Is there a cooler looking assault rifle than this? I think not.

>>34973157
It's literally the battle rifle from Halo

>>34973157
AR-18

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>>34973157

>bullpup
>cool looking

>>34973157
What is it?

>>34973248
Look at this fag

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>>34973157

>>34973248
Shut up, Karl

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>>34973157
What was this one called again?

>>34973463
FAMAS

It sucks.

>>34973239
polymer garbage

>>34973157
Is that a Famas?

>>34973157
bullpups are retarded

>>34973766
Explain why.

>>34973798
Catastrophic failure of weapon = Goodbye to your face

>>34973811
Seems too unlikely to ever be a concern.

>>34973821
It's never a problem until it is.

It only has to happen once.

>>34973824
You could as well be walking around with a helmet at all times in case a meteor falls on your head. I mean yeah it's possible, but to most people it's not so likely that you'd ever consider it necessary to take preventive measures against.

>>34973831
Difference is, it would never happen with a standard rifle, even if it did blow up in your hands it wouldn't be right next to your face.

Balance between hands is also more intuitive than balance between hands and the shoulder.

Bullpups are just a meme for anything but clearing tiny buildings of ragheads.

What's the issue with the FAMAS? Everyone just says it sucks without any detailed reason why. Is it the action? The ergonomics? The quality control? What's the issue?

>>34973383
/thread

>>34973856
>Difference is, it would never happen with a standard rifle, even if it did blow up in your hands it wouldn't be right next to your face.
Negligible when considering the benefits of a bullpup system.
>Balance between hands is also more intuitive than balance between hands and the shoulder.
Sounds like a personal thing.
>Bullpups are just a meme for anything but clearing tiny buildings of ragheads.
Reducing overall weight/length and moving the centre of balance towards the pivot point are objective advantages.

>>34973871
>What's the issue with the FAMAS?
They fixed it mostly with the G2 model. It's being replaced by the HK 416 though.

>>34973882
Whatever faggot, go buy your gay ass meme rifle then. No one really cares.

But they will never be standard issue because of the objective fact that they are retarded.
You can be a special snowflake retard with your special snowflake retard gun.

>>34973908
They're already standard issue in plenty of armed forces.

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>>34973239
Was about to post this.

>>34973917
Not in the only one that matters.

>>34973924
You mean the only one that just selected a handgun that goes off when dropped?

>>34973931
Seems too unlikely to ever be a concern.

>>34973943
Except troops drop firearms far more than they experience catastrophic malfunctions in the chamber.

>>34973955
You could as well be walking around with a helmet at all times in case a meteor falls on your head. I mean yeah it's possible, but to most people it's not so likely that you'd ever consider it necessary to take preventive measures against.

>>34973965
So you're now openly admitting that you don't have an argument?

>>34973943
wrong.

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>>34973969
Kinda retarded isn't it?
When people refuse to accept that their weapon of choice might actually not be that great?

You a Glock owner?

>So you're now openly admitting that you don't have an argument?
No but you just did lmao

>>34973984
So you were just baiting all along, gotcha.

>>34973995
>When someone repeats my arguments back at me verbatim in a completely relevant way it's baiting
So you were just baiting all along, gotcha.

I've seen more intellectual honest debates in /x/

Get a room, fags

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>>34973157

>>34973157
G36 is sexy

>>34973239
Looks like the guns from killzone

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How can other rifles even compete?

>>34973943
Ok now you've gone full retard. I like standard rifles n US o A, but this is stupid.

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>>34973811
Not really, unless you stuffed too hot a load or the wrong round in it.

>>34973824
So you mean you don't know if it has happened.

>>34973856
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWygoxV_ApM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVXeNC15AlQ

>Balance between hands is also more intuitive than balance between hands and the shoulder

So bullpups are fine anyhow.

>Bullpups are just a meme for anything but clearing tiny buildings of ragheads.
Used for decades by various major powers.

>>34973908
>no one cares
Except major industrial powers who aren't as retarded as you

>never standard issue
>standard issues in major European and US ally powers

>special snowflake gun
>common ass and could be found alongside ARs in a lot of gun shops

>>34973924
>using fallacies to make an argument now

>>34973943
>unlikely
>numerous case of officers firing off a cap into their leg

>>34973965
>using your opponent's argument in a case that doesn't apply since it happens far more frequently than being hit by a space rock

>>>34973984
>acts like standard rifle is ubermench of guns
>proceeds to go off topic about glocks

>>34974006
>essentially saying i know you are but what i am

Funny thing is, ya could've said shit like.
>bullpup tend to have shit triggers
>bullpups don't have adjustable stocks
>bullpups can be awkward with large capxity magazines
>bullpups awkward to reload while laying down
>bullpups tend to have not so great MOA

But no, instead you relegate yourself to being an autistic 8 year old. Pat yourself on the back.

>>34976321
Whenever I see this I think of someone putting a tiny dick into a used vag. Can't even touch the sides.

>assault rifle

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make way for the chink overlord

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>>34973157
The HK53K

>surrender sticks

>>34973943

>>34973824

>>34973239
There's something wonderful about the variant with the carry handle. France should have picked these tee bee aych

>>34979292
Nowadays you buy either from FN or H&K. Croat space gun never stood a chance.

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>famas is kike shit
>Its made buy baguette eating fucks
>the only reason people like its because its good in video games
>the design just screams 90's "whoa look at how futuristic we are" even though it was made in the 1970 because muh bullpubs
>it was made when the non-functioning SA-80 was made, The famas was (is) equally bad
>its not russian

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>>34979560
>its no russian
slavboos out

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>>34979765
kvas

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>>34979765
Stalin was the only good leader of the USSR

t. never handled a Famas in my life

kys

>>34973908
>never be standard issue
Irrelevant. I'm not a military; it's sensible for me, having different needs and goals, to purchase arms which are not standard issue. "Is it standard issue?" is a retarded criterion for deciding if a gun is worth buying.

>>34973821
it is.
thanks to the famas 2 generations of french soldiers have a worse hearing from their shooting side. Because the only thing between the breech (which is opened on both sides to allow the gun to be ambidextrous with a swap of the ejector) and their ear is a thin cover of shitty plastic which not only isn't a really effective barrier against soundwaves (particularly in burst fire) but also has the habit to pop out inadvertently. Ooopsie.

Now when a catastrophic failure happens, which is hopefully vey rare, this plastic cover sometimes breaks under debris and the like. Many cheeks have been cracked open in this situation.

Also don't ever think about firing from your opposite shoudler while resting your cheek on the cross just above the ejector.

>>34981806
Lies and slander.

>>34973157
That's not even the best looking bullpup I've ever seen.

>>34981806
>thanks to the famas 2 generations of french soldiers have a worse hearing from their shooting side. Because the only thing between the breech (which is opened on both sides to allow the gun to be ambidextrous with a swap of the ejector) and their ear is a thin cover of shitty plastic which not only isn't a really effective barrier against soundwaves (particularly in burst fire) but also has the habit to pop out inadvertently. Ooopsie.

I'm a french soldier, and wtf am I reading? What are anti noise plug? Brust fire? The thing we never use, along with full retard mod? Thin cover in shitty plastic? Wellp, we didn't shoot the same weapon then.

>>Now when a catastrophic failure happens, which is hopefully vey rare, this plastic cover sometimes breaks under debris and the like. Many cheeks have been cracked open in this situation.

>>catastrophic failure happening.
>>Happen when user is going full retard "Let's shoot a fuckton ammo, which turn the barrel blue!

>>Also don't ever think about firing from your opposite shoudler while resting your cheek on the cross just above the ejector.

Don't need to think about it since we already do it in urban warfare, and if you're really girly, use the fireproof balaclava that you recieve when you enlist.

>>34980247
>genociding millions if not billions of your population
>when his son got captured in ww2, the nazis offered a trade but stalin declined, killing his son
oh yeah stalin was a real good guy

>>34979010
Yeah dick will really stretch out something designed to pop out babies

>>34983291
>I'm a french soldier
that's neat

>>34973157
When are the french gonna realease these for the consumer market?

>>34979560
>sks' big brother

>>34980041
I love my mak. I hate to admit this, but I love it as much, if not more so, than my browning hi power.

It pains me to say this, but besides the single stack, its such a wonderful gun.

>>34983872
Never, because the French arms industry is a bunch of fuckfaces.

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>>34983291
Which regiment ?

>>34973871
to much small parts that break easily, F1 models also used fiberglass carry handle which cracked a lot after basic military use and could make cuts on your hand if you didn't weared gloves, also FAMAS is general used to have good mags ( made by St etienne ) now new mags are made in portugal and if you load them with more than 20 rounds they just drop by themselves, there's also an other frequent problem wit hthe charging handle, when used too much ( again after 4 years of basic military use ) a small part of it break and make your gun completely unusable

only 10% of those issues are fixed with G2, none are fixed with the "VALO" ( the famas in BF3 ) and even more issue with FELIN

t.FAMAS owner and friend with ex-FFL armorer

>>34984066
>even more issues are created
woopsy

>>34978967
This,
this anon is one of the most retarded 4chan user I've ever seen.

t. Someone actually retarded

>>34984005

Why should I give my regiment? I'll just say I'm a combat engineer.

>>34984143
Interesting, joining an infantry regiment very soon, can't wait. Couldn't join St Maixent because "no places in infantry left"..

>>34973157
>surrender sticks.
I like AR15 and AK/tavors but this is pushing it.

>>34984272

They deny you saint maixent because there wasn't any place for sergent in infantry?

Well, sorry to say it, but they give you a crapy excuse...

When going to saint maixent, you only choose which arme you'll go at the end of the program.

That say, good luck for you in infantry, I wouldn't do their job, not after seeing what they do in OPEX, and in France...

>>34979210
>When you need to set someone on fire and sprinkle them with walking speed .22 boolits

>>34983780
I said leader, not person

>>34984286
>le surrender joke
Comedy gold/10

>>34983995
There is no French small arms industries anymore. Vernay-Sauvignon (who are slowly dying) proposed a improved bullpup Galil project, French army refused to examine it because "small companies can't compete".
>mfw they prefered to let the last French gun company die and buy GERMAN M4 mutts than taking a small risk and reviving it

Thanks Chirac
Thanks Hollande

>>34984837
>Thanks Chirac
>Thanks Hollande

You gotta thanx mitterand, chirac and Jospin for this "Dividende de la paix"

Also, some times... It's better tobuy something that work, than something "national", juste because it's made in your country, but is shitty.

>>34984612
Relax froggie, we're all friends here

>>34984889
Chirac let (it was a choice, as the end of military service) the closure of the MAS happen. "Cold war is over, the USA rule the world, what could go wrong ? If shit happens, better have nukes than soldiers."
Then 9/11, Afghanistan...
>end of ammo stock
>steel-cased high quality special ammunition is required for FAMAS, tears brass cases apart often due to gas return
>morons just buy steel-cased ammo abroad
>shitty ammo
>whycantwehitatargetat200m.wtf
>French army ends up buying special ammo (could be a gold bullet at that price)
>Shit happens in Mali, then in France
>Ammo so fucking expensive, before MAS was producing the snowflake ammo at fair price.
>"We need to replace the FAMAS"

>>34985105
Let's not forget the price of spare parts after MAS closure.

3 Famas firing pins = 1 brand new HK417

>>34973831
>implyiny he doesn't already walk around with a helmet on for other reasons

I think AUGs look cooler,
hey just my opinion

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>>34983291
>I'm a french soldier, and wtf am I reading? What are anti noise plug? Brust fire? The thing we never use, along with full retard mod? Thin cover in shitty plastic? Wellp, we didn't shoot the same weapon then.
Once upon a time, the anti noise plugs were shitty. Ask the service de santé des armées, they will tell you the rest of the story. Ou pas...
Once upon a time, burst fire and full auto fire were taught.
Once upon a time, ISTC was called "instruction du tireur"
Once upon a time, the little plastic cap had the wrong habit of poping out and trainees to get grilled alive by their instructors when it happened.

>Don't need to think about it since we already do it in urban warfare, and if you're really girly, use the fireproof balaclava that you recieve when you enlist.
Thanks for proving my point. Use a fireproof balaclava to be able to do a shoulder swap. Great rifle.
Putain... There are reasons why the bullpup was scrapped in favor of something else and this is one of them.
Try your manly thing under very hot conditions after emptying two mags and making sure a big load of brass cases directly ends up on your face, cheeks, neck, and tell us how it went.
Pic very related.

>>34984066
Aaaah un ancien. Salutations. Also what you said.
Fuck this FELIN bullshit. SAGEM did such a shitjob, what were they thinking when they chose this sort of plastic ?

>>34984837
It's Verney-Carron. And they finally awaken and are proposing an AR10 for the replacement of the FRF2. No one know for sure if it's manufactured by VC or just assembled from part kits though.

To think these guys never ever put a foot in the military small arms industry and tried to push for a shitty galil in 5.56 for the AIF contract out of the blue while it's clearly not their job... It was both hilarious and sad.

>>34985229
>Verney-Carron FAST bullshit

They should have tried a prototype though. Just to avoid people bitching about it. Who knows ?

>>34985229
>Verney-Carron (shotgun makers) doing a Galil

Colt manages to build M4s. And Colt is basically one of the worst gun companies of this century.