scattergat general

>>34994378
http://cz-usa.com/product/cz-sharp-tail-12-gauge-28-barrels/

>>34994378
>more than one round fired with one trigger pull?
wouldn't that actually make it a machine gun on the eyes of the ATF or some shit?

>superglue a wooden dowel behind the front trigger
>profit

>>34994402
volley fire

>>34994402
Most of them have two triggers

>anyone know of a 12g side by side with a single trigger for double barrel blasting fun?
>buy dual trigger shotgun
>pull both at the same time
>?????????????

>>34994389
>$1022 msrp
get the fuck out of here with that shit

>>34994437
that's a pain in the ass

>>34994442
>being poor

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>>34994378
why did all the other gauges go away? One of the only kinds of diversity i like is ammo diversity

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>>34994378
That's retarded. Grow up.

Double trigger is better because you can blast both barrels at once. Just saying.

>>34994447
>pulling 2 triggers at the same time is difficult
What are you doing here Michael J Fox?

>>34994453
>spending as much on a double barrel shotgun as you would on a decent AR

>>34994389
>http://cz-usa.com/product/cz-sharp-tail-12-gauge-28-barrels/
Pretty sure it still fires 1 at a time.

>>34994499
I have an iron deficiency I can barely hold a pistol still

>>34994527
not external hammer shotguns
anyone know a model?

>>34994455
>8 gauge
holy fuck

Do I buy a sxs for sick memes or do I buy something more reasonable like a Nova?
Where I live, I could buy either for about 400 bucks

>>34994544
>he thinks 8 gauge is powerful
Wait until you see 2 gauge

>>34994551
Nova definitely

>>34994520
>gee why is this gun that they have to somehow attach two parallel barrels, then make them hit in the same spot more expensive than a rifle that has been in mass production since 1964, and literally everyone makes

>>34994551
good doubles are expensive. I heard old stevens 311's are good used double barrels, but those are probably near that price. I was at the gunshop yesterday and they had some $200ish doubles from some of the more odd manufacturers, but they were in kinda rough shape so I passed.

>>34994575
but why?

>>34994378
Stupid Anon, too fucking lazy to do an internet search or live outside his Game

>>34994606
why not?

>>34994378
Zenith Excellence

>>34994402
one trigger, two pulls

>>34994588
>because the gun has a unique feature you shouldn't dare pay under 4 digits for the gun even if there are literally countless of the same examples for half the price
by your logic I should refuse to pay anything less than a hundred thousand dollars for a Glock because the frame is polymer

>>34994606
Cause killing waterfowl one by one is more annoying, duck hunt wasn't that realistic now.

>>34994455
Anything bigger than 10 gauge you can't hunt with.

10 gauge has its niche with waterfowl hunting.

20 gauge still seems pretty common as a lighter load that's still usually sufficient.

Other gauges just fell out of use since so much can be done by 12 and 20.

>>34994703
>Anything bigger than 10 gauge you can't hunt with

Why?

>>34994714
destructive device

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>>34994714
Muh destructive devices

>>34994455
Because there is no other reason to have the otherones.
.410 is for kids and meme revolvers
20ga is for smaller people or those that are recoil sensitive or whatever

(as you can tell I don't really know much or care about those)

12 gauge will do most about anything, you got everything from mini shells, to 2 3/4 target loads, to 3 1/2 super magnum turkey loads.

>>34994670
>by your logic I should refuse to pay anything less than a hundred thousand dollars for a Glock because the frame is polymer

what?
>hur hur it has a $1000 msrp
>I don't know what street price is
Double barrel shotguns are expensive items to properly make, turks or chinks can put them together for less than $500, but it doesn't mean they will last.

>by your logic I should refuse to pay anything less than a hundred thousand dollars for a Glock because the frame is polymer
literally what? I am saying the exact opposite. Double barrel shotguns are complicated to make, AR's and glocks aren't.

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>>34994764
sage

>>34994764
>Double barrel shotguns are complicated to make, AR's and glocks aren't.

Can someone explain why this is? Double barrels are 1800s tech

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>>34994798
>stating that guns that use old world manufacturing techniques makes them expensive to build properly compared to mass production modern designs like AR's and glocks is bait

okay sweetie

>>34994881
don't you have school tomorrow kiddo

>>34994877
he's trolling

>>34994740
Wrong answer.
Migratory bird treaty.
To limit the use of punt guns and widescale destruction of flocks a treaty was signed across NA limiting hunting of migratory birds to 10 gauge and smaller.
As the NFA exempts shotguns from the DD regulations if they have sporting purpose anything over 10 gauge can be a DD. Commonly they are simply exempted on a case by case basis as they are more commonly used for recreational target shooting and big game hunting.

>>34995004
>>34994742

how do you think punt guns would work if used for guerilla warfare?

>>34994531
Are you taking your ferrous sulfate 325mg tablets, or do you need regular iron infusions? Has your hematologist discerned the cause?

>>34994877
>>34994943

No trolling. AR-15s are modular and can be cranked out by machines with basically no fitting required.

Double barrels require tons of hand fitting and barrel regulation to make sure they both hit the same spot. They are also less in demand, so it costs more money to make them. And doubles have wood stocks which cost much more than molded polymer.

tl;dr doubles require more work to make, so they cost more

>>34995032
Not well.
Too unwieldy and hard to use. They were typically lashed to the bow of the boat and used to shoot ducks and geese resting on the water. Simply too heavy and large to use effectively for anything else.

>>34994455
Because 12ga does literally everything well or well enough and has economy of scale on its side.

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>>34994877
>Double barrels are 1800s tech
exactly
Go look up a holland and holland video and see what kinda of work goes into making a double barrel. Obviously it's not the best example since those are hand made guns, but the general idea of it still applies. All the small complex parts, making stocks, inletting. Things like fixing 2 barrels together, without damaging either of them and managing to make them impact in the same location is time consuming. And they are obsolescent technology, there is a reason everyone makes pump action shotguns now instead of double barrels.

AR's are all interchangeable, and easier to manufacturer.

>>34994939
>>34994943
feel free to refute my points at any time buddy

>>34995038
I'm supposed to but I take pills like a woman takes her birth control

>>34995100
>Holland and Holland is the same thing as Stevens

>>34995066
so my dreams of annihilating a fireteam with one trigger pull after hiding in the bushes for 5 hours will never come true?

>>34995114

Is that really your dream?

>>34995114
>what is the M18 Claymore mine for $200, Alex?

>>34995114
You could IED them. Or rig up a cannon with grapeshot.

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>>34995121
doesnt need to be a fireteam, a group of protesters, carolers etc whatever works

>>34995127
>>34995134
Thats just not the same but ill look into the cannon thing

>>34995222
>carolers
Has the war on christmas gone too far?

>>34994470
Which fucking sucks dildos. I did that with buckshot. It felt like I got hit in the shoulder with a baseball bat and the front trigger cut my knuckle good.

>>34995448
They just migrate in packs, the ideal prey really. Waiting for their soothing melodies to draw to a close revealing again the sacred silence of the winter night before I pelt them with three pounds of sonic lead.

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I bought a SureFire G2X Pro Dual-Output for either my 870 or AR. Should I get a magpul forend to mount the light on the 870, or a wilson combat +2 extension and a barrel clamp/light mount?

hey guys I have a question, I want to change the furniture on my mossberg 500 to wood and I found a set of wood furniture online that I like, will this furniture fit right? Ive heard that there are different types of forends that might not fit on some different models of the mossberg 500. I just wanna be 100% sure before buying it.

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I wanted to buy a Stoeger coach gun, but read way too many bad reviews online.

>>34994378
>scattergat

I ain't telling you shit you memey faggot

>>34994453
Nigga you understand thar CZ shotguns are made in Turkey, right? You're literally overpaying by hundreds of dollars for Turkshit.

>>34994442
i bought a stoeger uplander SxS shotgun with 2 triggers for like $500 as my first hunting shotgun, then upgraded to a $2,000 beretta silver pigeon O/U and let me tell you this, you get what you fucking pay for in the double barrel market.

>>34994470
that's stupid because:
1.the gun isn't designed to handle that kind of recoil/ pressure on a regular basis
2. hope you land that fist shot cause you aren't going to get a follow up.
3. most new double trigger guns have a safety that wont let you pull them both at the same time because of the first point i mentioned. you can pull them really fast one after the other which will put a auto-loader to shame in the ROF department but its going to make your aim shit due to the retarded amount of recoil all double barrels have since they don't have moving parts to dampen it.

>>34996570
they suck but they don't suck.... they will work but the fit and finish is appalling. lucky i had a accident and had to take mine apart to clean the internals and there was a shit ton of rust in there that shouldn't have been there. also stoeger has a 5 year manufacture warranty

>>34997056
that's the technical term

>>34996540
fucking tell me what to do

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>>34994544
Great for blasting ayylmaos in the face.

>>34998269
I still can't believe no one made these real yet. I would go for a 3.5 inch 12 GA model.

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Silver pigeon II

>>34998871
That's an over-under m8.

>>34994378
Pull both triggers at once?

>>34994764
Either bait or you are a complete no guns idiot,

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>>34999348

>>34996569
For starters, is your 500 an A or AB? And secondly, what does the listing say the furniture is for?

The difference is in the number of action bars, it's probably a good thing you asked before you grabbed it.

>>34994588

old Stevens 311 is the correct answer.

There a milliuons out there, hanging out in grandpa's closet. As a South Carolinian, I have lost count of the stevens 311's I've seen growing up. They were basically available at every Sears and hardware store, and as common as 10/22's are to this generation.

>>34998797
To be fair it's kind of a pants-on-head design. Why put the mag tube on top if you're still gonna need a tube on the bottom for the pump?

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>>35000165
the Russians didn't think so.

Any recommendations for a replacement for a 590A1 stock? I'd like a shorter LOP that's not a pistol grip+ stock combo. Is the Magpul stock the only game in town?

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>>35000373
I meant the Halo design specifically, cause they added an extra tube on the bottom just for the pump.
Also the Russians tend to design crazy ass guns anyway

>>34994544
>>34994606
It's blackpowder.

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>>34999482
>bite my bait I dare you

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>>35000904
>i-i can't back up my statement with any reasoning since it's bait! not because I am wrong and have literally no argument

>>34994447
>Not doing the old redneck trick of using a used or empty shotgun shell between the two triggers

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>>34995101
So you're telling us that your weak ass, the one that can barely hold and fire a 9mm, is trying to shoot both barrels on a SxS multiple times, if not regularly?

Do you want your shoulders destroyed or are you just an idiot?

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>>35000969

>>34995634
This dude fucks.

Is this a good price? Is it Black Powder? Does it require a Snowflake chamber?

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/687788941

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>>35001000

>>35000977
I'm not weak I just shake a lot and I probably couldn't pull two triggers at the same time

>>35001040
>http://www.gunbroker.com/item/687788941
that's just a 12 gauge double barrel

>>35001066
How old is it? I don't want a grenade.

>>35001066
Also, what chamber is it (2.75, 3, 3.5)?

>>35001066
>>35001040
>>35001086

My bad I thought I was still in the black powder thread, not the shotgun thread.

There is a lot of small things with doubles so I can't really say much without looking at it in person. I'm not really qualified to say what a good one is and what a bad one is from pictures.

The locking lever is still facing to the left, so thats good, when they get worn they start to creep to the right. With doubles you have to check the firing pins, the firing pin holes, lock up, how the forend fits, if there is any bulges in the barrels, if the barrels have worked free from the solder at the front or back, or if the top rib is lose, if the extractors work etc. Also if the wood has gotten soft or developed cracks from oil seepage from the receiver.

The description says model 1900, so it's iffy. The winchester 1897 was the product improvement of the 1894, the 97 was made to be able to use smokeless. It so close in time though that I would ask a fourm specializing in doubles about them. From what I just read, that some might have had steel barrels, and others had damascas, damascas is what has issues with smokeless from what I have heard. Something with the stampings on the gun indicates that K for remington steel and KD for damascas afaik. I heard they are 12 gauge, but might be an odd shell length, but I doubt that is too much of an issue since handloading shotshells is a thing. Definitely not a 3 or 3 1/2 chamber, those are only more recent things.

It looks in fairly decent shape, buying a used sXs without seeing it, at like $550 with it being from 1900 is iffy at best. I'd probably try to find a newer one like a stevens 311

Like I said, I'd go ask a fourm specializing in sXs's and O/U's since they know more about that.

>>34999778
I'm in NE and there is about fuck all for 311's, think I might have seen one in a shop, seen a few on armslist. Same with used sXs's in general really in my area at least.

>>35001273
>>35001107
>>35001086
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTFkn_yVssY
this is where I learned some of the things to look for.

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>>34994458
say that to my face faggot.

>>34994544
8ga is in common use for blasting off the clinker from furnaces and forges.

>>34999616
it has two action bars and the furniture I want is this right here
https://www.gunpartscorp.com/products/561020B
I just want to be completely sure it will fit my gun

Hey gents,
Are there any folding stocks for 870s that are actually decent to use or all of them flimsy/painful?

Looking to get a new shotgun... Was thinking remington 870 for $329 after $50 mail in rebate.
What say you?

>>35005708
Get an old top folding police one made from metal

>>35001060
9mm is 500 ftlbs of muzzle force. 12gauge is up to 3000 and AT LEAST 2000

It will shatter your shoulder. Don't do it, don't be fucking retarded. It's not worth fucking your diseased self up for some goddamn fun.

>>35006788
Oh, and if you want to shoot both barrels at once that'll be like shooting a 9mm 8-12 times at one instant.

What's the current status on 870 express? I've read that the 870 is solid and reliable, but then I see people saying the quality has declined significantly since 2007. Should I skip the 870 and go with a mossberg 590a1 or ithaca 37?

>>35007205
They are the same, get rusty and still having mim extractors. If buying new just get a mossberg.

>>35005751
Decent price for an 870

>>35007205
870s are fine. People do a lot of retarded things with their guns, then get retard-upset when something retarded happens to their gun.

Either that, or people are just meme-happy individuals who would recite the oldest meme and say them like they themselves experienced it, but in reality they are noguns

How do I shotgun if I'm a poor college kid

>>35011372
Mossberg maverick 88

>>35011372
this >>35012117

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got my first scattergat saturday

baikal MP133

>>35012247
I've killed a lot of scavs with that

>>35007205
don't fucking waste the money
t. former 870 express owner

>>35006788
you're not getting the point but whatever

>tfw no cheap 870's have popped up so I can molest them

Looks like I might just do it to the magnum since I can just swap the furniture back on at some point.

http://www.armslist.com/posts/7261151/new-hampshire-shotguns-for-sale--imported-12ga--coach-gun

Kinda tempted to get since I don't want to chop down a nice double to coach length.

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>>35001544
I already did in the real world.

>>34998269
>>34998797
Doesn't it shoot 10 gauge or 9 gauge or something overtly excessive like that, too?

>>35012781
i want that game

>>35001544
fuck thats shiny

>>34994378
>shotgun general
>posts a doubles rifle

>>35000373
Every time somebody asks why Ruger doesn't have a shotgun this is what I fantasize about. Except without the retarded stock

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>>34994531
But you think you can handle the recoil of two 12 gauges at the same time?

>>35009446
You do know that ever since freedom group acquired remington, the quality has gone down significantly yes?

https://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comments/2mdlc5/whats_the_deal_with_freedom_group_and/

https://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comments/2marli/i_ordered_my_first_new_remington_a_few_weeks_ago/

https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Are_you_thinking_about_buying_a_gun_from_a_Freedom_Group_company__You_should_reconsider_/5-1639492/

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1157748/pg1

http://www.fieldandstream.com/answers/rifles/remington-quality

>>35018071
>that awkward moment when the clones you farm out to china are higher quality and have better features than the ones you make in the US and sell for more.

>>35018217
Yep. "American-made" and "Made in the USA" is such an embarrassing meme now.

>>34996540
>>34997951
I ended up buying a wilson combat extention off arf last night for $35. Might get an ergo tri rail, magpul forend or a mag clamp light mount for the light

>>35013486
8 Gauge, my friend.