worst of the worst

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Seriously. Just because the Yankfats have swing wings doesn't mean that you automatically should launch your own swing-wing fighter programme, and then proceed to create an abortion of a fighter.

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This piece of shit

>>35000974
>Sergei, I want fighter too look like phantom, but must swing wing
>I know what must be done, Boris, I will make plane
>that is it? "Make plane?"
>дa тoвapищи

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>>35000942
Damn it italy

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>>35001122

>>35000942
What's wrong with the A400? Is it because it's not americuck?

>>35001525
Can't do parachute jumps from more than one exit point. AFAIK no solution can be found to this

Can't safely refuel helicopters in the air. Proposed solution hasn't been fully tested yet

Ramp gets damaged if you load anything reasonably heavy on to it

Engine problems - Several instances of loss of power in flight (software problem caused one to crash). And cracking materials. Had to replace the whole fleet of in-service aircraft's engines at cost to the company

>>35001846
And do you realise how many problems the C130's had when they were first introduced? It's not like this is any surprise.

>>35001871
How late and over budget is A-400M these days?

>>35001871
The C130 was introduced almost 60 years ago.

Sixty years ago, cunt. This means that LockMart have a perfect excuse as they were more or less pioneering this class of aircraft. Airbus literally has no excuse for all their bungles when their machine is much newer and has the last 50 years of knowhow and advancements to benefit from.

Im not even American but that excuse you gave in order to defend the dumbfucks at Airbus must be one of the most braindead apologies Ive seen on this site. The end point is that a plane that recent from a manufacturer that large shouldn't have problems that were solved by the Yanks in the 70s and 80s.

>>35001986
This. I actually cringed at that vatnik-tier deflection of his. You know your plane is shit when you're using 50s engineering problems as your defence.

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>>35001871
>a400
>built by several nations
>all of them suck at building planes
>engines are shit
>software is shit
>frenchies design a door that can't close properly and the gyros can't even hold the damn door
A400 is to euros what the F35 is to americans

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>>35001871
....are you by any chance Russian? Im just curious.

>>35002013
Maybe the F35 5 years ago, but even that bird is actually maturing.

Everything American that goes as bad as the A400, they actually cancel.

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>>35000942

>>35000942
Tail from a C-17, Fuselage from a C-141, and Engines from a C-130J, yeah lots of design innovation, great job Airbus!!

>>35001165
>ripit
I giggled a bit

>>35000974
Funny how some air forces literally retired their 23s before their Mig 21s

>Took the Hercules nine years till it could fuel helicopters

>A-400M has been in service for four

>>35002198
T-tail isn't unique to a C-17

Fuselage is nothing like a C-141

Engines aren't from a C-130

Critique from ignorance

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>>35002013
>>frenchies design a door that can't close properly and the gyros can't even hold the damn door

How much of this is teething issues and how much are genuine design flaws that can't be unfucked?

>>35002051
They haven't cancelled the F-35 you dumb faggot

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The A-400M at least does its job as a large tactical airlift. Biggest European abortion has to be pic, it has managed to make UK helicopter procurement look intelligent by comparison, which is always a bad sign.

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>inb4 f35 shitposting.

>>35002468
>royally ASSBLISTERED frog detected

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>>35000942
Never was issued, but the development of both the Nimrod MRA4 and the AEW3 variants were a hopeless shitshow even by the standards of the rich history of British military procurement mysteries.

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>>35001165
>Marine with a ripit and fag on
>Osprey crashed out

Ahh..two things at peace in their natural state.

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Was cancelled for being utterly useless, but not until a vast pile of cash had been spent

>>35002908
I've heard some brits bitch they should have stuck with it instead of buying the P-8.

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F-104 G

It was the best and the worst...

>>35002013
I thought the Eurofighter Typhoon was the Euro F-35

>>35003531
The eurofighter actualy works pretty good...

>>35003455
That might have something to do with the fact that they spent 3.4 billion £ to modernize handful of old as fuck planes only to have 'em scrapped. They spent more money on Nimrod MRA4 than they will on P-8's.

>>35003070
I wonder if something like this will return for the drone era, like a cheap TOW platform for low-flying UAVs, or just a basic laser array on an MRAP.

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>>35003558
>The eurofighter actualy works pretty good
So does the f35

>>35002688
>f22 was better
but it was tho. i mean, the f35 is great and all but the f22 was a better fighter

>>35002104
(you)

>>35002104
Hi tank thread general

>>35002908
Looks like something from science fiction. Hard to believe a comet variant is still in active service. I know britain has been cash strapped for defense spending but this is scary.

>>35004511
lemme put it to you like this: At the racetrack, you want an F1 racer. But for your everyday average task, going to work, buying groceries, going to the movies, you just need a solid daily driver, because the F1 racer costs waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much to use for your every day driving tasks.

The F22 is the dominant air supremacy warplane, no contest. But the F35 can do 90% of the F22's job at 50% of the cost, and a plethora of other things was well.

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>>35002104
Le egy hipster

>>35003070
It's mind boggling that something so seemingly simply like a SPAAG could be so fucking costly.

>>35004511
For most roles, the f35 is Superior.
Not to mention, the f22 is basically dependent on the f35s sensors.

>>35004014
Nothing basic about it, probably not cheap, but Boeing is selling something alot like what your talking about as an Avenger replacement.

http://breakingdefense.com/2017/08/goodbye-mig-boeing-general-dynamics-debut-anti-aircraft-stryker/

>>35002413
Not really, the 23 is much more complicated and therefore more expensive to maintain than the 21. The 23's biggest fault was its underpowered engine more than anything else.

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>>35000942
>the fucking BR monkeys will design a better cargo aircraft than the yurocucks

What at time to be alive.

>>35003070
>Was cancelled for being utterly useless

No, it was for almost murdering the entire general staff during a demonstration. If they could just figured out how to get it to do that for the enemy it would be the best weapon ever created.

>>35005249
>Not to mention, the f22 is basically dependent on the f35s sensors.

Other way around actually, and this is with the F22 not even flying with all its sensors and electronics since Clinton canceled them at the last minute.

>>35004812
>But the F35 can do 90% of the F22's job at 50% of the cost

Nice meme. If the F22 had been produced in similar numbers and used the same manufacturing techniques as the F35 it would cost almost the same.

>>35006606
>If the F22 had been produced in similar numbers and used the same manufacturing techniques as the F35 it would cost almost the same.

Key word being "if"
the f22 is far more expensive to maintain regardless or unit costs.
F22 has
Two f119s engines
More expensive R.A.M.
You gotta realize, the f35 was designed with easier cheaper maintenance in mind.

>>35005222
>something so seemingly simply like a SPAAG

I believe they are a bit sophisticated, with radar-guided controls and stuch. Kind of hard to give a guy a a joystick and have him eyeball it in the jet age

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>>35002686
Absolutely fucking this, fuck our politicians for buying these instead of blackhawks

Pic is 4.5" howitzer mounted on a BT7, result is high profile, too heavy for its chassis assault gun that couldn't kill T34s, theoretically it would've had 150mm penetration but the fuzing was bullshit

>>35001122
By that logic, every plane and heli sucks because they've all crashed at one point or another.

>>35002104
>absolute massacre of Iraqis during the Gulf campaign.
>survives direct hits from IEDs
>can slap on additional armor and gear

(You)

>>35006933
Hey, gotta make do with what you have.

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Maxim > Browning

>>35006960
>absolute massacre of Iraqis during the Gulf campaign.

could have been m60s and they still would have massared the iraqis

>>35002686
What's wrong with it?

>>35006514
even the windshield has BR colours

>>35003070
It was so bad it killed any US SPAA development for more than 40 years.

>>35006933
>blackhawks are better than the NH-90
Do you have any info to back that up, or are you just talking out of your ass?

>>35000942
>ITT: People making unsubstantiated claims about vehicles they know nothing about.

I swear to God, these threads are almost as bad as the "F-35 sucks" and "Abrams vs. T-90" ones.

>>35006578
[citation needed]

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>>35004756
>Looks like something from science fiction

the RAF was big on that in the 50s

>>35006947

It's the osprey you idiot there have been lots of crashes in them. There was one of the coast of Australia a few weeks ago while the yanks were here on exercises

>>35007139
There was a bid for blackhawks I recall, atleast they would bloody work, our NH90 fleet was down most of the time and the startup sequence often took almost an hour because the electric system kept breaking. I don't have first hand info anymore but I truly hope that after years of upgrading they are finally usable

>>35007195
Anon is exagerating a bit.

>In February 1982 the prototype was demonstrated for a group of US and British officers at Fort Bliss, along with members of Congress and other VIPs. When the computer was activated, it immediately started aiming the guns at the review stands, causing several minor injuries as members of the group jumped for cover. Technicians worked on the problem, and the system was restarted. This time it started shooting towards the target, but fired into the ground 300 m in front of the tank.

Pretty fucking pathetic still.

>>35002686
>it has managed to make UK helicopter procurement look intelligent by comparison, which is always a bad sign.
Hory shet
What did they do?

>>35003455
Picking no maritime patrol aircraft was the worst opinion available. We lost decades of experience operating the platforms, as well as our ability to properly cover the North Atlantic.

As a Brit, the P-8 looks great and I'm looking forward to us receiving them in the end of the decade. Even if the mra4 had gone ahead, they were shagged out airframes, and anything we could homebrew would really only just be a British equivalent of a Poseidon, but with fully British electronics and on a different airframe maybe. We lose nothing by buying American.

>>35004756
They aren't, we retired all airframes when they started falling out the sky in the 2000's. It's scarier that we have had no meaningful maritime patrol capability since then.

>>35002686
So are you saying the Wildcat, Lynx, Merlin, Chinook, and Apache are all poor procurement?

>>35004086
But it lost to an F-16 in a dogfight.

>>35007739

the helicopters were fine, the procurement procedure was ill advised.

The Merlin was expensive for what it was, the assembly of the Apaches was far more expensive for not really much extra, and the worst was the Chinook software fiasco http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7434763.stm

>>35006514

>t. Brazilian

Even when there's no flag it's pretty obvious to spot the BR monkey trying to be white.

t. Argie

>>35002453
>the solution to refuel helicopters from turboprop cargo tankers has been discovered fifty years ago
>A-400M has been in service for four

>>35007739
As helicopters they're fine. The whole process of accepting them into service was a mess.

>>35001986

Ether'd

>>35007825
>trying to be white
Why are you argies always concerned about being white? You never will be. At least the Brazilians know they're not.

t. Americlap

>>35007825
I'm Argentinian and this is cringy as fuck, mate
get a fucking life
also, the KC-390 is part argentinian as well (although barely, IIRC some composites on the tail section and control surfaces are made by FaDeA)

>>35007745
IIRC it was definitely not a dogfighting test. It was a testbed F-35 running a test with something like a 7 G limit embedded in its fly by wire software. And it was loaded with other testing equipment and fuel. The F-16 was flying with it as a reference point and to monitor the airframe. So of course the F-16 will be able to out turn the F-35 in that instance. That story just got turned into "F-16 can beat F-35 in a dogfight" by shitty journalists looking for clicks. And Red Flag more than proved that wrong.

>>35000942
USMC Growler.

>>35006455
mig 23 was a shit aircraft and a mistake same as mig29 and the proof is his misarble combat record and that mig 21 is till used more than mig 23

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>>35008105
fuck, forgot the greentext.

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>>35002908
>>35003455
>>35003975
>>35007503
I remember they scrapped them after the election. Its a shame they were really useful aircraft, back before the defender and shadow / sentinel came in service they would linger and monitor ops, and could provide fire support with missiles.

>>35007492
RAF pilots were indefinitely seconded to US maritime patrol squadrons, we had crews and observers on US carriers, they do similar things we had god knows how many observers seconded to us to see how we conduct COIN

When i was based at akotiri in cyprus i was surprised to know how many of the U2 pilots were british on secondment.

>>35007759
The apaches add quite a few feature TBF, better engines, better avionics, easier maintenance.

>>35007948
I was speaking to our AAC pilot in afghanistan, last deployment before he retired.

According to him the entire Aviation regiment had a total of one lynx, and it took a year for them to get their second airframe delivered.

50 Odd pilots were fighting over who got to use the sole lynx on a daily basis. It was being used 18 hours a day, 365 days a year. By the time they received the 5th air frame 30 months after the firsts delivery, the first airframe had to be retired due to cumulative stress.

I think they retired them just in time, one of the guys that crashed in 2014 was known to me.

>>35000942
A400 is actually an excellent aircraft. Cost is the only reason you wouldn't choose it over its competitors.

The cost is undoubtedly the fault of the design process. but the end result is a solid aircraft with no issues that can't/haven't been solved with minor modifications.

>Airbus literally has no excuse for all their bungles when their machine is much newer and has the last 50 years of know-how and advancements to benefit from.

Are you retarded? Do you think completely different airframes with different designs share the same design quirks?

That's like saying Mazda have no excuse for a faulty alarm system one a new car because of Audi made a completely different one 20 years ago and that works fine.

Many of the quirks are down to the aerodynamic flow around the aircraft - the high T shaped tail, for example, caused issues with turbulence for helicopters during refueling. This was solved by making the hose longer.

>>35001986
Too much BTFO in one post.

>>35006983
Wait, what's wrong with the BMG?

>>35007208
Only six crashes since its time in service.

>>35008175
Ah, so the spams are helping us work up the new Poseidons (not really surpring once I think about it) and also running us through fleet carrier ops night classes while we wait on the F-35, good stuff. Great shame we lost them. I was unaware how many Brits we had on U-2 ops.

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>>35008133
>Read this, this cannot be true
>Lets go to the wiki page and read it
>That cannot be true

Quote:
"...The prime mover mortar contract price rose by 86%, to $1,078,000 cost per unit..."

....wow

>>35001525

engines had some big problems if i remenber correctly.

>>35006960
>every MBT ever

gas turbine is cool, tho

>>35003530
The F-104: An aircraft so good Lockheed paid people to buy it.

>>35003558
>>35004086
To be fair, the F22 and eurofighter have one big thing in common, they were designed to fight the soviet frontal air force and then, right in the middle of the design phase, the iron curtain goes down, and there is no more CCCP to fight against. The 90's begins with the pax americana, the defence bugdets got slashed around all the west and these programs had to cut the procurement numbers, move from air superiority missions to jack of all trades, master of none shitheaps, or both to avoid going the way of the Seawolf, because let's face it, they were not needed then and still are not needed today.

They were good aircraft in the desing board, back in 89, when the project focus was simple but they got badly mangled and now we have to deal with this.

Now, things like the merlin or the A400, there are no excuses there, that's why you can't build shit like that using country quotas and whatnot.

>>35004812

If the F22 is an F1 racecar, the F35 is an Indycar. Much cheaper and 90% as fast, but still an expensive race car.

>>35006514
>the fucking BR monkeys will design a better cargo aircraft than the yurocucks

Most countries are replacing Hercs with A400M, meaning the engines on your "better" plane are not suited for the job since they'd get fucking wrecked by the debris they'd be sucking in on dirt roads and fields.

It's not even close to the same intended use case?

>>35008175
>50 Odd pilots were fighting over who got to use the sole lynx on a daily basis. It was being used 18 hours a day, 365 days a year. By the time they received the 5th air frame 30 months after the firsts delivery, the first airframe had to be retired due to cumulative stress.
wow what a slut

>>35009727

The A400 is THREE TIMES the price of a C130J.

>>35007351
Swede here, we run them both, nowdays the NH90 works (only took them like 15 years) but the Blackhawk is really a different type of helicopter (no rear ramp, less troop capacity etc)

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>>35009851

>>35006514
>>35007825
>>35009727

Y'all niggers aren't considering the fact that the plane was build for the BR military purposes. It's projected to fit their Radars, APCs, MLRS and others shit that their current C-130 can't do. After all the project actually belongs to them. Like the A-29.

No one really expects Embraer selling KC-390 as Lockheed did their C-130.

>all the Euroshit assmad in here
What the fuck did we Brazilians do to you that causes you this much pain?

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>>35000974
delet this

>>35003530
I had an instructor that used to fly German F-104s, and most of his stories involved almost getting killed by it. Sounds like a pretty terrifying aircraft to fly.

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>>35011743
Design a weapons system that isn't grossly over budget...

>>35001122
It was pretty cool in Haf Life but whats actualy wrong with the Osprey?

>>35012659
Reputation for crashing gained when it was a prototype, maintained by any crash or accident that occurs regardless of whether or not it crashes less than a comparable or beloved design did at the beginning of it's service life and an institutional hatred of new things.

>>35002468
Yawns at your response.

>>35007745
The F-22 has lost to T-38s in dogfights and that's not with crazy pitch and yaw rate limiters like the F-35 had in that control authority test, or a 5G g limit.

>>35012550
Maybe that's why. Because there shouldn't be so much French insecurity and bitterness towards Brazilians merely because of the KC-390.

>>35002104
>posts Abrams

You're objectively either retarded or a beyond ultra-jingoistic fag.

>>35003558
I actually think the F35 should be cut entirely and the US should buy rights to build the Eurofighter domestically. The existing F22s and new Eurofighters can serve as front line forces, and existing F15s and F16s can be relegated to ANG units or specialized roles (an F16-based Wild Weasel, for example). The Super Hornets can continue in their roles on carriers and USMC units while a replacement is properly researched and developed--there's no likely threat out there that is significantly better, anyway.

>>35013691

if we're going to buy a small jet that doesn't carry much in the way of bombs, at least let's get the newer stealthy one so it can SEAD/DEAD.

>>35007033
Are you honestly arguing that the US military should have stayed with the M60 design instead of going to the Abrams? Cuz that's what this thread is about.

>>35013731
To be genuinely serious, one of Russia's common tactics to address America's financial and technological superiority is to sow disinformation about future American weapons systems so the Russian military would hopefully convince Congress to ultimately disapprove of the program and free up resources for the Russian government. Half the people calling "Lockmart shill" over the years were very likely literal Russian shills.

>>35013691
>US flying the Eurofighter

Literally pointless. The latest F-15 variants we sell to other countries are equal/better than it in most ways, we could just buy those if for some reason we canceled the F-35 (which would be an awful mistake, it just hit 3F).

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Just pretty much any German autism project...
Me-262
Tiger tanks
Vengeance weapons
Fucking ineffective U-boats
This motherfucker and so many more

Really it boggles the mind how they created all of these wasteful projects but didn't really have a decent strategic bomber through the war, failed to properly modernise Panzer IV, still made Stukas in '44, and fucked up their semi auto rifle project so bad it... the list goes on.

>>35013969
>failed to properly modernise Panzer IV

You can't modernize it if its a dead end.

>>35010990
>three separate ways to kill the driver found on the first and only test drive

>>35002647
The A400 is a bigger disaster than the F35, turbopleb.

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This pos and pretty much every piece of Canadian military equipment

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The idea of parasite fighters is both awesome and retarded.

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>>35000942
This piece of shit.

>>35013691
Why would we buy a super expensive 4th gen fighter when we already have the much more cost-effective F-15 fleet? And F-16C/J Wild Weasels already exist.

>The Super Hornets can continue in their roles on carriers and USMC units while a replacement is properly researched and developed

So... the F-35?

>>35014432
>Cancel the f-35
>To develop the f-35

Stop giving the MIC ideas.

>>35013691
>I actually think the F35 should be cut entirely and the US should buy rights to build the Eurofighter domestically.
That's because you're what's commonly referred to as a "fucking retard."

Stop posting

>>35012341
Pretty unsurprising given the loss rate of 30% in Luftwaffe service and 45% in Canadian service. The downwards-firing ejection seat on the early models didn't help.

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Still /k/ related since a lot of its flaws stemmed from design tug-of-war between the USAF and NASA.

>>35001986
upboated my friend

>>35014753
>NASA wants cheap launches
>NASA wants payload
>USAF requires abort to home capabilies
>USAF requires bigger wings
>USAF requires weird shit all over it
>shrinks payload
>makes it more expensive

At least the falcon 9 did not suffer from that shit...

>>35002038
Jesus it's looking at me!

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>>35006960

The GM prototype was the better version. It got canned after a demand was made that a turbine be used on a tank instead.

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>>35002104
>guaranteed replies

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missing an obvious one aren't we?

>>35014988
Yea, the shuttle is neat in that kinda history. It was one of the most important and useful space launches ever, but it fucking massively failed in it's goal of saving money, the only real reason it was built.

>>35015965
What was wrong with it?

>>35015975
its existence

>>35015975
virtually everything

>>35015996
>>35016010
It's almost like you shit post because you have no reasons why outside of recycling memes.

>>35016021
it's almost like we're not going to spoonfeed a retard

>>35016046
As I said, you have no point, you just are spouting memes you read.

While there are serious issues with the t-72, it's clear you don't know them and just wanted to sound like you fit in or are cool and spouted a meme you can't back.

Burden of proof is on you if not please leave reddit.

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>>35006332
>Nobody remembers the MMEV
Anti-air? How about Anti-Everything? Those wacky Canucks get a bit odd when they actually get funding.

>>35001122
hey its not the ospreys fault the muhreens are literal retards who dont know about the concept of maintenance

>>35016083
This. Marine aircraft are invariably beat to shit (sometimes hand-me-downs from big brother Navy) and liable to fail.

I still love the Army guy's quote though on helicopters.
>It's leaking oil.
>Yes, I know. If it isn't leaking oil then you know you have a problem.

>>35001986
xpbp

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>>35014084
Well, it's fine, until you take it off-road.
Conversely, the Iltis was a blast to drive off-road! Great vehicle. But get it up too quick on the highway, and you started to get that "death shimmy". And those fucking knobbies sucked. You needed to get some Michelins on 'em. Other than that, I'd rather an Iltis over a G-Wagen.
>I want one so bad

>>35016121
I gotta say I know nothing about this, but it looks amazing and my area's "off road" could be done with a toyota camry on mud tires.. so that would work.
Thanks for posting anon I'll read about it and sorry it sucks at it's duty.

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>>35016073
>Two rocket pods
>Two TOW
>Four AA missiles
>A fucking offset MG
I'm surprised at that point they didn't just leave the 25mm on to just say "I swear to god I'll kill you all if you fuck with me".

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>>35000942

The Peacemaker, an incredibly ill advised nuclear bomber that nearly destroyed the Navy.

It sure is cool looking though.

>>35006455
>The 23's biggest fault was its underpowered engine more than anything else
>underpowered enginge
>underpowered

Nigga, I'm definetly not a slavboo. But that sentence is just fucking wrong.

When the MIG23's Tumanski R29 came out, it was among if not "the" most powerful Turbojets available

Close to 80kN dry thrust and 115 with afterburner


Loaded weight of a MIG 23 is around 30.000lbs

now compare this to a contemporary plane

Phantom had 2x52kN J79 = 104kN dry / 160kN afterburner

BUT: The Phantom also had a loaded weight of ~50.000lbs!!!, it has the same empty weight as a combat-ready MIG23

No do the math on your own.


But its a fact: the MIG was retired because swing wings are nothing that third world shitholes can handle for a long time. Yeah, that jet has several weak spots but lol it definetly wasnt underpowered.

>>35006606
>Other way around actually
How? The F-22 doesnt even have MADL, and the AN/APG-77 isnt all that hot shit compared to the -81, as well as you mentioned lacking AIRST.

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>>35000942
>Boots cardboard horrible
>L85A1
>Tigerfish torpedo
>Fuck that, most of our torpedoes prior to Spearfish
>Type 21 frigate
>RB44
>L94A1 chain gun

>>35017516
>boots cardboard horrible
No infantry had good boots back then. Most militaries used to go hand in hand with the non-standard manufacturers hence why Hi-tec Magnums were advertised in EVERY military magazine.

>L85A1

Just say 5.56. We all know it's shit.

>Tigerfish or any non-spear fish torpedo

Almost like British procurement is shit and giving contracts to BAE backfires immensely 99% of the time.

>Type 21
Sounds like issues are had with every class of ship. Type 45 is an anemic mess compared to what it SHOULD have been.

>RB44

I have no idea what they were used for but everything online says they are just shit. Seems like a poor mans unimog.

>L94A1 chaingun

Supposedly the gun itself was fine and insanely reliable but there were issues with it misfiring. I'm sure they've been altered to work perfectly well now.

>>35017547
>We all know it's shit.
Stop getting your info from memes

>>35017516
>Boots cardboard horrible
The rims was like blunt knives cutting down to the bone. I learnt that if you fold them down on the outside then they wouldn't hurt as much but you would look like a right mong.
>L85A1
Agreed
>Tigerfish torpedo Fuck that, most of our torpedoes prior to Spearfish
They seemed to get the job done.
>Type 21 frigate
Don't know not a sailor but seemed to work well.
>RB44
Bit REMFy for me.
>L94A1 chain gun
IDK, its pretty good when its mounted the right way up. The issue was they mounted it upside down so it has to drag up the rounds in link. When its mounted properly it has nearly twice the RoF

> No chairman mau suit
> No dangerous Brian
> No Saxon
> No Dilac hat
> No kestral armour
> No bowman
> No L100
> No L101A1
> No L102A1
> no L66A1
> No .22 Conversion kit.

May as well spin a dit on how bad the A1 was when i was on banner.
> On snatch duty
> Jump out rear
> Mag falls out from shock of landing
> Go to change magazine
> Mag release goes flying off.
> Cock rifle and forward assist
> Forward assist knocks the handle off
> Running down street with rifle slinged
> TMH falls out.
> All on one patrol
When A2 came out QM went round smashing them up so that we could get A2s first. There was a reason we all wanted to carry a 25lb GPMG back then.

We used to get the bungies from bergen covers and wrap them around the charging handle and the fore sight because the spings inside A1 were as strong as silly string.

>>35017583

Testimonials from soldiers outweigh the memes.

The only guys thankful for the weight loss were guys policing areas where combat was unlikely or when they were marching through jungles. The rest were pissed that their range of engagement was cut in half meaning that they had to actually face AK fire and pray the enemy didn't have some monkey with a Lee Enfield and a scope sitting on a ridge.

There's a massive reason that DRMs and Marksman rifles are currently being issued to units and it's because 5.56 is forced to play with the AKs when people using WW1 tech can outrange you reliably.

Even the fucking US is pulling M14s out of mothballs to use as DMRs after admitting it's a real issue once they couldn't rely on CAS and artillery for every single guy in the field.

>>35006933
Literally all we had at the time, the gun is big enough to be used on fortifications with High-explosive

>>35017618
5,56 is lacking when fighting in windy Afghan valleys, sure, but it's perfectly fine for everything else.

>>35017547
>Just say 5.56. We all know it's shit

A2 is fine tho.

>Tigerfish or any non-spear fish torpedo

Nothing to do with BAE, Marconi and Portland torpedo research station back then, years before BAE folded them into itself. They started developing Tigerfish in the early 50s, bit off way more than they could chew with the design requirements and got it into service in 1979 in a much reduced capability form (no anti-surface capability in mod 0, just good old MkVIII torpedoes from pre-ww2), despite the fact it failed acceptance trials. Even the "Improved" mod 2 was shit a failed its test firing in the Falkands. Stingray was fine.

>Type 21

Shit austerity frigate with piss poor quietness and weak sensor fit, structural issues, and anemic upgrade potential. More expensive than the excellent Leanders for very little improvement. Type 45 has been slimmed down, but it's still a highly capable AD platform, SAMPSON and Sea Viper are pretty shit hot.

>RB44

Floated as a replacement for the Landy family. Based on a Dodge truck and absolute shite.

>L94A1 chaingun

Gun was ok if you took Hughes's claims at face value, but horribly complicated, made too weak when the design was slimmed down and lightened and very finicky to boot, not to mention that we fucked it up further by mounting it upside down in the Warrior, which stressed the chinesium belt links and caused jamming. The electrical issues had a bad habit of jamming down as causing the gun to run away apparently. Almost as baffling as the RARDEN next to it.

>>35017584
>DILAC hat

They're making a comeback, yknow...

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>>35017584

How dare you criticize the mighty chinky suit, Hat Brian Dangerous Mk I, and Dilac. All the rest are important fuckups to note. Also, AS90 procurement was a long slog filled with much sighing:

>AS90 took so long and so much money to get into service because of VSEL fuck-ups that it has been christened "Choirboy" on account of 10 years being buggered by Vickers.

>>35017677
>>35017516
I read an anecdote about the sinking of the Belgrano: the captain of the Conqueror had several new, fancy-dancy Tigerfish on board, but elected to go with the pre-WW2 torpedoes because he wanted to be absolutely certain that they hit and detonated and had zero faith that Tigerfish could do that.

And as we know, the old torps worked a charm.

>>35017677

>A2 is fine

For what it is. It'd still have been cheaper to just buy the AR-15 /C8 platform for no effective loss and vastly better after market choices. I don't understand WHY they had to go with a new bullpup rifle when there were vastly more serviceable models already in service especially with the price tags that have resulted in the A1 being stupidly expensive thanks to the forced development and reengineering by H&K.

>Type 45 has been slimmed down

Yet still costs insane amounts for what is essentially just an AD destroyer. I'm expecting the Type 26s to be anemic versions of themselves given the past few naval programs, especially since they announced a 'lesser' platform to be more widely used.

>take Hughe's claim at face value.

Maybe fucking about with the gun's specs resulted in the majority of the problems it experienced over the actual results? Just installing it upside down would fuck up the feed substantially to the point it might not work.

Also what was wrong with the RARDEN?

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>>35017726
Yes, the reasoning for firing the Mk VIII*** was due to both the shit reliability of Tigerfish, and the fact that the Belgrano was WW2 warship and thus a perfectly suitable target for a 1927 torpedo. The fact that Conqueror fired a spread of three from about 2000 yards and all hit (though only two exploded) shows you how comfortable they were with Mk VIII***

>"In a test carried out by submarines returning to the UK after the war two of five Mod 1 Tigerfish fired at a target hulk failed to function at all and the remaining three failed to hit the target."

The Tigerfish was so poor in the first half of its service they honestly considered putting a nuclear warhead on either it or the Mk VIII*** instead, and it was a big reason behind sub Harpoon being adopted. Even when it worked its performance against the newer Russian SNNs was at best marginal. God we had shit heavyweight torpedoes in the Cold War

>>35016397
>Yeah, that jet has several weak spots but lol it definetly wasnt underpowered
This. Maintenance nightmare, overworked pilot, low SA, and poor ECM aresome of what killed actually killed it.

>>35017707
Yeah i Know, My unit tested the MTP ones. These ones are even worse than the DPM ones.

100% more flop
100% more Japanesu Sniparu innu the Treesu
100% less ally.

>>35017724
>chinky suit,
Thermals
>Hat Brian Dangerous Mk I,
£1 OD benny hat, or even better the only use for the dangerous brian was the falklands where you can buy a decent benny from a benny for nothing because they wear them like underwear.

>>35017737
>For what it is. It'd still have been cheaper to just buy the AR-15 /C8 platform for no effective loss and vastly better after market choices. I don't understand WHY they had to go with a new bullpup rifle when there were vastly more serviceable models already in service especially with the price tags that have resulted in the A1 being stupidly expensive thanks to the forced development and reengineering by H&K.
L119A1/A2 maintenance costs something as they have to be shipped back to canada. H&K does the maintenance refurb and repair for nothing as that was part of the package and only have to be transported to NSAF Nottingham.

Having handled an L119 id rather have the '80 for long patrols due to weight distribution.

Not him But RARDEN was an interim weapon only designed to last a decade or so until they could develop a middle ground weapon in the 40-90mm range to take on the horse of soviet IFVs. We've eventually seen it come 30 years later with the CT40. Rarden used 30mm clip meaning gunner/commander have to regularly load 3 round clips.

>>35017737
RARDEN is fed in clips of 3 rounds, 3 clips at a time. Failing to load another clip after 3 rounds fired results in a gap in feed, and the RARDEN will not cycle again when it reaches this gap and thus has to be made safe (unload followed by a load). Which is a ballache to have to manage.

>>35017787
>3 clips at a time
I'm pretty sure it was 2 clips of 6 rounds.

Theres room for maybe an extra round in there.

>>35017768
>and all hit
2 hit, 1 may have later hit one of the escorts without detonating.

>>35017787
>>35017797
Sorry for clarification 2 clips of 3 rounds to make a total of 6.

And i've just checked its as above.

>>35017815
Yes, not 3 clips of three as I said. Weird.

>>35006933

HEAT-T ammo did not work as intended, but what I know the exact reason for that was never verified for sure. The HEAT-T projectile was a weird looking design with 105-mm HEAT -warhead attached to rear part originating from 114-mm HE-shell and apparently it was never tested in large-scale before being introduced.

Anyway - BT 42 might have actually been somewhat decent self-propelled artillery piece had been in used as such (read: used for indirect fire). But regardless to recommendations given by commanding officers of the units that operated these vehicles, the top brass demanded them to be used as assault guns (read: used for direct-fire support and fighting other armored vehicles).

>>35017770
Jup. I really wonder where >>35006455
pulled the shit out from. I really never heard anyone else say the MIG23 was underpowered. Because it wasn't. Actually it was sort of a muscle car of the skies.

But as you wrote: A muscle car with horrible work load, maintenance etc.

>>35002908
https://www.arrse.co.uk/wiki/Nimrod_MRA4
https://www.arrse.co.uk/wiki/Nimrod_AWACS

>>35017871
Whenever people think /k/ is right wing and operator i show them arrse.

>>35016245
Six turning and four burning, babyyyy

>>35017871
I'd forgotten just how funny that place is.
https://www.arrse.co.uk/wiki/Strategic_Defence_Review

>>35017992
The entire rations page is gold.

https://www.arrse.co.uk/wiki/Category:Rations

>>35016010
>>35015996
>>35015965
The mere fact that it is still around and in heavy use across the world means that it can endure a lot. Maybe its not a comfortable tank to ride in but in most roles it works well.

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>>35018041
> I was me
> Herrick whatever at bastion
> S/Sgt tells me to follow him and bring two bergens
> Follow him to some random block
> Cpl watching the door which has an RLC logo
> Look both ways before entering
> Enter
> Its the ration store
> Crates of Boxes of boxes of boxes of Sachets
> crack open litterally hundreds of plates
> Rummage through thousands of boxes
> Leave with three months supply of beef stew and dumplings
> Entire bag full of boiled sweets
> Our Radio guy leaves with nothing but biscuit fruits and biscuit browns.
> Why.Jpg
> Block is literally a tip, look like a mortar round went off.
> Leave and get sent to FOB
> Spent 3 months out there eating three meals a day that were nothing but Beef stew and dumplings supplemented by kendall mint cake and boiled sweets
> "because someone wrecked the ration store at bastion you get what you're given"
> Shipment comes in
> All beef stew and dumpling
> 270 Fucking meals
> My anus is living hell
> If i lie on my back i get anal seepage
> Have to clear that shit up with John Wayne.
> Mid deployment break thank fuck
> Have a hard time digesting anything that isn't blended and mixed with chemicals
> Radio dude suffered anal prolapse and got PAP10'D it was so bad.
> Fucking addicted to wayfarer stew and dumplings,

Still have loads of Kendall mintcake left
Mind you when kids used to come up to us and ask for sweets (which kendal mintcake looks like) I still used to give them Hexamine blocks >:)

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>>35016073
>>35016179
That's some Command and Conquer shit right there.

And I like it.

>>35003558
>is already being phased out

>>35014988
>Challenger happens
>USAF abandons its plan for shuttle launches from Vandenberg
>shitty abortion of a spacecraft is left to NASA

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>>35018272
>Our Radio guy leaves with nothing but biscuit fruits and biscuit browns.
>suffered anal prolapse and got PAP10'D it was so bad.

Fuck me, who does that to themselves? Top fucking lel.

>270 beef stew and dumpling

Shitting must have felt like being raped backwards.

>>35018494
It was the right move. Have a drone space shuttle with an endurance rating of YEARS is far superior.

>>35018467
> Be austria
> Germans offer to hook you up with some T1 eurofighters
> Cool the Draakens are old now anyway.
> Run competition, it beats F16 and gripens in testing
> Buy 15 of them
> Realise they only have basic systems because you bought the first batch
> Its OK you can pay to upgrade them to latest spec
> Look at budget Not enough moneys
> Had to buy parts direct from eurofighter
> Costs more money than salvaged draaken parts
> Look at military budget again
> Realise that over time the parts will cost more than they're worth
> Decide you need something cheaper
> There are hundred of F16s that are broken for parts across the world.

Realistically to have an economically viable airfleet you need a minimum of 50 in order for eceonomy of parts (unless you're Germany then you cannibalise your own air fleet)

The fact of the matter is Typhoon parts cost more than f16 parts because of economy of scale and technology involved.
Theres only 500 something eurofighters whilst there's 4000 F16s.

I'd say the F16s are coming to the end of their life cycle and i wouldn't be surprised if in 20 or so years the then obsolete F16 and austria moves back to eurofighter thanks to parts availability.

Realistically aircraft struggle to serve longer than 40 years regardless of upgrade.

>>35018541
Retardation. Same guy body slammed into a 12 foot wall so he could get out of PT so he could go to the hospital.

Quote "it looked like he had a second nutsack over his arse"

Imagine diarrhea but worse.

>>35018631
Are you Australian? Such an odd mix of American Terms and British lingo.

>>35017917
>Two turning 8 burning babyyy
"Tower we have several engine fires, over"

>>35019795
"Uh, yeah, they are supposed to do that. Please hold 20 miles north with three mile legs, maintain radio silence until bingo fuel."

>>35019654
who fucking cares

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>>35002104
kys

>>35016073
I think this why we're so underfunded, people are afraid of the shit we'll make when we actually get spending money and go full retard with R&D.

>TOW 2
>ADATS
>Hellfire
>CRV7 rockets
>Sidewinders
>M2 Browning

Boner stop.

>>35016073
>25mm wasn't enough dakka, so they attached every munitions they have onto a modular turret.

>>35013969
>Fucking ineffective U-boats
The Kriegsmarine's submarines were one of the only seriously legitimate military assets to come out of Germany though...

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>>35013969
>Fucking ineffective U-boats

But they were fine. They problem was not enough of them. Then when production picked up, we got better at sinking them. The type XXI would have been excellent, but once again its a problem of production, not design.

>>35020757
>They problem was not enough of them
They had over 1200 in service over the entire coarse of the war...

You eventually get to a point where numbers don't actually matter and germany still used more than they needed.

What a lot of people don't realise how bad U boats were in terms of design. British and french subs were decades ahead (if you exclude propulsion methods) and when the germans captured HMS seal they were shocked at how advanced british boats were so resorted to reverse engineer it to the point where it was dubbed "a war winning asset".

Said technologies combines with the then exotic propulsion is what made the late war U boats seem so advanced.

Realistically the U boats drained resourced away from the surface fleet leaving it aneamic and unable to compete with the royal navy, making a cross channel invasion by sea impossible.

>Inb4 starvation
Studies conducted by the british found that domestic food production was enough to feed the entirety of britain almost indefinitely. These figures did not include relatively easy food importation from the neutral irish free state.

The issue of "food storage" was that of preparing britain for at least 2 missed harvests (in the previous war the german harvest was interrupted and left germany with a famine after they ineffectively stockpiled which left them on a diet of turnips and parsnips which greatly demoralized and de-energized men at the front which probably ultimately culminated in the armastice) and providing enough protein for rations for fighting men that would have to be deployed to france.

Then again there is a separate argument to be made for other resources. Oil wasn't a problem as rationing left them with a problematic surplus, i can only imagine other strategic resources needed to be imported.

>>35016245
Just went to see the one at Castle, fuck the wasps tho.
who's going to open cocpkit day

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>>35016073

>>35014753
Except it was NASA who went to USAF
They didn't need to accept the retarded requirements USAF wanted
And of course it had zero hope of reducing launch costs before it even left the drawing boards just based off the expendable hardware

>>35020953
>They had over 1200 in service over the entire coarse of the war

Yes, and started the war with a very small number, not enough to cause the sort of losses needed to totally destroy the British war effort. The build program got going but not fast enough due to the clash between Raeder and Donitz. By the time the Kriegsmarine were finally getting the numbers they needed, the Allies had closed the last gap in the Atlantic, and had enough escorts and tin can carriers, vastly improved ASW tech and the experience to utilise it. Out of those ~1200, 765 were lost, and what remained were essentially neutered and unable to properly molest allied shipping. Had they been able to focus down shipping with a large number of u-boats early in the war in the Western approaches and overwhelm Britain's anemic escort forces, they could definitely have knocked us out the war.

>Realistically the U boats drained resourced away from the surface fleet leaving it aneamic and unable to compete with the royal navy

Germany poured blood and treasure into a huge battlefleet for naval superiority over the North sea from Britain in WW1. And that fleet still wasn't big enough to match the Grand Fleet, and really only U-boats were the naval asset that nearly won it for Germany but couldn't. Even if they could fund it, any German attempt to build a large scale battle fleet for WW2 wouldn't have been ready before the mid 1940's at the earliest and would have been matched then surpassed by British and French building programs.

Would be interested to read any sources you have on German sub design in comparison to other nations, as well as the study on food production.

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The USAF procured the F-102 as a mach1+ interceptor. It failed at that. It lack the cock-bottle shape to allow it to fly faster that mach 1 and it's air intakes didn't give it's engine enough air to do so. They didn't last very long.

It only has its looks to make up for it's shortcomings.

>>35021430
>cock-bottle shape
Tell me more.

>>35021448
He means Coke Bottle.

>>35021352
Good breakdown of the subs, but even in reality over hunting would have still been a problem even had the germans doubled down and focused on Anti shipping they would have still been scraping the barrel.
In 1939 they got very lucky and caught the royal navy off guard by being pre positioned and no convoy system being in place.

By 1940 the royal navy was shaping up and managed to close the gap, and pushed them toward the american coast as anything closer was suicide.

WW1 is debatable as Jutland was arguably evenly matched and ended in stalemate even though the germans had inflicted higher losses but what they had lost rather than materials was confidence. By Jutland some of the grand fleet was in a real state of disrepair that by 1920 they were willing to just about scrap almost everything.

Sure source on diet of the uk would be a cambridge paper by Elsie Widdowson and Robert McCanceauthored authered in 1939 (possibly pre war?) Interesting paper, never have i ever read an article about food that used the words wind, Belch, and flatulent in my life.

My information on british and german submarine comparisons is from numerous books. Some are in a series by Janes (back when they used to write the best stuff) and the IWM from 1982 that outlines british submarine development from Holland I to Conqueror. The most info is from the amphion book.

Generally speaking british subs had better torpedos, tubes, scopes, phones and engines. The only thing that was better on german subs was batteries.

A particularly good book is "Will Not We Fear", particularly interesting is the debriefing and interrogation section where the germans try to steal the technical specifications for HMS seal.

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>>35021647
Top stuff on that sauce, thanks. I ain't sure on Britain being totally able to support itself food wise (at the very least not in being able to provide the nutritional variety needed to prevent people surrendering after being forced to fight on Irish level potato dependency), but I will read it and reshape my current viewpoint that Britain being heavily dependent on foreign food and British agriculture being too backward to meet its needs. Remember also that Britain was oversupplied with easily available stuff (root veg) but badly undersupplied with meat and especially fats and oil, which we cried out for during the worst shipping losses.

Yes Jutland was a stalemate and it changed nothing. Germany left the Jade Estuary on 31st of May and came back on the 1st of July with a handful less ships, still under blockade and still not in control of the North Sea. Germany needed a decisive victory, and didn't get it. Britain would have liked one too, but failing miserably to get it changed little for their tactical situation and the final outcome of Germany being ground down under blockade. Good discussion.

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>>35021430

Meh, I just think of it as a prototype F-106, which got a lot of things right.

It was during that glorious Pre-Vietnam Cold War era of paranoia-fueld freaky-cool shit.

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>>35021448
>>35021479
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_rule

>>35021430
Production F-102A's did have some area ruling and a top speed of around Mach 1.2. Only the preproduction versions lacked area ruling (compare YF-102 and YF-102A) and were limited to subsonic flight. All told the issues only delayed introduction by about a year. A bigger issue with the entire US interceptor program was its reliance on Hughes Falcon missiles.

>>35016073
KANE LIVES

>>35014084
>Lsvw
100% agreed. What a hunk of shit that thing is.

>>35016121
>Implying the g ride isn't infinitely better

Striker: Engine Fires

Bradley: Cramped, has no real role

Osprey: Crashes alot

Seahawk: Leaks Hydraulic fluid like crazy

Beretta M9: Becomes a janky POS after 20K rounds. Basically rattles like a fucking set of loose dogtags


Everything in the military has one problem or another. Unless it interferes with the mission its no issue.

>>35012783
In all fairness, they started stuffing it full of Marines well before it stopped being a prototype, so while it may have had fewer crashes than most other production rotary-wing aircraft it's killed more people.

>>35002496
70% unfuckable design flaws, 25% incompetent ground crew, 5% teething issues.

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>General Bruce was a fucking idiot
>fucking fight me

>>35007033
>yfw the Marines used M60's during the Gulf War, to great effect

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>>35000942
the Clunk

>>35009563
Gas turbine is literally the only major flaw M1 has.

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>>35023845
WEW SHIT im glad i doubled checked the image before posting it because wew 3 day, but yeah. anyone else seeing this?

>>35013691
>I actually think the F35 should be cut entirely and the US should buy rights to build the Eurofighter domestically

Just as i think i've seen it all another retarded fuck posts his armchair general opinion

>>35007208
Very few crashes in comparison with helicopters.

>>35010876
just pop the wheels off and it'll fit in a C130 no problem. you can clearly see it in the picture you provided.

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>>35024829
>Implying it isn't an uncomfortable weighed-down piece of hot garbage
Thankfully we're starting to see the new TAC-V show up.

>>35026380
Wrong. The CF-100 was a decent aircraft for the time, and for a while, was the only all-weather interceptor NATO had.
>>35026473
The Ross was a fine rifle. It just had tight tolerances that weren't suited for a muddy environment like the trenches.

>>35028843
Pet or Gagetown? None in Pet yet I dont think. Or are you a weirdo who's out west.

>>35017584
I'm not in the army, but I've heard that the old GS ration packs were fucking awful.

>>35015943
holy shit i think a dude with a private collection has one of these in his lot.

>>35006983
in service for more than a century, with virtually no changes done to it , i think you are confused there anon.

>>35016083
Thats what techpriests are for.

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>>35016245
Jesus christ that thing is a nightmare machine.

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>>35008133
yeah this thing is a piece of shit but it also can be added to the v22 cost since they made them for the v22s kinda like a accessory, since the v22 are too small to carry other vehicles.
pic related literally what they should have bought instead of the growler.

>>35026473
The Ross is a great rifle. The one I have works flawlessly. Sure, it didn't work well in trench conditions, but she was still used rather effectively by snipers.

>>35016397
>swing wings are nothing that third world shitholes can handle for a long time
laughing iranian tomcats.jpg

>>35001161
"what do you want?"
"gomme something unreliable, that jams easily. oh, and i want a fixed low capacity mag too!"
"should i chain the oiler cap in place?"
"yes"
>pic related

>>35031088
Didn't ya know? Marines create an aura of stupid, thus making the machine spirit in the Osprey lag and glitch by simple exposure.

>>35025616
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M18_Hellcat#Combat_performance

M18 was well loved and did the job. Go fuck yourself.

>>35007416
It also jammed after firing that single round into the dirt 300 meters in front of it.
Shortly afterward the target drone exploded into a massive fireball without having actually been shot at.
After more than a decade of development and a laundry list of serious problems so obvious that no one even bothered to try and deny their existance.

>>35028856
imagine that, a purpose built aircraft kinda does the job it was designed for in a moderate to OK manner.

it was only decent at it's job because it was the only one.

>>35000942
God the A400M is shit.

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>>35015965
>missing an obvious one aren't we?
Yet you didn't mention the T-10 problems? You sir don't know what you are talking about.

>>35000942
A400M isn't really a failure. It's just out of budget, that's it.

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>new computerized central missile interceptor system
>it doesn't work
>it's over budget
>a perfectly good interceptor project died for it

>>35007139
>Do you have any info to back that up, or are you just talking out of your ass?

Spare parts availability doesn't drop when 6 helicopters are deployed with Blackhawk like it happens with NH-90 and Sikorsky doesn't actually blatantly lie about delivery schedule or actual readiness of the aircraft.

>In March 2008, NH Industries began NH90 deliveries to Finland; deliveries had been delayed from an initial 2004 date.
>In January 2015, it was reported that Finnish NH90s had been experiencing considerable reliability issues, at one time in 2014 fleet availability dipped to 19%, and some spare parts had up to seven months waiting time. By early 2015, the combined NH90s fleet had accumulated a total of 7,000 flight hours, and had an availability rate of 40%. On 18 June 2015, delivery of the final Finnish NH90 took place.In November 2015, the availability rate was reported as having surpassed 50 percent.

On paper NH-90 is far more modern and more capable aircraft, it just that everything other aircraft itself is beyond horrible. Industrial cooperation, especially with French is basically nightmare fuel and in reality it resembles more industrial sabotage. Swedes ordered Blackhawks as stop gap measure decade after NH-90's and they were able to deploy those operationally in Afghanistan in less than three years after making the fucking order.

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victoria class submarine for sure

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>>35001165

>>35032752
she seems solid

>>35031184
Yeah... all two of the flyable ones left

>>35033218
they were outdated British subs by the time Canada bought them, and they cost more to refit than it would have to build new ones from scratch.
they have a history of accidents and as they are now they have severe diving depth restrictions

>>35016397
Even with those large engines it can be defeated in a rate or radius dogfight by anything today (even piggish F-15E) while MiG-21 at least retains some good slow speed characteristics. Only thing MiG-23 is good at is accelerating fast in a straight line and I believe it was soviet's first look down shoot down radar.

To contrast it with MiG-21 today though is crazy. MiG-23 pretty much completely gone from the world yet you see MiG-21s flying around with AA-11s and AA-12s using helmet cueing systems. Such a cheap aircraft for the capability to employ adders.

>>35032203
>T-10 problems
Tell me more

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>>35002647
No one said the F35 was cancelled. It just turns out as huge as a cluster fuck as the f35 program was. Its now an actual useful and good plane.

>>35014699
>The downwards-firing ejection seat on the early models didn't help.

Please tell me this is a joke?! Who the fuck would design something so god damned suicidal?!

>>35034305
Lockheed and Kelly Johnson. They weren't sure would the ejection seat clear the t-tail.

>>35015943
What was better about it?

>>35015943
ngl that sloped turret armor gave me chub

>>35003530
There's a video out there of some euro or canadian taking off and doing aileron rolls right after with gear still down and all. Really impressive. Biggest reason there were so many accidents with is because of everyone trying to use it as a tactical bomber... not smart with those tiny interceptor wings.

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It had its roll sure but its like 60 years old. Its time for a redesign

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J U S T

>>35034386
can't wait till we revive that design for space ships - every good space war ship will need a main gun to BRRRRRRRR the ayyyys

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>>35034386

Just install its weapons on a modified MQ-1 Predator and call it a day.

Drones are the only thing the American military does right these days desu.

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This and it's not even close.

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>>35034426

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>>35003070
should just went to the Abrams spaag or Bradly spagg design with deditced aa guns not that joke called linebacker

>>35020757
>>35020953
>>35021352
>>35021647
Good posts

>>35017284
Even -81 is now outclassed by the APG-82 being put into strike eagles. But yeah, F-22 isn't as big of a game changer right now since it can't broadcast to link-16 like MADL can, so F-22s can call out contact bullseyes so you have to scroll the sensors to that point in 4th gen aircraft to have an idea where enemy is, but in F-35 it is just broadcasted and everyone in 4th gen who selects F-35s as donors will see contacts the F-35s are seeing on their own screens then can command a lock on them without actually seeing them on their radar. Makes formations of mixed AESA and older radars awesome because you can make flight leads have AESAs, get tracks on everything, and have wingmen target different contacts you have tracks on with no issue even without a lock of your own on the contacts.

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>>35034426
youre not even trying

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>>35034350
Lack of turbine as power plant and quite likely cheaper alternative, also General Dynamics basically lied that their prototype was far cheaper than it actually was. US Army decided in 60's that turbines were the future, in 70's when turbocharged diesels became far superior option saying that loud was career suicide for staff officers involved in tank development as it meant that their superior officers were fucking wrong decade earlier.

>>35034370
No one in their right mind would have bought it as multi-role fighter, but Lockheed paid lot of politicians and staff officers in allied countries to do so, in countries where they didn't bribe everyone... US taxpayers paid for the planes as military assistance.

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>>35034394
whoever the fuck made the decision to go from BDU and choco-chip to ACP needs to be fucking lynched

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>>35034386

>>35020953
>they were shocked at how advanced british boats were so resorted to reverse engineer it to the point where it was dubbed "a war winning asset".

You know the British captured U-570 had almost the same response? They found the hydrophone, optics, and quietness were better than their own subs. The biggest complaint was the crew accommodations.


>Realistically the U boats drained resourced away from the surface fleet leaving it aneamic and unable to compete with the royal navy, making a cross channel invasion by sea impossible.

The surface fleet would still have been hopelessly outmatched regardless and the cross channel invasion was a joke. The planning got about as far as deciding a name.

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>>35034446
The fact that they could use recently retired M48 chassis on Sgt York was one of major selling points of the damn thing. The fact M48 was too slow to keep up with Abrams wasn't that important. The fact that M113 couldn't keep up with Abrams was major selling point of Bradley. Bradley with proper SPAAG turret wouldn't have been able to keep up with Abrams as well.

When it comes to western SPAAG's... last actually successful on has been Gepard. Picture very unrelated, it is an abortion that requires spare radar set or two be able to complete live fire exercise.

>>35034512
It does indeed.

Mix this with the fact that the f-35 is stealth means it can scout targets that 4th generation planes can then lob missiles at.

>>35034828
>Bradley with proper SPAAG turret wouldn't have been able to keep up with Abrams as well.
Gen one, M3 Brad? It most definitely would have.

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>every autistic German airplane project

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>>35034894
>Gen one, M3 Brad? It most definitely would have.

Modern SPAAG turrets tend to weight bit over 10 tons, bit more than turret on regular Bradleys, regardless is it cavalry or infantry model. That weight would have to be compensated somehow, either with much bigger engine or by reducing armor, both of those would have required major re-design of Bradley hull. That is before we get to minor details like radar power requirements.

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>>35034896
caus americans were that much better

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>>35035144
Yeah, the americans were way fucking better

>>35035249
>top WW2 ace flew P-38s
>strategy was to fly directly at zeros and gun them because his plane could take so much damage while zeros would fall apart
The balls on him. Yes, the plane was way more armored and redundant but to be unafraid of bullets hitting him is insane. Good man

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>>35035338
>top WW2 ace flew P-38s

>>35016245
Im curious as to what it did to the navy?
also thats the one that was supposed to fly using aa nuclear reactor lmao fucking love the 50's

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>>35034573

Agreed

>>35035772
>Im curious as to what it did to the navy?
sucked every penny out of it

>>35035677
Sorry, top American ace. Because we had the resources to send top pilots to train other pilots to have great K:D while Russians and Germans were sending human waves on the eastern front.

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>>35035985
Top US ace killed himself with prototype P-80 and no 2 US ace killed himself by crashing his P-38 burdened with drop tanks against plane he had absolutely no chance catching up at that altitude in desperate attempt to catch no 1 US ace in kills as being no 2 isn't good enough to become a celebrity.

>>35036207
haha stupid burgers

>>35036207
>Fighter pilot is an attitude. It is cockiness. It is aggressiveness. It is self-confidence. It is a streak of rebelliousness, and it is competitiveness. But there's something else - there's a spark. There's a desire to be good. To do well; in the eyes of your peers, and in your own mind.

Both men had it

>>35035677
>slaughtering slav hordes

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>>35036245
Fighter pilots are all look at me im mister cool guy. Im super cool chad bro

Helicopter pilots are nervous wrecks that are always paranoid something is going to go wrong. When they do something flasht its not to be flashy it how that is done.

A real jock vs nerd type deal

>>35036472
>Helicopter pilots are nervous wrecks that are always paranoid something is going to go wrong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BzU1sYPjzo

>>35021430
>>35021448
>>35021479

>cock

OwO wat's this?

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>>35031255
M18 performed well because it was crewed by the best tank killers in the world for their time. They succeeded in spite of their vehicle, not thanks to it. Let's review here.

>General Bruce falls for the "gotta go fast" meme
>Fights with McNair and basically the whole army to push through his shitter TD with a meh gun that was already being mounted on the M4 and no armor whatsoever
>Goes into combat and it turns out that driving that fast cross country with no roof is a bad idea, especially with German artillery and snipers around
>Gun is good, but still struggles against the heavier German tanks that it was pretty expressly designed to kill
>As a result, entirely suicidal tactics are developed
>US crews devise ways to make the best of their shitty TD, and in a cruel twist of fate they're so good at it that the TD's faults are lauded as being great features.

Also there was generally little love for the M18. Nobody wanted it at first, crews were highly skeptical of it's thin armor, and the maximum road speed was rarely used as it was impractical when combating tanks.

It's the ultimate meme TD, entirely out-performed by vehicles like the 76mm armed M4 and pic related.

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>>35037281
So this is fantastic then?

>>35037308
>Good+Shitty=Fantastic
I'm not sure of your logic there, but it certainly would have been an improvement. The vehicle actually performed well with the muzzle break, and I don't believe the marginal weight increase caused any significant automotive issues. Had the war in Europe continued for a few months, I wouldn't at all be surprised if they saw combat.

Has anyone ever crunched the numbers for the estimated cost of the F35 versus design improvements/ generation two F15/F16's ??????

>>35037389
>Has anyone ever crunched the numbers for the estimated cost of the F35 versus design improvements/ generation two F15/F16's ??????

That's like asking for the costs involved in turning an F-106 into an F-16. You literally cannot do it because the airframes fundamentally were not designed to do, and are never going to be capable of doing, the things that the Air Force is asking the aircraft to do. An F-16 is never going to have an internal weapons bay, is never going to have low observability characteristics, is never going to have integrated avionics that give them incredible battlefield oversight, and are never going to find the room to put in a pale shadow of those systems in their very confined airframes. You'd have to change so much that it would effectively be an entirely new aircraft with all the expenses implied by that, with none of the opportunities presented by a clean sheet design.

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>>35013969
>you will never live in a world where mcHuge artillery guns are viable

>>35025522
>so while it may have had fewer crashes than most other production rotary-wing aircraft it's killed more people
>it's killed more people
The Black Hawk would like to have a word with you.

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>>35037583
We just need to find Gerald Bull's frozen head kept in Mossad headquarters.

>>35036472
>the virgin helicopter pilot
>the chad fighter pilot

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>>35033240
>50 year old airframes without any kind of spare parts available
>he expects 100% availability

>>35031833
>Shortly afterward the target drone exploded into a massive fireball without having actually been shot at.
heh.
they even fucked up the cover up they prepared for their original fuck up
your tax dollars at work

>>35034896
this particular one actually showed very good capabilities in its intended role, but the design itself was just too autismal even for the Germans.

>>35002013
Eurofighter is to euros what blah blah blah.
>>35001871
biggest issue is this is not the decades immediately post ww2. The A400M was touted as something it is not, did not live up to the hype, and is a fundamentally flawed design for the mission. Does it work well enough? Yeah. Is it any better than its weight in C-130? No, not at all. The money would have been better spent on researching something ground breaking like a VTOL transport or anything else.

Will it get fixed in future iterations? Probably, if they keep making them, however I look at the debacle that became the "eurofighter, rafel, and typhoon." and its shit returns. still pretty much shit in terms of money thrown at it vs what was gained.

>>35028775
shh...dont let them know the secrets of our logistics. before you know it they will be using pallets!

>>35031230
I don't know if that counts as Chaos Corruption....

>>35037583
You just wait until railguns finally become economically viable and we'll have Nasa using fuckhuge railguns to shoot microsats into space. It will become the next best thing.

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>>35013969
not to mention all the jew scientists fled germany and worked on the american a-bomb

the nazis and hitler were hitory's greatest retards

its hilarious how many edgy teenagers think they were the uber geniuses and they even talk shit about degeneracy when hitler and goerhing were drug addicts and goerhing frequented french brothels during the war

>>35000942
You're evaluating its military applications. It's European, they'll be using it as a mobile cuckshed. How many "refugees" it can fit per flight is the only important metric.

>>35014311
What the fuck is this?

>>35004086
The same red flag the euros shoot down the f22. Or the same where a phantom shoot down a f22 bullshits... My god youa re even worst than russians