BRG battle rifle general

What kind of accuracy can I expect from a ptr?

>>34989436
2.5-3 moa.

They are not inherently accurate rifles, although the "my PTR shoots .5 inch groups at 100 yards!" crew will chime in shortly.

Remember that to get the G3 to 1 MOA, HK reworked the barrel, trunnion, receiver, bolt head, rollers, trigger, and more.

>>34989722
Anyone who claims .5 MOA out of a PTR is a retard. You can get close to that out of a precision AR10, but the G3 just isn't made for that.

I did see a guy at my range pulling ~1-1.25 inch groups at 100 yards with a bull barrel PTR 91 from a the bench with match grade handloads. We talked a bit and he said it took handloading to get that level of accuracy out of it.
Sample size of one in my experience though.

I bought c308 fight me lol

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>>34989876
That wouldn't be a fair fight anon.
Your gun would jam up or split the Century monkey welds, and get you killed.

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>>34989436
>What kind of accuracy can I expect from a ptr?
2-4MOA.

Thoughts on an FNAR as a battle rifle? I might pick one up just to add it to my FN collection.

Should be picking up an FNC pretty soon too.

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The only two things you need.

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>>34990356
Been thinking I might want one for a durr rifle

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Am I welcome too? Picked this thing up a while ago, great for clearing annoying people off the range with how loud it us and how far it throws brass.

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Milfag here. Ama anything about the g3a3/a4,HK11,MG3,RPG

>>34990392
That furniture looks loads better than the original. I'll have to look into that and try to find a set

>>34990424
BAR short trac replacement furniture. That adjustable comb makes me moist

>>34990422
What is?

>>34990423
How'd you manage to trash that handguard?

>>34990628
Galil ACE SAR in 7.62x51. Thing is fun as all getout to shoot, but the irons it suck as they're ajustable between 300 & 500m only.

>>34989722
my PTR shoots .5 inch groups at 100 yards

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>>34990423
>Ama anything
Pay denbts?

>>34990686
no kikes guns allowed

>>34989722
>They are not inherently accurate rifles
stfu you god damn retard. the action is inherently the MOST accurate of the big 4
>m14, piston
>ar10, DI
>fal, tilting block and a piston
>g3, no gas system

>>34990356
did you already come out to your parents?

>>34991022
Then why are AR10 more accurate?

>>34991086
>more
eh, thats subjective
best reason id say is just more manufactures making things in this pattern. the g3 set-up is bolt locking up with barrel and nothing else. if you have a bad triple tree and its not truly floating thats another problem

>>34991202
Whats best in the drawing room and best on the range are two different things. Even HK has dropped rollers

>>34990392
that is fucking sexy, what is it

>not calling it Chaddle rifle

Delete this thread and restart OP.

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In for bully

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>>34989431
Both masterrace.

>>34991708
Get the G3K.

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>>34991708
No bully zone

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>>34991775
Costs $$$$$ and I have plenty of things I want more right now

>>34991791
I needs it

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>>34989431
I wish they'd make a 10 or 15 round mag for the R1. I'd buy that in a second.

>>34991275
Yea, they work but make for a clunky feel when shooting and if you actually use your guns they need maintaining

>>34990635
Running on rough terrain with combat vest on. Tripped over and fell ON my gun. The next day during inspection the captain instead of ordering to glue it or some other shit,pulled the entire part off.

>>34990422
Over gassed?

>>34991810
Get ACR stock

>>34991656
FNAR with browning shorttrac furniture. Stock has been cut for an adjustable comb, muzzle threaded.

>>34992368
No

I've considered an original if I can find a Belgian one but other than that my only plans are a shorter barrel, hiduminium lower, and a lighter optic

>>34992389
Whats it weigh as it is now?

Best battlerifle for a first time buyer?
Budget is up to 1300.
Between PTR, DS Arms FAL, AR10 and Springfield M1A?

>>34992583
12lb
A new optic, shorter barrel, new lower, and lighter stock could easily get me to 10 or less

What about Loli vs fox girl
loli vs burger ?
There are PLENTY OF OPTIONS IN LIEFU

>>34992594
AR10 hands down... Then you have money for optic and rounds

>>34992331
Don't think so, just chucks the PPU bulk stuff about a mile. Grouping of the casings is rather consistant though. So far it has shot everything I've put in it, from cheapo hotshot steel to high end match ammo, and back to old Venezuelan surplus ammo I got for about $3 a box at the LGS.

>>34990792
Are you the one who's been following me since I mentioned getting an atlantic built East German AK?

>>34989431
that looks like a TF scene from G3 to FAL
>G3
>rhodie G3
>FAL

>>34989875
>but the G3 just isn't made for that
It can be. They've made fucking M14s half 1-.5 MOA. Its the FAL that's totally incapable of it.

>>34992968
Until you pick up the m14 wrong

Hey boys, just got a new ptr with a bull barrel, what kind of accessories should i get for it?

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>>34989431
Are DSA FALs worth buying?
I've heard a lot of shit but they seem to be the only FAL you can get new anymore

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>>34994901
http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=418376

http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=417510

DSA a shit and their reps are man children.

>>34994901
>is it a good idea to waste half the cost of a SCAR

So in looking to buy my first battle rifle. Was thinking a fal. What's a good place/company to get one from?

>>34995267
>>34995267
you missed the boat for good fals by about 4 years as that was when DSA was still putting together and selling parts kits. As now they make all of there own Fals and they have become known for having problems

>>34995376
Damn. What about ptr's?

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>>34995918
PTRs are good to go. If you feel like putting in the effort, FAL buils are pretty good and you'll be spending DSA prices for a much nicer FAL.

>>34995937
Are imbel builds/prebuilt rifles any good?

>>34995918
Meh but cheaper
In a perfect world get both

>>34996012
Too bad I only have the budget for one

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>>34996006
Yeah, Imbels are good. Here's a post from a few threads ago that laid out what you need for a build. The receiver links are probably gone by now but you can look through gunbroker and falfiles.
>>34852033

>>34996012
I'd rather have my PTR than a DSA.

>>34996032
Start with one then buy the other. If cost is going to be a concern then .308 may not be for you right now

An FAL will probably baseline you at ~1k or a little more and then 20-30 per mag
A PTR can be got as low as 7-800 and mags are 3 bucks

>>34996053
Surplus all the way if you want to go FAL teebeehay

Real .308 hours who up

is the scar the ultimate battle raifu? no meme, I'm trying to find the 308 for me but I'm not familiar enough with them. just want something with that level of versatility. >>34997144
nibba

>>34990380
This is pretty gay

>>34991022
>AR10
>DI
Try again

Also AR10: more lugs, recoil impulse into shoulder, barrel can be free floated. Way more accurate than hk91. ......but not as cool.

>>34997570
Says the fag

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>>34991791
I love/hate scars. I had the money to buy one Not too long ago. Bought a saiga 308 and an AR15 and lots of accessories instead.I'll get one someday though....or an 805 and call it close enough.

>>34992594
Ptr you'll also have money for optic....which you can mount if you get the PTR91 GI R that one has the sight rail.

>>34994901
I've been hearing A lot of bad about the voyager lately. Quality is rumored to be in the toilet right now. Could have something to do with them running out of original parts.

>>34996058
Hey ho hey what's going on with 308 prices? Is supply low? I haven't noticed anything . you can't just say that and not elaborate.

>>34997190
I wouldn't buy scar as a first battle rifle. If you were a great marksman with 308 already. Then yeah is go scar. But if not you're not going to notice the difference between a PTR an AR10 or a scar.

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I love my cetme

>>34997190
Yes, virtually by default.
The only other BR that can compete with it for ease of mounting an optic is the AR10, and that loses out on weight.
The SCAR is lightweight, accurate, reliable, easy to scope, has great ergonomics, and now that it's been out for a while the aftermarket has caught up so you can get things like 18" barrels, lowers that take normal magazines, and reasonable sling attachment points.
It really can't be beat, if you've got enough cash.

>>34997190
Using the suppressed setting voids the warranty.
Other than that it's breddy gud.

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I bought an Olympic arms L1A1 for $500 bucks, not sure if shit or not, haven't shot it yet

>>34999634
>Oly
>inch-pattern
It's probably a bit shit, yeah.

>>34999660
Not too worried, I have to wait till i move out of apartments before i can feasibly build an imbel kit anyways. I saw it on armslist and sort of said fuck it.

>>34999634
Ill buy it off you for $450

>>34992683
>butter
>barrel

>>35000720
Not selling.

>>34991022
a retard is you

>>34992594
for $1,300 you can afford a palmetto ar10 and a ptr.

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>>34997927

Ass phone camera quality.

But I enjoy my CETME as well. No problems with it, plan to get a bayonet for it here soon.

>>35000759
Is there a reason everyone calls it a butter barrel?

>>34991086
>Multi-lug rotating bolt locks up with breech extremely consistently, vs rollers on G3 and tilting bolt on FALs
>DI means less moving parts vs piston, softer recoil impulse, though this is a follow-up shot thing than a precision thing
HK modified their roller system a shitton to get it really precise, FALs use a tilting bolt you really can't improve much.

>>34990686
no kikes guns allowed

>>35001745
Duct tape a kitchen knife to it for the real feeling

>>35000806
$445

>>35001818
Soft us barrels. They arent that bad but not good

>>35002447
Thanks anon. Wish I could have got one with more original parts. Sadly. Not able to anymore.

>>35002671
Buy an L1A1 barrel and replace it

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>>35002146
What? You don't like it kosher?

>>35002677
Dont want to, if I did, I would have to take the original East German gas block on it off. They have a different slant to them and I don't really want to wreck it due to scarsity.

>>35002736
You can unthread the barrel and leave the gasblock intact

>>35002747
Might look into it then. Does it work with all FAL pattern rifles or just L1A1 barrels?

>>35002758
It's all the same process

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One more of it with my hex reciever 33 tula at a range day.

>>34992604
12lbs loaded or unloaded? How the fuck is it that heavy without a quad rail or optic?

>>35003089
12lb unloaded with the CASV, DSA extended top, CompM4, light/switch/vfg, and LMT SOPMOD

>>35003100
Whoa. And I thought my saiga 308 was heavy at 11

>>35003265
There's some stuff I wanna buy for it that will reduce the weight drastically, namely a hiduminium para lower. That alone would drop it down to 11 or a bit less

>>34991775
Hey good lookin

>>34990423
what country

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>>35003390
Ay girl how you doin?

>>34995376
>>34997796
you guys are idiots, their problems are with the receivers, they've almost always made their own receivers as that is what you Don't get in a parts kit you morons. original parts what the fuck do you even mean by original parts? you surely don't mean the receiver because you're not that fucking stupid are you? yeah muh lmt receiver whatever, dsa receivers were good up until this year a bunch of lemons have been popping up. how does no more surplus handguards, barrels, stocks etc = its now shit? fucking ignorants dsa has been advertising 100% a us parts fal for fucking ever. god I hope chris bartocci makes a video about the recent fail of dsa and he goes over this in a way you retards can understand.

>>34999660
inch pattern rifles have typically been safer bets (up until coonans receivers started coming out defective) just rather harder to find.

>>34999634
post pics of receiver senpai, who made it what info do you have on this bad boy?

What do y'all think is the best battle rifle option for a lefty shooter?

>>35002785
Thanks anon. I'm gonna go play with it once I finish my move with the original barrel, if it gives me major issues, I might try and make a frankengun again (although this time I don't have my grandpa to help out...).

>>34997190
XCR-M uses SR25 mags and is comfy as fuck. I fingerfucked a buddy's for 2 mags and I loved it.

>>35003685
SCAR 17S

>>35000675
I think a Magpul UBR would look better on that. And make my dick even harder.

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>>35003517
I bought it off a friend of mine, it's a parts build that he made in the early 2000s with an Olympic receiver I think they're called t-48 2000s. I had no idea Olympic made receivers and I thought it would be a neat thing to have regardless

Guys, I need advice. I really like FALs, and I'm looking to get a DSArms SA58 Traditional with a 18" barrel.

Are they fine? I can probably get one for the dealer rate or so, if that's worth considering.

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Like I said I bought it off a buddy of mine, who I've bought flawless guns off of before. So it should be pretty good to go, I'll take it shooting sometime soon and find out for myself though

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>>35003942
>>35003962
Fug, I really want to build an L1A1.

>>35000675
Jesus christ anon.

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>>35004052
I'd kill for an early C1A1

Cuban kit is next on my list

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>>35004251
I too want a Cuban FAL.

m1a scout good or a shit?

>>35004351
I've seen one kit in a year and it was a pretty expensive one despite mismatch, here's hopin we can both get some real luck then

>>35004251
>>35004351
you guys are idiots. E sarco kits are cuban and they are absolute shit, not the kits fault they are so banged up they just are what they are. totally rusted up and shit, the imbel kits you guys have seen are leagues above them. I'd only buy a cuban kit if i saw it on gunbroker and i knew exactly what the kit i'm getting looks like.

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>>35004441
I have other stuff I want too though. My first big project for next year is a semi MG3 build.

>>35004446
Kek I bet they're in terrible shape but they're cool.

>>35004423
Just get a normal M1A and an Ultimak handguard.
Or, better yet, get a battle rifle that isn't a flimsy, instantly-obsolete, dumped-in-record-time-for-good-reason shitstick, such as literally anything else.

>>35004446
Are you the dumb or something? I want a cuban one cause it's cool, not cause I need an FAL. Not like Izzy or SA kits are all that great either

>>35004480
>semi auto belt fed
Eh

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>>35004542
Zasta has a full auto blank fire one and Flandre's making one. I want one I can actually shoot. Not ideal, but it'll be cool enough that I wont care.

>>35004582
Fair enough, and if you can really afford to feed it it seems that binary triggers are legal for whatever you want to put them in, could do some time with flandre to try making one up. Can't be too hard with all the literal bubbas making them

>>35004611
An HK21 with a binary trigger would be interesting

>>35004582
Its glossier than sakuyas

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>>35005225
I was going for something closer to the original Imbel paint.

>>35001745
I'd also get a bipod, hear that the cetme's handguard can accept a Harris mount

>>35005297
Imbels were shiny as fuck back in the day

>>35004542
Hey dumbass he's letting you know your cool gun parts kits from the only vendor that has them are all in rusted pitted beat to shit condition and telling you how you can maybe score a good one. When someone passes on some info the correct answer is thanks.

>>35005297
You refinished that?

>>35006338
Hey dumbass, I want a beat to shit kit and know exactly what I'd be getting into with one of them. When someone posts that they want something and understand that it has problems the correct response is "ok"

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>>34994901
>>34995056
>>34995149
>>34997796
>>35003491
>tfw spent $1900 on a new DSA FAL
w-what im i in for?

>>35007101
>1900
>a fucking dsa fal
A quick return for your money back I hope

>>35007115
Well it wasn't a voyager, that has to count for something right?

>>35007138
No, not really. You could get a kit built Stg58 or Imbel on an Imbel, grayslake, or even LMT receiver for 1k-1400 at the high end if it came with mags

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>>34989431
these Finnish Valmet made M-78's are pretty cool even though they're technically not battle rifles rather automatic rifles
this one is chambered in 7.62 x 51 i believe and has a receiver made from a machined forging

I FUCKING LOVE ME A GOOD FLOPPIE SLOTTER

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>>35005435
Ye

>>35006355
It's just some enamel high performance paint. I only painted the barrel and receiver.

>>35000675
Squid what are you doing

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>>35008108
Im one SCAR away from squid.

>>35007101
disappointment ahead

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What scopes do you guys use for your battlerifle?

I'm looking to get one but I'm stuck between getting a fixed sight vs adjustable. Any reason you would choose a fixed 4x scope such as an acog over an adjustable 1-6x such as a vortex eagle?

>>35010618
There's very little reason to get a fixed-power scope at this point, unless you're simultaneously a huge poorfag and a glass snob.

>>35010618
Nightforce nxs 2.5-10x32 sometimes a kahles k16i

>>35010689
what if its for the aesthetics of the scope, like an PSO or an old mosin scope

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>>35010752

Was looking to get a pso for my vepr but an anon told me that they're not that great for follow up shots or something like that.

Any anons here own a pso? Thoughts?

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>>35011004
>they're not that great for follow up shots
That makes no sense to me. The 4x models have a wide field of view and it's easy to come back on target while firing since you never really lose sight of it.

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Check out this super cheap 7.62RFN surplus ammo I got. 8cpr shipped. I can't believe this isn't more popular.

>>35007101
$1,900! have you seen what $1,900 can buy you on gunbroker? for $1,900 you could have had your choice of the best builders make you a custom fal out of the best parts. fucking idiot.

>>35011409
all i get after searching is german blank training rounds. wtf senpai? you avin a giggle?

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>>34989431
Am I doing this right?

>>35011644
yes

>>35011409
Where at?

>>34989722
Shit, I get like .78 MOA....Just kidding.
moar like 2-3. Fun gun though and it's nice having the extra power.

>>35011644
The AR should be a M4A1 CQBR clone that's clearly had $SCAR dumped into it, not some Tapcofucked M4gery, but otherwise yes

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>>35011004
They arent that great. Gypsy shit here

>>34989431
>implying that general issue 7.62x51 ball doesn't have worse terminal performance and effect on target than general issue 5.56 around the time it was introduced

If you took me back to the 70s id take the AR over the m14 every damn day of the week unless cover was involved.

>>35003459
9/10 dog

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>>35011595
Look harder

>>35011853
Down at the bottom
http://www.dansammo.com/ammo.asp

>>35012265
Thank

>>35012285
Awesome doggo, gun, and cat? Knocking life out of the park anon.

>>35012285
Okay so not blanks but it is that all blue training ammo my google fu turned up. What is the point of it? what rifle are you shooting it out of and does it cycle the action so you can shoot semi?

>>35012285
9/10 cat too

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>>35012600
>>35013400
Thank

>>35013362
Kek these are blanks. It's what I'm using in my FAL at MSW. Wish I could use that plastic training ammo instead though.

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>psa has driven the AR10 game to sub $500

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>>35011899
>They arent that great.
They aren't that bad either. Sighted in my psl just fine with it. I should have stocked up on a literal boatload of the factory 188 stuff that's been so accurate while it was still ~20c/r.

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>>35013740
>that pic

>>35004542
Found this for your hearing pleasure:

https://youtu.be/k-vQulLZ_FY