glock

Yea typically you want your hand to have a long lifetime but with the introduction of Glock ™ your hand can last only one day out on the range!

>>34989411
No. Don't beta test the Gen 5 though, go 3 or 4.

>>34989411
Glock gen 4s are perfectly fine, but I'll echo >>34989429
The improvements offered in gen 5s are not worth the risk of defective garbage that glock has previously been known for in their initial runs. "GLOCKNADE" is not a joke, it has happened.

>>34989425
>>34989441
What is the safest gun?

>>34989456
Anything gen 4 glock will (probably) be fine, as a first time pistol you'll probably want a 17 or 19. I wouldn't box yourself into just looking at glocks though. Try other pistols, make sure they feel good in your hand.

Another tip for nogun becoming yesgun: never leave your LGS without knowing how to take down your purchase for cleaning. Have them show you how. Also on that note, make sure you get cleaning supplies: lube/bore cleaner/etc or CLP, patches, bore brush, and what not.

>>34989499
What are other good starter pistols?

>>34989411
How many of you have seen Glock only people fail at operating any other type of gun? I know I have.

>>34989411
yes and no

depends what you expect from the gun

>>34989523
That will depend on your budget range, but if you're looking at glocks I'll assume around $450-$600. In no particular order: CZ 75, Steyr M9-A1 (my first, make sure it has a roll pin underneath the rear sight - indicates its the latest and good generation), Beretta 92FS, Canik TP9 ("similar" to the CZ, made by turkroaches).

>>34989606
All shit.

OP get a gen 3 or 4 Glock if you can afford it. The aftermarket/accessory field is huge, not to mention there isnt a single holster manufacturer who doesn't make holsters for glocks--not the case for those other pistols listed. If its your first and/or only gun, a glock is a smart buy. You'll also be able to buy your mags locally instead of having to order online.

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>>34989411
It's all about what you expect

It's ugly as Obama's wife
Fits in your hand like a brick
And you can twist its frame (when disassembled) like your grandfather's dick...

However shoots perfectly, is reliable, almost maintenance-free and human stupidity resistant...

If you buy it you will find out if it suits you, if not you'll easily sell it away.

A wide range of accessories is available for it, literally shit tons. Do you want a bicycle blinker or cup holder for it?

>>34989606
>Canik TP9 ("similar" to the CZ, made by turkroaches).
The TP9 is a cheap copy of the Walther P99, not of the CZ75.

>>34989411
Go to a gun range that does rentals. See what you like because it really comes down to personal preference.

Most pistols in the $400-$600 range are great including Glock.

Glock is the Honda civic of guns, it will serve you well for years even if you don't take particularly good care of it, has huge aftermarket and holds resale well.

Not a particularly fun gun though, but maybe you'll enjoy it.

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>>34989687
>Obamas wife
>wife

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>>34989640
T. Glockfag who is incapable of appreciating anything but glocks

OP anything by CZ, HK, S&W, Beretta would be fine. Glocks are functional and for some people the grip feels fantastic and it points and aims naturally.

Personally, I am not one of those people. Just feels wrong to me and I am less accurate with it than I am with other polymer pistols.

>>34989687 is basically right. Try it before buying it, especially important is to try other wonder 9s as well. People's hands are shaped differently so ergonomics are subjective.

Glocks are wonderfully reliable, but so are guns from other manufacturers.

tl;dr glocks are fine, try a bunch of wonder 9s from other quality manufacturers before buying though.

>>34989719
What's not fun about 33 round magazines?

>>34989411
they're fine, but many new shooters (and old) complain they feel like bricks.

We're in a handgun renaissance though, might want to try a few models before deciding on one.

>>34989411
>is the glock really that bad as a first pistol?

Glocks are fine for duty carry or concealed carry. They are pretty easy to handle overall, but the trigger is lackluster at best and the ergonomics are basic bitch. It will require some training for you to master the trigger pull on this.

For a range gun, it's just tacticool tier. There's no real reason to get it for sporting use, other than being cheap and having a large aftermarket to barbie it up.

That said, the shitty trigger will teach you trigger control, which in turn likely means you'll have an easier time with other shitty triggers.

>>34989606
>CZ 75, Steyr M9-A1 (my first, make sure it has a roll pin underneath the rear sight - indicates its the latest and good generation), Beretta 92FS, Canik TP9 ("similar" to the CZ, made by turkroaches).

Probably should add the S&W M&P series pistols & the Sig P226 to that?

But considering OP never said what the gun would be used for, it's a fucking shit show to suggest things.

That said:
>Beretta 92FS

So from a tuperware brick to an anchor. Ugh. Safety on the slide is pants on head retarded and there really are no other redeeming features to the 92FS. The only reason it's even somewhat accepted is because "teh armeh uses it too, so it must be the best there is!". I guess it looks kinda good, but that's about it.
The trigger is underwhelming as fuck for its price range.

>>34989754
What are some guns with good triggers?

>>34989773
VP9 almost converted me away from Glock faggotry.

>>34989773
>What are some guns with good triggers?

Maybe start with explaining your intended use for the guns, where you are and if any restrictions apply (like restricted mag cap).

>>34989411
goto a gun range that allows you to rent guns ad try some out. the right will will feel good in your hands.
mmes are dumb.
if it shoots and works for you, what does it matter really?

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>>34989456
>>34989441
OP don't listen to fucking retards. A Glock 19 gen 3 is the best first all around gun in my opinion. The Glocknade shit is a fucking meme. Yes Glocks gave blown up but that is usually almost always due to fucked up handloads or faulty ammunition mfg. Glocks are the most used pistol on this planet from police, competition, carrying, Government, military, contracting you name it. Sometimes it blows my fucking mind how people parrot literal fucking memes on this board as objective fact. Fucking idiots

>>34989797
>in my opinion
spoken like a true parrot

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>>34989896
Go back and join the rest of the stupid fucking hoopleheads on this board ya cock. The board has always had some reallllllllllly bad groupthink/echo chamber going on, especially not being able to decipher objectivity from meme, but it has gotten noticably worse the past 2 years since the Reddit full on invasion. Reddit tends to ruin everything. If 4chan is the ball sack of the intent, Reddit is the pathetic little herpe that keeps popping up needing constant attention

>glockfags go ballistic at mention of the possibility that a glock isn't the best first purchase for OP

Glocks are great, after market is great. I don't see many, if indeed any, contesting that point.

HOWEVER, none of that matters if it feels like a brick in OP's hands and he never uses it after purchase because its uncomfortable for him to shoot. His first pistol needs to be something HE enjoys shooting, and he ought to shoot it a lot to develop proficiency. If another pistol fits him better, so be it. There are plenty of great options already mentioned in this thread alone.

>>34990045
>he
did you just assume OPs gender?

>>34990005
Moron

>>34990005
>the Reddit full on invasion
Moron

>>34989411

Sig P320
Glock 17 (or Glock 19) Gen 3 or 4.
Arex Rex Zero 1

There are others, of course. What matters most is that you get a good grip on the gun and that it's comfortable for YOU to use and carry.

>>34989411
Look at the Springfield XD series, every one here will meme and say you shouldn't buy from them but it's not a quality issue it's a political one. That being said they're having a deal where you get the gun, which is basically an improved Glock from Croatia, 6 magazines, a holster, mag holder, and range bag for $425

>>34990166
>XD
Leave!

Walther PPQ or HK VP9 are really good choices, they have the best ergos for the widest group of people.

>>34990166
They only have a deal that good BECAUSE of the political pressure. They know they could go the way S&W did in the nineties so they're trying to buy love. Informed buyer and all that

>>34989531
To be completely honest I usually see the opposite.
I have seen people at the range that got confused by glocks lack of a safety, and not understand the trigger "safety"
I've only owned glock handguns, I'm not a fanboy by any stretch of the imagination, I just prefer glocks. I came to this conclusion by growing up shooting HKs, Sigs, and Berettas, all of which are phenomenal guns, I just like Glocks simplicity.

>>34990275
>To be completely honest
dumbest fucking preface ever
"Here's how I prove I'm not a liar"
Get fucked.
Glocktards are tards.

>>34989425
Found the fud

What's with all the asshurt fanboys in this thread?

HK, S&W, Glock, Walther, Ruger and Canik strikers are all good.

All that matters is the user's preference for controls and ergonomics, which is mostly subjective.

>>34989411
>bad
no.

But a lot of people make the claim that glocks are the best first time gun because the g19 is so ubiquitous and does everything ok to very well.

Glocks are fine but sidearms tend to be very personal affairs for a reason, taste and preference play a large role in how much you'll enjoy any particular gun, along with your specific intended uses. Lot's of people find that they don't particularly like glocks because other designs do what they really wanted them to do better than the glock even if they are also relatively deficient in other areas.

Buy once cry once. The best first gun depends on the person. Look around and try out as many different kinds as you can, pay attention to what you do and don't like about them. Then come up with an idea of what the ideal combination of features would be for you. Now youre ready to ask around and try to find something that does what you want at a workable price point.

>>34990318
>reply with completely unbiased opinion
>even stated he feels other guns are good
>never said glocks are better
>retard flips autism switch and goes full assblasted mode
spotted the HK fan.

>>34990864
Tell your mom to take off her strap on so you can think clearly.

>>34989411
I am a Glock.

>>34989411
it's pretty bad imo. if you go to a range shoot a few guns you will feel utterly disgusted by the glock. the glock gun is like the glock knife. it works but you feel filthy and cheap after using it.

No and you can get one for as low as 310.49

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>>34989411
Definitely not
>Mags are cheap
>Aftermarket is plentiful if you want/need to replace anything
>Relatively lightweight
>Nice capacity, can get 10, 15, 17 and 33 rounds mags for 9mm
>Easy to take apart and clean
Downsides,
>Relatively expensive for a brand new one. You can however get a used or police trade-in
>no safety (this is up to the individual)
>Automatics are more complicated (not trying to endorsing revolvers)

A safe bet is to go with a Gen 3 or 4 as that's most common. One thing I'd suggest is that you look at other options as well to make sure you're not missing out.
Just go to your LGS, take a look at a bunch of guns, hold them, dry fire them, feel their weight, if you can get a rental do so; I recommend that the most, finally look at your budget. Consider all of these things; sleep it over if you can.

>>34989429
>Don't beta test the Gen 5
FBI/LEO/And the MHS trials have already done that, though.

>>34989411
As a 1911 user, obviously I believe that the best first, last, and only handgun you will ever need is a bobbed .45 ACP Commander. If, however, you are too much of a pleb to deserve to carry the best pistol ever made by man, then there is nothing at all wrong with the Glock 19 other than it's a pile of plastic kraut shit probably originally sold to the US as a joke. The Glocknade meme, while based in fact, as far as I know only really affects those guns shooting 10mm and other heavier rounds, not regular 9mm (unless you decide to get stupid with your reloads). For whatever it's worth, the G19 is a fairly cheap, comfortable, and user friendly little piece. You could definitely do worse.

>>34993223
As a wheel gun lover, I find that 1911's are absolutely top notch guns. The Ruger SR1911 in 10mm is in my near future.
>sold to the US as a joke
Please explain

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>>34989441
>glocknade is not a joke, it has happened.

>>34990903
That makes no sense fag

>>34993317
Warning, admittedly from someone who has never operated a 10mm 1911, that every 1911 short of the Bruin has a reputation of not handling 10mm well.

>>34993412
Then I'm guessing she never took it off. You are still not thinking clearly.

>>34989523
CZ-75, P-09, P-07, M1911 if you like dishing out dosh, Walther P-99, Sig Sauer P-226, P-320 (if you don't drop it)

>>34993460
Ruger's reputation of handling bad ass ammo is exactly why I have so many Rugers.

>>34989719
I think they're more like the subaru of guns.

>>34993639
With boxer engines and AWD?

>>34990194
Agree with the vp9 but I hate the ppq grip. I even like glock better.

I'd go with a Canik and spend the rest on ammo.

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>>34993639
>Fandom is basically a cult
>Owners install mods with greater regard for being unique than being functional
>Forums are a circlejerk

>>34993715
Yeah, basically. Plus they hold their value relatively well because lots of people want used ones.

>>34989773
Try some different ones for yourself. I think the VP9 trigger is horrendous (though light) and the ppq trigger is good.

>>34989797
The glocknade meme reffered only to one specific .40 cal glock in the first generation. And that was only because idiots were using +p rounds in guns for which they were not intended.
This only continues to be parroted by insecure tools who can't find anything wrong with glocks.

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>>34994443
But my Eccks Dee 40 can run +P fine, and is cheaper than a Glock...

>>34994443
>goes to goolag search engine
>looks for "glock injures"
HOLY POO! THE CARNAGE!

>>34994443
>anything wrong with glocks
they explode

>>34994443
Stuck in an 80's design
Looking like a moldy slab of butter
Glocknade
Glock leg
Glock aids

>>34989429
But what is there to be defective? Everything is the same except the polymer molding.

>>34994690
Can only figure out one ambi feature per "gen"
LOL

>>34993033
>>34994690
>But what is there to be defective? Everything is the same except the polymer molding
>FBI/LEO/And the MHS trials have already done that, though.
its Glock, they'll manage to fuck something up despite the fact they've been making the same gun for over 30yrs
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/08/19/breaking-glock-17m-recalled-police-department/

>>34989773
I hear the p99 AS is pretty nice, more like a da/sa trigger

>>34989411
glawks annoying fanbase and the annoying anti-glock memes.

Its a decent cheap but incredibly dull gun, analogous to a Camry or Accord.

>>34989411
Its a great first pistol. Works everytime. Not a lot of maintenance. However it lacks safety. I don't like them because they are boring. I do have a couple though.

>>34989640
Shit opinion here

it's the toyota of guns.
but they market and release each iteration like Apple.

>>34989429
>b-but my Gen4 still has the same resale value before the Gen5 right?
nope
>better tell /k/ that the Gen5 sucks...yeah, that'll work.

>>34989411
Not at all. The Glock 19 especially is an excellent first pistol.

I used to be the biggest Glock hater out there, but once I stopped being a teenager I realized that they're popular for pretty good reasons.

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>>34989411
glocks are fantastic handguns, don't listen to the sig buttboys, they are all mad they got dysentery because of the indian made parts in their pistol and it shot them in the balls when dropped


SIG IS POOOOOOED

>>34989411
The gun itself isn't bad.

The only real worry is that you'll turn into a total Glawkbaby who can't shoot anything that isn't a polymer striker and shuns anything that doesn't have the same Glock standard features or handle like a one.

>>34989640
>So what are some gpod starter guns other than Glock
>NO MAN JUST GET A D U D E, G L O C K, L M A O

>>34989754
Just want to let you know everything you've said about the Beretta 92fs is completely wrong and you're a nigger

>>34997326
He's right you know.

Since when do newfags actually take the glocknade meme seriously? wtf?

Didn't we use to give good advice on here?

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>>34989754
M92FS Is good. Its heavy and has a heavy first trigger pull but I love it none the less

>>34989730

>>34989687

This

>>34997252
And I see you're mad that your black brick of shit isn't as good as a CZ, yet costs anywhere from 50 to 100 dollars more, for a spongier trigger, worse grip, and worse feel. I've shot Glocks before, and I fucking hate the damn trigger and grip on that thing. just about any goddamn handgun that wasn't a fucking Hipoint that I've shot so far has had a better feeling trigger than it.

>>34998210
CZ's shoot themselves apart in a couple thousand rounds. You can't really compare them to serious duty guns.

>>34997299
>Noguns here,
>is the glock really that bad as a first pistol?
what are you on about

>>34989411
I don't even like Glock but they are good first pistol.

>>34993331
Is that a USP?

>>34998457
And what proof do you have to support this? Because last I checked, the CZ-75 IS the duty gun of several nations, the Czechs, Chile, Macedonia, El Salvador, Brazil, and police departments in the United States, Egypt, Finland's Customs Agency, Georgia, Greece, Kazakhstan, Mexico and Thailand's special security units, amongst other agencies. Hell, the P-09 I have has easily gone through all the ammunition I've thrown at it, cheap steel cased Tula, Federal, etcetra, and has yet to suffer a single failure that was the gun's fault. So you can take your bullshit and shove it up your ass, instead of just repeating memes that you've seen on the 'net

>>34995092

Seconded, just sold my gen3 19 to buy a p99. Ergo fit me much better and has the trigger/decocker I want for CC.

>>34989523
Canik TP9 series, 1911 series, XD series, CZ75 series, PPQ series, VP series, Beretta M9/A1/A2/A3, Steyr M9, S&W M&P9 2.0, Ruger SR series, S&W M&P (1st Gen) series are okay, DON'T buy Remington R9, Taurus PT111, FMK.

You literally cannot go wrong buying a Glock.

>buy not-a-Glock
>order more mags online
>can't find any night sight options under $150
>six months in wishing you'd just bought a damn Glock
Happens all the time, just look at your local armslist with all the people wanting to sell/trade their S&Ws, Rugers, Springfields etc for a Glock 19
>low round count, owned 3 months!
>excellent condition!
>sell or trade+cash for a Glock 19 gen 3 or 4