Is China autistic?

No, they're communist.

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>>34997794
Seriously wtf China

Serbia in practice still relies on the 7.62x39 round and M70 isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

Cheap Chinese knock-offs.

But in all seriousness, China is obsessed with their concept of the Century of Humiliation. This is just their way of getting back their familial honour, becoming top dogs, daddy knows best type bullshit.

Plus, they have no friends to share ammo with anyway.

>>34997797
What's the difference

>>34997819
Autism isn't contagious.

>>34997819
Don't insult Autists dude

Is suspect the 5.8 is the "rookie round" for the 5-6mm range of bullets

They probably don't have to take too much time aiming, also keep in mind aside from the center of china it's surrounded by swamps, mountains and jungles, so a round that can penetrate well is required

also probably so that corrupt officers can't sell it off under cover

Wait, the Norks adopted the 5.45x39mm?
When did that happen? I alway thought they stuck with 7.62?

>>34997808
The map was made with most recently adopted main service rifle caliber in mind. If not slovakia would also be red as they still have a lot of vz 58s laying around. The point is Serbia will eventually get to the point where the Zastava M21 is more common and that's the plan as far as I can see.

>>34997830
They have been slowly replacing old 7.62 rifles with locally produced Type-88 and Type-88-1 rifles in 5.45.

>>34997823
You know where you are right now, right?

They're the most pathetic human nationality. Every single one of them dreams of working in civil service, because Chinks want nothing more in life but to lord power over one another.

Norinco cant do illegal deals to local gangs and african warlords when sourcing the ammo for the guns is hard.

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>>34997850
Your comment makes no sense, because it presumes that we were all normal before coming on here, when there is no evidence for that.

In fact, the story threads seem to show the opposite.

>>34997861
they could sell their nato-calibre chambered guns
they have those too yknow

How shitty are the ballistics for the ching-chong rounds?

>>34997935
Apparently it's just chinese knock off 5.56 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/08/16/modern-intermediate-calibers-016-5-8x42mm-chinese/

>>34997794
Ching chang really only sells their old stuff in soviet era slav calibres for export in terms of small arms. Their local, domestic small arms are actually quite good, modern weapons for the most part and its not really helped them move a lot of exports compared to Russia, the US or other competitors.

>>34997945
How are you inferring that from the article?

>>34998007
It has similar performance and is only 7.5% heavier in bullet weight.

>>34997973
who wants to specifically export guns in a world oversaturated with them?

>>34998015
USA?
Russia?
Germany?

>>34997852
>Every single one of them dreams of working in civil service, because Chinks want nothing more in life but to lord power over one another
Wow dude, what is Europe pre-WWI?

>They're the most pathetic human nationality
As opposed to Africans who literally just breed, take up space, murder, rape and most of whom aspire to nothing but sitting in overpopulated shithole shantytowns all day waiting for shit to just fall into their laps.

>>34997852

Wanting to achieve power is the best a man can hope for you fucking worthelss cuck

>>34997852

We can't all aspire to be reality tv starts and special snow flake trannies like Americans.

Or if you're a butt hurt jealous South asian monkey which you kinda sound like you are, we chinese ain't too happy about sitting in huts all day like you lot.

I just hope I can found a type 03 one day in the States

>>34998027
export what? AKs? M-series? Alot of those dime by the dozen arms have already penetrated most militaries, many countries have copied small arms designs and then made their own versions.

>>34997829
>so that corrupt officers can't sell it off under cover
It feels like this might be a strong reason.

I'd still buy a QBZ 5.56 as babies first bullpup, it looks cool.

I still dont know why they put the safety in the least ergonomic spot short of dissassembly though.

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>>34998015
Anyone-
>who is looking to modernise
>with a doctrine change
>in a screaming shitfight war

Old shit is always problematic to hook up modern accessories so if you get a doctrine change where say, every faggot is now going to have some kind of sight or scope on their gun. You can faff around with modifications, custom made rail mounts, spot welders... but ultimately its lipstick on a pig and a lot of fucking around. Just give us new shit, which is better than the old shit and we can do what we want with modern stuff.
Plus if its cheaper per unit than an AK or M# competitor = yeah!

Also if you are in that proverbial shitfight, you lose guns in warfare. Any time there's a casualty, chances are there's also a primary weapon out of commission. They get lost, blown up, stolen, bent and broken. That can be a real issue for some countries where a gun is still less common than a pair of hands.

>>34997794
Why is Switzerland somehow blue and has a black dot?

>>34998394
That's for Liechtenstein the micro-nation between Switzerland and Austria.

>>34998394
The black dot is Liechtenstein.

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>>34998412
Well then it should be "blue"
They use 5.6 just like Switzerland

>>34998442
Liechtenstein doesn't have a military so black.

Also from the wiki on swiss ammo "The Swiss refer to the round as the 5.6 mm Gw Pat 90, although it is interchangeable with the 5.56×45mm NATO and .223 Remington"

>>34997802
Wait, I thought NATO used the 9x19 Parabellum as its 9mm round, not the Luger. Or are they the same thing and I just wasn't aware?

>>34997794
The Chinese claim ti is ballistically superior to the 5.56, and it very could be, given that it was designed decades later. Any advantage would likely be minimal though, as well as any disadvantage. The chinks manufacture basically every caliber known to man commercially, so there's no reason to think that they would insist on using their own unique round if it wasn't comparable to their foes.

>>34998487
The 9mm parabellum was designed by Georg Johann Luger and is commonly referred to by both names, as well as '9mm NATO', although technically NATO denotes a specific 124gr loading.

>>34998477
Liechtenstein doesn't have a standing military as it's only drafted in times of war. Switzerland is supposed to be in charge of it but it's not stationned there. The swiss police also help them

It's interchangeable because the barrel accepts 5.6 and 5.56 is smaller. A 5.56 barrel is not made to shoot 5.6 on the contrary.

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>>34998509
well there you go, ya' learn something new every day. Have this picture of a gun as thanks for your help, kind stranger.

>>34998532
>the barrel accepts 5.6 and 5.56 is smaller. A 5.56 barrel is not made to shoot 5.6 on the contrary.
This is a stupid meme that needs to die. 5.6mm is the same as 5.56x45mm, the Swiss just label it differently. I've shot .223 through a Stgw 90 and GP90 through various 5.56mm guns.

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It's to minimize compatibility, any potential enemy invading China would not be able to use any battlefield pickup, or capture any useful stores of ammunition. It's why 5.8mm rounds aren't exported even though Chinese guns are exported to New Zealand, Canada. It's sort of the opposite doctrine of Finland.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/08/16/modern-intermediate-calibers-016-5-8x42mm-chinese/

>>34998564
>invading china
>not just destroying 3 gorges dam

>>34998564
>any potential enemy invading China would not be able to use any battlefield pickup, or capture any useful stores of ammunition.
Unless of course the potential enemy starts handing out captured guns and ammo to local anti-communist insurgents...

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Nah. They're just wanting to prove that they're a super power capable of fielding their own caliber rather than being permanently stuck with M43 firing Type 56/81 rifles.
>China stronk

>>34998598
Also, am I the only one who thinks the QBZ-95 (and 03 to a lesser extent) are A E S T H E T I C as fuck?

Map is a lie, I've never seen anyone in Cambodia with a 5.56

>>34998278
wtf is going on here

They currently use 5.56 with the qbzfefrsomeyhin-97 rifles

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>>34997802
>Suriname uses 5.7
tfw the lelgians indoctrinated our only based colony

>>34998731
What about those alphabet islands? Something, something, and Curacao?

>>34997819
One's a genetic condition and the other's mental sickness.

>>34998564

Who the fuck do they think is gonna invade China?

>>34998677
CHYNA IS GOING ON.

>>34998677
I'm not sure, but I do know that it's better, legally speaking, if you kill someone in a hit and run than just injure them. One of those strange situations, like with killing in self defence instead of injuring in America.

>>34998781
>Who the fuck do they think is gonna invade China?
1.Russia
They have good relationship now, but that's not the case before Soviet collapsed.

2.India
Do I need to explain this?

3.USA
Yes, you are. Don't deny it. You constantly sail entire fleet in their backyard, put missiles, high-power radar and spy planes in front of them. also constantly want to subvert them. Of course they'll think you have intention. And look at all the hostile shitposts here whenever talking about China. Its' too obvious.

>>34998970
>if you kill someone in a hit and run
No, it's not better. If you're spotted on doing this and people have solid evidence to prove it, you'll be sentenced to death or life imprisonment. That's not better at all. (It's only better when you haven't been find out.)

I like westerners spreading disinformation about China, but this is just too stupid. Just keep this horseshit in /pol/.

>>34999042
I wasn't "spreading disinformation" I was talking specifically about hit and runs.

The implication being that he was trying to make it look like one, but the video does not describe what I was talking about.

So maybe, I dunno, relax?

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>>34998970
>Do hit and run
>"Shit, it's probably better if I kill him. Dead men tell no lies, etc."
>Video evidence of you committing murder

>>34998655
Cambodia's most recent officially adopted rifle is the QBZ-95 in 5.56x45.

>>34998039
Africans aren't human.

>>34998975
>USA
>invading
>not just destroying their dams and putting sanctions on them fucking their economy

>>34997794
>Is China autistic?
no. it has to do with control. their snowflake rounds are only made in China and can't be smuggled in to help arm any group working against the government that would aquire their guns locally. I remember some anon posted a article about some Chinese police gun that used some bizaro round and would basically blow itself apart after maybe 100 rounds. This was done incase someone stole the gun from the police and tried to use it against the government in combat.

>>34998677
I think Chang had a beef with the couple on the scooters. notice how he drives into them deliberately?

>>34998781
if your country was invaded multiple times over the centuries by everyone from the Mongols to the Japs, you might have an obsession about it too.

>>34998975
That ass is just waiting for an eagle cock hatefuck ok!

>>34997802
FN must have a monopoly in the handgun cartridge business over in Belgium

>>34998564
>It's sort of the opposite doctrine of Finland.
How is Finland's doctrine the opposite?

Do they keep copies of everyone's guns on hand?

>>34999870
No, They use 7.62x39. Since during the cold war they thought they would be invaded by the soviets so they wanted the ability to us soviet ammo in their superiorly built snow elf AKs.

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>>34998561
>I've shot .223 through a Stgw 90 and GP90 through various 5.56mm guns.

That's a really stupid thing to do. GP90 puts more pressure on the barrel than .223. The barrel of a Sig 550 is designed to support this additional pressure on contrary of a standard .223 rifle.

This is why you have two versions of the commercial Sig 55x (550, 551, 552, 553). A 55x-1 version intended for GP90 and a 55x-2 version intended for .223 remington.
Shooting .223 with a Sig 55x-1 is a non-issue. In contrary it is not recommended to shoot GP90 through a 55x-2 or any 5.6 swiss gun.

>>34998050
i will never understand why asians dont all just kill themselves.

>>35000100
No you dumbass, the versiosn have different rifling. All that'll happen if you use the "wrong" ammo is that you'll be less accurate at 300m.
Why do you insist on spreading stupid urban myths??

GP90 is just regular 63gr match ammo, the SG55x-1 series have the 1:7 rifling to support it. You can fire it through any gun that takes 5.56x45 and vice versa.

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>>34997794
>finland
Is this even a recent or based on actual evidence?

>>34997802
Fucking Madagascar.

>>35000620
I think it's just wrong and not outdated, the Finnish military never used a 5.56 main service rifle IIRC.

>>35000620
The Finnish military has been using the RK 62, 7.62x39, and are upgrading to the RK 95 TP, 7.62x39, both of which are AK derivatives.

>>35000642
Nevermind actually, I'm an idiot. I looked at the wrong nordic country.

>>34997817
>their concept of the Century of Humiliation
when you look at all of the Chinese history, late 19-20th century was the most pathetic by far
>Plus, they have no friends to share ammo with anyway.
sure they have no NATO or WP, but they have "friends"
Pakistan
Norks
half of Africa
Iran (possibly)

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>>34997794
>All that 7.62 x39 in Africa and central america
I don't know why exactly but I find this hilarious and sad

>>34997802
>5.7x28mm peppered across the globe
feels good man, wish there was more but at least there's some

>>34997794
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>>34997850
someone screencap this

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>>34998561
>stupid meme
>>35000584
>urban myth

>>35001286
>>All that 7.62 x39 in Africa and central america
>I don't know why exactly but I find this hilarious and sad
Don't forget Binland. X-DDD

>>35000100
Are you retarded?

Sig 55X rifles are made to CIP specs and the CIP considers 5.56 NATO and .223 Remington to be the same cartridges.

>>35001381
Your not disproving what he said though

>>34997802
This way they can drill pistol and rifle barrels with the same machines.
The french did the same during the 19th century.

>>34997794
>>34997802
No, China is the FUTURE.

>>35001381
sssh sssh

>>35001414
>Your not disproving what he said though
He said it was a stupid idea to put .223 through a Sig 550, which is not true. Additionally, as mentioned, .223 and 5.56 are identical cartridges under CIP specifications. There is no risk in shooting .223 out of a 5.56 or vice versa.

Under SAAMI specs they list the .223 as operating at a lower pressure than a 5.56, but even then, there is no issue shooting .223 out of a 5.56 rifle. Additionally, since the chamber specifications are nearly identical between NATO and SAAMI specs, firing a 5.56 out of a .223 chamber, while operating at higher pressures than a .223, still remains within 5.56 max operating pressures.

Regarding the 550, the only difference between the issued rifles and export ones is the rate of twist, otherwise they are identical.