what could have been

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>>35005596

GULD BOWMAN APPROVES.

Don't worry, China will make a better one.

would look better with a single engine and with the fins connecting to the wingtips

>>35005620

HAHAHAHAHA, no.

>>35005620
I think you mean Iran.

>>35005624
Fins connecting to the wingtips? What do you mean?

>>35005596
I want this plans to suck my dick.

>>35005596
It would have been a disaster.

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>>35005611
*blocks your path*

>>35005877
*an aesthetic as hell disaster

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>>35006956

>>35005877
it performed better than the YF-22 in every way except for being a tiny bit more maneuverable, which in modern warfare is hardly a problem because you aren't gonna be fuckin' dodging those missiles. The YF-23 was faster, had a smaller RCS, could carry more missiles, and looked a fucktonne of a lot better, oh, and also, it was fucking CHEAPER, we could have kept the factories open for those planes far longer than the F-22, the F-23 coulda been our mainstay fighter, but instead we got the fucking F-22, which can do fancy airshow maneuvers a tiny bit better, and costed significantly more, and then, because of costs, the government decided to cut production short! We damn well might still have F-23 factories if it weren't for Lockheed pulling some political strings...

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>>35005596
It's so fucking pretty

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>>35008490
HNNNGGG

>>35008490
From the top it actually looks awful desu.

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>>35005596

>>35009237
Go away, Sprey, nobody likes you.

>>35005596
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/08/29/north-koreas-antique-airplane-could-be-its-most-dangerous-weapon-yet.html

>>35008490
No its not

>>35009251
autism is a hell of a drug

>>35009290
Yes it is.

>>35007871
Lockheed came in on budget with the F-117 program, but Northrup turned the B-2 into the most expensive aircraft ever build. Don't count on wingboos to not fuck it up.

Also, there's this one angle where you can see the widow's compressor blades.

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>>35009290
>not liking the trapezoid wing
Anon you might need your vision checked.

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>>35005596
Missed opportunity.

>>35009956
Saved, thanks anon.

I still want to find out just how fast the -23 could go. I would assume it was airframe heating or canopy limited but it could do ~1.8M on ~22,000 lbs of dry thrust, so with ~35,000 on afterburner, mathwise it should do ~2.8M

>>35010070
Thrust and top speed aren't linear, anon.

>>35010127

It's a cubic function. Drag squares with speed and power requirements cube with speed. I did some back of my napkin style math.

>>35009956
I want to see this breed with an f35

>>35007871
Lockheed's plane also demonstrated useful capability like actually firing weapons. I don't know where the cheaper came from. The YF-23 was more expensive.

>>35010164
Not when you hit transonic and supersonic speeds.

>>35010164
>power requirements cube with speed

No they fucking don't. Why are Yanks so bad at science? This is something we learn about here in the UK in what you would call the 8th grade.

>>35010901
Ooo new hanger pictures

Getting to see it in the old hanger was neat
You could practically crawl underneath it

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>>35010963
New hanger you say......

>>35009251
What's next? Gliders?

>>35010070
>>35010164
>~22,000 lbs of dry thrust
This at the sea level zero speed without intake losses. Thrust is function of altitude and speed. This kills napkin math.

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>>35010814
Not him, but you're a fucking retard.

>>35010164
Thrust and power aren't the same thing. In steady level flight, thrust = drag, so thrust follows the square of speed and propulsive power follows the cube of speed. Propulsive power is thrust x true airspeed (yes, that means that even 70,000 pounds of thrust is making zero propulsive power when stopped on the runway).

But another thing you're ALL missing is the variability of air density, which is key for a supersonic jet. You don't go mach 2 at sea level. Nobody's ever even gone more than mach 1.4 at sea level. They achieve higher mach numbers by climbing into thinner air, to mitigate the increasing drag. Pic very much related.

Additionally, the YF-23 would very likely have been compressor temp limited to around mach 2.5 or less. Both the F119 and YF120 used titanium LP compressors, which have less tolerance to high mach than the nickel superalloy compressors the J58 used throughout. Additionally, both the F-22 and F-23A were to use fixed-geometry inlets which are less efficient at high mach, resulting in hotter inlet air for a given mach number than the SR-71 or even the F-15.

Not that it matters, because with the exception of flight-planned supersonic recon flights, combat jets rarely ever reach mach 2 anyways.

>>35010814
............Is this the science that you Brits learn in your third world nation? I'd show you the derivation behind it but i get the feeling that basic Calculus would cause you brain damage

>>35010814

https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/b932012104d3739e8e98daa43ddf5380d3c46f0b

Maybe I just suck a math but that equation works for NASA...

>>35011866
>>35011668
>>35011205
Stop responding to that braindead bong and please understand that he doesn't represent our (Europe's) scientific literacy. They quite literally have the worst general education systems in all of Western Europe.

>>35011866
I'm not sure why you're replying to someone from a country that has never had any space programmes of note. Bongs are dumb and aeronautics science has never been their forte.

Still find it interesting that its biggest flaw was where its weapons bay was located created too much torsion and stress

>>35007871
The YF-23 was also cheaper because it wasn't completely finished. The YF-22 was chosen because it was a more conventional design, farther along in development, more structurally sound, and not attached to the roaring dumpster fire that was 1990s MD. The YF120 getting sidelined is the real travesty of the ATF competetion.

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>>35005596

>>35009251
>Fuckhueg radial engine and metal prop
>Not triggering radars

>>35011955
The YF-22 was chosen because Northrop just get mega B-2 contract . Should not place all future eggs in one basket, you know.

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>>35007871
>could carry more missiles
No.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_YF-23#Specifications_.28YF-23.29

2 x AIM-9
4 x AIM-120
1 x M61

Note that provisions were made for these systems but never actually fitted. Stop spewing misinformation.

>>35007871
Some guy that worked with Northrop was talking about this plane during trials and he was making the remark that dick cheney was the biggest douchebag he ever met, and that he came into the picture with his mind made up already that the F-22 was going to be the winner without knowing anything

Dick Cheney's wife was on the board of directors at Lockheed at the time

how the fuck did dick cheney become sec of defense anyways

he had 5 draft deferments in vietnam

>>35005596
Even sitting on the tarmac as a prototype, it looks more advanced than any of the 5th gen planes flying today

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>>35005596 (OP)
If we'd have built the F-23, we'd probably only have 125 of them, given that they were more technically complex than the F-22. Then everyone would be complaining about the lack of numbers (even more than they already do today) and how we should have built the F-22 instead.

The F-22 is a treasure. If the USAF should ever find a few extra $$$ they should modernize the fleet.

>>35010936
S E X
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Y'all can give me crap (and you should, as I'm an AeroEngFag and should know better), but I'd love to see a bomber version with dorsal intakes and a completely flat ventral surface...

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>>35013480
IIRC there was tentative proposals for one in the years leading up to the LRS-B/Interim bomber program, but nothing ever materialized.

>>35008490
God those nozzles are aweful.

>>35013537
>dislikes literal B-2 nozzles
>can't spell awful

Opinion discarded

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>>35013527
There was also a single engine variant proposed.

>>35013581
Don't particularly care what they are, they single-handedly ruin the aircraft's aesthetics.

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<<This is Wizard 1, the Demon Lord has entered the net.>>
<<This is Wizard 5, roger. Let us begin.>>

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>>35013753
go away she's beautiful

>>35013608
what the fug

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>>35015182

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>>35005596

>>35011965

But it has canvas covered parts, so that's like stealth coatings!

>>35015211
>looks like a stealthy F-16
Bonerfuel; would be even stealthier with a bump-style diverterless supersonic inlet like the chinks use to hide the fanblades...

>>35015211
That is sick. I guess we would have that rather than the F35A. Probably better. The F35B is where it is at though.

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Ooh honey

>>35011668
Yank calling ANY other country except Burkina Faso a third world country..

>>35016971
Lewd

Also, was that vane intended to be some kind of (limited) thrust vectoring thing? I didn't think the 23 had that.

The black widow was such a perfect jet. Gutted the silly raptor won the contest.

The B1-B and YF23 must be the two sexiest things man has ever created.

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>>35017022
That's my guess, or it could create a nozzling effect.

>CALLE CALLE

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Good God

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>tiles in front of the intake

I didn't even know this area got hot. High pressure zone?

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Smooth. Doesn't look as "organic" as the F22 or F35. Less curves.

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>>35017039
More lewd.
I guess it must have had some thrust vectoring capabilities.

The B2 and YF23 both use thrust vectoring, and air ionisation to improve handling and stealth.

Look into ionisation, field propulsion and zero point levitation for more information on what potential 6th and 7th gen fighters will be powered by. Some great stuff out there.

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>>35017131
>air ionisation
What does this do in the B2?

Also, apparently the metal arch across the canopy was very unstealthy. Who woulda thunk.

It is also worthy to note that the Selected Acquisition Report (with which United States lawmakers track the cost of major U.S. weapons projects) valued the B-2 program at $45 billion. With 21 aircraft built, that works out at $2.14 billion each, twice the cost as stated above.
After taking off conventionally, the B-2 has the option of switching to anti-gravity mode. It has been said that using its anti-gravitic technology, the B-2 can fly around the world without refueling.
The F-117 stealth fighter also has hybrid propulsion and lift technologies which may be electro-gravitic systems. Utilizing conventional thrust for public take-offs and landings, switching to anti-gravity mode would allow an extended cruising range, lightning fast maneouverability, and for shrouding the airframe in invisibility (by having its local counter-gravity field bend light around the airframe).
How are anti-gravity systems controlled?
It has been known for sometime now by "Black World" technologists that the key to controlling gravity is Element 115 on the Periodic Table - Ununpentium. The most important attribute of this heavier, stable element is that the gravity A wave is so abundant that it actually extends past the perimeter of the atom. These heavier, stable elements literally have allegedly their own gravity A field around them, in addition to the gravity B field that is native to all matter. By controlling the gravity A wave, you can control gravity. By fuelling an aircraft reactor with ununpentium, you have an aircraft capable of using anti-gravity propulsion.

>>35017130
no, just nozzle

Thomas Townsend Brown is a name to look up if youd like to know more about gravitic propulsion and ionisation. A lot of this stuff has been buried for security reasons, and a lot of scientists 'suicided'. So I'm reluctant to post too much more. Encourage you all to look into it if fascinated by cool shit.

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>>35017153
>apparently the metal arch across the canopy was very unstealthy.
What metal arch?

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>>35017088
This is boundary layer removal system. Metal plates with small holes, boundary layer was sucked out through them. Though final F-23 was supposed to have another type of intake, diverterless like F-35.

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>ywn see a dogfight between a su-47 and yf-23

Why live?

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>>35017540
>YF-23 dogfight
It is like using USS Nimitz for ramming ships.

>>35017508
That's a neat material.
Unless your filename lies, I guess they were going to ditch the split canopy in later versions.

>>35017519
Oh I see, that makes sense. Is boundary layer the same reason some jets have their intakes "separated" from the main fuselage? I seem to remember reading that's what the little bump in the F-35 intake is for too.

>>35017175
Element 115 is better known as Elerium.

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>>35017519
>>35017571
This is very clever, but I'm guessing it was difficult to figure out without some kind of fluid dynamics analysis.

>>35017131
To the best of my knowledge there is no thrust vectoring on the B2. Can you source your claim?

>>35017175
Anti-gravity propulsion is sci-fi. If you assert otherwise, please provide a source link.

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Hnnngg

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>>35017519
This is frickin cool, never seen this on a plane before (or after). Does it have a big RCS? Otherwise it seems like a good way to deal with boundary layer turbulence without needing to separate the intake from the plane body.

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>>35018826
non stealth jets use splitter plates or shockwave cones
surprisingly the B-2 uses a kind of splitter plate

>>35020057
FEED ME ENLISTED

>>35020057
I always thought that "lower intake" was air that was mixed with the jet exhaust to cool it down slightly and reduce IR signature. Maybe they do that with it as well?

But yeah I thought maybe the holes on the YF-23 were a neat way to deal with boundary layer air without a splitter plate (unless it detracted from the stealth of the aircraft) that could have made it onto other planes. But then Lockheed came up with their "Diverterless Supersonic Intake" in the early 1990s. I suppose that's why the F-22 has a splitter intake, since it was designed pre-DSI intake.

The timelines add up, since the Advanced Tactical Fighter program that spawned the YF-22 and YF-23 was initiated in the early 1980s.

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>>35020209
>I always thought that "lower intake" was air that was mixed with the jet exhaust to cool it down slightly and reduce IR signature. Maybe they do that with it as well?
it does that too yes.
Don't know if the forward swept thing on the exterior side of a F-35 intake has this role too
they tested it on a F-16 and that's neat

>>35020057

that boundary layer thats passed under the intake is part of the engine/exhaust coooling

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>>35020239
I think >>35017610 is the F-35 intake, it's just a hump. More stealth but less exhaust cooling. But I suppose they could just divert some air from inside the intake for cooling purposes, doesn't have to be taken from a diverter/splitter.

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>>35020282
Here is F35 vs F22, showing the advances in intake technology made between the designs

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I know I'm not the only one that thinks the YF-23 looks fucking ugly as sin, right?

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>>35020327
You're the only one.

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>>35020327
delet this

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Where were you when we said no to TILES ON A FIGHTER