ITT: How not to carry.

>>34984391
Did he just pop someone and then bail?

>>34984452
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/25/us/charlottesville-protest-police.html

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>>34984519
>nytimes

>>34984391
>saving his kameraden from a flamethrower
>wrong

that first aim was for the kill. the 2nd wasnt. someone is lucky there wasnt one in the chamber.

>>34984519
>That was a gunshot
>YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAH

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>>34984391
>not carrying a rifle
>not double tapping
Was legal though.

>>34984391
>hope he enjoys prison.

he's not a retard like the pepper-nut guy who got arrested after he posted a AMA on reddit from the hospital.

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>>34984391
That was lovely, libtard threatens nonthreatening protester with deadly weapon and is immediately engaged.

>>34984933
>he's not a retard
they're both retards

>>34984937
>shit that 13 year old Jackass re-enactors do
>deadly weapon
Totally an excuse to half-assedly pop off a round in a crowded area
It's a question of proportionality. When they come at you with sticks and stones, then fight back the same way rather than sperging out and risking killing a bystander.
Some of you faggots here are like that one fat autist kid who'd go into a rage and bodyslam people when they threw crumpled up paper balls at the back of his head in class.

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>>34985030
>flame thrower
>sticks and stones

Oh Boy

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HE DIDNT EVEN AIM

AHHHHHHHHHHH

But seriously, he shot and walked away, shouldn't, I don't know, stay and keep the dindu at gun point?

>>34985030
if you don't want to get shot try not to light people on fire

>>34985049
You're telling me you didn't do this shit to your friends growing up?
An actual flamethrower coats its target in burning fuel.

He didn't even hit him.

He yelled 'hey nigger' then shot into a bush and walked away. He was later arrested for shooting within 1000ft of a school.

What a fucking retard.

>>34985106
if it's not a big deal let me find a can of raid and a lighter and we'll see how much you like it

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>>34984391
Its universally legal to shoot anyone with a molotov cocktail in their hands

>>34985106
>ha! you're saying you didn't attempt to light your friend on fire with a homemade flame thrower?
No you fucking psycho I never attempted to murder my friends
>notta real flame thrower, those coat people in the flammable fuel
like how before he had the lighter he was just spraying that one guy? Now I don't know if the contents of that can were flammable by itself, but it could have been. And if you were that man with the gun, would you be able to live with yourself if you chose not to shoot and that guy was lit on fire?

>>34985030
>go into a rage and bodyslam people when they threw crumpled up paper balls at the back of his head in class

lel that was me

I've seen the pic of the fine african american with the torch posted elsewhere and I wondered how he wasn't shot. Now it makes more sense.

>>34984933
>Criminal spraying flammable aerosols onto a crippled man
>Blowing flames toward crippled man covered in flammable spray
>Guy with gun comes to the rescue

I don't see the problem here.

We don't know if there was a round in the chamber or if he was clearing a malfunction. I don't think sticking around for the flamethrower dude and his giant gang of friends is a good idea.

The defender gets a 9/10 from me.

If I knew he was carrying with an empty chamber I would rant that encounter a 5/10.

>>34984391
prison is going to be tough on his pampered ass. he better hope they sell lube at the prison commissary.

>>34985933
Rate*

We need more something/10 ratings in this thread. I see a future filled with encounters like these coming closer and closer. The more we rule on these outcomes the more influence we have over all.

>>34985933
>criminal spraying flammable aerosols onto a crippled man
>blowing flames etc
>guy spergs out and draws
>racks pistol
>fires a round into the deck like a mongoloid
>turns around and walks away like a petulant fucking child
>man with flame thrower looks like a martyr
>guy carrying looks like an idiot

left wins

>but dey has video evuhdense!!!
>the media has evidence
>the media will do what it wants with that evidence

>>34986001
IDK what he was aiming at or what he shot. All I can assume is that he shot at flamethrower guy. Maybe flamethrower guy went for a gun on his ankle...

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>>34985426
they violated the NAP

>>34986174
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/charlottesville-care-worker-neo-nazis-corey-long-flame-thrower-peaceful-protest-virginia-ku-klux-a7894161.html

>>34985030
Shooting fire at someone, let alone into a crowd of people, is aggravated assault (or assault with a deadly weapon/dangerous instrument depending on your state's wording). Using a deadly weapon to defend yourself or others in that situation is justified.

What he can't justify is why he shot into a bush. If you felt your life or the life of another was in danger, why would you shoot at a bush? Warning shots are generally unlawful, and it never looks good when you leave the scene (unless it's unsafe so I guess he could justify that as well, but he should have called police once in a safe location)

But yeah, assuming this was a free state, he could have popped the dude in the head and it would've been justified. There's a chance he could have been prosecuted for reckless endangerment if he hit someone else in the crowd.

>>34986251
Flamethrower wielding attacker
>"I din-do-nuffin!"

Media
>Well you heard him plain as day! He is innocent until proven guilty! It was the Nazis from Germany who invaded the care worker's sidewalk and approached the caring care worker as he pleaded to be left alone.

>>34986483
Idk, while I agree the guy was in the right for drawing on him I don't think anyone would be on his side if he actually killed the guy, it would probably be a huge case and would probably start shit off around the country

>>34986251
>that article
>those comments
i'm so fucking sick of the state of this country and the media. uneducated and uninformed opinions everywhere and if you don't agree it's perfectly fine to call for harassment, intimidation, assault, etc. this shit has gotten so far out of control, i kinda wish these two sides would just have at each other and clean up the fucking gene pool, but there would be too much collateral damage. i'm not hoping for civil war 2.0 but i fear it's not far off.

>>34984391
>tries to shoot someone using a spray deodorant can as a flamethrower with a range of under 2 feet and standing in one spot
>implying that's a lethal weapon
>implying flamethrower guy was even a threat

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>>34986590
The problem with the 'civil war' is that there really isn't anything against the government, it's left wingers and right wingers who hate each other's extremes, but america is a democratic republic where the majority usually elects who they want, unless there is migration of people from state to state that better reflects their personal political alignment it will be community members fighting community members, not the government against a singular anti-government group

>>34986866
it absolutely is a threat. that's the entire point of wielding something like that, to threaten.
not to mention that he'd spent the last several seconds spraying down the dude with the umbrella. if he'd lit that thing any earlier that dude could've had his face on fire. that's a goddamn threat.

>>34986866
>implying shooting flames at people isn't a lethal threat
>implying a 2 foot range is a factor when the guy is 3 feet away
I bet you think you should never shoot someone coming at you with a knife too

>>34986923
Just give them a stern talking to! Surely they are intelligent and can be reasoned with!

>>34984391
>Violent left attacks someone with potentially deadly force
>Is quickly BTFO
I give him a 7/10 because he didn't have a round already chambered, but outside of that he did nothing wrong

>>34986932
you're right, I forgot when in history class the teacher told us how people on flame thrower detail were placed there because they had high test scores and were often pulled from the front lines to hold peace negotiations

>>34986963
Especially the noble and kind negro. Truly dindu nuffin

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>>34984391
this smells of government psyop

>>34986984
I heard they wuz kangz

>>34986955
>but outside of that he did nothing wrong
not according to the police

>>34984391
I feel bad for the guy with the umbrella
>get sprayed down by asshat counterprotester
>has something thrown at him
>counterprotester tries setting him on fire
>guys gun goes off right next to him
>has to yell at some other counterprotester cunt saying the him almost being burnt alive wasn't any reason for that guy shooting his gun

>>34987035
Cool. Police decide guilt now. Seems legit.

His biggest mistake was carrying a .22LR for self defense, at least that's what it sounds like

>>34984391
You know, it's a shitty dituation but antifa was using improvised flame throwers withhair spray and lighters... you could argue that-s a reason to shoot but it looks like a warning shot.

>>34984519
There's some good stuff in here.

>A 25-year-old woman named Kendall, who asked that her last name not be used because she did not want to be targeted, said she had been chanting at the white-power protesters when one of them punched her, bloodying her nose.
>“I moved quickly to the police and said: ‘A man attacked me! Please help me! I need your help. He’s right there!’” she said. “They didn’t move a muscle. Only a few of them had the courage to make eye contact with me.”
>Ézé Amos, a photographer from Nigeria who lives in Charlottesville, had a similar experience, he said, when he moved in for a close-up of a man wearing a T-shirt emblazoned with Adolf Hitler’s face. The man punched the camera, hitting Mr. Amos’s face, he said.
>“This happened right in front of the cops,” Mr. Amos said. “I said, ‘Hey, this man just assaulted me!’ The officer said, ‘Well I didn’t see it.’ I told him, ‘Everybody just saw it!’”
>The officer took down Mr. Amos’s name.
>“I am a black man photographing this. I kept telling myself, ‘If it gets out of hand, the cops will jump in and save me,’” he said. “I saw a white woman get hit, and they did not do anything. That’s when I actually got really scared of the whole thing.”

Now, I don't condone violence outside of defense, really. Yet, how can someone be so confident in themselves that they go to a violent place, get up in people's faces, and immediately go crying to the cops as soon as any tiny thing happens? I've tried in the past to understand this kind of mindset, but I can't. You don't see me going into ghettos wearing a Rolex expecting the cops to protect me from being robbed, that would just be idiotic.

>>34987214
Shitlibs don't think of it as a dangerous place, they just go there for the moral high.

"These guys are nazis! They're bad and I'm good and yelling at them and posting it to social media will show *everyone* how good I am!"

They know good and well it was a peaceful protest, they're the ones who stir that shit up for the endorphin rush.

>>34987269
this

>>34987277
Please refrain from making poor quality posts.

I hope both sides massacre eachother. Then maybe all the gangbangers and poorfag retarded fudds will be gone.

>>34987269
This is mostly accurate
Virtue signalling (and "muh librul freedums") but will still spread their ass for the state as soon as someone really begins to challenge them

>>34985030
It's fitting, because most "white nationalists" look exactly like that kid.

Exhibit A: That faggot with the umbrella

>>34987325
They don't care at all about freedom really. They just want to be left alone to consume HBO and various hipster coffees. Small souled bug people to the core. You can dangle a nazi in front of them and say "This is why we have to restrict your freedom" and they'll cheer for it like what they did when the Daily Stormer got shutdown. A small handful of people now control what websites get to be up and what content is consumed because these people don't have principles at all. Many people say that liberals are like children but at least children eventually grow up. Liberals are eternal babies that just want to be pampered by daddy government forever and they'll let daddy do whatever he wants so long as they get to eat. An entire class of cowards really.

>>34985030
>It's a question of proportionality.

actually it's not

if someone is beating your head in with a stick you can absolutely cap them, faggot

>>34987363
> t. That faggot with the umbrella.

>>34985362
>No you fucking psycho I never attempted to murder my friends
Are you lost?

>>34987379
not an argument

>>34987363
A (((nazi)))
But yeah it's basically a generation of people that will gleefully sacrifice their open freedom in exchange for the removal of ideas that make them uncomfortable, or forcing them to confront reality. The epitome of a kindergarten class brought to full-scale.

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>>34985106
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>>34987385
>having friends

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>>34987390
What's to argue? Nothing I responded to was in any way connected to reality.

Fuck along now.

>>34987413
Oh right I forgot that being told you're a good boy by television and internet personalities actually makes you one and just accepting every moral lesson taught to you by childless women in their thirties in public school makes you a deep and critical thinker, a true philosopher, because those are the ideas the smart people came up with before so no need to reexamine them now or anything. Reality has a liberal bias don't you know? John Oliver told me so.

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>>34987444
You're cute when you're flustered.

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>>34987214
>people are protesting something you oppose
>you go there to counter protest
>nobody is hitting people with bike locks or 2x4s
>some fucking crazy tries to flame thrower someone
>some other guy fires a shot off at the ground near him
>okay this is fucking crazy I'm telling the cops about this
>tell cop that the protest they are supposed to be keeping non violent has flamethrowers and gunfire
>officers just stand around because don't want to support either side
>don't understand why a peacekeeper would not be keeping the peace
plain and simple this is someone with 'police should be the only ones with guns' logic realizing why they should have be able to defend themselves

>>34985049
>Flamethrower
Aren't you guys just the cutest special snowflakes!

>>34987576
>flamethrower: a weapon that sprays out burning fuel

>man was using a lighter and spraying flammable materials at people

*improvised flamethrower
that settle you down?

>>34987576
>WE HAVE TO PROTEST NAZISM AND DRUMPFH GRRRR

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>>34985030
What is abundantly clear from the video is that the guy with the flames lit that up after brown neckbeard white shirt fatty got up ib his face and took a swing. Why he kept the flame going after fatty fucked off is dubious but that flame never got within 3yds of anybody, it just looks close because of the perspective of the video. Flame guy wasnt moving forward either but ill admit he was being an unsafe jackass and deserved to get shot but that shot would have been illegal because no one was imminently in danger and flametard was antagonized. As we know from the retards in Michigan or whereever that wanted to shoot some darkies at a blm march, when you antagonize someone to violence in a nonstandyourground state it undermines your claim tobself defense or even defense of someone else

>>34987673
Christ, dude. Can you type better?

>>34985966
As someone who has taken use of force training but not ccw i think he honestly screwed the pooch by any civilian metric
3/10

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>>34987277
I thought the general dogma was that theyd martyr themselves like retards to prove a point

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>>34987627
Why are you willfully ignoring that the white nationalist got uo in dindu's space screaming and waving his arms? That was obviously what let to the retard lighting the hairspray on fire. Dindu should of been booked for aggrevated assualt and the guy who popped off a round should have got second degree attempted manslaughter or something similar. That improvised torch wouldve taken longer to kill someone than a sharpened stick

>>34987808
>talking to some counter protester who called you a nazi
>'I'm not a nazi, I'm just protecting my freedom of speech'
>counter protester starts spraying something at your face
that doesn't warrant a punch?

>>34984933
>Pepperballs posts on reddit
>Nice shot, Riot Cop posts on 4chan
Makes you think

>>34987808
Yep, those poor innocent bystander counter-protestors.

good shoot, it was a nigger

>>34987673
Nope. You're a fucking nigger. The nigger attacked people with a solvent and then a flamethrower. Period. You're a fucking nigger retard.

>>34984452
no self loaded blanks, wasnt even chambered to begin with

>>34987035
You're a nigger; die.

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>>34987925
Do NOT talk to me.

>>34987808
>That improvised torch wouldve taken longer to kill someone than a sharpened stick

It's still attempted arson / assault with a deadly weapon / attempted murder.

People can die from inhaling the flames. Look it up.

Even in ultraliberal New York you have the right to use deadly force to defend yourself from: attempted murder, rape, robbery, and arson.

>>34987925
wtf I love neo-nazis now

>>34987082
it does sound pretty quiet but there's no way of determining if that was .22LR especially bc cameras have shitty sound recording and loud noises like gunshots are really drowned out, from personal experience 50BMG and .45 ACP sound nearly identical on basic sound recording equipment

>>34987908
I said the flamer deserved to get shot, can you not read? I also explained why it very likely would be argued that absolutely no one was in immediate danger until dumbass drew

>>34987953
Flamer didnt move toward people and never got close enough, after lighting the flame, to harm anybody. Hes still guilty of shit but endangering people doesnt fit unless you count the people to his sides and behind him

>>34988068
You have no say in the law or how it's interpreted. Your opinion, what you think or how you feel doesn't mean a thing and they are right and you are wrong. Maybe that guy should've been holding a sign instead of a makeshift flamethrower if he really was peacefully protesting something.

>>34988304
>Maybe that guy should've been holding a sign instead of a makeshift flamethrower if he really was peacefully protesting something.
No disagreement there
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>>34986866
Do we know what he's shooting? Did they at that moment? Pretty sure they just saw a ball of fire being shot at them. Even if it's just spray it could melt someone's face off. You don't get to shoot fire at people, end of story.

Heh. "It was just a lil flame thrower device." Every, EVERY time we discuss napalm or molotov cocktails on this forum, some guys will start discussing how to make the flames sticky and the heat hotter. At this time, if anyone directs anything with flames toward me I will consider it a lethal assault attempt. How am I supposed to estimate the type of propellant or effective length or likely burn depth?

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>>34989018
>this forum

>>34989018
>forum
Get the fuck out faggot.

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>>34990849


fo·rum
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noun
1.
a place, meeting, or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged.

>>34990868
we dont call it a forum here newfag, lurk for another year before posting again

>>34990886
I'm not even the guy who called it a forum you retard, I'm just saying that technically an imageboard is a type of forum.

>>34990898
lurk more newfag

>>34990886
It is technically a forum, and while it calls itself an image board I've never heard it referred to as such on 4Chan

>>34990913
>t. Newfag

>>34990886
>we
>hes never heard this place referred to as a mongolian animal husbandry forum