Military Surplus Firearms - /msg/

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The 1" increase in length of pull feels a world of difference. Excited to try shooting it now.

>>34904818

>>34942857

Can't wait until Labor Day week. Hopefully my funs from RIA will be here, I'm gonna spend most of a day just cleaning and taking pics of most of my funs.

>>34943217

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Previous thread here
>>34904818
Special thanks to Anon for making one while I was at work

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Bully me for my shit taste

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Pawn shop has what they claim is a polish mosin. I dont know much aboit them but this looked pristine, i honestly cant tell if its been refurbished or not. I think they were asking 350.


Unrelated but can anyone point me towards tbe following: enfield clips, mosin clips, type 38 clips(did they even use clips) and a type 38 sling. Thanks.

>>34943351

Liberty Tree has Enfield and Mosin clips, they're out of stock on Type 38 clips though.

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>>34943351
It's a Polish-made M44. They are often found in excellent condition; whether that's because they went generally unissued or because the Poles did really good jobs refurbishing them IDK, but people pay a lot for them. I think $350 is a decent price; I've seen them go as high as $600 for an all-matching pristine example.
>type 38 clips(did they even use clips)
Of course. I'm told Swedish Mauser 6.5x55 clips work OK; I have one original T38 charger so IDK how they compare.
>and a type 38 sling.
eBay or various forum WTS/WTT boards; I got my repro one from mrnambu on Gunboards.

>>34943305
Is that a 96/11 or a 1911 rifle?

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>>34943422
I got some enfield clips from them but none work right. Theyre all super tight and mare tbe brass loading/unloading them. Pushing them into the magazine may as well be impossible. Did they get mkre mosin clips, last time i checked they were out.
>>34943449
That would make sense i guess. Heres another shitty picture. If its there after my vacation i may grab it. Id like a more normal mosin to compare to my m39.
I figured clips for the type 38 were gonna be a pain in the ass to find. How do you like yours? I hate the sights on mine and the trigger is terrible but its fun to handle and looks pretty.

>>34943449
>>34943351

I REALLY want an M44, I wish my local stores had one for $350 in that shape.

>>34943493
>>34943498
My bad, it was 400. I just checked the picture again. Why do you want an m44? Theyre kind of cool but they look so goofy, Something about the proportions.

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>>34942857

>>34943466
1911

>>34943498
I wish the stores around me had anything like that selection, I can only really ever find one milsurp rifle per store, and most of them are way too overpriced to seriously consider buying.

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>>34943351
>>34943498
My pristine Hungarian one was $350

>>34943522
M44s are fun shooters. They were typically sighted in with the bayonet fixed so if you shoot with with folded you'll likely be off on windage.

the extra weight from the bayo can be annoying at times, but hey - it makes it look mean.

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>>34943493
>sporterized, sporterized, sporterized, sporterized...
Did they spare the Vetterli-Vitali at least?

>How do you like yours? I hate the sights on mine and the trigger is terrible but its fun to handle and looks pretty.
Mismatched school rifle that bulges cases and pierces primers and a muzzle that will swallow a T38 cartridge to the case lip. But it's like 5' long and from 1909, so I love it. Sights are pretty ass; as bad as most Mauser sights.

>>34943466
96/11s have a modified stock, you can see where they spliced on the semi pistol grip on them.
If it's one piece then it's a G11

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>>34943351
I've heard you can use Swedish Mauser clips for the Type 38

is milsurp a poorfag option or not!?!

is there ANYTHING poor people can buy?

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>>34943739
This cost me $175.

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>>34943609
Nope. I check the milsurp rack every time i go in there. At most 2 rifles are this time it was that one and a hex 91/30 they wanted 300 for. All of the sporters have been there for ar least 4 months. Theyve got 3 krags that have been there for over a year.
While were talking about 38s any idea how i can pop this spring back up? I took everhthing apart and cant get to it from inside the stock. The retaining band is snug enough to stay in place while shooting but i can just slide it off by hand.
You need a bayonet for it, its hilarious how tall it becomes. Its one of my favorites for that alone. That one is in way better shape than mine. There some pitting on the exterior of the barrel near the muzzle and a hairline crack at the wrist on mine. Also its missing the cleaning rod, im sure thats going to be just as hard as finding a sling
>>34943572
No doubt it would be fun and if it was a different time id pick it up, most carbines just look silly to me.

>>34943739
The days I've milsurp being poorfag are far far behind us

>>34943733
Its not so much about it working as it is completing the collection you know? Type 38 is what im working on now but ive got a sling, bayonet, clip, and cleaning kit (oiler, rod/snake) for most of my milsurp. Its a bit autistic but whatever. As long as all the numbers on the rifle match and the accessories are period correct im content.

Talked to my dad today and he said his buddy got him a deal for "a 7mm Mauser and an M1 Garand" for $750 in total. I have no pics yet. Even if the two are sporterized beyond recognition is this something to look forward to?

It's some thing with a pawn shop, the guy he's buying it from is currently using it as an asset and if the pawn shop values just the Garand at about $400 then it oughtta be worth upwards of $1,000. Right? I'm not so interested in the Mauser but it's a package deal.

Y/N

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>>34943815
Oh yeah I totally get that. I can't find any T38 clips, even on Japanese sites, except for one at $50. I'm guessing they melted them down after WWII.

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>>34943739
ARs.

>>34943887
Thats a shame but it wouldnt surprise me. Il have to stay away when im drinking, last time i got shitfaced and looked at milsurp i bought a bayonet for close to 300.

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I got a spear conversion kit for my M1 last week. I really need to figure out how to get better pictures.

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>>34943720
I couldn't tell via mobile view. I have a 96/11 and was wondering.

>>34944055
You seem to know enough about Garands, answer my question papi
>>34943845

>>34943904
At least an AR is a damn good rifle, so it being a poorfag gun now really just means poorfags can have really capable rifles. Surplus was always hit or miss depending on a ton of factors.

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>>34944083
Most people don't buy milsurp for performance. I sure don't. I buy them because they're interesting and I'm a history nerd.

>>34944117
I as well, at this point. When I was a teenager without internet I lived under the delusion I was buying old world super weapons, when in reality they're mostly about minute of pie plate at 100 yards guns.

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>>34942857
Since we're posting Enfields...

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>>34942857
No brit-surp :(

Question: what are the names of all the wood types? All I'm familiar with is arctic birch, that finnish/russian stuff. When I'm speaking how do I distinguish between light and dark wood with the proper terminology? Is it just "light" and "dark?"
Examples:
>>34944186 light?
>>34944259 arctic birch
>>34944117 dark?
>>34944064 I don't even know but it's the exact same color as my swede

>>34943845
I would go for it only if the M1 is in good condition and unsporterized. Make sure the M1 isn't one of those rewelded receivers that were former drill rifles.

>>34944321
There were a lot of different woods used for milsurp stocks: walnut, beech, birch, elm, maple...some Asiatic woods I don't know well. All could have been stained differently or not at all, and the age along with the part of the tree the wood is from plays a role as well.

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>>34943351
I paid $350 for my Russian one. I'd drop the same on a polish one no problem

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>>34944144
Most people aren't even that good. Most of the time, it's the skill of the shooter more than what he is shooting, especially in terms of practical accuracy.

>>34944476
>>34944321
There is also a big difference in local varieties of wood when it comes to color. French Walnut is darker than Turkish walnut for example.

>>34943749
My enfields sling jjust broke. What sling is that?

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>>34942857
Rack markings are cool.

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This thread needs more yugo surp

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>>34944817
I can do that.

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>>34944759
I got some rack marks for ya

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Spot the Lithgow.

Need more Surp, what should I get next, anons? Caveats: must be shootable and have ammo available.

>>34944259
I dont even like nuggets, but I would put my dick in this one

>>34945473
>Caveats: must be shootable and have ammo available.
Lebel.

>>34943522

The side-folding bayonet is cool.

>>34943568
There's one store nearby with a bunch of 'surp, it's all high retail though.

>>34943845

$750 is a good price for a Garand alone. If they aren't butchered that's a great deal.

>>34945473

Mosin-Nagant.

>>34945634
>Mosin-Nagant.

Meh. I've had about a dozen Nagants over the years and never really liked them well enough to not trade them off. The only one I'd get would me a Finn rebuild, but theyre not worth what they cost these days.

>>34945561
>Lebel.

Hmm...

>>34945664
dont get a lebel. its a meme gun and only popular because of battlefield

>>34945787
Looked em up and, meh.

Maybe a Hakim or FN49

>>34945796
get a ljungman

Generally speaking, is it worth buying a new barrel and "refurbishing" milsurp?

>>34945844
>get a ljungman

Or all three!

Ljungman would be killer. The Hakim would pair with my Rasheed, however

>>34945927
well there is a ljungman on gb right now. First one ive seen in quite a long time up there.

>>34945903
No. But if you're heavily personally invested in the gun to where the money doesn't matter as much, then it's just up to you.

>>34945903
>Generally speaking, is it worth buying a new barrel and "refurbishing" milsurp?

I suppose it depends on what it is. I have a 1917 that headspaces poorly. AFAIK to fix that requires a rebarreling. So I've been considering putting a new barrel on it to make it a CMP vintage match competitor. But I'm also inclined to find an old barrel in good shape and have that put on.

Anyone know if the current barrel is junk or if ot can be reaseated to fix the headspace issues?

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>>34945949
>well there is a ljungman on gb right now. First one ive seen in quite a long time up there.

T. Ljungman seller

Subtle, anon

If anyone's interested in Swiss guns Sweaty Ben has 1889 Schmidt-Rubins for $329.

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>>34945787
Yeah, ok champ.

>>34946102

Remove the plural on that, he has one left.

>>34945972
I have one already

>>34943305
I honestly like it

>>34943493
Wow that is a pretty rifle. I'd buy it.

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>>34943305
I think it's a nice collection. I need a Great War Mosin.

>>34945903
Probably not if you're more of a collector and not a shooter. But if you actually regularly shoot your guns, it's probably not a bad deal.

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>>34943305
It's not bad taste. It's just bland

I have quite the boner for a LongBranch No4 Mk1 right now.

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>>34946688
Justifiably

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So I have a Jungle Carbine and it seems to have all the correct lightening cuts and markings but it appears to have never had a bayonet lug. It doesn't look cut off like others. Anyone run into something like this before?
Not an SMLE exactly but it's grandson.

>>34943493
Went to a pawnshop the other day
>Sporterized early Arisaka 99 - $250
>Sporterized Mauser 98k (dot code) - $450

Not even good sporters. Literally chopped stock and sandpaper butcher jobs. Rubber butt pad glued on.

Some pawn spots are simply terrible and waiting to go belly up

>>34944064
Nice looking rifle. It always impresses me how nicely they spliced on those semi pistol grips.

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>>34943766
>Also its missing the cleaning rod, im sure thats going to be just as hard as finding a sling
So was mine when I got it; I found one on eBay for $30 shipped.

>>34944589
>What sling is that?
Kerr "NoBuckl".

How long is the barrel life on slavshit? How many rounds can I put through my SKS or Mosin before the barrel is shot out?

Are Spanish mausers still cheap? How long will they be cheap

>>34948232
I see then around for under $200 sometimes, but they're usually busted pretty bad.

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>>34948232
>Are Spanish mausers still cheap?
Yes.
>How long will they be cheap
Only 3 more days. Better hurry Anon.

>>34948312
>>34948302
OH FUCK BUT I WON'T GET PAID FOR A WHILE
IF I DONT COLLECT ALL THIS ANCIENT SHIT WHO WILL?

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>>34948327
Me, when it goes up in price.

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>>34948327
Bubba

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>>34942857
Finally got my parker hale sight.

I can finally shoot my SMLE accurately.

>>34944509
Not to mention North American Black Walnut.

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>>34946688
>>34946718
Long Sticks are pretty nice.

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got this one for $269, date is pretty worn out, think it says 1909, and the serial number is pretty low too

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Thinking of jumping on an FR-8 on gunbroker. Anyone have one that might be able to lend some advise? Anything to look out for/decent price?

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A-am I allowed to play too?

>>34948483
Is there a particular reason Bubba always cuts a rifle down to that exact length?

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>>34949298
Sure

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>mfw after buying food and paying bills along with other good shit I have 500 bucks left over
Oh yes babby. I am hoping to get my first SMLE but they are running around 650-700 now on average which seems like way too much tho.

>>34949872
Get a No4 if you actually like shooting, they're much superior.

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Anyone got a good way to remove rust from a butt plate?

Does anyone know a source of no1 mk1 11 furniture? Ebay is shit, they want like $300 for a fucked out multiple ftr furniture alone.

>>34950231
Oily brass wool, of a fine grade.

>>34950248
Springfield Sporters, Numrich (are they out of business, gunshows and check forums for members selling shit. I've had two sets of furniture off ebay and neither were overpriced. There's also new unissued Beech No1 Mk3 woodwork to be had, made post WW2 if I recall.

>>34950212
>implying people buy these for their shooting prowess

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Unissued No4 Mk1*

>>34950911
What year? I have a 1944 that somehow escaped issue.

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I have a full tub of mil jugs and other containers I need to shoot, which gun should I use?

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>>34949872

Paid $375 for mine.

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>>34950231
To elaborate on what the other anon said.


Bronze wool and some sort of penetrating oil works great. typically i use Hoppes 9 just to break up the grit and crud, then go back in with some kroil (or home made atf flavor)

The brass wool is also key. You can do it with steel wool sure, but you will leave many microscopic scratches on the steel (Which will invite rust). Bronze wool is uniquely suited for this job simply because it can't harm the steel, its not hard enough to ouch it, but the rust is soft and easily attackable by the bronze. You can crank unto the rust without any harm.

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>>34949293
>Thinking of jumping on an FR-8 on gunbroker. Anyone have one that might be able to lend some advise? Anything to look out for/decent price?

Fucking do it, faggot

>>34951039

What are the top two?

>>34951171
Gew 88/05/35 (don't have ammo thats good for it)
1895 Chilean Mauser

>>34951198

You should spear them on the Mosin bayonet and then shoot them.

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>>34951218
Already did that a while back.

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>>34951198
>don't have ammo thats good for it
Commercial 8mm Mauser works just fine.

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>>34951476
The only 8mm I have is that new production PWA stuff I got locally because it was really cheap.

>>34951055
Sadly, it's not 2011 anymore.

>>34951512
Oh yeah, that's not gonna work well. Especially with the weaker extractor.

>>34951700
I got it as plinking ammo for my M48, but I need to get some PPU for the Gew 88 so I don't damage it.

>>34951515

I bought that about 2 months ago.

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My SMLE finally has a magazine! Took me 4 years to finally bite the bullet and look for one. I ordered a used one from BRPguns. Judging by the condition and it being filled with grease, they may have instead shipped one of their NOS magazines lol.

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>>34952039
I also got a hammer spring for my 49/56 today too. I unfortunately found out it was broken awhile back. Found someone that had them. $27 RIP.

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>>34952068
Oh, and I finally got some 8mm Lebel from sgammo. So next time I'm at the range (Soon™) I can finally shoot me Lebel.

>>34951009
I think it's a '44 also. Sn starting in 92 C

>>34951198
I just bought a mint, unissued matching Chilean 95. Waiting for it to come in the mail. Nice!

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>>34952039
So will you finally shoot it so we can see how that heavy barrel performs?

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>>34952173
You will greatly enjoy it.

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>>34952198
I shot it...4 years ago. I put 10 rounds in it. It's a pain in the ass to slip the cartridges under the extractor.

Now I just need to fix up my No.5 too so I can test that "wandering zero."

>>34945473
A Surrender Monkey Garand:MAS 49/56

It can be in .308. BUT BE CAREFUL, ABOUT HALF OF THESE HAVE ISSUES WITH THE FEEDING MECHANISM I THINK.

Otherwise get it 7.5 REAL FUCKIN WHITE FLAG.

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>>34952383
>I shot it...4 years ago.
Then refresh my memory; how did it do?

>>34952430
I don't even remember. I unfortunately only found round nosed soft points before that range trip so I didn't have FMJs to really test it with. I know, because I still have the box with the other 10 left. lol

>>34952449
Why is it so hard to flubd fmj .303. One store in my city hsd it and they only had one box. Surely .303 isnt that popular for hunting that everyone carries sp but not fmj.

My walther p38 is bricked and I am sad. The rolling block pin came loose and would fall out, so I was going to take it to a gunsmith, and then my father asked to take a look at it, and then put it back together. Now it doesn't cycle properly and when the slide closes it tries to fire. The slide wont come off any more either. So now I really have to take it to a gunsmith and who knows what it is going to cost.

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>lgs has a 1903 Mannlicher Schonauer carbine
>it's sporterized
At 300 I'm still considering seeing if they'll do $250, but it makes my soul hurt

say i had $450 max to spend right now on my first milsurp rifle? What would i get for that? where are good deals and reputable companies? how do i know theyre not completely shot out, busted up, broken pieces of shit? I want a mauser (pref close to k98 style like Czech), carcano or enfield while i can still afford one. Anyone got any good links or sites (besides gunbroker)? thanks.

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>>34951515
I paid $290 for mine in June

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>>34951515
$175 two weeks ago.

>>34943766
Help please. This spring is causing way more trouble than it should.

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>>34953138
Mine got stuck down as well the last time I took it apart. Even tapping the peg out from the other side of the stock didn't spring it back, but a couple shots at the range did the trick.

>>34953202
I tried some light handloads. Maybe some factory/hotter stuff will spring it back then.

>>34952928

>say i had $450 max to spend right now on my first milsurp rifle?

What is the question?

>What would i get for that?

Spanish Mauser
Turkish Mauser
SMLE (with some luck)
Mosin
Yugo Mauser
Arisaka
Carcano

>where are good deals and reputable companies?

Good deals are going to be at gun shows, pawn shops and ArmsList, but you're gonna have to look and probably haggle.

>how do i know theyre not completely shot out, busted up, broken pieces of shit?

Look at them. Look for rust, look for pitted bores with no rifling (though a few guns don't have visible rifling even when new). Look for cracks in the stocks.

>I want a mauser (pref close to k98 style like Czech), carcano or enfield while i can still afford one. Anyone got any good links or sites (besides gunbroker)? thanks.

Armslist (Make sure to set the region since most people won't ship.
Liberty Tree
Simpson Ltd

>>34952893
Sell the action for 350

>>34954410
thanks for replying. i do shitloads of online research and reviews normally, and know all the guntubers etc, but so far i only own ARs, .22s etc, and havent dipped my feet into the milsurp world yet. I go to gunshows and got to fingerfuck a few Enfields, saw a lot of SKS there etc, but felt i should do a bit more research before jumping on one. I've shot a few friends mausers, mosins etc, but still feel a bit cautious when buying used milsurp, don't want to get burned - we've all seen the gunshow/cabelas $500 Mosin pricing etc on here. I do browse armslist and even Classic, and GunsAmerica, GB etc, but a lot of the rifles i come across either seem to be questionable deals (Sweaty Ben doesn't list actual condition of guns etc, and some pieces are downright beat to shit like these Czech Mausers: http://www.gunbroker.com/item/686041035
I guess what I'm after is something like Link related, but in not such crappy shape. I'd probably pay $300-350 or so if it was a halfway decent example of that. This will be something i won't expect great performance out of, but is mostly for shooting about 10 rounds out of once a month, but still in shootable condition. Thanks for the help, much appreciated.

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>>34954483
good luck with the hunt.

Czech Vz24 is your best bet. They are the best mauser that doesnt cost $600

>>34954518
swedish mausers are less than that unless your stupid enough to buy from sweaty ben

>>34954533
I usually see Vz24s from $150-350 - Swede mausers cost more than that.

>>34955143

There's a Swede 96 at a local pawn shop for $320, it's not numbers matching but I've been considering offering them $275 for it.

>le pawn shop gun maymay

where the fuck do you all live

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Thoughts?
>>34955462
>>34955481
>>34955509

>>34955507
Offer $300 if the stock is in decent condition

>>34955540
rc or a yugo?

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>>34955560
?? idk what rc means but I don't think this is yugo, pic related

>>34955635
russian capture. which it sorts of looks like it is

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>>34955655
How would I be able to tell? Does that deteriorate the value by a lot? Also what do you make of the missing front sight hood? Besides that the gun seems to be entirely matching and in solid condition

>>34955670
it probably didnt have a sight hood I dont think those got added until later in the war. It just looks like its been refinished by a sloppy ruskie.

post pics of the other side of it

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>>34942857
>SMLE edition
I was waiting on this dude to get back to me about buying this from him...guess I'll never know.

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>>34955706

>>34955717
What the fuck... did he actually turn it into a pistol caliber?
Is it bad that I want it?

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>>34955723
>>34955723
russians sanded the sides of the stocks like that. its more profound on some than others

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I have the opportunity to buy a really nice condition 1866-74 Gras rifle in a local auction. Any idea what the value might be, ballpark?

Pic related, rifle in question.

>>34943493
>Sportered Argentine for $300

I got one for $200 maplebucks. What makes these dudes think that hackjob is worth $300. On top of that it's almost like people bought them and chopped those guns up when they came to the country only to find out later that it wasn't the same as a 98 action and would make for a poor/expensive project gun. Which is kinda sad.

>>34955736
Thanks for the info
What's its estimate value, RC taken into account? I know with the Garand I've still made a profit (even with it being CMP) but I'd still like to know just because

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>>34955729
Yes, he did. And no, it isn't.

>>34955773
they are probably pushing like $600 now. Whatd you pay for it?

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/683845363

Oh bubba. You sure know how to enrage a person

>>34955791
$850 for the Garand + Mauser + a little ammo for both

Soooo.... $600 + ≈$1000, I'm pretty happy right now.

>>34955795
FUCK
>tfw still no .303 Martini

>>34955800
hell of a deal

>>34955810
.303 martini is pleb af

>>34955831
>not being able to shoot your piece of shit rifle unless you pay either hundreds in reloading supplies or hundreds in ammo
You are truly a god among men anon

>>34955894
it makes sense to reload even if its not for meme ammo like a martini

>>34955917
I never said anything that went against that, being forced to reload is absolute retard tier though

>>34955544

It is. BUT. It's not on The List, so I shouldn't be buying it at all, and I just spent 1600 on a K98k and an 1868 Trapdoor.

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>>34955917
This. Reloading makes you much more self sufficient and gives you more time with your guns.

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>>34955894
>He relies on third parties to feed his rare guns

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>>34955810
i've brought mine to nuggerfest before

>>34955969
>being forced to reload is absolute retard tier though

you would need to do this for a .303 martini though. Modern shit would blow it up

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>>34955973
I need to get into reloading, I'm probably going to ask for some reloading manuals and reference guides for my birthday.

>>34955973
Are you the guy who has a Lebel? Your background looks similar.

>>34955987
>relies
what, I said you shouldn't rely on anything. Reloading is inherently awesome but if it's meme tier reloading shit you cannot find anywhere in the world then you're stupid
>>34955996
Nigger I'll buy it for $500

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Alright bros, I took new family milsurp photos including my recent acquisitions. I have yet to take pics with everything but here you go for now.
>STOP SWEEPING BACK MY BOLTS

>>34956031
>Reloading is inherently awesome but if it's meme tier reloading shit you cannot find anywhere in the world then you're stupid

Actually, I agree. Doesn't really apply to 577-450 Martini, though. Lee (and probably others) make dies for it.

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What's a good price for an engineer carbine 1891 Argentine? I really love short nose cap carbines, and for some reason those single stack early mags make me feel funny things.

>>34946107
I bought a mas 36 at a gun show for 150 bucks. It was rebarreled to 308 at some point. After some work on the bolt it works pretty well, shoot an index card size group at 100yds.

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>>34956183
The standard mas 36 shoots a .308 bullet anyway.

I recently purchased a Mauser 98K. I'm having problem with the bolt locking up after I fire a round. I had to use a rubber mallet to hammer the bolt.

What the heck is wrong with my rifle?

>>34945473
That Hakim made me hard

Recently learned about them and I've become obsessed

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Only milsurp gun at the moment :/
Unless you count my M70

>>34956274

you fired and tried cycling but opening the bolt was a bitch? or you cycled and closing the bolt was a bitch?

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>>34956318
Top cover is on wrong buddy.

>>34956393
I fired and I can't cycle the bolt without using a rubbing mallet.

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>>34956025
This Lebel? I'm pretty sure Arisuke and I are the only Lebel owners in /k/.

>>34956467
This happens to me but on a smaller scale, after firing I'll have to lower it from my shoulder to cycle and this is maybe 1 out of every 10 shots. It's pretty annoying, sucks that you have an even worse case.

>>34956467

do you have trouble setting the safety at all? does dry firing have the same problem of cycling?

>>34956470

>tfw missed out on getting that sweet lebel life because I was worried about finances

FUCK ME

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>>34956290
That's a Rasheed friendo

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>>34956576
They're still out there, you didn't miss your last chance at one. Took me over a year to find and get mine. Unless you're in your 70s, you have decades to collect.

>>34956543
I am >>34956512, and to answer you: yes and no

>>34956658

if you're having trouble setting the safety like it's ridiculously hard and a bolt cycling issue it may be that your Sear has been fucked with or been damaged.

once I replaced mine I could actually set the safety flag without using a screwdriver for leverage and could cycle the bolt easily.

Take it to a gunsmith to get a proper opinion but the way it sounds for both cases is that the Sear is not correct.

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>>34956318
Your handguard is on backwards

Just picked up a Yugo captured K98. Camera sucks at night, so I won't bother with pics tonight.

Few questions:
I noticed it has 2 crossbolts. One is in the wrist. I haven't seen another with something like this. Anyone know anything about it?

It also has a small hairline crack in the tang that the seller didn't disclose, and that he covered with his hand when I asked for additional pictures. I took it anyway because I know cracks are kinda easy and cheap to fix, but also because it may already be arsenal repaired and I can't tell. I don't want to try and spread it without knowing and potentially make it worse. Any advice? Also what adhesive should I use if it needs additional repair? There is also a very very small crack on the back of the front crossbolt.

Should I even worry about the cracks, or just wait and see if they get worse?

>>34956057
that swede mauser looks atrocious

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>>34956470
Cool! Could you give me some input on this Lebel? It's coming up at a (sort of) local auction. What do you reckon would be a fair price?

(pic 1/?)

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>>34956889
It's not in perfect condition, as you can see.

(pic 2/?)

>>34956715
It's not ridiculously hard but it's much, much more difficult than other mausers I've handled. It's not something I can do unconsciously, which is a bad trait in a firearm.
>>34956882
No shit, wanna buy it for $300? I have it listed on armslist atm

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>>34956897
Small repaired chip out of the stock, and a bit of rust on the buttplate (looks like the only rust on the gun).

(3/?)

>>34956900
I live in Canada and can get an unfucked one for about $270 if I shop around
I also had one and sold it because I hate sporter guns

>>34956543
No I don't have problems with working the safety, just the bolt is stuck. It's weird because when I work the action with and without a round in the chamber, the bolt feels like butter.

It's only when I actually fire the rifle do the bolt get stuck.

HAVE:
- Lee Enfield No 4 Mk2 Post war
- Schmidt Rubin K31
- M39 Nagant Matching 1944
- TGF 1950 Czech Mauser (Looks like Kar98k except Trigger Guard)
- PREDUZECE 44 Kar98k

WANT:
- Springfield 1903A3
- Schmidt Rubin K11 Infantry Rifle
- Matching Kar98k with cupped buttplate
- Lee Enfield No5 Mk1

>>34956848
https://youtu.be/TP3HFUaFgqA

>>34956942

have you cleaned the locking logs and chamber? are you firing cheap/surplused ammunition?

if it's just the bolt turning then you have something fucked in the chamber and locking area.

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>>34957017
wouldn't mind if you deleted your post

>>34955670
Looks like an RC to me. Russian Red finish on the stock, waffenampts still intact. Is it completely mismatched serial numbers? If so its 100% RC

And yes, that hurts the value. But not more than any other captured Mauser. At least the RCs still have the waffenampts.

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>>34956017
That fucking roll mark! HNNNNNG

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What should I pay for a Syrian contract MAS 49 with an original scope?

>>34956290
>That Hakim made me hard

>Recently learned about them and I've become obsessed

No Hakim here, Anonalon. I have a Rasheed. Hakim is on my short list, however.

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>>34955635
Russian-captured refurbs will have a dull dip-blue, electropencil force-matched serial numbers on the bolt and other parts, and a small "X" stamped on the receiver ring (usually the left side).

>>34955670
Sight hood wasn't introduced until 1939, so it's perfectly normal for your 1938 Mauser Werke to be "missing" it.

>>34955723
I see nothing on this rifle to indicated Russian use. If the serial numbers are stamped matching then I'd say it's legit.

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>>34956290

>>34956889
>>34956897
>>34956930
Lebels are hard to price, but I'd say at least 1000. They can run anywhere from 650 to 1850, but most have been going around 1000+ lately.

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>>34957658
1300ish. 700 for the gun, 600 for the scope.

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>>34957850
>>34957658
Here's another picture. The guy said the wood was a bit rough, but has a good bore.

>>34957910
Yeah Syrian ones weren't refurbished so they will have rougher furniture. They're more common here in the states as well, but between 650 and 850 is the standard price.

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>impulse buy a martini-henry
>cool off a day later and really digest the pictures
>possible pitting along wood line
>epoxy hidden in the corners and stock bolt, now plainly visible without lust in my eyes
>crown markings ain't even that good


Its one of those times i hope the seller loses interests and stops responding.

>>34958139

I bought a butchered Krag a while back, I felt really stupid afterwards.

>>34955971
Wait for a matching one m/96 are too nice to not have a good one, if you're going to have one in the first place.

>>34944817
>>34944861
Guy's I'm really tempted to by an ON-76B and put it on my M48A... is this bubba?

>>34958298
Yes it is

>>34957619
What's a waffenampt? It's completely matching btw

>>34959303
You checked the firing pin and the sight and shit?

Apart from the manufacturing year what info can i get from a K98 and a Garand?

Also how to check if the parts are matching?

>>34959882
American rifles aren't serialized beyond the reciever.

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>>34956031
Not for sale, sorry.

>>34956106
they sure do. I have a set of Lee 577/450 dies. I have to remove the mounting sleeve for them to fit in my press.

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>>34946862
It was cut off and polished smooth. You can see wear the metal was polished by looking at the worn stamps.

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>>34952068
I just found that taking apart a whole trigger group and putting it back together is a pain in the ass, but can by done. Whoever invented the spring hook is a genius.

>>34959882
For the Garand the only serial number is on the receiver. The barrel will be dated and there will be drawing numbers on some parts like the oprod. As long as dates and manufacturers are right it's matching. The stock will have a cartouche that's indictative of a certain serial number range or of a rebuild after WW2

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I have to slaughter some milk jugs with this today.

>>34958443
Tbh, I think I want the scope on it more than I care about it being bubba'd.

>>34960606
why not put an actual Yugo style scope on it?

>>34960966
That's what it is. Zrak was a Yugo (now Serbian) optics company. The ON-76B would be both functional in a modern world and also historically "correct" if you want to call it that.

>>34961099
ON-M76B*

>>34957007
I'm going to do a complete bolt disassembly and clean the whole thing and test it again over the weekend. I really want this rifle to work because I can't believe just how nice and accurate it is. Never fired a milsurp, let alone a 98k before. Those iron sights are awesome.

As for the ammo, the only ones I could find locally are a few boxes of Mitchell's Mauser 8mm ammo. I know MM has a well deserved bad reputation, but I haven't heard bad things about the ammo they're selling so I figured I'd give them a try.

>>34961198
>Mitchell's Mauser 8mm ammo.
It used to be just re-branded PPU, which is fine stuff (if underpowered, like all SAAMI-spec "8mm Mauser").

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>>34960511
I don't see any number on the oprod do i have to take it apart to see them?

Also when you say on the barrel you mean on this ring ? Because i see a SN on that but nothing on the visible barrel, do i have to take it apart for that too?

I can only see 3 markings without taking the gun apart. One on this ring, one on the receiver and one on the bolt.

Thanks for your help. I've been gifted a K98 and a Garand by someone who didn't want to keep them anymore and i'm trying to learn more about them.

>>34961287

IIRC on mine the marking on the barrel is under the oprod, so you have to pull the action back to see it. Not sure if that's normal.

>>34961351
Oh yeah i see some markings there, but it's pretty small and hard to read, wouldn't have seen them if you hadn't mentioned it.
Looks like a serie of numbers/letters like n-n-n-n-nn
There is a little P there too.

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>>34959303
>What's a waffenampt? It's completely matching btw
Waffenampts are the proofs and acceptance stamps. But tbecause they're Nazis eagles most countries who captured then scrubbed them from the receivers

Check all the serial numbers anf see if any of them match. They all should match if the rifle has its original parts.

When Russia captured German weapons they stripped them to their component larts, cleaned, repaired and reassembled the rifles. But they didn't take care to put the rifles back together with its original parts, they just grabbed a bolt from the Bolt Barrel, and a magazine floor from the Magazine Floor Barrel, etc etc so they're all mis matched.

>>34956057
Are you that autist from a couple threads ago that refused to accept his Israeli mauser had been bubba'd?

>>34961754
>Are you that autist from a couple threads ago that refused to accept his Israeli mauser had been bubba'd?

Fuckin story time, anon

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Bought an M39 Mosin-Nagant to add to my collection that should arrive relatively soon. Did I do well?

>>34962000

How much did you pay?

>>34962011
$459.

>>34962000
How much was it?

>>34962019

Decent. You can probably get them cheaper than that, but if it's in good shape, and it appears to be, that's not a bad price.

>>34962000
Sako 1944. Nice. That seller has some good Finnish mosins.

>>34961810
He was just an anon that came here asking questions why his mauser wouldn't work with stripper clips, and it was because it had been ground down to accept a scope mount.

He later sperged out when he was made to realize he had a bubba gun, and self destructed by calling all of us jealous and that his gun was better because it was in 7.62.

Was pretty funny.

>>34962037
>You can probably get them cheaper than that,
Sure, if you're fucking lucky and have the patience of a monk.

>>34962617

There's one in my area for under $400 if you pay cash.

>>34962646
I've only seen an M39 in the wild once here in the Twin Cities, and that was 2 years ago for 500 dollarydoos

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>>34962601
>Was pretty funny.
In a tragic sort of way maybe.

>>34962601
and of course of all people he gets the good deal on a Garand and a K98

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>>34962706
>>34962903
We were all younger and dumber. He's learning.

>>34962903
Do we know what he payed? Was it a package deal?

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>>34962959
Well...

>>34961754
>>34961810
>>34962601
>>34962706
>>34962903
>>34962959
>>34963040
Except my Mauser does work with stripper clips, I was just trying it with Swede Mauser clips which are bigger. Ordered some VZ24 clips and it worked just fine.

If anyone has anything to learn it's the genius who said "your gun will never load stripper clips."

Sorry for sperging out though. Uncalled for.

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>>34963040
$850 the middle and bottom rifle

>>34963221
>VZ24 clips
Lol

>>34963242
I ordered "surplus vz 24 stripoer clips" from liberty tree, what more do you fucking want?

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>>34963221
>Swede Mauser clips
Well you know what you gotta do now.

>>34963257
Because mauser 98 stripper clips are mauser 98 stripper clips, provenance doesn't really matter that much.

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>>34963274
Unless your 98 doesn't use 98 clips.

>>34962566
Yep, that's the one.

>>34962702
Yeah, I wouldn't even bother looking for one at my local shop. They seem to be relatively easy to find online at okay prices. Gunbroker had quite a few listings.

>>34960966
>>34961100
I would do the same, but the crest on my yugo is really nice and it'd be a shame to ruin it. Plus real Zraks are hard to get from what I understand

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>That feel when RIA ships your stuff and you'll be getting it middle of next week.

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Friend is having a Mauser sent to them by their uncle, but they don't know what it is. Can anyone make out what the crest or manufacturers mark are here?

>>34963704
Spanish. The state arms factory formerly in Oviedo.

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>>34956848
Alright, back from dissassembly. Someone has epoxy bedded this rifle. Were Yugo arsenals known to do that to reinforce a damaged stock?

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>>34964060
The peculiar double crossbolt and hairline crack behind the forward crossbolt. Can't tell if it's been repaired or not. No gap visible.

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>>34964070
And lastly the hairline tang crack. Given the other repairs, would it be safe to assume that the cracks have also been repaired?

>>34964060
I'm sure that's a bedding job done stateside.

>>34964114
I thought as much. Since the Yugos scrubbed the German markings I don't really care that much. I'm just concerned about the stability of the stock.

>>34964146
They usually do the extra cross bolt near the grip if the stock starts to break, I've seen it on Mosins as well.

So it's probably fine, maybe.
Only way to find out is to try and flex the stock near there to see if it moves, otherwise shoot it and see if it spreads.

>>34964213
I'm not taking it out of the stock again, so I can't really flex it enough to see. I'm sure its flexing a couple of thousandths and I see no expansion of the split. I guess We'll shoot it and see if it pops and impales me.

Can I get a price check?
BSA SMLE No1 Mk3*, 1918, All matching.

I'm thinking about selling some guns to finance an upcoming move across the country and I've got a handful of SMLEs.

>>34964501
500

Someone else will have to carry on the general to the next thread, I'm just too tired to wait for it to hit 300 guys, sorry

>>34966105

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>>34966105
We can go without one for a night or two. It's not gonna kill us. These are slow threads anyways.

>>34966157
>>34966105
Fug, well I figured I'd answer the call. I can bs about milsurp all day, even if it's repetitive as hell, cos God knows none of my irl friends give a flying fuck about guns.

New thread:
>>34966181

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I bought a Mosin about a month ago. Should I have a gunsmith check it out or would it be safe to check the headspacing myself?

>>34966281
Unless it's beat to hell, I don't take it anywhere. I think a lot of that is liability talk.

>>34966281
It's up to you, but I wouldn't worry about it honestly.

>>34963766

Thanks. Supposedly it's marked 1907 so that would make it an 1893 yes?