/meg/ - Military Enlistment General

This is a stupid question but I'm going to ask it anyway. Are the Marines really all marketing or is the whole package worth having to pass some of the most rigorous PFT standards and having substandard gear and living conditions compared to other branches? For enlisted and/or officers.

Please leave the "fuck teh Marines xD" posts out.

>>34960116
http://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=https%3A%2F%2Fm.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dv9UBOGu6GQY
Marketing.

>>34960116
They're good at a limited doctrinal set of being a full "military in a box" that can start a fight anywhere until the Army and Air force show up.

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What is RAAF Intelligence like?

I'm taking the ASVAB pretest later today. How hard is it?

>>34960175
The actual ASVAB is a self-adjusting test. It uses prior answers to adjust difficulty.

>>34960116
Are you a jock? Do you find the attitude of a football locker room good and fun?

If so, you'll probably like the Marines. If not, you'll probably feel out of place.

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How heavy are Counselor based diagnoses compared to psychiatrist diagnoses? Would they require waivers? What if it can be proven it did not fit DSM criteria?

As well, in an injury paperwork from a general practitioner MD, it says I had depression symptoms and anxiety, but did not list a diagnostic code on them. Does that mean it cannot be interpreted as having Depression/Anxiety issues? Was just me being sadboi over being unable to train and extremely painful recovery period until I was sure it was going to heal right.

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Anyone have any dependa/wife stories?

Preferably ones about women trying to use their husband's rank to some benefit.

>>34960116
>some of the most rigorous PFT standards
You run a mile more than the other branches. The PFT for the Marines is by no means "rigorous" if you are even moderately in shape.

>having substandard gear
Marines usually get the cool stuff a few years after the Army, but yes, the entire mentality behind the Corps is "Marines make due." Note that I am not saying this is a bad thing: you notice how guys in prison can get jacked as fuck despite not having access to the entire gym? A fancy new rifle is nothing if the person operating it doesn't know what they are doing. Personally, I grew up around the idea of "make every cent count" so adjusting to that wasn't very difficult for me. I've never needed, say, a new phone because my "old" one was broken -- take care of your shit and it will take care of you.

>living conditions
Word is that they're actually renovating a lot of the older barracks. I got lucky with my duty stations, so I cannot attest to the hellscapes like Twentynine Palms. To be honest though, I have some friends would argue that the Marine Corps' bases are heavily dependent upon what is around. One of my 03 friends swapped from Camp LeJeune to 29P to prep for deployment and he didn't hate it as much as I expected, partly due to the fact that it's about 3 hours away from Las Vegas, so if you get weekend libo and access to a car then that's a great option.

>>34960466
>"Marines make due."

Marines make do.*

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>>34960089

>>34960491
>"The US should have open borders!"
>"Open borders for Israel? Are you mad?!"

>>34960491
Go home /pol/.

Dumb questions:
Was there ever a reason to join the marines over the army? Like back in the early to mid 1900's? It seems like they always got the short end of the stick, especially in the pacific.

I'm a no car no license poorfag. How fucked am I if I join the army. My main reason for joining is that I'm a poorfag in a dead end town with a very cancerous family. I just want to get away from it all. Looking at 11x

>>34960089
>Marine times
>How an autistic trouble maker almost made it to the fleet

Jokes on you, I already did my 4 years and deployments. I slipped thru the cracks! Mwuhahahahahaha

>>34960580
It's good when there was a war. I was an 0311. I even turned down a 20k sign on bonus to be a Marine instead of army airborne.

Don't during peace time tho, go Army.

>>34960580
>Was there ever a reason to join the marines over the army?

During WW2? Pearl Harbor. That pissed a LOT of Americans off, so when the Marines said "We're going to fuck the Japanese up, you in?" you better believe that they had people pouring in.

Today? They're really more or less the same. Marines are still more proud than the Army, but any training they have to put them above and beyond is minuscule. A lot of soldiers I've worked with and spoken to hold Marines in a very high regard.

>I'm a no car no license poorfag. How fucked am I if I join the army.
You need a state-issued ID, but it doesn't necessarily have to be a driver's license. As for the car, you won't be driving for at least a good year unless you live off base (which, if you're single, you won't.)

>My main reason for joining is that I'm a poorfag in a dead end town
A lot of people join for this reason.

>>34960491
>this

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I head out for bmq on the 9th. I am currently shitting bricks but excited as fuck! Just wanted to share.

>>34960604
>autistic
>Mwuhahahahahaha
checks out

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I'm 99.9% sure I have eczema. Wut do. I can't not join the military. In a similar situation to >>34960580

It's all I have left.

>>34960412
I do. But I'm too lazy to type it. Long and short she married a guy, got the benefits to pay for a bunch of shit, divorced him, kept the benefits, and now struts around always going on about how she was an "army wife" and how people that serve are assholes and abusive.

>>34960580
>My main reason for joining is that I'm a poorfag in a dead end town with a very cancerous family.

not going to comment on the ins and outs of military, since I haven't served (lots of family/friends who did though) But that's probably one of the best reasons to join, IMO. Learn some discipline. And the best thing you can do is jump on whatever higher education they'll pay for, as quick as possible. You can often start online courses while serving. That education will be the single thing to keep you from falling back into hometown bullshit once you serve your time.

Also, don't get a big head about Military service. Some of the best people join our Military, and some of the worst do too. Statistically it's made up of pretty much the same type of guys as any field outside of higher education. It's usually not about glory or "muh freedoms", it's about furthering yourself while potentially being fodder for governmental interests.

Whatever you do, clear your mind of all the flag fellating, troop worship bullshit that they try to indoctrinate kids with since birth in this country. That's horseshit. They will use you, abuse you, and do their best to avoid paying for the damage once it's done. But if you go into it with an honest mindset you can do a lot of good while you're in there, and greatly further your life.

>>34960116
Coast guard has tougher physical standards

>>34960580
No, that's why they have market themselves so much

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>"haha fuck education and shit, i'll be a basic soldier"
>drop out of 6th form
>no A levels
>be 18 now
>"i want to be an officer of a specialised role"
anyone know of some of the fastest methods of attaining 180+UCAS points? want to join as a medical support officer.
>higher pay
>higher status
>get to help people
>get some leadership skills
>be the first in the family to be an officer
i'll do anything to get 180+ points as as it doesnt take too long like 2.5+ years
is beig an officer worth it, for a career or maybe 5-10 years?

>inb4 redo school A levels
i dont know, i'll have to check when they would allow me back + how long the courses would take, left because we did nothing for a few weeks but copy down a shit tonne of paperwork in IT and the politics teacher and the whole class just talk shit about right wing politicains and didnt do work.

any help is appreciated, i would love to be the first officer in the family,

>>34961626
Do you not have to have a degree to become an officer in bongistan?

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>>34961655
hopefully not, this is the requirements on their website

>>34961679
Might I ask, what are these points they're referring to? Are they from standardized testing that you have to take? I'd imagine that the British army would set their standards relatively high for 18 year olds to enter as officer. Education wise, that is. Not British, but I'd say your best bet would be to go back and study your ass off.
t. American

>>34961679
"great salary"

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>>34961720
>what are these points
they're given based upon grades you achieve at A level with each grade giving a higher or lower set of points

>>34961726
>"great salary"
its better than being on benefits like my brothers and sisters+ i dont think you have to spend alot since the army covers some stuff.

i gotta talk to some of the family serviemen to see what they think

Asking this again from the last /meg/, but am shipping to Army OSUT that is coed. How hard should I expect the PT to be? How long are the average runs?

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How hard is it to become a pilot in the AF?

>>34960520
>implying it's not true

Does Astigmatism of any kind prevent you from being a pilot in the RAF, or is it acceptable if it's not that bad and correctable?

>>34960175
ASVAB is just a test of common sense and problem solving, it's fairly easy; Easier if you study one of those "ASVAB for dummies" guides on your off time.

>>34961862
>Implying you don't see "da joos" in everything

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gonna try to go back to school to get those points.
I wish you all the best in your future within the military, i know you can make it, just like I will.
Work hard and join the role you want to do and be happy, it will be worth it in the long run

>>34961799
Strength: ChairForce
Perception: 10
Endurance: 6+
Charisma: 6+
Intelligence: 10
Agility: 6+
Luck: 6+

Jokes aside, you need really good eyesight, very good problem solving capabilities/ high IQ.

>>34962086
As far as i know anyways. My father tried to enter as a fighter pilot, his IQ was above requirements but his eyesight was naturally poor.

>>34960089
So I really want to finish my masters degree before going to the Navy. I want to get a SEAL contract and go in as an officer. My question is for anyone who has gotten commissioned as an officer, does having a masters degree help you or is a bachelors fine?
I should complete it by 2020 at which point i'll be 26 years old.

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I'm an ET awaiting transfer at TSC. I have pretty gucci orders, but I was wondering if any of you have any experience in any of the Blue to Green programs? I keep getting told TSC is the worst command, but so far everyone here seems to be a piece of shit who is only concerned with themselves. People purposely getting set back in training to get diffrent rates or malingering so they can just sit on medholds and collect a paycheck. I really didn't want to be one of those guys who is always complaing about what branch he joined, but I'm really regretting not doing my research before signing that paper. I definitely plan on finishing my contract, but at this point I'm either going to want to get out as soon as my six years are up and finish my degree, but if I re-up I think I'm gunna wanna do it with a different branch. Any advice? I just wanna feel like I'm doing my part, and so far I just feel like a glorified babysitter who gets paid too much.

>>34962838
Pretty sure you aren't going in off the street as a SEAL officer.

>>34962896
You can, but you need to go to Officer candidate school
https://www.sealswcc.com/navy-seal-how-to-become-a-navy-seal-officer.html

>>34962940
https://www.public.navy.mil/bupers-npc/officer/communitymanagers/active/Unrestricted/nsw/Pages/OCS.aspx
wrong link

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started Couch to 5k last week (push up edition)
can do 35 perfect form but want 80~
I'm really new to the gym and would like to work my tri's and chest, can anyone give me an outline of what I should do?

>>34963071
>I'm really new to the gym and would like to work my tri's and chest
Literally just do a modified Strength routine.
Monday and friday do 5x5 bench press and wed 5x5 OHP and do some accessories on those days. LTE and dips are a good idea.

>>34963132
thank you! will do!

>was chaptered out 4 years ago
>RE3, Uncharacterized discharge, wasn't a bad solider just had the first (and last) panic attack of my life and my fuckin battle buddy ratted on me
>keep feeling like I could have made it, really want back in


It'd take a fuckload of paperwork and a recruiter willing to work with me (and a few laser tattoo removals I reckon), but I've heard it's doable. Is there a smaller or larger chance now that god emporer trump wants to throw more bodies in the meat grinder? Or are they still really stingy with waivers and stuff

>>34963148
use linear progression to advance in strength and use proper form to avoid injuries

>>34961795
>co Ed OSUT

enjoy your time as a blue falcon bro

But honestly it's not awful. Even all male pt isn't bad if you're moderately fit

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Bamp

Is it true that SEPs is full of people and RDCs are actively trying to kick people out of boot camp? What are reasons that people get kicked out?

>>34964170
Was in boot camp about three months ago and can say RDCs aren't actively trying to kick people out unless they need to. There's a ton of people in seps but most of them went there for "medical" (saying their back hurts/suicide).

>>34960580
idk. marine uniforms are much nicer and they have a richer, more interesting history. the army is full of niggers and nerds and they have had ugly as fuck uniforms since after ww2 and they say gay shit like "sarnt".

What's the best gym routine to supplement a get-into-the-military training programme?

The Navy Seals recommend an Upper/Lower split with no more than 2 working sets per exercise and little rest time.
http://navyseals.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/naval-special-warfare-physical-training-guide.pdf

Also, is the above any good?

Can someone post that push-up routine from a couple of /meg/'s ago?

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>>34965375
No this is stupid BS, none of them actually do shit like that.
Do strength training 3 days a week, cardio 3 other days and take 1 rest day. Do mobility and stretching every day.
>>34965382
here

>>34965424
Thanks

Ausfag here, plnning on doing an infanry gap year and maybe a tour, but ultimately trying to get to america with a work visa and go for either ranger or army sf.

Am I a complete fucking idiot?

>>34965057
weak bait

I've given some thought to joining the army and doing something with tanks or armored vehicles of some sort. Can I be a crewman if I'm 6'1?

>>34960089
I'm going to college (in Canada so it's really community college) for engineering. I've been thinking about going into reserves as a combat engineer, any thoughts (good or bad idea)? After I do my 3 year advanced diploma i have same prospects as a 4 year bachelor in eng. However I might do 2 more years and get B of Eng. I will also be looking for summer engineering jobs and I have a 8 month coop in 2nd year.
Ty <3

Ill just ask here again. My recruiter is asking me to get paperwork that is seemingly impossible for me to get. He wants documentation on a criminal history on my record which has been deleted a long time ago. Neither the court nor the police station are able to give me anything on it. I am planning on trying to see if the FBI has any information on it. My recruiter is suggesting that it WILL show up on the FBI record, but the police station is saying even the FBI will have deleted it. Problem is, according to the FBI site, average wait time to get results is 10 weeks.

Is my recruiter just trying to get rid of me since it seems like it will be more difficult for him to get me in than most recruits? If thats the case, how can I ask him if that is how he feels?

>>34966604
Contact your state's Department of Justice. The FBI won't know shit about your state conviction.

>>34966634
Thanks Ill call them tomorrow.

>>34966634
I went to a "Superior Court" Its in the same town as the offense. Is that the same level as the state DOJ, or is DOJ separate?

>>34966849

Not him but if you had federal charges you would know.

>>34966864
i absolutely did not have a charge. I was arrested for it but the charges were dropped. The recruiter is saying it still can be used against me, and I need to find documents about it, but, I cant find any.

I read up on the qualifications for joining, and it seems that the recruiter is right, that it can still somehow still disqualify me in some circumstances. I just dont think this is one of those circumstances, since everything seems to have been truly deleted.

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Im in my mid 20s and thinking about joining the air force (security forces)

Anyone in the security force? How is it? From my understanding it can be boring but theres alot of stuff you can branch into like k9, counter sniper, or ravens.

Also, bit of an autistic question but is the anthrax vaccine safe? I stumbled across a documentary called direct order and it was filled with soldiers (some high ranking ones) bitching that the anthrax shot fucked them up. The comments of the vid were literred with people saying they had problems after taking it. But i see vets all the time and they seem fine. I dont really want to give myself a life long ailment for 4 years of service.

So yea, anyone get the anthrax shot and not come down with an auto immune problem or have noticeable memory issues?

Thanks.

>>34967016

Very few people go into Special Operations from SecFo. It's extremely competitive, and most of them end up scanning IDs at the base gate.

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What is the better choice army: combat engineer or infantry. Main concern is what would give me a better chance in finding a career after service. But would like to know opinions between the two from other anons. Sidenote those are the only jobs I qualify for that interest me

>>34967016
Listen to this guy.
>>34967054

You will be a glorified gate guard waving people on and off post all day every day.

>>34967122
Out of the two, engineer ofc

>>34965736
>>34965736
You need to be a permanent resident to get into the US military, so your work visa (H-1Bs are difficult to get) won't be accepted. Also, previously serving in a foreign military (from the US perspective) could be disqualifying so you might want to email an Army recruiter in the US and ask that specifically. There's a high chance you would have to denounce your Australian citizenship to serve in the American Army, unless you found a joint unit if those even exist. Also check out the Overseas Lateral Transfer Scheme; it's an Australian program for foreign military members to join the ADF. Email an American recruiter and ask if there is any kind of program like that for the US military.
Alternatively, you could serve in the ADF and get higher pay and better conditions, attempt to become an officer, and then try to get into an officer exchange program to work with the US Army for a while.

>>34967122
You only get to use C4 if you're an engineer or scout.

If I join the military would I still be able to play some gigs in the weekend or is there any rules against stuff like that while actively serving?

>I was a soldier
>oh, that's cool

>I was a sailor
>oh, that's cool

>I was an airman
>oh, that's cool

>I was a Marine
>Wow, really!?

>>34967312
>im joining to impress other people
>im also 18 and a virgin

>>34967312
>>34967375

>tfw writer
>tfw just want to become a Marine because you know that there are stories there

Mate, I even know that it's going to be shit in quality of life.

>>34967388
>become a Marine because you know that there are stories there
??????
You get stories from deploying fag. Army deploys just as much as marines and navy deploys even more.

>>34960993
If it's not too bad just spend the money on one of those decent brands of eczema ointment and clear yourself up. If it's pretty bad/infected go see a dermatologist to get some stronger prescription stuff.

>>34967312
This reads like a cringy Indian Facebook post

>>34967388
Navy has sea stories m8. Sea stories are the best. Typically non-violent, typically humorous, sometimes downright terrifying. I could listen to sea stories for hours.

>>34967310
During basic/school in any branch, no but after that yes, dependent on branch and your job and base.

>>34967388
>become a Marine because you know that there are stories there
Stop falling for marine marketing.

Was prescribed add medication years ago while I was in college (6+ years). My understanding is that rules were recently changed in such a way that unless I took medication within the past year or display symptoms of ADD this shouldn't matter. Is this right?

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>>34967312
>>34967375
>>34967388

>>34960475
No

>>34960618
You dumb fucking jarhead.
>the epitome of the Marines folks

>>34967590
If you actually need a uniform to get laid your either ugly or fat.
Not to mention the only girls youll get are fat white trash single mothers. So have at it boss.

Does hazing happen in the US army infantry?

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>>34960089
If you want to serve for 4 years go USMC
Want a career in doorkicking go Army
https://ihatetheusmc.com/?s=Army&submit=Search

>>34961384
No.

>>34960580
The marines are the youngest, fittest, and whitest branch in the military.
If you're a chubby hispanic weeb in your mid to late 20s then join a different branch.

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>>34967559
Don't tell them.

Just never, ever tell them.

t. told them, still waiting.

>>34967312
My favorite:
>Were you ever in the military?
>Yeah, I was a Marine
>OOHRAH SEMPER FI!

I'm not trying to sound like a condescending prick, but if you weren't a Marine, please don't say those things unironically. It is incredibly cringey.

>>34967122
Combat engineer by far.

>>34967608
Ok? Care to explain autist?

>>34967122
my leutenant's wise words: Infantry only knows how to replace his magazine, the combat engineers know how to fight + how to build/destroy

Im joining the military academy in Holland in 2 weeks.

any last minute tips?

Im taking meps tuesday. Very worried, but I should be fine. Just tell them IDK while I think of the right answer.

Any other general tips to not fuck up?

>>34969307
"I don't know" is going to always be interpreted as "YES"
"Maybe" is not a word you want in your mindset there.

Stick to what you told them already, because you only look like a liar if it differs, even if you think it will be okay to bring up something new. Their job is to assume you are a total liar as most people there are.
Make sure you can get the paperwork for medical shit etc. beforehand and what it says, in case it becomes relevant.
Everybody forgets minor shit or "forgets" minor shit.
Don't fuck yourself, basically, you're there to sell yourself. Also the thing thing about going to prison etc. is bullshit, most of the scare tactics are bullshit but I don't remember the details on it all enough to feel comfortable outlining it.
You're a product, not a person there.

>>34968998
>needs explanation
Kek the stereotype is true

>>34960089
>pit bull
>aggressive
Maybe it is a good idea to ban you shmucks from owning a breed you're too dumb to handle.

>>34968091
>whitest branch in the military
Fucking /pol/ shitflingers.

>>34966073
It will be uncomfortable as fuck, but yes. Just pray you're made a loader

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>join the army
>get bullied/raped/beat
>get put in with women or tranny/gay/openly communist
>accent is too uniteligble
>dont get to clean stuff
>get ass chewed out by everyone
>cant stop saying aye insteead of yes
will i get a smack for saying aye, how do i stop saying it? whats the worst thing/equipment/people in the military and how do i stay safe?
how do i avoid these dangers and how do i get over my fear of insects and almost dying but recovering? do i get to shout STOLEN VALOUR at people when i get out
>inb4 stupid questions
no one ever talks about them so how would I know?

>>34969065
just do what you are told to do, and accept that NCOs think that they are smarter than you even if they aren't

Hey guys, when I was younger I was a fucking idiot, but I want to turn my life around and join the military. My friends and I attempted to rob a bank, I have 6 assault charges, I have one attempted murder, 12 hit and runs, 17 possessions of marijuana, was drafted by the Boston Red Sox out of high school, and 2 counts of grand theft auto. Will any of these felonies keep me from getting a TS, or can I get them waived?

>>34970296
Be more subtle

>>34961941
When every second person pushing gun control and other nonsense has a name that ends in Berg, Stein or Bard, or has close ties to the ADL and other pro-Jew, anti American organization, it's kinda hard not to notice a pattern.

Anybody here dealt with a Security Clearance before? I was put on anti depressants when i was 16 and 17 im 21 now and feel fine.
If I don't tell MEPS and the investigator about this stuff and everyone I listed as a reference stays quiet or doesnt know about it how likely am I to get in?
What kind of stuff do they look for in these secuity clearances? Do they go over everything or do they just look for credit,crime, and travel out of country???
Its been my dream since I was a child to go into Spec Ops and I don't want that ruined because I had a rough patch in life...

>>34967243
So 12Bs and 19Ds get to play with explosives? Why scouts in particular?

>>34970296
>french connection tier rap sheet
join the local mafia or white and upstanding criminal organisations like Bank of America

>>34970332
Never, ever, lie to the security clearance people about anything that has been written down. Even things that haven't been written down, but are still known by people in addition to you, are not worth lying over.

They have complete access to everything. Doctor patient confidentiality is for single mothers and old people. The US Federal Government is seeing if you're a liar or not. They've seen it all before.

>Do they go over everything or do they just look for credit,crime, and travel out of country???
Crime will have come up at a far earlier stage than their checks. Credit checks are the same deal, but finance is a big one. Travel out of the country is important, but really they're not that bothered about that unless you've gone hitchhiking in Afghanistan or spent a year working for the Chinese government. They know when you entered and left the USA.

What they're trying to find out is: "Is this guy going to get blackmailed/lose stuff/leak information/sell our information?" They're finding out if you gamble. They'll ask friends of friends, who you never put down as references, what you're like when you drink. They will find out about drug use, believe me. Unless you took drugs entirely on your own in a concrete room and never told anyone. Do you cheat on your girlfriend? What kind of porn you watch, what you say about blacks/Jews/Muslims/whatever.

They will find out that you took anti depressants and they will recommend what steps to take to a group of very senior people who approve these sorts of things. Basically you're going to get shitcanned.

>>34970386
What kind of experience do you have with the military?

>>34960175
If you are going navy then ASVAB has two extra sections, code reading and memory. Overall i thought it was easy enough.
>96 master race

>>34970386
Why does the military view people like me as fuck ups? Why do they view them as people who are Columbine shooters and not just regular people who had a rough patch in their life and now feel better. Not everybody grows up in a perfect family like why the fuck do I have to suffer for this?

>>34970179
>get bullied/raped/beat
Are you planning to join the Russian Army?

>get put in with women or tranny/gay/openly communist
You sound like a whiny snowflake.

>>34970415
A lot, but even if it was zero it doesn't take a genius to figure out:

>Anti depressant usage prevents me from doing a job
>I am going for this particular job
>I have taken anti depressants
>The people employed to investigate my entire life, especially my stability and reliability, are going to find out about this
>When they do find out about it, it will be recorded
>You won't get in, or if you are in, you'll be out.

Or do you think they make exceptions because someone "feels fine"?

>>34969563
>his brother is a butterbar Ensign

man I hope his ship found this on social media

>>34970342
Route Recon/Route Clearance.

Part of a Scout's job is making sure tanks can move through an area. Destroying obstacles is a way to do that.

>>34970431
Because that's the way it is. Either go for a job requiring a lower level of clearance or forget it. You can try, but it'll be hanging over you for ever even if you do manage to get in.

The problem is, suppose they took your word for it. Then, when under stress, you flip out and harm yourself or someone else. Then, when the investigation is carried out, it turns out that someone overruled a hard and fast rule on anti-depressant usage.

I wouldn't let someone with a history of anti depressant usage, regardless of their current state, near a firearm. I especially wouldn't let them have unsupervised and unrestricted access to information.

>>34970332
>>34970386
Well, a clearance takes time to run through. If you can't even get a Secret they'll reassign you by "Needs of the Army" before you can start AIT. Which usually means cook or truck driver.

>>34970444
If it was short-term and you don't need them now you should be fine.

>>34970386
Not him but who would I list down as references for friends if I don't really have any?

>>34970464
>I wouldn't let someone with a history of anti depressant usage, regardless of their current state, near a firearm. I especially wouldn't let them have unsupervised and unrestricted access to information.
Funny you say that considering I just bought a sub compact pistol. BGC took 12 minutes and got approved.
What ever, I'm gonna go for a no clearance job. still. Thank you for replying.

>>34969307
Get ready to wait, wait and wait some more. Hope your MEPS has a pool table. Other than that, you never been to a hospital for any reason at all. Not even when you were born.

>>34970306
>German naming suffixes

>-berg, -bergen ("mountain"). Examples: Bamberg, Heidelberg, Nürnberg (Nuremberg), Königsberg ("king's mountain", now Kaliningrad), Landesbergen.

>>34970476
No you won't be.

If it states, in plain English, that a history of using anti depressants precludes you from doing the job and you lie about it at MEPS, when it comes to clearance time it will come up in the investigation and you will get dishonorably discharged or rejected.

>>34970470
Unless the reason for withholding clearance is something that also prevents you from serving, which in this case it would be.

>>34970444
If you stopped and everything is going ok, they won't care too much. But if you are still really concerned find a priest or pastor to talk to and get them as a reference to claim you found religion as a good support. Religious but depressed seems natural to most recruiters.

>>34970386
>Porn you watch

Oh Noesss. Just like OP's Picture, they found about that early then right?

>>34970483
The background check for purchasing firearms is not the same as the checks carried out for clearances.

>>34970480
Supervisors, principal if you left school recently, professors, sport coaches, religious figures. There should be a guidance form with who is suitable and who isn't.

All of those people will then pass the investigator on to others that had contact with you. They will have done this before. If there's anyone you were close to, or spent a lot of time with, at least one of those people will remember and pass their details on. Then, the same questions to them without your knowing.

>>34970513
Yeah, I know. That I'm still thankful for. I guess I could be in a worse position and not even be able to own a gun.

>>34970296
Can you find a lawyer to explain all that to the recruiter? If you say it, it'll sound a bit brazen.

>>34970296
>was drafted by the Boston Red Sox out of high school
kek

>>34970490
in 1809 jews in Germany were forced to give up patronymic surnames, so they chose city and trade names

>>34970494
Medical records aren't even looked through during an SSBI. Unless of course the investigator finds out from talking to references that you're a suicidal maniac or a paranoid schizophrenic. But for small stuff, they will call the care provider and ask one thing and one thing only: is this person able to handle classified information, and a yes or no answer is given and everyone moves on. However, you'll still have some explaining to do as to why you didn't put it down on your SF-86. Many investigators deal will recruiters telling young 18 year olds to lie. Source: I've talked to an actual OPM investigator

>>34968998
> Turned down option to go to a unit in the 18th Airborne Corps guaranteed, jump school, and more chance to see combat and go on to do higher speed shit
> AND A FUCKING 20K BONUS

> Just to be a fucking crayon eating leg

>>34969307
No means go

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Is anyone here in the Navy Reserves? What's it like? I'm a math teacher who needs some extra money for grad school.

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>>34970765
>have one of the greatest oppertunities in your career
>pass it up for literally nothing
almost like the marines WANT these kinds of people, i would eat a bowl of snakes for that bonus+ airborne shit
is it liek the police where they dont accept you if you score a high enough grade?

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>>34970816
It just blows my mind anon

>>34970765
Yeah, but I would of had to join the Army tho.

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>>34970939
>literally need no grades or qualifications to join the army
HHHhhhmmmm.....

>>34970949
>army
>airborne
isnt it like a mix of airforce and the army? who cares anyway you'd be getting 20K just for switching. or would it be 20k added to your salary? either way some guy must be so happy they asked him right after you said no

How does needing dental work done in Army basic work? Just found out I need a few fillings redone and a root canal, currently can't afford it out of pocket and was slated to slip in September. I had went in to try and get a single filling redone that fell out and how no idea about the other stuff since I am experiencing no pain or discomfort.

>>34970987
$20k is nothing. I'd have blown it on a shitty car and drinking in Vegas like any other young service guy. I didn't want to join the Army and be surrounded by minorities and idiots. Plus it was the surge, I wasn't like you kids who want SF. Regular Infantry was deploying. 03 was the way to be. Plus you fuckers are stupid, the Marines gave me a $12k bonus as a college kicker, I just never mentioned it.

So when I was on my GI Bill I got payed $450 dollars a month on top of standard BAH. Money was more helpful later in life than some dumb PFC or Lance would handle it. To answer your question about when they pay you, sometime after boot or SOI.

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>>34971032
>Americans need to join the army, because they can't afford health care

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how do people get promoted in the army? do you have to be there for a few years or can it be based on your acomplishments or both?

>>34971035
>literally dont understand a thing becaus im not american
so are you already loaded or just dumb?

>>34960175
my results page looked like a george sink commercial. the secret: don't actually take that test.

oh, sit down and answer the questions, alright, but the secret is, don't think about it. It's made to test your ability to wade through bullshit, like you'll be doing for the rest of your time in.

If you want a real test, tell them you want the DLAB

>>34971094
>I don't understand because I'm a noserve

FTFY

More than you, I'd wager.

I'm a 2nd Lieutenant in the USMC, just finished TBS. AMA.

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>>34971124
>dollars dollars muh niggs blowing my load on vegas GI shill buzzword buzzcut buzzword
Woah...so enlightened....

>>34971141
why didn't you join a proper branch like the Navy or the Army?

>>34971154
MUH

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>>34971179
REEENS

>>34970987
>isnt it like a mix of airforce and the army?
No, it means you get hurt a lot faster and more often because you keep jumping out of perfectly good airplanes, even though there hasn't been a real mass airborne operation since Korea, and a couple show jumps in Vietnam and the Gulf Wars. Airmobile Helo ops can be done with normal infantry.

>>34971032
Probably won't get it done in Basic unless they classify you Cat IV and Med Hold you in reception to get it done first, but you'll get it for sure in AIT.

>>34971072
Yeah. Our medical system is all kinds of fucked, and the party in power right now is doing everything they can to make it worse.

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>becoming an officer
so, how much people wil talk shit about me behind my back

>>34971258
Enlisted might talk shit about you if you do a shitty job. But they are scum anyway, so why care?

>>34971228
Thanks, actually doing an OSUT if that matters. How bad do you need to be to be Cat IV? I'd much rather get it done in AIT then have to go through a med hold

>>34971094
>how do people get promoted in the army? do you have to be there for a few years or can it be based on your acomplishments or both?
E1-E4 are almost entirely by time in service/time in grade, though those can be waivered for earlier promotion for merit, or delayed for misconduct. College grads get automatic enlistment at E4.

E5-E6 are through the promotion points and board system. Which is about 50% PT and weapons score, and the rest based on mostly correspondence courses and some from awards and Army schools, along with a handful from being approved by the promotion board, which is a dog and pony show.

>>34971160
Because the Marine Corps has the best dress, service, and utility uniforms. Also, the cult-like rituals and traditions are fun to be a part of.

>>34971299
Holy shit even the commissioned officers can only defend the Corps by talking about the uniform. I thought that was a terminal lance thing

>>34971295
I was at Cat III for wisdom teeth, the lowers were facing forward and in contact with the molars. Cat IV is when you need care immediately.

>>34971258
enlisted are taught to respect and obey you. If you treat them with respect they will treat you with respect even if you're a know-nothing bootenant. Look out for their welfare. Your job is to serve them. Just remember that and you will be fine. Also, be humble and ask your NCOs and SNCO for advice.

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>join the army/navy/chairforce
>its peace time
so when is korean war 2: electrci booglaoo gonna start? what does the armed forces do in peacetime anyway?

>>34971338
Why do people whove never served feel the need to post here?

Just saw a fresh pv2 call out her dad for complaining about his bum knee. Going on about how she can't stand civilians complaining about shit after she just got out of basic. All she's done is cuss and sneer at her family in public. I was in the navy a few years ago and I didn't lose respect for everyone who isn't currently enlisted, are they teaching this in the army?

>>34971335
So they let you do basic and you got it done later down the road? Is there any source stating what condition would fall into which cat or are they just the opinion of the doctor? Thanks in advance

>>34971374
>are they teaching this in the army
brit para's are tought to shitalk anyone who isnt a paratrooper ( a hat) but i dont know about the US

>>34971103
The DLAB is only for linguist testing. That is a hard ass test, passed it but turned down the job cause eyesight disqualified me from the aircrew slot.

>>34971376
Correction, there's only three levels. One is that you have a current exam and you're fine, 2 is you need treatment but it's not immediate. 3 is when it's critical or emergency.

>>34971665
So how long were you in med hold for to get that work done?

>>34971395
>brit para's are tought to shitalk anyone who isnt a paratrooper

No we weren't.

>>34971677
I was at 2, it didn't even come up until I was in for over 4 years and after a deployment. Got it done right on Wiesbaden, used it to get out of standing through a change of command.

>>34971716
HA HA! found you! tell me about the paras pls, they seem nice and i would join. why are there paratroopers and parachutists? whats the difference, why do you hate royal marines?

>>34971777
What are you talking about?

I'm in the works for joining airforce, but I can't seem to get the navy out of my head.. does the navy has as many educational programs for enlisted as the airforce does?

Do recruits have to go through the same physical at basic training like they did at MEPS? Do they get the duck walk test and butt test again or is that just at MEPS?

How do you know if your right to join the military?

I've been thinking about it for a little while, talked about it with a few people, I've watch pro military and anti military videos, it seems to me like something I'd really be able to apply myself to, but it just feels like one giant leap into unknown. How to come to terms with enlisting anxiety?

>>34971840
>in the army
>brainlet
who'dve thunk it?

>>34972173
If you want to join, join.
If you don't want to join, don't.
As for your "anxiety", suck it up.

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>tfw joining the navy
>tfw to intelligent to do anything but nuke

>>34972464
Congrats.

>>34972038
>butt test

I have some bad news

>>34972457
You're right, as you put it "time to suck it up", I've got to make something of my life, and I'm sure as shit I don't want to spend it behind a desk, I'm going to go for it, holy fuck

>>34972510
There's definitely worse things you could do than a military career.
Good luck.

>>34972464
CTN faggot, dont go nuke

>>34972464
this>>34972529 C4I2 and that are the real shit

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>>34972693
>>34972529
It's too late for me

>>34972693
>C4I2
What this? Guessing its the AF equivalent.
>>34972767
You need to fail out at NUKE school or when you meet the NUKE Master chief in boot beg him to let you switch. Both are long shots but it may be worth it cause yes nuke is that gay.

>>34972780
Command, Control, Communications, Computers, Intelligence, and Interoperability
it's a fancy word for comms, int sigint and other fancy IT shit

>>34972464
Nuke currently in A-School, I sure hope you like studying/you learn fast. Also if you want to be an MM youre a faggot.

>>34972816
Neat but is it in the AF?

>>34964170
SEPS is full of people because the process to remove them takes forever. If you're thinking about quitting, remember that the fastest way out of boot camp is to graduate

>>34972863
no, it's a general term that includes various military functions. One of those words officers like to you where every one knows what it's about, but not what it means.
basically all ship departments besides logistics, engineering and weapons

>>34970490
Germans are a whole different issue on their own and will eventually need to be dealt with as well. Genetic predisposition towards Arab semen. Many such cases!

>>34973033
>no, it's a general term that includes various military functions
Um can I ask where you heard that at? Ive literally never heard an officer use that expression before.

>>34973070
It's used in all kind of NATO documents, idk if it might not be very common term in the US. But for us it's a nice translation of Führungsunterstützung which would otherwise be command support in English which doesn't really get the point

So what's the air force like? I'm going into a medical Mos it's all I put on my list. What should I expect.

>>34972816
C4ISR Was the term I'd always heard.

Is CCT on par with the other SOF physically? They have like a 90% attrition rate so it must be hard...

>>34973477
behold the combined insanity of field officers in joined staffs

C2I – Command, Control & Intelligence
C2I – Command, Control & Information (A less common usage)[13]
C2IS – Command and Control Information Systems
C2ISR – C2I plus Surveillance and Reconnaissance
C2ISTAR – C2 plus ISTAR (Intelligence, Surveillance, Target Acquisition, and Reconnaissance)
C3 – Command, Control & Communication (Human activity focus)
C3 – Command, Control & Communications (Technology focus)
C3 – Consultation, Command, and Control [NATO]
C3I – 4 possibilities; the most common is Command, Control, Communications and Intelligence
C3ISTAR – C3 plus ISTAR
C3ISREW – C2ISR plus Communications plus Electronic Warfare (Technology focus)
C4, C4I, C4ISR, C4ISTAR, C4ISREW, C4ISTAREW – plus Computers (Technology focus) or Computing (Human activity focus)[14][15]
C4I2 – Command, Control, Communications, Computers, Intelligence, and Interoperability
C5I – Command, Control, Communications, Computers, Collaboration and Intelligence
NC2 − Nuclear command and control
NC3 − Nuclear command and control and communications

>>34969563
almost had a stroke at the left-handed salute, then i realized the picture is mirrored

>>34962893
Bahahaha Great lakes is the worst

>>34973724
You mean Great Mistakes?

>>34973495
Fitness is supposedly the easiest part of most SOF training.

>>34970444
t. neverserved

>>34973913

But the mental side is the easiest for me anon, and so I ask in the terms of relative parity in the realm of the physical....

>>34960089
just took the DLAB yesterday ,Passing score is 95 , I got 103 and the max I think is around 160.

though you only need a score of 110 to " qualify " for the the most difficult category of language.

the tests auditory segment is the 75% of the test and its most difficult aspect is that you can only listen to the answers ONCE, then choose an answer.

I took the computerized version which im sure most will. In my version ( i dont know if they switch up the auditory categories ) the first section was the worst for me but as the test goes on and you will quickly get the hang of it.

In my case the first section was identifying which word out of the four fake language words had a different stressed syllable. Im sure I got most wrong in this segment since it wasn't until later that I started to see and hear what they meant. The next 3 segments are fake language given rules that you must translate in your head, then play the audio to listen which answer was the correct one. Since each one is only said once and right after one another. I used my mouse to hover over whichever one sounded correct and skipping over which one was obviously wrong. It is easy to immediately forget which one is which and was said which way. It sounds more difficult than it is but it is definitely not easy from the get go.

Lastly my advice is simply research some videos that give SIMPLE examples of stressed syllables, what is a noun, adjective, possessor, subject. Becuase you will be given a sentence in english then have to orginzing correctly in your head apply the rules. For example : Every verb will start with " Ju " , run = Jurun, or/and a verb cant come after a subject etc.

Goodluck fellas

>>34974163
While the structure is still fresh in my mind heres an example Ill make up. of a section

Rules:

1. the subject word has an " oo " in the middle

2. Verbs start with " Ju " and cannot end in " s "

3. adjectives and their nouns must end with the same vowel. Adjectives and thei nouns can only end in " a " or " u"


Sentence: The perfect Glock blows up.

Correct translation: The perfectu Glooocku jublow up.

( when you listen to the Answer audio for each letter , the words can be in any order as its specified they do NOT have to follow english sentence structure IE: The Glooocku jublow up perfectu ; could also be correct since it fits the rules )


Now that you have the translation In your head, you listen to the answers and try to pick the one that sounds the most correct.

The last audio section is similar to this but with a couple more rules I think. The last section is picture-word association. you are shown some pictures of things that are given fake language words, then also on the screen are pictures without their word, you must deduce their word using the context of the above pictures.

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Are Women really better at intelligence than men?

>>34974484
what?

>>34974501

Are females better spies than males?

>>34974484
"Honey pot" is tried and true. If they're not better than men at collecting Intel, they're certainly just as much of an asset.
>t. guy who knows nothing about espionage

>>34974520
>women are only good at variations of being whores

really gets the noggin joggin

>>34974480
also, you cannot see the answers, only the letters, when the audio is played you hear each letter's phrase in succession, then you choose

>>34974520
>>34974536
>>34974514
Women can ruin even the best men with that wet slit between their legs. Look at Peggy Shipped. Accounts differ, but the general consensus is she took a man who would have been the most revered American besides George Washington and turned him into the most infamous traitor in human history. Referring to Benedict Arnold of course. He was honeypotted. The entire thing was dramatized great in the recent AMC show that just ended.

>>34974853
Shippen* auto correct

Please tell me the truth, did I just get royally fucked or not?

I enlisted into the Marine Corps DEP a few days ago, and I was told by my recruiter and the MEPS lady that I would be signing a "temporary open contract", and that later on, I would sign the actual contract with one of the top three MOS I asked for, and he said that everyone goes through this. They gave me the ship date which is quite a while away, and I made it very clear to the recruiter that I wanted to make sure he wasn't fucking me over with an open contract when I signed my MOS forms before going to MEPS. Is this really standard procedure, or did I get fucked big time? And if I did, is there a way I can reverse before leaving for basic? I'm looking at what I think is my contract (dd form 4) and I don't see any mention of an mos, ship date, or mention of being in an open contract.

>>34970386
Nigger, if they could have found out about the porn I watch I'd be in prison. These people are not omniscient.

Anybody here know a guy who passed recon BRT? Any tips for me who wants to get into that kinda thing?

>>34975049
What, 19D? I did, but that was way back when it was at Knox, not Benning.

>>34975096
I'm talking marine recon

>>34974868
if its active duty, you are not obligated to do ANYTHING ( you can walk away ) until you're at Basic training.

>>34974868
when's your ship date? a lot of people get fucked in this exact way (if you do i maintain that you're fucking retarded for letting it happen though)

>>34974484

99 % of intel nowadays is tech based in some form, and has nothing to do with talking to people or being attractive. That's why the intelligence field is actually mostly basement autists, not sexy spy types from the movies.

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I didn't know that you couldn't have a waiver with an 11x(option 40) so i'm going to go option 4. If I make a good showing at permanent party and push myself whens the earliest I could go to RASP??

>>34971341
depends on your job. my job is to fix computer n shit. people keep breaking them so i have plenty to do

>>34975383
I know that, but I'd rather that be my last resort if all else fails

>>34975437
My ship date is next year, so I should have enough time to correct this, if possible, right?

>>34974868
Also, I'm starting to see conflicting answers to this. Some people say that I just got fucked by a 60 inch cactus, while others say this is standard procedure and nothing to worry about, and others say that I'm kinda fucked but I still have a chance. So which is it?

>>34976307
Any contract that doesn't have a strict "you'll get this" is a "needs of the service" contract that'll put you somewhere you probably don't want to be.

>>34976394
Right, however I was told that in order to get into the DEP, my contract would be open contract, and that later in a couple weeks or months I would sign another contract that would include my MOS in writing, and that this contract will override the open contract I signed when I swore into the DEP. I want to know if this is bullshit or not.

>>34976460
Is it written in your contract that you'll get to sign a nother contract? No? Then all that HAS to happen is what you've already signed.

Also, any AF recent BMT grads? Getting rumors from my guard unit that phone use is getting lax and they are giving you 72 hours before they start yelling at folks.

>>34976460
NEVER believe anything the recruiter says unless it's on the contract.

>>34976481
>>34976505
Don't you also sign another contract on the day when you ship off to basic? Wouldn't the contract then have my MOS listed? Because if that's not the case, then fuck me...

>>34976637
I also want to clarify that this is the marine corps I'm talking about. I don't know if it's different with the corps because I hear it's the only branch in which your mos is not guaranteed, only the field.

>>34973608
are you retarded?

>>34976637
>Don't you also sign another contract on the day when you ship off to basic?
Nope.

I took a trip to MEPS in 2006 to sign the contract with my MOS on it, went back to MEPS in 2007 to leave for TRADOC.

You're gettin' got son.

>>34974484
>Solely movies inform my perspective of the world.

>>34975958
>99 % of intel nowadays is tech based in some form

Wrong.

Technical collections do make up a significant portion of collections as technical platforms have improved over time. HUMINT is still important for providing context to technical collections, and if you've ever actually sat down and read traffic it is not 99% technical collections.

>>34977011

You're wrong, but if you're not in the know enough to understand why you're wrong then it isn't worth arguing with you about.

>>34976970
Is that for all branches though? I keep hearing that the "contract" you sign on shipping day is the important one, at least for the marine corps. I remember that at MEPS they told all of us that we would sign another contract on shipping day unless we were national guard or something, I don't remember.

Was supposed to ship out last week for ft Jackson then to huachuca as a 15E. Got dq'd at meps for exzema but it's cleared up now. The job counselor there renegotiated my contract into a 19D and now I'm shipping the 35th of September. What are the chances of me getting fucked again? Should I get a waiver from a dermatologist or wait for them to get me a consultation?

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>>34960295
Pls respond so I do not have to shit up future threads begging for answers.
Spooked because I have heard horror stories of people feeling "anxiety" for acute injuries, and having MEPS count it as a General Anxiety Disorder diagnosis or other such shit.

>>34967635
Yes

How gay is the Navy?

>>34977667
Average highschool locker room

>>34977969

That's like super gay bro.

t. cross country runner

>>34978089
>Absolutely abhorred any gay activities prior to joining the Navy
>3 months after bootcamp I'm trying to shove fingers up my own ass
Yeah this checks out.

>>34960626
> You won't be driving for at least a good year
I was driving literally the week I got out of OSUT anon, what Army are you in?
>>34966073
It'll suck dick because of your height, but you can. I'm only 5'9" and I felt crushed when a tanker let me look inside an Abrams

Does anybody know what kind of time commitment pilots in the ANG have? I was wondering whether it would be possible to join after college, go through flight training and first deployment, and then go to grad school during the rest of my contract. I'm in California fwiw

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So im 18 and i'm going to be a freshman in college. I'm thinking about enlisting into the Marines, but idk if doing so before, during, or after a 4 year college would be a good idea. Also, would it be a good idea to exercise before enlisting?

>>34977127
>You're wrong
Lol sure thing friendo. I guess all those HUMINT IIRs have just disappeared from the face of the Earth.

>>34978164
I'm 5'11" and Brads aren't that bad in the driver seat or the turret.

On the negative you're stuck in a Brad.

>>34978491
>"If I'm out of shape should I get in shape for a physical job?"
I dunno you tell me.

>>34978574
I'm not necessarily out of shape. I hiked mountains with my friends every summer and love to play football in high school. I'd say that I am fit, but am I fit enough?

>>34978606
>but am I fit enough?
For a regular PT test?

If you're a high school athlete probably.

>>34978606
How many crayons can you chew before getting cramps in your jaw?

>>34960993
Even if they pass you, if you need a security clearance. The'll find this post in your computer history and kick your ass out. You're fucked, senpai.

If I had to get a medical waiver for my poor vision then am I barred from going airborne or any other high speed shit?

>>34978875
Can confirm. I tried for a security clearance a while back and not 3 days after I submitted the SF86 there was a Delta team busting down my door. They took me to a blacksite and tortured me for weeks until I confessed to a tweet from an alt account (wasn't connected to my real identity at all) making a joke about Obama being from Kenya.

If you've had any improper thoughts once in your entire life OPM WILL FIND OUT!

>>34978766
Everyone knows that answer is entirely dependant upon the flavor.

Why hasn't the US military defeated the Jody menace yet?

>>34979419
He's 6'4, has access to all of our Cadillacs, and has Suzy to boot.

He's nigh invulnerable.

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>>34974868
>>34976394
Just consulted with my 03 friend: he's fucking you.

Walk away from it. You can back out any time before signing the final contract. Contact another recruiter.

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>>34979521
Pic for reference.

>>34979135
Memes aside, what can the OPM find out. Reddit and the occasional anon here make it seem like they're the secret police.

>>34980108
I'll let you know in a few months when my review finishes.

How frequent are games of grab ass in the Marines?

Bogpill me on 35M HUMINT Collector

>>34980251
Very. Marines are the biggest non-gay homos I have ever seen.

>>34980297
Am I guaranteed at least getting dry humped twice per deployment?

>>34980108

They can find out quite a lot, especially if they're doing an intensive investigation. You sign over the right for them to poke into all sorts of records if they want to

It's not a big deal though, there's almost nothing that will actually stop you from getting a clearance unless you lie about stuff. If you're not in debt and not actually planning the downfall of the US government, just being upfront about everything will get you through the clearance process 99 % of the time.

>>34974868

this is completely normal. this happens when you join the DEP and will be called and told you have to go back to MEPs to actually sign your contract before you ship. You can sign all the paperwork you want and even go to ship out, but you haven't begun your contract until you physically arrive at boot camp. Any time before then you can simply just say, nah fuck off, and walk away. Your recruiter will lie to you and say you are in a binding agreement- but that's just because he won't get credit for you until you ACTUALLY ship and arrive at boot. Did you do the oath of enlistment? That's a non binding oral brainwashing that exists solely to try to keep kids commited from backing out from the time they first go to MEPs till the day they ship. don't stress, kiddo

>>34960491
"Will I get to kill shit?"
>"Yes"
"K"

When you ship for Army BCT are you just weighed at MEPS or do you get weighed at the training facility? I'm right on the line and just wanted to make sure,

Is being an Officer in the Army actually worth it?

>>34980911
What Army?

I'd rather be an officer in the air force but I also masturbate to traps so hey what do I know

>>34981001
The US army

>>34962838
a bachelor's is fine though it depends on GPA,
Apply as soon as you can, takes 5ever to get accepted, especially for the few SEAL slots.
a few guys had masters degrees , it does help if your bachelors sucks

>>34970806
depends on the rate. they might send you overseas for augmentee shit, usually happens to reservists

>>34971969
what does the AF have?
Navy has tuition assistance so you can get schooling in, navy college and navy cool for certifications

>>34971374
Armys full of shitbags

>>34980882
Unless things have changed in the last ten years TRADOC doesn't give a shit about height/weight they just care if you can pass the APFT. I didn't even know height/weight was a fuckin thing until I got out of AIT.

>>34961799
It depends on the path you take. The fuckos care way too much about their academy. 9/10 pilot slots go to fags from the AFA. I didn't want to deal with that bullshit and risk getting stuck at a job I'd hate (ie every non-pilot job in the Air Force) so I gave up my AFROTC scholarship and my school's AROTC program was practically begging to contract me.

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hey!
how's it going?

nearly twenty-three years old ethiopian here. i've reached a crossroad in my life where i really have to decide if i want to pursue my childhood dreams of becoming a soldier (grandfather was a soldier under the monarchy & the derg era, was a military attaché to south-korea) or travel to england for my masters degree in financial economics. i don't really envision myself as being able to lead an average joe lifestyle as i am an easily bored thrill seeker that despises all things permanent.
that said, the ethiopian army nor the air force is no longer what it was at the time of my grandfather, so i really have no other choice than to look elsewhere for my enlistment. as of now, i'm considering joining the foreign legion (i speak french fluently) but both the israeli military (i can gain admission by claiming that i am a felasha jew) and the us military (thinking of making use of the naturalization through military service program) are on the table.
so, which one do you lot recommend i try out for?
thanks for reading my blog

>>34981102
When do they give you the APFT, when you get there or to graduate?

>>34981127
>us military (thinking of making use of the naturalization through military service program) are on the table.

Unless you've already got a US greencard, this probably isn't going to happen.

>>34981232
correct, but a united states green card is easy to get hold of. especially when you're immigrating from an east african country.
>travel to the us on tourist visa
>claim asylum (muh dictatorship and whatnot)
>???
>win
almost all of my childhood friends have since gotten their greencards after traveling there for their undergraduate degree.

>>34981360

Best case scenario as an asylum-seeker you're looking at a 2-3 process to get a green card after you arrive in the US. Then probably at least another year from there to being able to earn citizenship via enlistment.

If this is something you want to do, you should probably have started yesterday.

>>34981394
that's fine, i'm in no hurry to get my legs blown off, haha! but on a more serious note, it never has been a priority for me to gain us citizenship. it's just another stepping stone that will hopefully give me the necessary clearance to become a soldier, or better yet a fighter pilot.
couldn't care less if it was the senegalese military that i was serving in as long as i make squad marksman or fighter pilot. this might sound ignorant of me to say that i'm not really inclined with the ideals of a country whose military i'm serving in, but i can't be the only one. i'm sure that there are many other who'd follow suit.
so, fingers crossed, i'd be on my way to *insert name of next country that america has decided to spread democracy in* three or fours years from now.

also, why doesn't the foreign legion update it's gear? it's almost as if they're setting their soldiers up for failure.

>>34981536

If you want to be a fighter pilot that's going to be an even longer trek with a lot of pitfalls.

>also, why doesn't the foreign legion update it's gear? it's almost as if they're setting their soldiers up for failure.

Military gear is much less about what is most effective on an individual basis, and much more about what is cost-effective to supply and maintain across an entire force. If it's anything like the US, there's also undoubtedly a political element involved.

>>34981212
>When do they give you the APFT, when you get there or to graduate?

We took the 1/1/1 assessment when I got to basic (1 minute push up, 1 minute sit up, 1 mile run). Then a couple of weeks before we finished we took the full APFT. This was 2007 so they were still pushing people through but it was supposed to be required to go from basic to AIT. When I got to AIT we didn't take the APFT until a couple of weeks before we were supposed to graduate.

Then I had to take an APFT as soon as I got to my unit where I found out they gave a shit about height/weigh even if you were good on the APFT.

>>34982308
>Then I had to take an APFT as soon as I got to my unit where I found out they gave a shit about height/weigh even if you were good on the APFT.
Ate like shit on leave?

I'm in my senior year of college and realizing weeks before taking the LSAT that I don't really want to be a lawyer anymore. I really just wanted to use a law degree as a tool to work for a federal law enforcement agency anyway. But law school is 3 more years of not doing any cool shit, and I think it's high time I get to do some cool shit in my life.

Which US branch has the most cool shit for officers to do? Was thinking navy because I love the ocean but I don't want to mess up on a test somewhere and be stuck in an engine room sweating balls for years either

>>34982807
For Navy you need to be accepted into the community before going to OCS so you know which designator you're getting. Any you're interested in?
Since you're thinking of the ocean and being on a ship you might be leaning towards SWO. It's a surface ship officer, you don't get a choice of where they stick you in on a ship though, might be engine room or weapons. Hours are awful and being on a ship sucks, never be a SWO

>>34982846
>Any you're interested in?
There isn't an officer recruiter in my town, so I stopped by the enlisted recruiter to try to get some information but he just kept trying to get me to dual process and telling me about nuke school, so I don't actually know a lot about Navy officer jobs yet.

But I've been researching aviation positions and they seem rad, even if I don't actually get to do the flying. I also want to take the DLAB and see how I do.

>being on a ship sucks
Damn son

>>34982308
I'm looking at Airborne and what I'm seeing says 70+ in each part of the APFT to qualify. So which APFT is going to determine whether I get to go to Jump School? The one at the end of Basic or the AIT test?

>>34982922
well officers only fly or ride bitch. DLAB is enlisted which isn't bad either, could go linguist or CTN but those also owe 5-6 years
don't ever go Nuke

>>34982975
Is SWO really that bad? How much dick would I have to suck to get onto a bridge?

Am I shooting myself in the foot by trying for force recon, maybe socom later as an enlisted at 22?

I get a lot of mixed feedback, the biggest is the competition to rank up as infantry.

>>34983183
You're shooting yourself in the foot by not going Army, yea. Your age isn't an issue, especially not when you can get RASP/SFAS in your contract.

>>34983363
So assuming I super tryhard my cardio, its unlikely ill get kicked out?

>>34960215
>Are you a jock?
>If so, you'll probably like the Marines.

Jocks fail harder and more frequently in the Marine Corps than they do any other branch. Their fragile ego's can't cope with going from the top of the pecking order where everyone sucks your dick to being yelled at like they're less than garbage. Ironically it is the average normally unimpressive man or even the ones who were bullied in school who find the most success in the Marine Corps because their egos and self esteem have a shorter distance to fall to. When I was in Bootcamp it was not the weak manlet who broke first it was in fact the highschool quarterback star of the football team who was the first to have an emotional breakdown and he never fully recovered.

>>34983404
I mean it's not easy, but neither is going MARSOC. Difference is you don't have to put up with 4 years of junior enlisted marine bullshit first.

>>34960466
>The PFT for the Marines is by no means "rigorous" if you are even moderately in shape.

There is "passing" and then there is making a high score. 3 miles in 18 minutes, 25 pullups, and 115 crunches in 2 minutes is bronze god levels of fitness compared to other branches.

>Word is that they're actually renovating a lot of the older barracks.

This has been the word for the past 20 years. IF it is happening, it is happening at such a slow pace as to not even be noticeable. The last barracks I stayed in we were told to try not to move the floor tiles because they had asbestos in them. Their solution was to give us floor rugs to make it harder to accidentally move the tiles.

>>34983092
Different guy
Being a SWO si fucking easy. Its hard compared to other officer jobs cause of how little officers actually do but compared to the enlsited on a ship a SWO is a joke.

>>34983092
better hope that position is open when the ship is offered to you

Sophomore at Duke and joining marines as an officer, not in rotc but doing plc this summer, any tips?

>>34984176
>joining marines as an officer
>You'll never really be part of the brotherhood
>You'll always be the asshole who kills all the joy of being a marine
just prep for that or enlist

>>34984281
I mean I'm pr set on being an officer rip. I know that bad officers can make the experience absolute shit for enlisted but good officers can be pr common too. At least I heard so from some Vietnam marine recon guy rip

>>34981114
>and my school's AROTC program was practically begging to contract me.
I'm bored
story?

>>34982603
>Ate like shit on leave?
Nope. I was just never able to get below 210 and for my height and age the max weight before tape was 189 even though I was perfectly fine on APFT.

>>34982929
>So which APFT is going to determine whether I get to go to Jump School?

Whatever the one is right before you go to BAC. In the Army generally you're only as good as your last APFT. Unless you're deployed and can actually do your job competently, then that matters too.

>>34983404
>So assuming I super tryhard my cardio, its unlikely ill get kicked out?

Keep in mind that with SFAS you can just not get selected even if you go into the extended scale on the APFT, you can ruck like a machine, and your land nav is on point. You could just not be a good fit from the perspective of the evaluators and be asked to come back another time.

If you're a cunt you'll probably get hazed until you're ground down and get dropped for failure to maintain standards or just want to quit at Ranger Regiment.

>>34984176
Do you pick your MOS before or after OCS?

>>34983526
I knew the 25 pull up figure was bullshit (perfect score was 20), so I went and researched it. Apparently Marines can do push ups now instead, lmao.

>>34984176
marineocs.com, the shit never really changes. It's been 95% the same for the last 50 years.

Just know, compared to some of the other branch's officer programs, Marines have a pretty high attrition rate. My class was close to 50% but it's dependent on a lot of factors. It's a risky use of your time.

>>34984531

You don't really pick shit. The platoon commander stresses that you are a Marine and nothing else. You get a wishlist but that's good for dick unless you are top of your TBS.

>>34984571
Thanks for the advice

>>34984571
If I go the OCS route, will I still be able to participate in games of grab ass?

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>All of these junior enlisted and freshly minted E-5s talking so much shit about how being an officer is easy
>Assert that officers don't know shit about the hands on part of the military and how it makes them bad officers, it should just be a promotion from enlisted, blah blah blah
>They maybe have responsibility for four people and can barely handle the paperwork and leadership requirements for that
>A freshly minted O-1 has the same responsibility level as an SNCO with 20+ years experience just to start with
>Your job even as a field grade officer is administration and leadership with maybe just a bit of field work thrown in

How is it that people who have enough information to know better than to assume an incorrect conclusion stick to it religiously regardless? Does it make them feel better?

>>34985071
You've never served or youre in ROTC and already dick riding yourself.

>>34984967
Sure. Officer side the Marines is just as much of a gay self pretentious cult. Only difference is they've had four years to party at college so they do slightly less of it than enlisted who are away from home for the first time.

Does anyone know if it's possible to get a Ph.D while an officer in the Navy, but not at either the NPS or the USUHS? My dream is to fly and then go into academia.

>>34985422
>My dream of getting my ass grabbed and being shot at will soon come true

>>34985500
Do you mean in an official navy capacity? Not sure but you can certainly do it on your own free time.

>>34985516
Either way. My thinking is that I obviously won't be able to fly for 20 years, so it would make more sense to fly as long as I can, then get a PhD from Uncle Sam and start my career in academia at either the NPS or USNA. Would it be possible to get out after 8 years, get the degree, the join back up?

>>34984571
Just curious, what were the primary reasons for candidates to drop out/ get sent home, also about what percentage of candidates who made it to the end received a commission offer?