Would it be possible to make functional bulletproof plate armor?

>>34968584
ar500

nah itd be too heavy

>>34968584
Those engravings give no tactical advantage whatsoever

>>34968595
by how much?

>>34968624
about 3.50

>>34968615
It fills poorfags like you with a feeling of existential dread at the realization that you will never be so fabulous while killing people.

>>34968664
But that was some fancy shooting. You're pretty good.

>>34968615
Kek
>>34968633
Kek
>>34968673
Kek

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>>34968664
newfag detected

>>34968584
Maybe. What grade of bullet proof should be considered?
Stuff like
>http://theweek.com/articles/470303/bulletproof-super-material-thats-paperthin
Is constantly in the works. Granted, the article is full of BS, but as material science and manufacturing techniques are developed, interesting things happen.

>>34968624
This plate weights almost 5lbs, I'd imagine the spall coating is a lb at least. So a plate that size is 4lbs, imagine that by at least 10x to cover your whole upper half. Now imagine the neck/helm and lower half as well.

https://www.ar500armor.com/ar500-armor-body-armor/level-iiia-body-armor/ar500-armor-lightweight-level-iiia-patented-asc-curved-plate-10-x12-build-up-coat.html

>>34968615
but that WAS some fancy blocking, you're pretty good

>>34968664
Are you an agent of the LaLiLuLeLo? I WANT THE LIES TO END NOW

>>34968584
Currently? No. Or at best, it would be ludicrously expensive and cumbersome without some form of additional articulation, most likely an exoskeleton of some description.

Ideally, you'd want the plating to deflect, rather than absorb, much for the same reason breastplates were slightly ridged. Maybe ceramic plating arranged in a harsh polygonal pattern.

tl;dr You want to stuff a vest underneath your LARPing gear, enjoy your heatstroke and/or cardiac arrest. Modern equivalent would make you look like a heavily armed LEGO.

>>34968615
Shock and awe in melee fighting certainly gives advantages

Especially when fighting smelly peasants

>>34968714
>Modern equivalent would make you look like a heavily armed LEGO.
kek

Yeah it's called Dragon Skin, I have a set in size XL with the groin, arms and neck protector, shit weighs 55lbs and is heavy as fuck.

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don't forget the camo

>>3496884
TACTICAL PLATE

>>34968843
>muffled deus vult in the distance

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>>34968843
that looks fucken awesome

>>34968791
So, it has the 15-16 century problem.

>>34968760
Especially when you can hardly make it to 70 years.

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no chance das raysis

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>>34969289
ooops wrong one

>>34969281

The problem with muskets is protecting the horse, not the rider. People seem to think that 55lbs of frontal armour isn't enough to stop a musket for some reason when the fact was that it was perfectly capable. The issue was that while the rider was immune to the musket, the horse couldn't be fully protected and thus became a liability since no amount of armour grade steel is going to protect you when you get thrown head first to the ground when your horse gets shot.

The benefit of a musket was it's easier to train a monkey to fire a tube that you pour powder and a metal ball in that doubles as a spear in a pinch than it is to teach the same monkey how to use a longbow or get him to reliably notch a western style crossbow at the same rate.

>>34969302
Muskets, sorry, handgonnes always had better penetration than crossbows or bows though, which was one of the reason why they became relatively widespread by 1400.

I remember reading a blog/site of some guy who was collecting and researching early firearms and he actually did steel penetration test with his handgonne replica(firing more or less historically accurate load at plate that was stronger than what was normally used for armour back in the times) and it generally passed through stuff that was 15th/16th century tier thick.

>>34968624
Full plates were mostly of 1.5mm steel and weighted around 20-30 kg. To stop bullets you need 6mm steel. So it would be 80-120 kgs.

>>34968615
Thing is modern soldiers are dregs of the society. Low life. Lowest bidder. Knightly class was opposite. They were absolute top of everything. Imaging Obama, Trump or Trudeau riding in combat to personally slay enemies with teh swords. They would be packing amours costing extra millions just for bling
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COAIQPsgZWY

>>34969295
Why the fuck is there a Jaegermeister Logo on the Armour ?

>>34968843
quick, someone give him NVGs

>>34969356
>Thing is modern soldiers are dregs of the society. Low life. Lowest bidder.

Confirmed neverserved fantasytard.

Knights had money and like every smart gear vendor, their armorers made tactiqueer gear for them! Armorers didn't work for free, they were skilled tradesmen and adding decoration added profit.

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>>34969383
If you watch lection above you would find great point about servicemen and levels of tactiqueer. When Tobias compares helmet of city militiaman and knightly helmet. Militia helmet is painted, has face drawn on it, bubbas want to be cool too! But everything about this is cheap and lowlife. Shape of the helmet is half finished and painting costed nowhere close to polish. Knightly helmets is sculpted around head's shape and has finish (polish) that inflates price x5 with no practical benefits except bling. This is the differences between classes. It is like some american redneck car "tuning" with huge rims on 20- years old Camry, plastic spoilers bought in china and "go fasta" racing stripes vs German supercar.

>>34969356
>Thing is modern soldiers are dregs of the society. Low life.
Truer words... what a fucking let down the military was when I was in, and it 9001x worse now.

>>34969383
tranny lover.

>>34968584
If it was a mixture of hard and soft armors, honestly im thinking you could actually do it
Just for mounted troops only
Door gunners and shit, emplacement gunners, ect.
Plate armor was mostly given to men on horseback for a reason.

>>34968633
God DAMN you, Monstah.

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>>34968584
yes and it has been done

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For the sake of aesthetics, I wish they could redesign the deltoid armor on the IOTV. The current shape looks like a grocery bag.

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>>34969356
It's cute when you people say things that are categorically false.

"Knight" for most of history just referred to an armored horseman. They had expensive shit because they needed it to survive and they wanted to be recognized in battle for social advancement.

>>34968615

Swag gives a +5 bonus to fighter morale.

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>>34968584
Could you make it with angles so that it would deflect bullets or would it just pierce through it anyways?

>>34972009
Bullets tend to come from a lot of angles.

>>34968686
damn, 5 lbs is a really lightweight plate...

>>34968586
>>34968686
>hardened steel
Fools, Titanium alloys exist.

>>34971909
If you had enough money for a full suit of armor then you were highborn

>>34972103
and its bullet resistant?

>>34968615
By being so rich looking people want to take you prisoner rather than slit your throat.

>>34968584
Has already been done. It was abit of a thing at the beginning of the English Civil war. There were units of horsemen with expensive soft-iron armour that could withstand the impact of lead musket shot. But they were incredibly heavy compared to steel armour, due to being soft iron, you needed alot of it. It did work, but was abandoned after the early stages of the conflict due to the cost and weight.

But it did work.

>>34972105
Or you inherited it, or you were given it by a feudal lord in exchange for a vow of service, or you assembled it piece by piece over several years. Even then, full plate mail only existed for a couple hundred years before organized state armies were mass producing patterns of standard armor for their troops. Even before that, lords would still have stores of mail for their fighting men, because it's economical for footmen to survive.

The same shit happened in the Enlightenment-era navies of Europe, where junior officers often went into debt to buy themselves tailored uniforms and equipment.

The whole thing was a lot more fluid than "only the richest men in the kingdom wore armor".

>>34972103
Titanium isn't particularity better at stopping bullets.

>>34972053
>>34968686

That plate is pistol rated only.

>>34968584
Some cunts in Australia did it in the 1880s, but the police only had revolvers.

To do it nowdays to resist rifle rounds would probably be too heavy.

>>34972233
How about this?

https://www.ar500armor.com/ar500-armor-body-armor/ar500-armor-level-iv-composite-body-armor-10x12-9294.html

If you had a suit made of composite armor, it might be barely light enough to walk around in.

>>34971909
This is why i specifically wrote knightly class to emphasis deference between cavalrymen and noble cavalrymen who belong to social class of landlords (top 1% of society). In modern terms in US this would be households with > $400000 of annual income, and for them your middle class is low life. Now you don't see people from such families on the battlefield in combat roles. This is the key difference between social institution of modern and medieval times.

>>34972275
You keep saying "knight" as if it had some strong class connotation in the period. A knight was just an armored horseman who pledged fealty to a lord. Any moderately stable merchant could sell off his property and buy enough equipment to be considered a knight, they weren't all noblemen with sprawling estates and first name contact with the Pope.

A knight for the most part was a fucker with a horse and a hammer.

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>>34972326
>You keep saying "knight"
This is where you wrong. I don't. Confirm the record.

P.S. For Britain Knight specifically meant person who was accepted in knighthood (knighted), it was a title with associated social and economical privileges.

>>34968584
Nothing is bulletproof anon the best is ar500 however it can be penetrated easy by 7.62x51mm AP ammo, there are cremanic plates that can stop up to 30-06 AP but they deterrate very quickly even against pistol calibers. So unless you put one in AR500 on a mechanized power frame what you are asking for is impossible.

>>34972408
That's what it became. Until Henry II it was just a military denotation to show where the guy was in the order of battle.

>>34968595

5mm Titanium wouldn't be too heavy, and would stop most common calibres (not .50 BMG though).

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>>34968584
Can a 20-gauge EN45 carbon steel kite shield stop pistol rounds?

>>34972473
To be fair nothing stops a .50 BMG AP round except for tanks and heavily armored APCs

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>>34968584
Probably not unless you got ridiculous with your materials and engineering and even then anything that a person can reasonably wear can still be defeated by the right things. I could maybe see something in this vein being practical for certain SWAT applications where plebs are probably just using whatever basic bitch ammo they got at Walmart but even then it seems like things could go tits up if they ran into Fuddzilla and ate some solid copper DoubleTap .454 from an 8" Redhawk.

I assume you're talking about armor that can defeat modern firearms because plate was pretty good at defeating firearms until relatively recently.

>>34968673
Ayyyyy

>>34972473
5mm might not stop a 7.62mm NATO.

>>34972574
Only one way to find out. But I'm pretty sure 9mm would cut through that like butter.

>>34972574
>1mm thick
Fuck no.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3fBkNIROg4

>>34968615
Maybe he's planning on auctioning it as a collector's item

>>34972473
Soviet B12B/B13 vest had 6.5mm steel or 9.5mm titan. Rated for 5.45 7N6 point blank, 7.62 LPS at 100 meters.

ITT: people don't realize fitted armor is largely self-supporting.

>>34972450
Wrong, medieval armies had men at arms who were equipped like knights but were not knights.

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>>34972125
>>34972214
>>34972587
Titanium ALLOYS
Pure titanium sheets don't stop pointy bullets, not enough sheer strength.

However DARPA and the US Army have been using some fancy Ti-alloys to great success.
The M1A3 is rumored to be utilizing more Ti to meet the weight reduction goals.

>>34973021
PS: Should have added that these weight reductions caused no reductions in protection of the M1A2, but enhanced it.

>>34973021
>>34973057
It that's the case, it might be neat to see what a suit of titanium armor could do. But for this case, it seems to be that most of these titanium replacements aren't meant to stop bullets, but rather shrapnel. Which is a bit different than stopping a bullet.

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>>34971880
The sides aren't tailored to his body, they need to be flattened down so it looks right. But yeah, maybe offer the troops stronger shoulder pads (maybe make it out of a lighter material that still gets the job done?) that just so happen act like pauldrons.

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>>34975047
They make them. Level III polyethylene, I think.

>>34968843
>get a loud speaker
>get a bunch of other guys to tag along
>hide in the forest
>when enemy comes along, fire one warning shot and then yell "Ni!"
>proclaim you are the knights who say Ni! and that they will not leave this place alive unless they get you a nice shrubbery
>once they present shrubbery, get someone to launch a herring at them and tell them they must cut down one of the trees with it

>>34975364
Yee. It looks gud. Polyethylene isn't that heavy, so maybe a bit more for level IV or too unpractical?

>>34976016
They claim they are 1 pound a piece, so if you were willing to accept more weight you could probably make it work.

>>34968584
>Would it be possible to make functional bulletproof plate armor?
>>34968584
>>34968584

From ceramics yes but it would be relatively fragile and costly. Also Kelly and half ton of AR500 is not an answer

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Why not super magnets to deflect bullets?

>>34976746
Lead's not magnetic

>>34976766
Everything's magnetic with a strong enough magnet, Anon. That's how MRIs work.

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>>34977254

>>34977317
>>34977254
With a strong enough magnetic field, everything is affected. No exactly attracted like ferrous metals. But an effect nonetheless

>>34972856
The two words were effectively interchangeable, with the only distinction being that one was mounted on a horse and the other fought on foot, but I think the english preferred to have their heavily armored kings, nobles, and freemen to fight on foot instead of charging in on a horse. So again, it's an organizational term used for planning battles.

>>34977367
>The point
>Your head
Yes Anon technically everything is magnetic. If you take everything to a ridiculous extreme then everything's possible and nobody's ever wrong.

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Historically? Sure, the early guns weren't actually that great, as people already mentioned, although still not something you'd bet your life on, and spalling might be an issue.

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>>34977694
More modern? Kind of, it will be retardetly heavy, and you can at best hope for protection against weak cartridges like most pistols, rifles would probably go through like it's nothing, though.

>>34977529
>one was mounted on a horse and the other fought on foot,
Wrong.

>>34972574

Most likely not. If you had the right mix of materials, maybe. The US had a steel vanadium alloy that would stop a .45 point blank, but it was 18ga.

>>34977712
Look up Brewster body armor u basic bitch

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>>34977529
>the only distinction being that one was mounted on a horse and the other fought on foot