces capable of fighting the Shias in Yemen?

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#Syria #DeirEzZor (UNCONFIRMED) Masyaf News network Latakia News Network Posting #SAA #SyrianArmy / #TIger_FOrces have "Arrived" #DeirEzZor

>>35044125
>Just saying that by the method of "cui bono". Israel has every reason to fuck up every mid east country around them. Israel has already expanded into southern Syria, annexing some areas is just a matter of time

Well you know what? I'd do the same thing when everyone except Egypt and Jordan publicly wants genocide against my people. Fuck 'em.

>>35058901
>>35058920
>>35058960

Looks like a good Saudi niggerabian harvest for the Houthis.

Based mountain men.

>>35058315
>>35058640

Eat shit Jihad fanboy. You've never been right except for being a straight up dick suck for the Wahhabite inbred cause.

I hope you get yours, wherever you are.

>>35059193
most likley mercenaries. because they bring their own tanks >>35059085

>>35059193
but this >>35058960 is inside of an saudi border post. which get regularly raided by houthis/yemen army .

Where did isis get tanks in the first place,complete with ammo and ERA packages and spare parts

>>35060130
Pretty sure they captured plenty of armour that the Iraqi security forces had received both from the US and Soviet Union that were not destroyed during the Second Gulf War.

>>35060202
Not just in Iraq either, they had similar successes in Syria for years where troops would turn and run at the the first sign of IS showing up, leaving them to capture anything and everything in the area, from a few trucks or tanks at a time to whole depots on occasion.

Wonder if ISIS is gonna cling to Deir ez Zoor proper or do a tactical retreat once pressure is heavy.

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>#Syria #DeirEzZor a #NDF Soldier who helped Liberate Sukhnah and now towards #DeirEzZor Says Gates of Al Tayyim Oil Well captured.

>>35060525
Where can they go anyway?
They are fucked properly when DeirEzZor is liberated and its siege lifted.

I hope 5 star gets upset again, just like when Aleppo was liberated. If i saw that man and knew it was him id rape him on the spot and take his money

>>35060525
Those who are going to turn tail and run are probably already gone or leaving as we speak. Same thing happened in fallujah

>>35044025
There are a lot of cases of booby-trapped ordnance that will explode and kill the gunner and loader, so these guys do this to avoid that scenario. You'll see the same string technique used for mortars and ATGMs

DEIR EZ ZOR SIEGE LIFTED
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
CALL THE SUICIDE WATCH AND HEAR THEM LAUGH AT YOU TOO
AHAHAHAH

>>35060662
such is life when picking up your ammo on side of road

Remember the guys in this thread who thought that the regime was going to get crushed by ISIS and assad's wife end up in a slave Slave Auction?

>>35033369
>when he was believed to have been killed along with Abu Omar after fleeing his T-72 'Ural' in a failed attack on Kweres airbase
DRUZED

>>35033343
>canadian blog posting about how the literal Islamic state posts WACKY tank memes on faccebook hahah look at them go, putting their differences aside!
Not even surprising at this point.

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>>35060751
They are probably dead by now. Poor children.

>>35060794

Canadian here.

Gonna bring those Jihad-fanboys up with the RCMP.

The penalty for supporting ISIS and their brand of idol worship is death.

>>35033376
Russian sof or Isis deluxe edition?

>>35060720
When did Suheil start growing his immaculately maintained sharpie beard? If you look at his older pictures, he looks like an arab hitler with a comfy cape flanked by heug bodyguards. And now he is this bear mode mensch isis fathers hide their sons from. So different that a virgin Hassan/chad Suheil pic could be made.

>>35060794
Canadian? I think it's the .ca link because -im- Canadian, but I think this Oyrx guy is Japanese.

>>35051864
As horrible as executing pows are they would've just folded into other jihadist groups. Or worse, "refugees" for Europe.

>>35061117
He was too busy to maintain it to the wax figure look lately.
I personally dont care if he is a gay rapist, as long as he murders and conquers land back for the syrian people.
Even the russians gave him a medal and a sword for bravery. That man is special.

>>35061230

>ISIS
>POWs

Where are the terrorist enablers now?
this thread, even this board used to be a safe-heaven for them

HEY 5 STAR
LOOK AT WHAT THE RUSSIANS ARE DOING TO YOUR LOVED ONES
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1igJ77lsBs

YOUR FRIENDS ARE DYING AND YOU CANT DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT AHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>35061783
>My god! There was an skeleton inside this man!

>>35033343
>Facebook, Google/Alphabet (YouTube), and Twitter want to censor anyone who's right of John McCain
>Let ISIS and Al-Qaeda sites/pages exist

REALLY STIMULATES MY TREE NUTS

>>35061840
Everything should exist mate imo. For the perspective of history.

>>35061230
I feel like executions are counter productive in the long run. Not being ISIS apologist but theyve genuinely had strong armed conscription in some provinces, I don't find executing anyone very kosher, especially conscripts. Maybe I'm Idealist but I like the concept of American exceptionalism.

>>35051864
Christ, that's like being an SS officer and choosing to surrender to the Soviets. Good for the Peshmerga; anything to piss off the fucking roaches.

>>35061241
I agree with you in that actual performance trumps personal charcteristics. I have been talking up Suheil's homoerotic appeal to people to illustrate the secular nature of Assad's government. The optics of a fairly open homo man leading the vanguard of Assad's efforts to reconquer the country messes with the stereotype of "repressive arab regime that represses repressively". His before image was of a generic arab that stood out for the anachronistic (and in color!) hitler clone appearance. Whilst his after appearance is one more in line with current western concepts of hypermasculinity, with the attending harem of youths(male) providing a "current year" homosexual twist to contrast against the usual arab stereotypes of islamic homophobia.

What happened to the poster here who everyone suspected to be some kind of Iranian analyst?

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>>35061951
> genuinely had strong armed conscription in some provinces

Wars in the middle east have always been about control of land. If you have a few dozen guys from any given area to deal with, are you really gonna just send them to the rear for a while then let them go back home? No; you kill them and keep fighting your war, and when the time comes you go to their now undefended homes and make yourself comfortable until the next motherfucker does the same to you.

>>35061783
This is from some Latin American insurgency a while back.

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>>35061696

The Jihad-niggers and their Neo-Cohen dick sucks all crawled back to AR15.com.

>>35061951

>I feel like executions are counter productive

Spotted the Millennial weeping vagina.

That's literally analogous to saying "if you kill the terrorists, they win".

Jesus, fuck off.

You destroy the men and their seed, vanquish their women, etc.

No go back to your cuck porn.

Well fuck me, the SAA actually showed some competence and broke the Dez siege. How many years were those poor buggers holding on for?

>>35062819
>All this edge

>>35052025
>Thinking Trump cares about human rights in what is considered a buttfuck nowhere country, let alone previous American administrations.

>>35062773
jej

>>35062551
my bad, I can't tell by just the hair or (giggles) skull

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>>35062844

>He thinks the basic facts of life are "edge"

Go crawl back into your mother's festering sex hole.

>>35062874
Christ they could have at least taught the poor kid how to use the squeegee properly.

>>35062819
I don't know if you're trolling, retarded, or just so deep into the kool-aid that you've turned into a nigger.

>>35062908
>I don't know if you're trolling, retarded, or just so deep into the kool-aid that you've turned into a nigger.

Oh look, another faggot that cannot even formulate a coherent argument.

>>35062819
>>35062865
Consider the following.

Soldiers that surrender don't shoot you.

Soldiers will typically only surrender if they think that they won't die.

Your goal is to minimize the number of your own guys who are incapacitated (KIA/WIA/MIA or POW) relative to the number of enemies who are.

Therefore, if you don't publicly kill POWs, you will achieve your strategic goals at the cost of less resources.

This is incidentally why the US took 80,000 Iraqi troops prisoner during the 1991 Gulf War, and made it a point to treat them as well as logistically possible. There is a combat advantage to doing so.

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>>35062831
3 years, if you don't count earlier sieges between 2012 and 2014 by non-IS rebels before IS kicked the rebels out.

>>35062936

Lol, what kind of garbage is this? Probably typed up by some 19 year old with no credentials.

Don't waste my time with your babble.

>>35062984
I know you are, but what am I?

>>35062984
lol

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>>35062984

>>35058066
did they take down some suicide bombers, or am i missing something here

>>35063654
ISIS were surrounded and kamikazed into them

>>35033744
pretending to be an air strike and detonates an IED.

sad. So sad.

>>35062936
You can't argue with edgy kids

>>35035969
MG3......the modernized MG42

>>35042045
Nope......that is an M60..... remade into a movie prop.

>>35063654
Yeah. Suicide bomber wave. On foot.

This was on the Mosul front nearly a year ago.

>>35063850
Counter-nope, it's an MG42 remade into a movie prop

>>35060662
That, and I suppose for the T-34 in particular the ammo it's using is either ancient and/or refilled on the field, so even if it wasn't intentionally sabatoged there's no guarentee it'll go off like it should.

>>35059548
Why don't the ME countries get called out for this when Germany wanting the same was enough to warrent it being bombed to the ground?

>>35062936
I'm with you. We don't need to execute these guys, we simply need to stop giving them any of our resources while they're locked up. Let nature take its course.

>>35064224
Because Germany riled up other Western superpowers and Western interests, whereas the mess in the Mideast involves countries, saved from probably one, that are neither influential or matter much to the Western world (while the rest of the world outright give no fucks).

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>>35058901
Good

This is sort of out of the way with my question, but who do you guys think is going to end up the victory at the end of the war? Just getting into the Syria happenings so I'm curious to see opinions

Also DeZ SAA offensive now ~4.3km from held DeZ space (livemap), one report saying a line broke through to support the besieged soldiers
They must be happy as fuck

>>35065326
>12 VBIEDs stopped by ruskies and co.
that offensive will break through

>>35065338
Not that it matters since IS is bleeding resources and manpower (not even captured equipment can keep them running at the rate of loses they receive), while the SAA has managed to push the frontline so far east that it would take a miracle of a counterattack for IS to beat that line back.

>>35051864
good luck getting any more people to surrender after posting what you do to your POWs on the web.

>>35065438
Hey, at least they're transparent about their hatred for ISIS fighters. And (most of) these fucks deserve it for representing an organization that's done everything to look totally unsympathetic to everyone but their own.

>>35065300
if this image were any more compressed, it would have formed a black hole

>>35052462
:D

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Press F to pay respects.

>>35061840
Friendly Reminder
/k/ is a board devoted to weapons and military equipment.
Discussions about politics or current events belong on /pol/.
>>>/pol/

>>35065905
Social media is a weapon in the form of propaganda. All effective armies use or used propaganda.

>>35066083
To classify an act by those running a social media platform as propaganda, there need to be collusion or direct support for the political force posting the propaganda. Amaq, Al-Bayan and Dabiq are pure propaganda because their platforms are openly sympathetic to IS. Ditto with pro-government state media.

What Twitter does is more of self-censorship and enforcement of a localized brand of political correctness based on insular ideas among management that feefees need to be protected. It is a /pol/ matter, not a /k/ one.

Also, Twitter regularly kills combat-related Twitter accounts for Islamists in Syria and Iraq but they're hard to snuff out because they can simply create new accounts like roaches. That OP is full of it.

so will isis lurk in the desert from now on? Do they still hold any relevant towns?

>>35066294
Weren't all the goat fuckers from previous battles shipped to Idlib?

>>35066294
Abu Kamal and Al Qa'im down the river on both sides of the Syrian-Iraqi border would probably be their last strongholds since they're both large enough to support men and equipment there.

>>35058212
US won't let ISIS die out, they'll keep them breathing as long as possible until Kurds grab as much land in Iraq as possible, and than US will support the creation of an independent Kurdish state in Iraq which will be hostile/rival Iraq, and sometime down the long road, find some excuse to rei-invade Iraq (if conditions allow) to "defend Kurdistan" (as long as the US doesn't instead choose to invade Iran with the help of Kurdistan being a waypoint). ISIS came into existence because Iraq was drifting into becoming a puppet of Iran, US will never allow that to happen.

>>35058701
>global war against Islam
You mean the global war with Islam?
ISIS appearing in Philippines after Duterte started talking shit about the US isn't completely random, anon.

>>35066371
>Kurdistan
Way to give Turkey to Putin on plate

>>35066378
Kurdistan won't be created within Turkish borders. It will go on a massive landgrab across Iraq.
Turkey will be satisfied with a partition of Syria, probably. I'm certain the US can easily coerce Turkey back in line with Israel & gulf countries and a few under-tables oil smuggling contracts through Iraq. There are important pipelines running through Iraq and Syria.

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>>35066389
Also forgot to mention that the US is pretty much sending a clear message to world leaders of talk shit-get hit ( see >>35066376) and Erdogan is probably smart enough to think twice before locking horns with the US if he doesn't want the US to start secretly sponsoring a coup/uprising in his country, given how fragile his position is.

>>35061711
ISIS has more mercy then these russians criminals

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>>35066410

>>35066389
If Kurdistan wiil be created on Turkish borders, it will be enough to Erdogan go buttmad

>>35066410
>Russian criminals
>Some chechen actors in the striped shirts
>Slav music in background
Fake as hell

>>35066447
>Erdogan gets buttmad
>Trump starts talking about how there are human rights violations/oppression in Turkey
>All of Europe follows suite with Trump
>Erdogan sits he fuck down
Erdogan is not retarded. While Kurdistan in Turkish borders will piss the shit out of him, he wants to stay in power. The US will remove/oust him quickly if he goes out of line.

>>35066376
You're full of shit. Abu Sayyaf in joined IS in 2014 and the Maute group joined 2015; both organizations have existed for years before that (AS has been around for over 20 years and regularly stirred shit in and around Mindanao during the 2000s and 2010s). It's got nothing to do with Duterte being in power.

>>35066480
>existed for years
And suddenly surged to power just now. Before 2017 the Philippines army had these guys held by their throats.
Why does the idea of proxy wars sound alien to you when it existed for thousands of years?

>>35061806
3spoopy

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>>35058871
Hopeless situation; like poetry

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With all these tanks being overhauled at "the workshop" I wonder how many were lost in combat?

>>35066485
But only because IS had been receding in Syria and Iraq for two years and foreign fighters who could get out found that they're better off returning to their homelands to share their fighting experiences and logistics to help host their own little wars, just as little IS upstarts in Yemen, Afghanistan and Libya did.

Also, it's bullshit that the Filipino army is competent enough to reign them in. AS and Maute have shown that they can still melt back into the population just as quickly as they attack. The Army and Navy has done jack shit to prevent regular kidnappings and hostage taking by these groups. Plus the government raided the Maute group's HQ in early 2016, yet 8 months later the group proceeded to bomb Davao City. The battle at Marawi is unprecedented, but you would think that the army was well-prepared for this, especially when you claim these rebel elements are being squeezed.

>>35066548
>ISIS upstart in Yemen
You literally mentioned a country where ISIS was paved the way to get into, just like in the Philippines, to fight Yemeni pro-Iranian proxies.
>Go home and share their experiences
Bullshit excuse, doesn't explain the logistics of the current ISIS upheavel in the Philippines (arms and ammunition and manpower, all well provided in a time where ISIS is suffering back in its own homeland, its no fucking coincidence)

AS and Maute have never been anything worth mentioning. Their peak was kidnapping and beheading of a British Journalist, they've never been much more than a bike gang attacking guard posts. Now out of the blue, ISIS is holding a town and fighting a hot battle with the Filippino army. Just months after Duterte started talking smack at the US and combating drugs under a heavy media smear campaign in the west (Hello, CIA cartels).

>>35066410
that changes everything
im with her now

>>35066560
>You literally mentioned a country where ISIS was paved the way to get into, just like in the Philippines, to fight Yemeni pro-Iranian proxies.

If they really were an effective CIA plant as you claimed, why did they never reach beyond controlling a tiny patch of land in the middle AQAP country? Even AQAP looks more viable as a suspected CIA-sponsored group than IS in Yemen because they're far more successful in carving up a little patch of their own land there. IS in Afganistan is dwarfed by the Taliban, and IS in Libya is pretty much reduced to guerrilla group.

>Now out of the blue, ISIS is holding a town and fighting a hot battle with the Filippino army.

AS and the Maute group held territory in Basilan, Tipo-Tipo, Butig before. In fact Duterte egged the Maute group to attack Marawi after the group gave him the finger after he warned them as they seized Butig 8 months earlier.

>Bullshit excuse, doesn't explain the logistics of the current ISIS upheavel in the Philippines (arms and ammunition and manpower, all well provided in a time where ISIS is suffering back in its own homeland, its no fucking coincidence)

You are aware that it's easy to acquire small arms and basic infantry equipment in the southern Philippines, right? With the past rebel activity there, plus the ransom money they get, they can afford to stockpile weapons acquired through the local black market as easily as the Moro Islamic Liberation Front and Bangsamoro Islamic Freedom Fighters has for decades.

All that is left to is just as easy to do. Gather as many available fighters as possible over the course of months, wave guns around in groups in a town to assert control, and identify good spots in and around town to take pot shots at approaching enemy soldiers.

>>35066560
>AS and Maute have never been anything worth mentioning.

That's bullshit too. AS has long-term experience in bombings alongside kidnappings. The sinking of Superferry 14 in 2004 comes to mind, as well as strings of bombings in Mindanaon cities through the 2000s and 2010s. And the Maute group is made out of members that splintered from the MILF (which has a similarly long history of armed insurrection and violence until the 2014 ceasefire) mixed with foreign fighters looking to satisfy the itch of fighting for IS.

>Just months after Duterte started talking smack at the US and combating drugs under a heavy media smear campaign in the west (Hello, CIA cartels).

>>>/pol/

>>35064224
>wars between countries are the same as targetting a specific group of civilians within your country
its like you're not even trying

>>35066560
>ISIS upheavel in the Philippines (arms and ammunition and manpower, all well provided in a time where ISIS is suffering back in its own homeland

You seriously think that they shipped the guns and manpower out of a heavily monitored conflict zone halfway around the fucking world instead of sourcing it locally from their lawless region that has been the home of banditry and insurgencies on and off for something like the past 700 years?
And that the only alternative to this is the CIA attempting to undermine a leader who is just attempting to play the US and China against each other for more gimmedats?

>>35052414
there are much better things to do with your life while you have it

>>35061951
I feel u

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>>35062819
only sith deal in absolutes