Whats the best caliber for pistol caliber carbines? Ive been

9x19mm

If money was no object I'd say 10mm for the power but 9mm is WAY more common

>>34950368
I'm a huge faggot for 10mm, but 9mm or 9x25 dillon is probably your best bet. If only just for the availability of 9mm.

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>>34950368
This is such a fun gun to use in PUBG. I actually like the burst fire on it.

>>34950368
5.7mm

.45 if you plan to use it with a suppressor.
9mm Luger for cheap gun food.
Or whatever suits YOUR needs.
It really depends on what you want to use it for.

9mm.

Cheapest, lightest, highest capacity, most pleasant recoil, still hits hard as fuck out of a 16" barrel especially with defensive loads, and is the best suppressor host with subsonics.

Anything else is objectively wrong unless you want it for funsies or something specialized.

>>34950368
.30 mauser

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>>34950565
>.45 with a suppressor
I like this plan.

>>34950565
147 gr 9mm is subsonic and quieter than 45 due to less gas

>>34950576
Anything beyond 10" is basically wasted length

Look up ballistics by the inch

>>34950621
You might want to look again there boss.

>>34950496
Take your video gun stats somehwere else.

>>34950644
You gain like 7% energy going from 10 to 16 inches. It's nothing when you compare it to an actual rifle round or something like 357

>>34950703
And conversely going from 16" to 10" costs you 7% muzzle energy, $200 and eight months of waiting. I'll go 16".

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>>34950644
40 fps difference from 10-16 on the federal jhp

>>34950719
Or build a pistol you fucking idiot

>>34950743
>implying the rule nazis will let me shoulder the brace when I play with it at 2gun

>>34950733
You're correct.

>>34950749
The ATF specifically stated its totally fine to shoulder a brace

>>34950750
3.5% difference
9mm does not hit any harder as you claim

>>34950772
Bitch nigger what part of you're correct do you not understand

>>34950599
>not 7.62 tok

>bought M&P 15
>boring, not really too interested in it
>maybe I should get a PCC
>evos are cool, but probably like $800 after I doll it up, can't even shoulder it, need to invest in magazines
>9mm ar's are more expensive than regular AR's so what's the point, plus higher chance of parts breakags
>556 ar pistol made with mid tier parts probably cheaper than a evo, but less interesting and no folder, ammo not as cheap as 9mm
>CX4 storm is neat and not awfully priced, but unthreaded barrel, and is kinda eh
>Hi point 995 $200 and does everything a cx4 does, but is absolutely cancerous looking and redball mags stick out a mile since lol singlestack
I wish they just still made the original 995's, I'd buy one for the [N A T U R A L S E L E C T I O N] aesthetic

>>34950766
They changed their minds.

>>34950785
I thought you were being a snarky ACKSHUALLY dickhead
Mybad

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>>34950838
Its fine again

>>34950838
And they changed again saying its okay

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>>34950835
Buy all of them. Still a work in progress

>>34950835
There is so much wrong in this post it hurts

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>>34950873
Feel free to go into detail of what is wrong, I'm waiting.

>>34950860
>>34950865
Interesting. It's still not super clear though
>If … the shooter/possessor takes affirmative steps to configure the devise for use as a shoulder stock— for example, configuring the brace so as to permanently affix it to the end of a buffer tube, (thereby creating a length that has no other purpose than to facilitate its use as a stock), removing the arm-strap, or otherwise undermining its ability to be used as a brace – and then in fact shoots the firearm from the shoulder using the accessory as a shoulder stock, that person has objectively ‘redesigned’ the firearm for purposes of the NFA.

>>34950885
Hence the geriatric fucks who care if your rifle is 922r compliant and give you the stink eye for the rest of the day if you refuse to prove it are still gonna be up your ass if that brace touches your shirt.

>>34950615
its also expensive and harder to find

might as well shoot .45

>>34950884
You CAN shoulder Evos, pistol ARs DONT have a higher rate of breakage, and the rest I your bad opinion

>>34950866
Finally got my own sterling in tokky, 9mm barrel I picked up runs great as well. SBR paperwork goes out this week.

>>34950885
It is though
Its states you can shoulder it so long as you don't modify it so it can no longer be used as a brace

>any board in this shithouse
>having a consensus on anything
Shiggy

That being said the answer is 10mm, 357sig, and 5.7 loaded to the hottest pressure that won't kaboom your gun.
But the better answer is get a SBR in an intermediate cartridge. PCCs were invented in the early 20th century because firearm technology sucked. It's been over a century now. Get current technology. Using a PCC is like using a typewriter and claiming it is comparable to a smart phone.

>>34950368
.357 Sig, obviously.

>>34950931
No, not really. The letter states
>To the extent the January 2015 Open Letter implied or has been construed to hold that incidental, sporadic, or situational ‘use’ of an arm-brace (in its original approved configuration) equipped firearm from a firing position at or near the shoulder was sufficient to constitute ‘redesign,’ such interpretations are incorrect and not consistent with ATF’s interpretation of the statute or the manner in which it has historically been enforced.
So the letter says that merely incidentally, sporadically, or situationally shouldering an arm brace that has not been modified is not enough to constitute manufacturing an SBR. It also says that modifying an arm brace to make it easier to shoulder definitely makes an SBR.
What the letter DOES NOT EXPLICITLY SAY is that buying and installing an unmodified arm brace for the primary purpose of shouldering it is legal. Now obviously they won't be able to prove that you bought something primarily to shoulder.

>>34950934
Yeah because massive muzzle blast, increased weight, higher recoil, and a larger gun is totally what you want when filling the role of the PCC
You know why PCCs have made a come back in the last few years?
Because people realized pistol calibers with good hollow points are more than effective at taking down lone attackers and/or small groups, which is realistically the only thing you or anyone here will ever face short of paper on the range
And even more so, who the fuck cares about combat effectiveness
99% of the people here have never and will never see combat and most just want something fun for the range

>>34950919
>pistol ARs DONT have a higher rate of breakage
Short barrel AR's have less dwell time and it causes more wear. But that is besides the point because I said 9mm AR's you mongoloid. They are known to break shit like bolt releases.

>You CAN shoulder Evos
When I say PCC I mean (((pistol))) with (((brace))).

>and the rest I your bad opinion


The only subjective opinion there is the Hipoint/cx4 storm comparison, the rest of it is simply facts.

>>34950959
They're just leaving it open so they don't fuck themselves into a corner
If they said it was explicitly legal, then shouldering a normal stock would be legal too

>>34950973
>If they said it was explicitly legal, then shouldering a normal stock would be legal too
No, that's not how it works.

>>34950962
So get a heavier buffer and an adjustable block

>bolt releases
Oh no that $2 part

I am aware

>>34950961
OP didn't ask what was fun. I think muzzleloaders and air rifles are fun.
OP asked what was effective stupidfuck.

And honestly, if you can't add an extra few pounds to your gear, cant handle the """recoil""" of an intermediate round, I sincerely hope you consider suicide for the betterment of mankind.

>>34950980
Yeah it is
>you can buy this part with explicit intent to shoulder it
>well then that means I can buy a normal stock to shoulder it because what's the difference

Its a lawsuit waiting to happen

>>34950959
>it's ok to situationally shoulder
They don't define what that means, so have fun.

>"Judge, the defendant was shouldering his arm brace in a manner that was not situational."
The ATF doesn't give a fuck, nobody will ever be prosecuted because their brace touched their shoulder.

>>34950992
Then why aren't you using a 308 FAL pistol or G3 pistol?
Why aren't you shooting 308 exclusively
Why are you wasting tine with 5.56?

>>34950992
>retard boy doesn't know why lighter weight and less recoil is a good thing

Gear queers need to get the fuck out

>>34950998
No the definition could be made more about the design of the part rather than the intention of the user. It would make a lot more sense this way actually.
>>34951007
>They don't define what that means, so have fun.
They don't define what it means, but this letter was a private letter to SB Tactical rather than an open letter and it isn't necessarily legally binding.
>The ATF doesn't give a fuck, nobody will ever be prosecuted because their brace touched their shoulder.
This is probably true, but it's still not a satisfying declaration on the part of the ATF.

>>34951008
Not him, but .308 out of a barrel under 16" loses a lot of its effectiveness. 5.56 with a good load is still effective out of shorter barrels.

And I know it's ugly as sin, but does anyone have experience with one of these?

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/component/virtuemart/shipping-pistols/chiappa-ak-9-pistol-detail.html?Itemid=0

From what I've read, they're built well (built in romania by cugir, imported by Chiappa), and I recently was given a few 20 and 30-round beretta mags, so obviously I need a gun to use them with, and I don't have much interest in any of beretta's pistols.

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.460 s&w mag. Because the ability to fire all .452 diameter rounds gives flexibility from target shooting to bringing down a cape buffalo.

>>34951040
Classic also has some LEO trade-in CX4s, but they're more expensive than the PAK-9, and I'd rather buy new.

>>34950685
>(You)

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>>34950368
Pistol Caliber Carbines are amazingly fun plinkers, so if cost is an object, I will suggest 9mm Luger because it's real cheap and hicap mags are common and reliable.

That said, .40S&W isn't actually shabby from a rifle barrel, and not to talk about 10mm Auto or .45ACP, which will feel pretty hefty, I theorize you could maybe even make use out of the longer barrel with some handloading.

>>34950621
Hey, we'd all like proper length Uzi and MP5 clones without special paperwork, even better with a fun switch, but a lot would end up having to settle for 16" barrels or 'pistols'.

>>34950719
Well, you can get a """pistol""" and put a "brace" on it, and that won't count as an SBR.
Though it depends on if you want a proper stock and also a VFG.
Pic related is a Zenith, it's a 9mm MP5 clone made in Pakistan, pretty decent quality for the price (cheaper than H&K fanboy premiums), made on H&K tooling, they offer these 'arm braces' as an option on the pistol variants, which one could perhaps use like a stock, without the pistol becoming an SBR or anything being illegal. There are a bunch of variants, some that can fold, like some sort of stock.

>>34951040
Not the point I was making
He said a little more recoil and weight doesn't matter
So why aren't his ARs 20 inch 308s?

And 308 is still more effective even with the velocity loss

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>>34950962
>Short barrel AR's have less dwell time
Use an appropriate buffer, Colt solved that issue decades ago when they first developed their SMG, and the market has since improved on it further.

>>34951189
Yeah and the mp5 sbtac brace looks just like the normal stock

And Zeniths are Turkish, fag

>HK tooling

When will this completely machine illiterate meme ever end

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>>34950766

>>34951244
>Zeniths are Turkish
Let's be honest, is there really any difference between Turks and Pakis?

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>>34951244
>When will this completely machine illiterate meme ever end
>factory that set up with help from HK and is licenced by HK using HK technical data making HK pattern guns since like 1960

>>34951258
POF and MKE are both HK licenced plants so I doubt there is that much difference.

>>34951357
Its irrelevant who's machines they are
You could hand Century HK tooling and they'd still fuck it up
You could hand PTR the INSAS tooling and it would actually come out good
Its about who's running the machine, not the machines owner

>>34951394
I don't think Century would be also getting the HK technical data packages and be able to be a licenced by HK considering how incompetent they are.

>>34951394
Yet the build quality of the two seem just fine.

>>34950368
.460 rowland or .500 mag

>>34950615
147gr, depending on ammo manufacturer and variation, and environmental factors is spotty or completely supersonic in barrels longer than 4.5 or 5"

>>34951480
Port the barrel for an integrated suppressor, H&K style.

>>34951480
Confirmed for no can

>>34950368
7.62x25mm is the ultimate PDW caliber. Too bad it never got updated.

>>34951654
9mm is better

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>>34950928
I love mine. 9mm barrel and tok barrel too. Tok pistol barrel just because. No plans with it.

>>34953112
Haha yeah apex sent me a 9mm pistol barrel for free too, couldn't do shit with it if I wanted to but neat all the same

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>>34951244
Not all of them