So instead of going HK416, army wants new 308 rifle huh?

>>35026440
Exeter report in

I'll take Shit That Will Never Happen for $200, Alex.

The Army puts floats trial balloons for this constantly. Nothing ever comes of it. Nothing will come of it this time. Nothing will come of it next time. Nothing will come if it ever.

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>not going to explosive rounds.
Really, UN says that we have to use ball ammo but doesn't mind when we drop bombs of molten lead on them.
I don't get the human race. They contradict themselves too much.

>>35028046
that only applies to official states or something like that though, that's why we can use chem weapons on terrorists.

>>35026440
>Going for the HK416
>Not the superior LMT CQB16

>>35028059
ok we know it's you Chris Bartocci

>>35028058
It should be who has the best weapons and right ways to use them, wins. Not the bullshit crap it is now.

>Interim Combat Service Rifle will replace the M4 carbine
Ah, like how the XM8, XM29, SPIW, G11, M16E2, Steyr ACR, SCAR and 416 were supposed to at various points in the last 50 years. Only one that actually has the innovation to stand a chance at adoption is the LSAT, and the rifle component probably wont see the light of day until the LMG has proven itself.

They do this every 5 years or so. They do their tests and cost calculations and realize that sticking with the m4 is better.

Carrying 210 rounds of 5.56 is better than 100 of 7.62. 7.62 rifles are heavier too.

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>>35028066
Say what you will, but I don't lose any sleep at night for having flame throwers banned from warfare.

>>35028074
apparently the SCAR was not a matter of not being better, but just not being better enough.
special forces love it and the military had to order a bunch of conversion kits to turn the mk18s into mk17s.

>>35028091
you have to take the SCAR program in context when the M4 tdp was to maximize parts compatibility with the M16A2. After all the M4/M4A1 upgrades in the early 2000s, the M4 was equal to the Mk16.

SOF like the Mk17 because the only other 7.62 battle rifle available was the EBR M14 (shit) and KAC SR25.

>>35028119
oops, confused mk18 and mk16.

How about that Knight Armament M110K5, would that work?

>>35028119
Do they have access to HK 417s? There are SBR variants of that, like the SCAR.

why don't they just make soldiers train harder so they can handle carrying .308?
different individuals don't have limits on how strong they can be within reason (excepting women),
i see no reason as to why you can't get your average male soldier strong enough to carry it.

>>35028146
Fits all criteria except barrel length, though I wonder if the 14" barrel is the reason its so light.

>>35028165
but if they want to replace a carbine what are they asking for rifle lengths>

>>35028163
Because the current kit is already ridiculously overweight with the M4. More muscle doesn't help much when the current weight is grinding your joints up.

>>35026440
artillery kill more man than small arms
fact

>>35028176
IDK man. Its probably a big tax fraud or something.

>>35028163
Lol wut.
The carry capacity for your average trooper doing an extended on foot patrol has more or less been the same for past 3000 years.

Unless you're adding rugged exoskeletons or robot gophers you ain't convincing anyone to set a decent pace loaded up with heavy bullshit.

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>>35028046
>>35028058
>>35028066

>>35028163
Nigger long range patrols have people carrying 120+ pounds>>35028165

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>>35028074
Replacement is mistake. And they fall in the same trap agsain.

On the other hand supplementing squad with high performance DMR is thing that was need to be done 40 years ago but is buried under "replacement " over and over again.

The army loves to spend their budget, that way they can justify asking for the same, or more, the next year.

Vietnam taught the US that the team with the most ammo, usually wins.

.308 Auto loading rifles, like the SCAR 17 are lighter than ever. But the SCAR 16, in 5.56, is roughly the same rifle, roughly the same sized package, and carries more ammo. 5.56 isn't as effective, but it's good enough.

Makes no sense to switch. IMO it's just the army spending money under the guise of "technological development"

>>35028088
ICSR trials will be with a 210 round load of .308

>>35026440
What circular logic led you to believe the Army was going to replace the M4A1 with the 416?

>>35028163
You can't train your knees to not get ground to dust by a 120+ pound load.

>>35028074
>Interim Combat Service Rifle will replace the M4 carbine

It's not a service wide rifle, try keeping up.

>>35028165
With the stated purpose of dealing with high end body armor don't expect a short barrel.

>>35028058
willy pete doesn't count

>>35028163
it's more that we have to wait till exoskeletons are in wide use so the average soldier can start carrying automatic .50cal everywhere

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>>35026440
Thats right. And nothing will come of it. You know why?
Just because you look for something doesn't mean you will find it.
Someone still has to make the gun they want, and so far no one has.

>>35029180
and then realize how heavy that is compared to 5.56

>>35028163

Because overall weight matters alot and weapon caliber for small arms not so much.

>>35028163
This has to be bait. I refuse to believe someone is legitimately this stupid.

>>35028192
Yes but the military has already slapped fire control onto every piece of artillery they could find.

>>35028063
He isn't wrong LMT>HK

>>35028278
faggot

>>35026574
this.

In related news, DARPA is asking for an all-in-one turnkey solution for all their simulation and CAD format conversion woes. BUT - instead of writing it up as converting all existing data over to an internal or classified format accessible only to contractors and engineers AND commissioning a completely new software suite to go along with it (LIKE THEY SHOULD), they basically want more of exactly what they already have - a tangled fuckweb of conversion tools and inconsistencies between formats that take days to iron out PER FILE.

These problems have existed for the past 30 years, and there is no reason to believe they will change in the next 5 or 10.

the .308 rifle will only be given to grunts when in a theater that demands it. everyone else, everywhere else, will still be using a M4.

i think the biggest problem. is that the army will have to train 300+ meter shooting to most of the army. they'll also need to issue optics more poweful than an ACOG.

>>35028046
>the UN

No thats wrong

>>35026440
>interim combat service rifle
You're not even going to fucking wait until you have the new design before you shit out tax money for a different replacement?? And arent the 416's already on order?? Are we literally going to be changing out rifles every year now or something?
And what about trials, commissions, bringing in new designs and rifles like we used to do? Holyshit America, just give into the 6.5 wet dream and stop the bullshit

Why not SCAR? Best looking rifle ever made

>>35032647
Because the army with the best looking gun always wins

>>35032376
>Holyshit America, just give into the 6.5 wet dream and stop the bullshit
It's been speculated that's what they want to do and will eventually re-barrel a potential .308 rifle to some 6.5 offering. .260 Remington or 6.5 Creedmoor would fit the bill as far as ease of conversion.

>>35028090
Theyre not. You just cant use them when there is a good risk of burning civvies. They are also bullet magnets.

>>35028243
youre wrong, though

LMT is better anyways

>>35032673
I dont think that the "new rifle" would have such a big advantage over a scar

>>35026440
What's with America's fascination with full-sized rifle caliber service rifles? Didn't we learn our lesson with how big of a failure the M14 was?

>>35032712
If creedmoor was chosenit would be literal spank material for me

Muh knees, muh 5.56

>>35031334
sad but true

>>35026440
>50,000 rifles procured
Sounds more like they're shopping around for a bigger beefier SDM raifu.

>>35026440
>instead of a retarded decision, army makes an even more retarded decision
Yep, sounds like the US Army to me.

>>35032845
I mean this is just a bullshit fake trial to inflate the budget so they can get more next year. But there are legit some people who are too stupid to comprehend that battle rifles are retarded as a mainline infantry weapon.

>>35032647
This is the opposite of true.

Also fuck the SCAR, it's overpriced and overrated Mall Ninja bait

>>35032647

The SCAR or a variant is probably in the running.

>>35034855
It's too expensive. I'm pretty sure they're looking for something cheaper than the M110A1 or they would have just bought more of those with shorter barrels.

>>35033886
>>50,000 rifles procured
>Sounds more like they're shopping around for a bigger beefier SDM raifu.
That's somewhere around how many infantrymen there are in active duty.

>>35034934
The scar is actually super cheap to make, fn just likes to gouge the civilian market. The army would get them at about the same price as a new m4.

>>35032647
>1 ft tall rifle with ugg boot stock
>best looking

Yeah that's a no from me

>>35035309
SCAR is for basic bitch manlets confirmed

>>35026440
I blame Drumpf for this.

Stupidity in the Oval Office has a tendency to infect the military.

>>35035391
0/10 work harder on your bait /pol/

>>35035362
No I meant that the distance between the hand guard and the top is too much

>>35035695
Exactly. If you're a small man, you need a tall gun to compensate :^)

>>35035362
Hey! I'm not basic

>>35028091

SOCOM set the requirements.
SOCOM conducted the testing.
SOCOM moved the goalposts as requirements kept being added over 7 years.

At any time during these seven years SOCOM could have had M4s and M16s and sent the bill to the regular Army budget.

So what changed? In 2009 the Democrats slashed SOCOM's budget by 15% across the board and added an extra battalion that needed to be recruited, trained and equipped for every group. In 2010 these budget cuts hit and the SCAR program was scaled back.

SOCOM's PR worded their press release to the blogs so that the rifle would be blamed on "limited funds" without detailing the budget cuts and personnel requirements. Their goal was to get people to the conclusion that it was the rifle that was at fault (despite meeting or exceeding all of the requirements)... and not their new bosses in the administration.

Despite this a month later all variants of the SCAR passed Milestone C certification including the Mk16. They can order some at any time without further testing if they had the budget.

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tl;dr version
>You get to make your own custom car.
>You set the specs, the testing and have the money.
>You lose the money because of Obama.
>Your friends ask you why you're still driving your old car when you were bragging about the new one.
>You say it wasn't good enough when your "limited funds... are taken into consideration." to cover your shame.

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>>35032712

>It's been speculated that's what they want to do and will eventually re-barrel a potential .308 rifle to some 6.5 offering. .260 Remington or 6.5 Creedmoor would fit the bill as far as ease of conversion.

>>35037063
Thanks obama, now grunts don't get another new shiny moral boost that will cost 6 million and kill 60 hadjis. 100,000 per hadji isn't too bad come to think of it.

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>>35026440
why not go 6.5 Creedmoor if you want a new heavy hitter

https://www.huntinggearguy.com/general/6-5-creedmoor-vs-308-winchester/

>>35037137
I think we spend more than that droneing the fuckers

>>35029201
He's confusing the army and the marines, and I don't blame him, they all eat crayons.

>>35037164

because of royalties that need to be paid to Creedmoor.

>>35026440
>Yfw this is all a ploy to pick up the MDR

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>>35032712
>>35037118
>Knowing the Army, they would be retarded enough to go with the dead .260 over the mainstream 6.5 creedmoor.

Only retards and Larue (what's the difference?) go with .260

>>35037229
Saami approved rounds don't have royalties paid to anyone. That's why Bill Alexander refused to saami spec his shit for the longest time.