PCC

>>34962433
>>You can count modern dedicated PCC on fingers of one hand.
I've never actually seen an enumerated list. Would you mind compiling a list of modern PCCs for the thread? Maybe someone will make a chart.

i have a question that didn't get resolved in the thread i posted it in
1. why are "carbine conversion kits" for glocks and stuff sold like it's no big deal, but it's a felony to put a stock on your handgun?
2. do pistol carbines legally count as rifles?
if so, why is no.1 not considered an SBR?

>>34962635
>Beretta meme school shooter plasma rifle
>TyroneTek Hi Point
>9mm AR pistols with """braces"""
Off the top of my head

>>34962433
They don't sell as well as ARs because Joesixpack doesn't know what they are.

And the ones he does know, like the MP5, vector, Uzi, P90, etc, all cost 1-2 grand.

Hi-point carbines are cheap but ugly and low capacity and the only reason kel-tec keeps their carbines ~$400 is by making less than the market demand.

AR9s are the biggest move in the right direction since it shows American manufacturers using existing tooling to create an affordable and reliable product.

Unfortunately parts kits are expensive to build since you need a new receiver, new/modified bolt to fire from the closed bolt position, and new barrel. Since people don't want to pay $1000 for a 9mm, they're not happening.

>>34962433
Ruger needs to make 10/22 but in 10mm, 5.7, etc...would be great

>>34962724
A carbine in 10mm would be pretty nice

>>34962735
Why?

>>34962724
you just made me pop a chubby at work

>>34962705
>you will never slowly build an ar9

>>34962635
CX4,
CZ Scorpion Evo
Kel-Tec Sub2000,
Hi-point
JR
MP5 clones
Kriss Vector

Rest are conversions/ARs/memes(Calico) or use meme cartridges (.45/5.7x28)

>>34962740
For fun.

>>34962705
AR9s are worng direction imo. Compexity goes against PCC idea. Blowback AR is still AR.

>>34962791
I think you're confused because a blowback AR is actually pretty simple.

>>34962674
Beretta neos is a perfect ex for your question.

Law states that you can convert a pistol to a rifle(I forget why) and also back again. This means that you can put a stock on but you MUST put on a 16" barrel as well, stock on a neos without the 16" barrel is an sbr.

The glock kits like roni and such still require an sbr, rule of thumb is you cannot put a stock on a pistol unless its an sbr or a curio/relic.

>>34962674
The mectek conversion kit has 16+inch barrel and a stock. Some states may have issues with it being an "assault" weapon but federally g2g

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>>34962724
Or some sort of actual working .357 semi carbine, 30 round mags, kind of like the one they use to make. Ballistics would be beautiful for CQB. Anons need to start a gun company and produce weapons where these is a demand and no supply.

>>34962765
>.45
>meme

>>34962804
only thing that is removed is gas system and bolt group
still plenty of complex parts left

It isn't???

>>34962945
aren't you too old to post here?

>>34962948
>the only two things removed include the most complex part of an AR

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>>34962912
>>34962724
>>34962735
>>34962743
It already existed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruger_Deerfield_Carbine

>>34962700
>Beretta meme school shooter plasma rifle
>the hi point not being the school shooter plasma rifle
do you even /natural selection/?

>>34962765
You forgot about the HK SP5K.

>>34962765
And also doesn't Sig make some sort of PCC?

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>>34962765
Sup>>34962433
>>34962635
>some of you pccs are alright dont buy a hipoint tomorrow

>not a single mention of the Marlin Camp Carbine or the Ruger PC9

fucking disgusting thread

>>34963183
I wish both were cheaper

>>34963183
>haven't been made in 10+ years
>somehow relevant to current market trends

>>34963253
thread is about modern PCCs

this includes both

>>34963087
yeah, they have a variety of options for their MPX platform.

>>34962991
I'm pretty sure a beretta carbine was used in a school shooting in quebec

>>34963297
>double stack mags
>2 including shooter killed
vs
>like 21 + 2 shooters
>single stack mags

>m-muh hi point is trash and needs to make a double stack gun

>>34962948
Which parts do you consider to be overly complex?

I just want a bullpup pistol caliber carbine that sits right at the requirements to be non nfa. 16 inch barrel, 26 OAL. Keep it light weight, maybe some basic sort of delay or locking to make it smooth like MP5s are. Kinda like a P90 in format but proportioned for a 16 inch barrel and not in a meme caliber. 9mm would be great.

>>34963595
I've been asking for the same thing for years. Keltec pls.

>>34962433
Because they're obsolete and even the fucktards who make marketing decisions for gun companies know it

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>>34963595
Or...or....just sp5k with a brace

The NFA made it a non-starter, duh.

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>>34963646
>brace
Disgusting.
I've already got that angle covered anyway. I'm thinking more affordable, non nfa, relatively compact and light. Something your average scrub can buy or a typical non-hobbiest could use for home defense. Cheap ammo, low recoil, easier to shoot than a handgun. I think it would have a good niche.

>>34963690
>#sidefoldingloopholesavesthepoophole

>>34962433
>but for those miss the point of PCC
How? The MechTech carbine uppers for Glock pistols is literally a tube receiver with a blowback action in it, that you attach onto the frame of a Glock pistol where it uses it as a grip, magwell and FCG, they're very simple weapons.

>This is a 1930s tech
So is the M1 Garand, and it's not cheap either.

>Also only one that is priced fairly is Hi-point.
>fairly
First of, the Hi-Point is priced as it is because it is an extremely cheap weapon by any standards, it is a positively genius design going by budget, a revolution in economy weapons, the Hi-Point is an exception.

>>34962674
>why are "carbine conversion kits" for glocks and stuff sold like it's no big deal, but it's a felony to put a stock on your handgun
Because if you put a long enough barrel on a pistol, 16", it wouldn't be a short barreled rifle.

The ATF has explicitly allowed carbine kits with 16" barrels under the reason that a pistol can be a rifle and then go back to being a pistol, as long as the barrel length remains compliant, but a rifle can not become a pistol.

>>34962791
>>34962948
Wow, you're a fucking dumbass.

It's quite literally a blowback action like any other except there's a buffer in the back.
It removes the rotating bolt in place for a blowback one, the gas system is deleted, etc, some even have tailor made receivers for pistol magazines and subgun magazines for less weight and parts.
There's nothing complex about it, unless you're perplexed by a bolt release and safety selector.