CZ

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>>34975973
Get a metal frame cz they don't weigh much more and there not plastic. plus you can change the grips if you don't like them.

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>>34975973
What the fuck are you talking about

>>34975973
>Either they're fragile guns with parts that get worn out fast or they're some of the best handguns ever made.
It's the former, get a Beretta 92 like an adult

>>34975973
>not getting superior sphinx
Y tho

>>34975973
i have a p07. it's okay, i think the single action trigger pull is too light. i like my beretta's more. i would look at the p01. metal frames are kind of more fun to shoot. honestly i'd say get a glock 29 (inb4 10mm poorfag haters) and some sig 10mm ammo or maybe an eaa witness in 10mm.

>>34976168
I had a 29. It was garbage. I gave it away

>>34976185
that's a filthy lie and you know it. you probably didn't oil it, like some fud.

>>34976220
Whatever helps you sleep at night buddy.

>>34976092
What makes them so fragile though?

>>34976242
>fragile

As far as I can tell, they aren't. Don't have much experience with the plastic framed models, but my SP01 (non shadow) is great. Sturdy as a rock and more accurate than I am. Considering one of those custom p01s for carry

>>34976153
Didn't Sphinx go under?

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>>34976468
Nope

p-09 is my favorite pistol and accuracy comparable to 1911 as far as my ability to shoot it.

nogunz here with $800. which cz do i buy?

>>34976185
Why wouldn't you just sell it? Who the hell gives away a gun?

>>34977159
SP-01

>>34976603
That's not a real sphinx, that's a krissphinx.

>>34977249
same thing, different label

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>>34977249
not that guy but whats so bad about kriss? ive been wanting to get a vector for a while now

>>34976092
>Beretta 92 like an adult

You mean like any other department/agency that fell prey to salesmen?

Suck it shill

>>34977159
SP-01 or CZ P-09, both're good shit.

>>34977272
That looks phenomenal in white.

>>34977159
SP-01 shadow was my first handgun purchase and I've never regretted it

>>34976468
Yes. Sphinx Systems and its parent company, Kriss AG, both went bankrupt, and were bought up by Kriss USA.

>>34977159
CZ 75b SA

The greatest single action 9mm ever made.

>>34977272
>>34978059
and like any modern gun company owned/operated in the US, its gonna go to shit because
>political climate induces false scarcity
>outsourcing small parts manufacturing is cheaper
>quality control goes downhill
>"skilled" labor turns out to be "familiar-with-something-related-or-similar-to-the-process" labor
>Americans can't design anything properly anymore because cost cutting measures and shitbirds in the office don't know how things actually work
>said shitbirds hire other shitbirds for business consultations who patch over planned obsolescence type policies.

>>34975973
Truth is;
They dont have good finish on internals.
And at $500-600 right now, they butt up against berretta and glock and those two are pretty good on their overall fit and finish.
In other words, they are guns that work, but are not "pretty" on the inside.

>>34978249
I want one so bad. sucks that they don't fit in 75B holsters. what's the average price on them these days? my LGS had one for $645 but I passed it by.

>>34976603
>supposedly ultra premium version of a CZ75 costing double or even triple
>slide still protrudes from frame

>>34977268
>same thing
Uhh, no. The compacts and especially subcompacts have reliability issues and aren't held to the same accuracy and quality standards that the 3000's were.

Why get a CZ when Jericho 941 exists

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>>34975973
>>34976242
OP, you're an idiot. Let me explain. About 20 years ago, there was a batch of 75B that were released with bad slide stops that fractured easily. CZ-USA recalled all the guns with the bad slide stops and replaced the slide stops for free.

But still to this day, idiots like you continue to perpetuate this myth about CZ,s either having bad slide stops, or that CZ's are fragile.

>>34977159
Save up a little more and get a Shadow.

>>34978249
I beg to differ. The gun in my pic is better than a regular 75 SA. It's a custom 75 SA with a Shadow upper from the CZ Custom Shop.

If you're unaware, the Shadow models are competition models that have slides with no firing pin blocks. Everyone talks about pre-B models having better triggers than B models with the firing pin block. The reason for this is because there is an extra spring connecting the trigger to the firing pin blocks. This is the main reason for complaints about CZ triggers being "gritty". This is also why the competition models do not have firing pin blocks. They don't have the extra spring connecting the trigger to the firing pin block, so their trigger are lighter. If you also have "trigger work" done on it to smooth and lighten the trigger, its even better. The trigger on my custom SA is a little less than a 3lb pull. The CZ Custom Shop has some single action models with a 2lb trigger.

>>34978793
They do fit in 75b .40 holsters though. I got mine for $590, tax and all other fees included. Downside is mine came with a 10 round mag because calicuck.

>>34978793
>>34981030
why wouldn't they fit ?

Am surprised by the amount of Beretta love in this thread.

>>34980469
Source on the recall? I've never seen anything more than it just being a fairly consistent issue.

>>34981101
It uses a different slide than the normal 75b

>>34982621
which shouldn't matter on most holsters

the frame is still a 75b frame

>>34982646
By all means, try it out yourself sometimes if you're unsatisfied. There's holsters out there for the 75b SA anyway so I don't mind it.

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what is /k/'s opinion on the P-10 C?

>>34982818
forgettable striker meme

>>34982853
why is the whole market so obsessed with striker fired polymer guns if its just a meme?

>>34982917
Because Glock is the industry standard and most popular handgun in america, so everyone has to make their own 'not a glock but totally is a glock glock killer'

>>34982646
It doesn't taper at the end like regular 75b slides do so kydex holsters will have problems for sure . IDK about leather ones

>>34983028
But did you ever consider that it might actually be good?

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>>34982818

T A C K D R I V E R

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Picked this up a little while ago and it's much better than the 92FS I used to own. Doesn't feel like a bloated cow and is much more accurate.

>>34975973
i got the p10c as my first handgun and i love it. My dad has a bunch of CZ pistols and never had a problem with any of them

>>34983890
how does it compare to the other CZs in your opinion?

>>34982818
Trigger sucks. But I find basically all striker fired pistols have trash triggers.

>>34983759
They are probably fine, I just don't have any interest to buy any of these not glock glocks. If I want a plain striker fired service pistol, I'd probably buy a glock because of resale value, long term durability and availability of parts. The CZ isn't different enough or cheap enough for me to really care about it. If people like it then great for them.
Only other striker fired gun's that I might be interested in would be a VP9 or P99.

>>34984024
p10 is praised for having an excellent trigger, maybe the best among striker guns except for maybe the PPQ depending on who you ask

>>34984042
Like I said, I don't like basically any striker fired triggers. They all feel like mush.

>>34975973
I have a P-09 with about 3000 rounds through it and it was my first pistol.

It runs great and is fun to shoot, assuming the P-07 is just like it but smaller Id say go for it.

>>34975973
aestetics, and slav magic, and relative oscurity make them very desirable to a certain group of the gun community. we call these people hipster faggots. CZs are in reality a mediocre gun with poor quality control, produced in a dubious fashion, in a part of the world most would consider a shithole.

>>34978947
Got mine for 500$
>>34979239
Cry all you want. I've had zero issues with it and I treat it like shit. So it's whatever

>>34984179
Explain to me the detail of the poor quality control, dubious production, and how the Czech Republic is a shithole.

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>>34984223
no.

>>34978640
Cry more bby. :*

>>34977194
I do. Gave away a sig I had as well because i didn't like it.
Fuck it. It's just material things

>>34979715
Its heavier and has worse ergos. And now that the railess frame safties are unobtanium, bebop larping is off the table too. Question is: why would anyone with 2 braincells to rub together buy one?

>>34982080
If its so consistent how come I've only ever heard it on /k/?

Why does everyone shit on the P10?

>>34984042
Which is doubly-positive because the PPQ is almost too light of a trigger for CC.

>>34980469
CZ's slide stops are still the weak link, though we're talking about replacing it every 5000+ rounds here and it shows signs of needing replacement before complete failure.
Problem is CZ insists on casting them and machining them to size in one piece, while others like Tanfoglio use forged bar welded to the slide release lever, which withstands greater recoil from their 10mm and .38 Super guns without wear.
Why CZ does it this way, I don't know.

>>34984428
Ergos are subjective. Personally I like the lower hump on the Jericho grip. Controls, as far as frame safety models, is the same as a CZ. The weight isn't appreciably different from any other steel CZ.

>>34985210
You're a bad salesman.

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>>34985186
4800.
Show me the signs.

>>34985381
>Buying clones when i have an actual CZ
Why do you hate CZ yet slurp the jizz of its copies?
>get a jericho, get a tanfo, whatever you do dont get a cz
Makes no sense.

>>34980469
>waaah don't judge muh guns because of a terrible batch
While in every pistol thread that's not CZ...
>oh btw don't drop a P320 because it's gonna explode like a Glock hurrrrrr

This is why CZ fuccbois are hated.

>>34985381
Tanfo has some advantages over CZ but they're probably the ugliest CZ clones out there. I like the idea of owning a Tanfo but I could never stomach buying one.

>>34975973
>they're fragile guns with parts that get worn out fast
Some parts wear out quicker than others, but not to a crazy degree. The trigger return spring and slide stop tend to be more likely to break over time than most other designs but it isn't a guarantee and preventative maintenance is required for any gun. Anecdotally speaking a lot of people claim that they tend to suffer more stoppages in general than most more robustly designed comparable firearms but I've never seen a good study that actually proves things definitively one way or the other. It's also true that the design is more sealed then most(harder for dirt to get in) so it may paradoxically actually prove to be more reliable than some designs that are classically considered more reliable than it under certain circumstances. None of these are really a major concern for the average end user.

>or they're some of the best handguns ever made.
Im more in this camp. The reliability of the cz-75 design is adequate that it and it's copies are the most common single pattern of police/military handgun in use in the world iirc. The design is also more ergonomic and soft shooting than most others. When you combine tangible ergonomic benefits with largely intangible reliability "issues" you end up with an overall win in my book. But maybe that's just because im the kind of person who thinks a comfy gun that naturally fits me and that i enjoy practicing with a lot is more important than being OPERATOR GRADE OPERATIONALLY RELIABLE.

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>>34985456
I'd throw down if I was at home. I replaced the stop in my 75 Compact somewhere north of 7k after it started bowing a little bit, but I also put a lot of IMI Surplus 9mm through it, which runs hot.
Tanfoglio says not to use +P or Nato, so caveat emptor - but no issues on my end after switching to heavier recoil springs.
>>34985485
Where have I said that? I like both. Tanfoglio doesn't offer decockers, alloy frames, subcompacts, or (in the US) models without FPBs.
Usually where there's comparable offerings, I prefer the Tanfo equivalent over the CZ.
>>34985561
The railed models are really unfortunate looking. Steel frame without rails look nice.

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>>34978947
They do all seem to consistently have that little overhang. Mine has been great though.

>>34985186
If you're really worried about the slide stops, you can buy a stainless steel slide stop for $5 more than a regular slide stop.

>>34984234
That the anon you replied to, but I don't really get the response. It's a legit complaint because it's a real issue

>>34985582
Even then, it's low-tier compared to CZ, Sphinx, Canik, or IWI. Considering IMI had to get the rights from Tanfo to make the Jericho, it shows there's just an extreme lack of concern for aesthetics at Tanfo.

>>34985856
Low tier how? Have you shot one?
I picked up one of the $300 steel frame basic Tanfos, and it shoots just as well as my 75B, despite being aesthetically handicapped by the rail. I'm firmly of the belief that it's the best value on the market for a new gun right now in terms of what you get for the money.
I have an Elite Limited, which is easily the best shooting gun of my collection - I prefer it over a friend's Sphinx and my own SP-01 Shadow (now sold)
Of your list, the Sphinx is an evolution of the AT84, which it's self was a Tanfoglio design. Modern Sphinxes don't use any Tanfo parts and have diverged in design enough to merit being called more than a badge-engineered Tanfoglio, but the basic design...
Canik just makes unlicensed CZ and Tanfoglio clones. They're good for the money, but not remarkable for anything but price.
IWI, of course, licenses Tanfoglio's design, using a hell of a lot of Tanfo parts at almost double the price.
At the low end with the $300 basic model, my only complaint is the frame is cast, not forged - but for that money, does it matter? At the high end with the Match guns, my only complaint is that EAA sucks as an importer and with CS.

>>34975973
>trigger can be made pretty nice
>metal frame
>popular in action shooting
>internal parts wear out fast
>machining is sloppy
>finish chips
>not very accurate

I bought a Glock instead and don't really regret it. Sure the trigger sucks, but mechanically it's the better made and more accurate gun.

>want to buy first pistol
>looking at CZ75B
>all these fucking words and terms I don't understand
Fuck

>>34975973
CZ is really the best description of a "love it or hate it" brand. If you pick one up and shoot it you'll know immediately which camp you're in.

>>34986153
>low tier how?
aesthetics, what I was talking about in my previous posts

>>34977159
Im getting an SP01 Tac in a few weeks. Gorgeous gun and accurate as fuck.

>>34978787
>giving a nuanced answer
Where the fuck do you think you are? It's literally impossible for a gun to be anything other than irredeemable dogshit barely worth the money you'd get for scrapping it or god's gift to the firearms community.

If you're having a hard time figuring out which is which, take a look at your own firearms collection. Everything you own is inconceivably amazing and everything else is shit, so make sure you let everybody know that from now on.

>>34987342
CZ makes nice guns for reasonable prices

you can't ask much more than that

any brand hating comes from a market too saturated to tolerate diversity without judgement

got a Tristar C100 (CZ PCR copy) with an alloy guiderod instead of CZ plastic. half the price too of the 75

>>34990357
>guide rod
Literally who cares

>>34990700
just saying the cheaper gun has a component made of better material, that's all. your comment is overall unorganoliough.

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>>34991040
>unorganoliough

>>34990700

I think there was an actual reason for engineers using a polymer guide rod instead of a metal or alloy. I forget if it had something to do with friction or flexibility. I got my 75B for like $550 and I like it. Feels solid, shoots well, and I've never had a malfunction through the 700 rounds it has eaten since May. Only complaint is that sights are fixed and mine requires a bit of a 6 oclock hold.

>>34976603
oh wow hipoint made a cz

>>34991177
I'm not them, but this is my thought
>guide rod doesn't support anything, it does not need to be sturdy, gun can theoretically even function without it
>recoil springs should be checked regularly anyways, guide rod can be equally replaceable
>metal-on-metal grinding could theoretically wear out both parts faster
>lighter dongus hanging past trigger = better balance
Polymer guide rods are the best choice.

In my experience, CZ's are fine. The internal finishing work leaves a lot to be desired, but it's really a cosmetic non-issue because their solid, reliable shooters.

The low profile slide kind of sucks if you're the type who strokes on a reload. If you're the type who hit's the slide lock, that's a non issue. Never heard of slide stops failing until now. Not saying that it's not an issue.

Trigger kind of sucks, but once you've shot a USP in DA you find out that things could be a lot worse.

CZ's used to be the absolute best value for NIB, defensive pistols. However, since about 2010, people have caught on, prices have gone up, and, CZ has kept prices slightly elevated because people keep buying.

And for all of the others worried about the polymer guide rods; the spring will probably need to be replaced before the guide rod fails. When you need a new spring, just buy a guide rod along with it, it's about 3-5 bucks from CZ's webstore.

>>34991406
>Trigger kind of sucks
don't generalize

if you get the shit model with the intended heavy DA/SA trigger then you get what you want

SAO CZ triggers are about the best triggers out there on the market

>>34991454

I've shot the base 75 model, and the P-01.
Both a bit heavy and gritty in DA. SA is a bit long, but surprisingly smooth.

I was trying to keep it general. But if you want to get specific, yes, some models have great triggers.

Fingerfucked an SP-01 Phantom in the store one time. That trigger was nice.

I've never shot an Omega trigger, but I hear good things.

>>34985580

>most common single pattern of police/military handgun in use in the world

This is why people hate CZ.

CZ shills are everything people accuse glock shills of being minus the fact that glock actually has contracts to have militaries and departments buy their guns.

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>>34991481
try a proper SAO CZ model

like the CZ 75B SA
or one of the Tactical Sport models

2lbs triggers without any pickup or pre-travel
fucking amazing


or simply swap the springs for the competition springs and viola you have a nice DA/SA gun

pic related, the ugly ass tigerstripe painted one has a 650g trigger, which is roughly 1.4lbs

>>34991547

>light strikes 2: electric boogaloo

A good trigger is not necessarily its pull weight.

>>34991622
you are certainly a CZ expert

do tell about my light strikes

>>34991636

>imma adjust muh trigger for 1.5 lbs because im a tard that thinks lighter trigger = better trigger and not connect that reducing the hammer spring weight is a premier methid of cutting trigger weight and may not detonate primers of certain brands of ammo

Go play with your CZ.

Maybe someone else who already memed a CZ will believe you when you try to convince yourself how good it is.

CZ, guns for people who dont know what they want besides that theyre too risk averse to put money down on a gun GOOD at something.

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>>34975973
CZ are trash for plebs. The reason you hear so much praise is because poorfags eat dog food for a month so they can spend their last shekels for a piece of memery. Buy HK if you want a real gun.

>>34991677
>he doesn't know that SAO CZ models come with 2lbs triggers from the factory
>he doesn't know about springs setting and getting weaker over time
>gun is 15 years old and has god knows how many rounds through it
>2lbs went down to 1.4lbs all on their own

but yeah, call me the idiot

>>34991704
>mad that a budget gun is every bit as good as his outdated garbage

>>34991704
shilling tripfag

>>34991543
but that's right tho

>>34984245
You gave away a $1,000 handgun? Can I be your friend? I like gifts.

So I'm about to buy a CZ75 for my first pistol, but haven't really looked into aftermarket parts, are there any must haves? Also what's a good holster for CC?

>>34992277
> are there any must haves
Not for that brand in particular. I'd keep the trigger stock for the first 1000 or so rounds before sending it off for trigger work if you decide it's needed, they can start out pretty rough but usually become ok over time.

A maglula or other speed loader is always a good idea if you don't already own one. Reloading mags is the worst part of the range trip even when you haven't done it some many times that your fingers hurt.

Sights are adequate, though if you're buying the base model then night sights might be nice, particularly if the gun is for defensive use.

If you're the paranoid type then a spare TRS, slide stop pin, and your other typical wear parts wouldn't be a poor choice.

IMHO the best aftermarket part for a CZ is the kadet slide. Just got one for my SP01 and it's my favorite .22 i've owned so far. Nothing like thousands of rounds of fiscally guilt free plinking for improving ones fundamentals. Shame they run ~360-380, but they are pretty nice.

>>34992073
new thread

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>>34991704
>Attention-whore who worships pedophile is angry that his overpriced handgun performs worse then one that costs $300 less

>>34992393
Oh, forgot about the holster.

Personally i have experience with and like Garrett industries(pricey but nice), comptac, and to a lesser extent crossbreed. Haven't bought a clinger yet but they'll likely be my next choice once they start making a no print wonder for the Sp01. Heard good things about them.

Word from the wise, alien gear is ok tier. They really shine in that their shell exchange program means you can get one base holster and easily switch it between different guns. That being said i've found some of their molds to be off enough that they are borderline dangerous with some guns. Personally would steer clear and save my shekels. Of course what'll work best for you will depend on your preferences, body type, and carry position.

>>34992393
>>34992448
Thank you for the info anon..

>paranoid type then a spare TRS
what is that?

also is the Kadet just a .22lr conversion kit?

>>34992914
Not him but yes. The kadet is a conversion slide think it comes with mags too

>>34993350
that's pretty sweet

looks spendy, looks like something I'd get when I was done upgrading everythingI already though

>>34975973
Would a CZ 75TS in .40 be a good choice for IPSC Standard Division?

>>34991221
Jelly poorfag detected :^)

>>34993399
Its worth it monetarily on what you'd spend in ammo practicing. The only reason i don't have one is that it doesn't work on RAMIs

>>34993424
I can't imagine any reason that it wouldnt be. Pretty sure thats exactly what it was built for.

>>34992393
What's the chance of the kadet kit working on a gun with a 13# mainspring?

>>34976168
>trigger pull too light
>muh 10mm
>muh poorfags
Have any other dank memes you can randomly string together for no reason?

>>34978249
>the only single action 9mm ever made
FTFY
No, 9mm 1911's don't count

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>>34983784
>>34982818
I have a P10C. I love it. Fantastic pistol.Eats everything, even that shit Freedom Munitions ammo. I carry it regularly with Hornady American Gunner +P. I will be getting an Inforce APL-C for it this week too.

>>34995164
Pretty sure the kadet kit comes with its own spring and guide rod.

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before I crash can anyone tell me anything else about the dangers of getting an Omega over a 75B? Something that wouldn't be on the specs sheet on the CZ website?

>>34995294
the apl-c's light head/twist gets loose after 100 or so rounds. I guess it's fine for SD since I'm not going to be shooting 100+ rounds in a home invasion, and the light works fine when re-tightened, but it does bother me and debating whether to blue loctite it.