Handgun Newbie Advice

>>34963692
Go to a gunstore and fingerfuck all the ones on your list. Bonus points if they let you rent guns and shoot them. Pick the one that best fits in your hand.

>>34963692
Check out the USP series. They take a little getting used to but for a first gun that shouldn't be an issue because you won't have to retrain. The p30 is really nice too but I like the USP for looks more.

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>>34963692
VP9 has a magazine rebate right now. You get 4 free mags.

https://hk-usa.com/freemagazines/

Plus it comes in a sexy fighter jet grey. Get VP9

>>34963692
Shit choices. Bet options are FNS 9 or CZ p10c

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>>34963698
This.

OP most of the guns you listed are very similar so you seem to mostly know what you want which puts you ahead of most people who ask that question. Go feel some yourself and make the choice based on that. See if you can reach the controls, how the grip feels, whether you have trouble racking the slide, etc. Ergonomics.

>>34963721
Walther also has a $100 rebate and I believe S&W has a magazine rebate as well. That shouldn't necessarily influence OP.

Also OP strike the Glock 19 from your list. It doesn't belong among those other guns. And try not to listen to people who berate you here.

>>34963730
>FNS 9
absolute fucking trash
>P10c
okay

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>>34963730
>FNS 9
LMAO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdTsFB1ejo8

OP, look at the VP9.

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>>34963721
>TFW CA KEK

>>34963698
OP here.
Just got back from the store, actually. they have a rent-range program where you can fire 5 shots down range with 3 different guns of your choice, so I want to narrow it to at least 3.

>>34963721
Saw this too, is a huge swing and I was already biased towards the German guns, as I'm a German gal.
Smith&Wesson's got a similar deal going on with 2 mags, though.

>>34963721
correct answer

OP, >>34963698 is right.
All the handguns you propose are solid, although I prefer the 938 and the P30. Bonus points for the latter if you're devil handed

Check out the P10C. It's a nice gun and not too expensive. It's got a pretty decent trigger and it feels great out of the box. Mine eats anything I feed it. Never any problems, unlike my 1911.

>>34963922
I do sort of like CZ as a brand, was looking at the P-01, since I want something I can toss in my purse for concealed carry if need be.

>>34963968
Well if you're looking into a purse gun take a look at the CZ 2075 Rami. That's a cute little 9mm too.

>>34963692
If not for carry then cut the shield and 938 off your list.

>5 shots down range with 3 different guns
IMO too few rounds to give you a great idea of what you want, but sure better than nothing. Sometimes ergos of a gun will disagree with you over time but seem fine at the outset.

If i were you I'd throw a CZ75 omega on your list, It's ergos, DA/SA trigger, and very low recoiling nature should contrast well with the glock and VP9. Tell ya a bit about your preference in the area of recoil sensitivity, build material, action type, and trigger feel. These tend to be rather polarizing issues. If the store doesn't carry them then a beretta 92 would be fairly comparable for this use except for ergos.

A sig 2022 wouldn't be a bad choice as a middle ground between the two.

Be sure to at least finger fuck/dry fire a mid sized revolver(4") and a 1911 while you're at it. They might be old school and not exactly what you're looking for but they stick around for a reason.

>>34963968
P-01 might be a bit heavy for purse carry, but it's a great gun

>>34963968
are you a girl (male) or an actual girl

>>34964061
sig 2022s are super comfy

Glock 19.

Well, I think I've narrowed down the guns I want to take onto the range:
the HK VP9
a Smith Shield 9mm
and a Glock 19

Thanks for your help and awful opinions, y'all.

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>>34964537
The Glock 19 is arguably the most utilitarian handgun on the planet. Great magazine capacity for its size, perfect for concealment or as a service gun, reliable.

The VP9 is also a great pistol and I ended up selling my G19 after compromising on size with the VP9. My main reasoning was ergonomics and how accurate I could get in drills and competition with both.

Renting and putting at least a couple hundred rounds through both is your best bet, as you already plan on doing.

>>34963968
Look at p2000sk or p30sk, p01 is what I used to carry and i ditched it

>>34963692
I was thinking about picking up a CZ-75 clone for my first hand gun. (maybe a Tristar S-120 or T-120) A while back, I shot a CZ compact and liked it. I hated the berettas I shot in the army and most of my other handgun experience was with a .22 revolver when I was a kid.

What do yall think I should go with?

>>34963740
Fuck s&w. Nothing wrong with a glawk brand glawk.

>>34964641
The tristars are pretty nice, get one if you like it. I had one of the canik cz clones years ago and it was an awesome gun just heavy for ccw.

>>34964669
sheeeeeit s&w makes better guns than glawk fool

>>34964577
What're your opinions on HK's USP line?

>>34964694
They are amazing and one of the best polymer handguns ever made. The quality of materials is great as well as the fit and finish of them. Reliability and durability are also top notch. I would highly recommend you go to LGS and hold them to see if it's not too big for your hands. If so look at the sk models of p2000 and p30, those are ideal for carrying. If for home defense try a full size USP. I really can't praise them enough.

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>>34964669
If Glocks cost $350 or had a halfway decent trigger you would be right.

But for the same $500 a Glock costs you could get a VP9, PPQ, P10, M&P 2.0 or any number of handguns better in multiple ways.

It's not 1987 anymore, a lot has changed.

>>34964694
shit. fuckhuge with bad triggers and a complete lack of ergos for the overwhelming majority of people.

>>34964730
I wouldn't call the trigger bad by any means. It's slightly mushy as most HK triggers are but it breaks and resets very crisp and clean. If trigger is an issue HK makes amazing match triggers but I've never come close to needing one on my USP.

>>34964681
No they don't. There's a reason why every police department uses 9mm glocks.

>>34964785
A lot of police also use SIGs, which are trash. Common use isn't necessarily an indicator of quality.

>>34964785
correct - price.

>>34964756
my USP 45 tactical has a good SA pull but my USP 9 is atrocious

>>34964797
>>34964800
SIGs are not trash. Glocks are simply the best striker fired handguns for their price.

>>34964818
Coincidentally, a couple of officers came into my work today and I asked them what they carried on and off duty. On duty, they told me the whole department carries SIG. Off, the vast majority carry Glocks. Take that for what you will

>>34964818
M&P is better, iPhone fag

>>34964810
The tactical I believe has some different components in the trigger, that also depends on year I hear the new ones don't come with match trigger components apart from the trigger itself. What's bad about the 9? Was it new when you buy?
>>34964818
I've shot a few and handled a couple others, the few I shot were really inconsistent and I even had a 320 break in my hands at the LGS.
>>34964843
I'd believe it. The PD in my area allows the officers to carry their personal preference and a lot of people have SW MP or Glocks.

I'd give the PPQ a look too if you're not wanting something subcompact.

>>34964847
M&P in 9mm is trash. The few police departments that opted to use them had to stop because they malfunctioned.

>>34964853
What's your take on USP compacts?

>>34964995
I carry one everyday for part of the year. They don't have the same recoil system as the full size. The full size uses a double spring while the compacts include a buffer so they are snappier recoil. They are awesome guns and I would recommend them.

if there's one thing we can all agree on, it's that glocks are garbage

>>34964537
VP9 is the best one on that list.

>>34964571
A trip that I'm agreeing with? Must be a full moon tonight.

>>34963692
>First-time buyer here

forget the s&w

noobs falling for the big $$ sigs and hks are a meme where i live lots of rich computer geeks that can't shoot worth shit

get a ruger sr9 sr9c 9e or american & spend the $$ you save on ammo range time for training

>>34963878
show me ur bewbz

>>34964727
>It's not 1987 anymore, a lot has changed.
its so cute when people that weren't even born yet think that. nothing has really changed.

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>>34965913
Please post the guns you have personal experience with to validate your opinion.

>>34964727
>>34966303
>dat setup..
You know your shit. What would be your top 5 handguns under $550?

Any experience with the sig 2022?

>>34964727
Im 'miring that tactical model.

I'm gonna buy a threaded barrel for my VP9 one of these days.

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>>34967745
HK VP9, Walther PPQ, S&W M&P 2.0, Walther P99 (scarce) and mayyyybe a CZ75 or Beretta 92FS might squeak in under $550.
The VP9 and PPQ have the best buyers incentives right now, with 4 free clips ($140) or $100 rebate respectively so for that reason I would rank them above the others. But that should not let ergonomics or aesthetic preference deter a decision.

I'm a bargain whore so I would also put the Steyr M9/L9 ($440), Walther PPX/Creed ($350), CZ P-07 ($420lolweed), Zastava CZ99 ($350) and Beretta PX4 ($440) into consideration. Those are a lot of gun for the money, I'd call them "bargain quality."

I like the 2022 a lot but they have ballooned in price since they were introduced at $330. At that price I thought they were a supreme bargain but at $450 for the 9mm versions not so much. If you can find a 9mm under $400 I'd put that into the "bargain quality" category too. The cockroach guns (Canik, Sarsilmaz, Tristar, Stoeger etc) are hit and miss, some have okay guts and some are gritty and gross. I like my K2 45 but it is crudely manufactured.

In my opinion the FN 509, Glock 19/17, Remington RP9, Kahrs and Ruger American are shit for a variety of reasons, mostly the triggers. The PPQ and VP9 are unquestionably the best factory triggers for the money and it's spoiled my opinion of anything else.

I have not tried a Sig P250, P320, Springfield XD, Ruger SR9, Beretta APX or any Taurus so I can't comment with personal experience, but the new polymer Sigs don't seem to be going over well.

And finally if you consider used guns, trade-in HK USPs ($380), Beretta 92FSs ($330), S&W gen 3s ($300), M&Ps ($300) and Sig P226s ($400) are all really excellent quality for the money.

This is for OP: All of the above is second in consideration after ergonomics. None of it matters if you can't reach controls, discover an uncomfortable bump on the grip or can't comfortably grab the slide.

>>34963878
btw im a grill

>>34964727
I don't like any of the guns you listed more than glocks though, can you name some more?

>>34968612
What about a Glock makes the (imo) superior trigger, ergonomics, price, reliability, aesthetics or capacity of the competition things you can overlook?

>>34968655
They are thinner and smaller for the capacity than any of the competition. Also, I like the ergonomics of glocks. They point naturally for me. The trigger can be made better than any of the competition with a $25 trigger connector. Even without it though, I like the stock glock trigger better than any of the ones you listed except for the PPQ. I like the way they look too. I think guns with picatinny rails look like trash. There's no point of them either imo, since all accessories worth having are designed with glocks in mind.

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>>34968730
>The trigger can be made better than any of the competition with a $25 trigger connector.
This has invalidated your opinion.

Sorry.

>>34968793
It's true tho. Maybe add a flat trigger if you really want to make it pop.

Fuck all them expensive guns, get a Lorcin .25 Auto.

>>34963698
Yep. This anon gets it. Weak point initially will be fit. Better fit = more hits. And if you work at it, you can get even more.

Get the one that feels the best to you.

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It's just like the gun it's patterned after, but $200 cheaper, made nicer & glock 19 light

>>34968328
Thanks Mate. Quality post

So assuming the 2022 , P-07 and the /PX4 were the same price which would you choose?

>Any experience with the sig 938, Shield or Walther PPS m2?

>What do you think about the lower grade HK? 2000sk, USP Compact?

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>>34968328
The SR9 is actually a very nice shooting pistol but nowhere near what I would consider a duty gun.

>mfw got the VP9 Tactical w/ tritium sights and 2 mags from PSA for $540 and it shipped today
>also mfw I'll be getting 4 additional mags for free

>>34968328
I aspire obtain at least 1/3 to your collection, you degenerate

>>34970085
*of

>>34969819
kek you posted the wrong turkshit

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>>34963721
+1 for fighter jet grey

>>34963692
as someone who owns both a vp9 and a p30, I'd get a p30L

>>34970193
note that you still get the free mags with a P30 purchase

Not.op but what are thoughts on browning bda

>>34963968
for me, its the CZ P-07. the best polymer framed DA/SA decocker only handgun

>>34970238
>best polymer framed DA/SA decocker only handgun
>not a P30

>>34963692

Walther PPS M2 LE model.

Great sights, excellent ergonomics, extremely accurate right out of the box, AND...It can fill the roles of an EDC, or home defense.

OR

Get the Sig P938. Built like a tank, super easy to conceal, but just a little on the overpriced side.

>>34969819
My C-100 can plink at 50 yards all day. My most accurate handgun.

>>34968328
>trade-in HK USPs ($380)
Where?

I saw one shop sell out in a special sale after a few hours but nothing else..

Care to share?

>>34970104
huh?

Anyone care to share thoughts on the P320 (the anticipated consumer release of the M17 specifically):

Here are some novice level points:

Is there some accuracy to the sig P320 being the modularity and aftermarket king now that it won the contract? Is it just marketing or is it worth getting one considering the USG invested a decent amount of R&D time and chose sig over glock (working under the assumption that it was an R&D driven choice which I'm sure many of you doubt).

There are some aspects of the P320 M17 that are appealing like the ambi manual safety, ambi mag release, small trigger module being the serialized part meaning easy frame swaps, ease of field stripping. There are also disadvantages like having a more complex firing mechanism than a glock, proprietary mags, the general price:performance ratio, and design flaws that are surfacing like the recent 30deg misfire.

The P320 has also had little true field testing where other models like Glock 19 are standard carry for SOCOM, Marines, SEALs and tons of local and private.

>>34971076
Like the 2022 over it

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>>34968812
There is nothing you can do, no amount of money you could spend, no amount of work you could perform that would get rid of the spongy creep inherent in a Glock trigger. It is essential to the way a Glock striker mechanism works. A $2,500 Salient Glock has the same spongy break as a $350 trade-in. Please stop trying to trick OP or other anons.

>>34969960
I'd pick the PX4 because the rotating barrel does actually reduce felt recoil somewhat. The P-07 probably has the best trigger of the three but only by a small margin.

I don't own a 938 but I handled one and it was very well built, quite good trigger and comfy but I think they are significantly overpriced. Keeping size in mind, it's a $500 gun with a $700 tag. I love the Shield, and dislike the PPS classic though I have not tried a PPS M2. The two PPS classics I tried had HORRIBLE triggers, like a really REALLY bad version of a Glock. They almost feel like DAO. The M2 may have fixed that, I don't know so I can't say.

The P2000 and USPc are okay, acceptable like most guns and that would be perfectly fine and justifiable if not for the crazy price tag. Once again they're ~$500 guns with a $800+ tag. The USPc trigger can be made great with Match parts but the stock trigger is creepy and gritty unbecoming a $800 gun.

>>34970038
Deal of the century man, I told myself NO MORE GUNS this year but oops, HK heebed me good! I'll try an SR9

>>34970231
Sigs and Berettas, what's not to like?

>>34970333
https://www.sportsmansoutdoorsuperstore.com/products2.cfm/ID/196033
http://summitgunbroker.com/usp-v1-and-2.html

>>34971321
Yeah that's the deal I posted on here that I mentioned selling out.

I contacted them and they do not know when they'll have more stock.

>>34971339
Did Summit sell out too?

>>34971351
>http://summitgunbroker.com/usp-v1-and-2.html
>posting summit usp's before I can buy one
delet

>>34971076
Literally the ONLY reasons the p320 was selected over the glock MHS is that it was cheaper and because of ammunition license rights (since glock does not manufacture ammo). The govt. said as much in the statement they issued after glock filed their petition to reconsider the decision. The glock either matched or outperformed the P320 in every performance criterion including reliability and accuracy. There's no reason to even consider a P320 if you're a civilian and it costs the same as a glock, especially since we know of the p320s striker retainment issue, which wasn't detected in the trials because of insufficient testing.

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>>34971351
>>34971401
After their 3% card fee and $20 shipping it is almost $420.

At that point you're better off grabbing a VP9 and getting the 4 free mag rebate and lifetime warranty.

Unless you really want a USP, then it's a good price for that.

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>>34971321
Bravo man. Please post here more, wish we had these quality posts full time.

>Experience with 1911"s? RIA's?

>You like the CZ P01/Pcr better then the 75's?

>Military Surplus Pistols?

>What do you like for long guns? Mini 14? M&P Sport? SKS?

Thanks again man and amazing collection

>>34968328
You can only bring one gun with you. VP9 or PPQ?

>>34966303
>noice collection

>>34964727
What would you suggest for a hammer fired carry?

>>34971474
Interesting. So the Sig really was only able to offer a better deal because it could bundle ammo sales.
Thanks, did not look into the GAO appeal so missed those details

>>34972804
>doesn't know Burt
how new are you?

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>>34972804
Have not touched an RIA, won't opine but have heard good and bad. I have a Springfield and tried a Sig, I like both. Springfield is overpriced, Sig is great value for features imo.

I carry a P-01. CZs are equal in quality, ergonomics and price, but the decocker models have worse triggers than the safety models.

Milsurp, I dunno. Most tend to be slav, which is super crude, usually direct blowback and very cheap. Cheap is probably their biggest virtue. Blowback is very unpleasant in anything stronger than .380, especially 9mm +P and 9mm Mak.

I like ARs. They're cheaper now than they've ever been. I had a Mini that was garbage, and SKSs aren't worth the money anymore. AKs are cheaper than SKS now.

>>34972971
That's extremely tough. A month ago I would have said PPQ but now I dunno, it's a wash. Maybe still PPQ because I have more clips.

>>34973211
For full size, take your pick.
For compact any of the numerous CZ75 Compact variants, Walther P99, Bersa Thunder 9/380 or Beretta PX4. The Walther isn't hammer fired but it is DA/SA with a decocker. Bersa is quite good for little money, but relatively low capacity.
For subcompact Sig P938 expensive, Springfield XDe cheap, or some form or slav surplus very cheap.

Carry guns are always at risk of being dropped, lost or confiscated so I don't recommend spending too much money on them. IMO this rules out things like USPs, Sphinx, Lionheart, Sig or anything custom like SAI.

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>>34973211
Oh and HK P30 SK! For some reason they are like half the cost of the full size P30s, so that makes them cheap enough for carry IMO.

But with the safety they are thicc.

>>34973482
Wow. Thank you man
>Burt. The hero we deserve

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>>34971321
Thank you Burt, I'm $580 all in for my VP9 tactical, it even came with tritium sights and I just filled out the docs to get my 4 additional free mags.

Now I need a can!

what's the better deal, PPQ at sub-$400 with rebate or a $500 VP9 with the 4 free mag rebate deal?

then there's the $600 VP9 with night sights and 3 mags

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>>34971483
>After their 3% card fee
fuckers, I hate that shit.
I mainly want a USP because of HK's marketing department telling me to buy one for my entire life by putting them in every single piece of media ever.

I need to handle one again before I think about getting one, it's been a while. I don't care for .40, but I plan on reloading at some point, but I would probably be better off waiting to see if p2000's go on sale again or getting a vp9, then getting a fullsized usp as a range gun later on.

What's the cheapest price for a VP9 right now? I think I saw high 400's last I checked.

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>>34974260
The VP9 would be a better value IF you were going to buy 4 additional clips. $35 x 4 = $140. If you weren't planning on buying more than 2 extra clips then the PPQ would be the better deal.

Both are killer deals and likely won't be repeated. Gun companies ramped up expecting Hitlery to win and then oops Trump won't ban anything so there's no panic like they expected and now they have too much inventory.

>>34974261
USPs are excellent
My first handgun was a 9mm USP Compact and I like it so much I bought a full sized USP in .40
Ill buy a .45 tactical if silencers stop being tax stamped

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>>34974470
>Gun companies ramped up expecting Hitlery
Good news for us, eh? Do you have any YHM cans? I was looking at their sidewinder 9mm and thinking it was a pretty decent can, but this is new territory for me.

>>34963692
try it out.
my favorite is the shield. i even bought an airshit version for garden plinking

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>>34974568
No. I don't have a high opinion of them but I don't own any so I wouldn't say they're bad. The important part of pistol suppressors is the piston and housing, so if theirs is good then it's probably fine. I know Thompson Machine used to offer really inexpensive pistol silencers with no booster, but they were cut to Gemtech pattern so you could put a quality booster and piston on them, making the package decent. Perhaps YHM does the same thing.

>>34975285
Do you have a link to a resource that explains the whole piston/ booster scenario? Speaking of suppressors, I found this by cruising youtube the other day. https://rebelsilencers.com/sos-9

Its an all aluminum, 3 or 4 chamber, $200 suppressor.

>>34974470
>What beretta version do you like better? Px4/92a1/fs?

>Would you rank the cz 75 above the beretta?

>>34974470
Also what current lever action would you recommend?

>>34963730
I think I'm going to start telling everyone that CZ is garbage just to spite you dronefags.

>>34975523
beretta 92fs

>>34963692
Get a P938,
They are reliable
They are small enough to conceal in any clothing, you don't need a jacket or anything to hide it and it won't print in almost any clothing.
It is an easy gun to carry and there's no excuse to not carry it, a full size gets heavy, uncomfortable, and requires specific clothing to achieve all of those.
You can wear the p938 in any setting.
They also have cool finishes that look nice, noguns will consider carrying if you can show them something that looks"Fashionable"

>>34970516
he was clearly talking about the TP9, but instead posted the P-120

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>>34975374
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wl4Gfbx-xwU
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muzzle_booster

That Rebel thing looks like you get what you pay for but it's an interesting design. If one chunk is damaged it can be replaced by the manuf. But threads are the weakest part of the tube, so having that many thread junctions all along the pressure vessel increases the likelihood of catastrophic failure by many multiples over a solid tube. If you look at Rugged, Dead Air and the other modular suppressors they have ONE threaded section and it's near the end, away from the high pressure muzzle/booster area, and that threaded area is visibly beefier than the rest of the tube. I wouldn't feel safe making heavy use of the Rebel, and I would never shoot .300BO, but for occasional low power stuff I'd bet it's fine. Also Liberty boosters are well made so it's good that Rebel used them instead of trying to make their own budget booster.

>>34975523
I like the 8000, it's the predecessor of the PX4 and is kind of a halfway point between Beretta 92 and Beretta PX4. It's got a Vertec angle grip, takes 92 magazines, has classic Beretta styling but uses a rotating barrel.

CZ75 imo has much better ergonomics than Beretta but both are high quality lines. Don't listen to the people shitting on machining marks or paint finish CZs, they are well engineered and well built, but I would give Beretta the nod in those areas.

>>34975554
NOT Winchester. So that leaves Henry, Marlin and Rossi. The Henrys and Marlins I've felt were great, really smooth, well finished and well built. Never touched a Rossi but the price makes me suspicious. My friend has a new Winchester 94 and wow it's trash. Especially with the cocking lever safety it just feels awful, the blued finish is dull and ugly and the stock wood is very very cheap looking. Nothing like even 10 years ago when Winchester was still okay.

>CALLE

>>34975667
Oh one side note about the P938 though, it punishes poor form as a shooter, you really have to learn how to shoot in order to get solid performance out of it.

>>34975754
Had no idea about the 8000. Looks pretty cool.

So you would say the berettas are better built/ more reliable?

>>34975523
I love the FS for nostalgic reasons, but I'm digging the PX4 I have now. If I can ever find an FS for cheap I'm definitely going to pick it up.

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>>34975808
>better built/ more reliable
I would not say so, I'd say they're equal in build quality and reliability with maybe a small edge in sandy environments to CZ because of the shrouded barrel.

Berettas do tend to be better finished though, they are very cleanly machined and very cleanly painted, anodized or blued, I think Italians are aesthetically autistic in that way. And Beretta slides slide REALLY smoothly. I don't think any brand feels as smooth as Beretta, well used ones feel like ice on ice.

But Berettas feel fat to many people and the slide mounted safety/decocker is dumb imo. CZs feel so great in the hand, and for me CZ controls are perfectly placed.

So it's a wash! Can't say one's better, every model of every brand does something better or worse than the competition.

>>34963692
I really like my VP9. The only complaint I have for it is my thumb rests on the slide stop so it won't lock back after the final round. Once I learned about the "Sig Grip" method I stopped having issues and feel very confident with it.

>>34971321
Looking to get a revolver whats your experience with those?

>can we just do some type of /k/ poster of the year and give Burt all the awards?

>>34975963
Just got mine in today, what's the "Sig grip"?

>>34975982
Instead of resting your firing hand thumb on the frame, you rest it on your support hand.

With the thumbs forward grip some Sig owners would inadvertently press down on the slide release while shooting, causing the slide to return to battery after the final shot. I did it with my VP9 and helped out.

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>completely have no interest in any polymer DA/SA guns untill like the past month ish
>hmm might get the p07 but decide to look at HK's instead since poly cz's are fucking ugly as fuck
>remember about the px4 storms, actually they look pretty cool
>remember they were like $320 with the rebate in march
J U S T

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>>34975974
I don't have much experience with revolvers, they're too expensive for my taste. I don't feel like I'm getting enough gun to justify the cost. But I HEAR that Ruger GP/SPs are extremely well built and I HEAR that super cheap sub-$300 revolvers are hand grenade trash. I really wanted a Manurhin MR73 because of that company's tie to Walther but even at $500 for such a premium tier revolver I could not justify the cost for those beat up police trade ins.

tl;dr Nothing to opine about revolvers.

>>34976057
If you bought an HK VP9, got the four free clips on rebate and sold them you would still have a VP9 with 2 clips for $350 out of pocket (before transfer).

That's a pretty stunningly good deal imo. You know what you must do.

>>34976057
Shame. I traded my Glock for a PX4 and I love it.

>>34976052
Solid. Thanks, next range tip I'll work on that. I noticed earlier that it looked like my usual grip would interfere with the slide release.

>>34976124
What's the best price vp9's have been during the rebate period? I'm seeing $480 ish shipped I think.

>>34976164
Mine was $540 at PSA for the tactical model with tritium sights, no tax and free shipping.

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Get a VP9 if those are your choices. Glock 19 (or 17 or 26!) is a very solid purchase as well. Godspeed.

>>34976164
That's the best I've seen too, though they seem to be mostly sold out at that price. A lot of retailers raised their prices now to offset the rebate because it's still a good deal.

>>34976128
No worries brother. Glad I could help.