Do solid color battle-dress-uniforms have any advantage over

It has its merits. Its cheaper and has the same effect at a distance, since most modern micropattern camos end up looking like a single shade past 40 ft. The benefit of camo is that they remain blended up close, whereas solid color looks like, well, a solid color.

>>34939365
Really just depends on the environment. It's all about breaking up your outline and blending with surroundings when viewed at distance.
OD is probably the best all around solid earth color.

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>>34939365
It is much cheaper. And soldiers look better then in 10 mismatched cammo paterns.

Also most military personal can't utilize advantages provided by camouflage patterns due to many reasons.

>>34939392
Army is going through this right now with their transition to fake multicam, whatever the call it.
Marines have the issue of faded desert cammies that look like snow camo.

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>>34939382
>OD is probably the best all around solid earth color.

Vietname Aesthetic, Best Aesthetic

>>34939411
I used a lot of that gear in boot camp.
With a mix of molle stuff too.

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>>34939365
You can achieve "good enough" level of camo-index with just solid colors, but ultimately they tend to lose to well designed camos every single time.

There's a simple reason for this too: the point of the camo pattern is to break the wearer's silhouette, making it harder for the human eye to recognize the human (or vehicle) shape.
This also applies to Night vision monitoring.

solid colors are almost as bad as UCP because they do nothing to break up the human silhouette

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>>34939365
Ask the Austrians

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>>34939491
Olive works fine in many environments, thanks to its tendency to bend towards brown in right kind of lighting conditions. But it's more of an uniform than a field dressing choice.

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>>34939411
Vietnam era shit had a bad habit of slowly getting bleached out with use, turning almost white after a while.

Austria's army is pretty much OD perfected (though it's actually called "field gray"), and A E S T H E T I C as fuck.

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>>34939514

>>34939491
>OD
>AUG
>P90
hnng

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>>34939522

>>34939522
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>>34939536
I'd be worried about cook-offs.

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>>34939536
>implying any military would NOT enforce the use of earpro in 2010s

>>34939553
A E S T H E T I C

>>34939553
Nobody used earpro unless on the range.
That's probably why USMC is testing suppressor use for everyone.

>>34939553
Their arms are clearly positioned in a way that shows that soldier is using fingers to cover their ears. I don't know a whole lot of people with hearing protection during FTXs.

The IDF actually does a good job of earning the reputation for being an army of cheap Jews.

They lost a grip of tanks in Lebanon because they didn't install APS even though they already spent the money on R&D and lost $5 million for each tank lost.

The Kenesset really are idiots.

>>34939563
>testing
One battalion has deployed to Norway with suppressors and they don't want to change back.

>>34939586
U wot m8
The APS was developed as a result of lebanon and first operationally tested on 2009, get your facts straight.
Also what does this have to do with the thread?

>>34939587
That's what I'm talking about.
I expect all grunt units to have suppressors within the next few years. And probably more M27s also.
Why do they get the cool shit after I get out?
I was lucky to get an M4 and PVS-14s that worked most of the time.

1 downside though, is that it's one more serialized item. That's at least 5 per person now.

>>34939522
Austrians are A E S T H E T I C

>>34939602
Good, give them even more federally regulated items.

It will make the constitutionality challenge more in our favor.

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>>34939563
>Nobody used earpro unless on the range.
you'd be wrong about that. You just don't necessarily even realize it thanks to the slim-design active (electronic) muffs that double as comms. Not to mention the cutting edge hearing earplugs, passive and active models, which you can keep on practically 24/7 and still maintain high situational awareness.

t: ex-Army fag.

>>34939365
Empirically, solid OD does a better job in forest and jungle than UCP.

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>>34939365
It's cheap. Not even kidding, that's a major selling point. Better to fact check it, but iirc it's ~40% cheaper than patterns.
But even the Israelis, standing out as either the most or the only competent military to use solid green, often probes into alternatives (mostly via equipment such as nets and the Mitznefet) and issues patterned uniforms to units when it's deemed necessary.
Many Israeli decision makers, I think it's worth mentioning, also believe that looking into camouflaged uniforms is an obsolete idea at this point, and instead invest a lot into thermal-concealing materials R&D.

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>>34940394
https://strikehold.wordpress.com/2009/11/14/terrain-specific-camouflage-made-easy/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LC0xgK3d9do

>>34939491
Nah you're missing the point here. Give a soldier who lives on the most brutal continent in the world an AUG, and you have the ultimate super soldier. They want you to see them, so you can shit your pants.

>>34940172
Solid Pink would do a better job in forest and jungle than UCP.

>>34939553
god fucking damn od is sexy.

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>>34940760
It's actually "Feldgrau", or literally "Field Gray".

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>>34940149
Agreed, i used to do a lot of sound engineering, the ear plugs i had during loud situations left me able to hear conversation level speech and not go deaf next to a 4x12 with a 100watt head on it.

pic related. different filters had a different level of attenuation.

>>34939477
Its impressive how effective that lower left one is on that particular terrain. I'm definitely going to have to get a set of that next time I do a recon op in my driveway.

>>34940776
oh is it? okay, thanks. just looks slightly green tinge to me. cheers

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>>34940795
That's it's purpose.
Even back in WW2, Germans and many other countries still wielded gray uniforms thanks to their tendency to start blending in the nature at long distances (100-200 meters). That's also something UCP tried to achieve, but failed quite badly.

This Feldgrau is practically just a tad more de-saturated OD, and belongs to the same family with it and the Ranger Green. They compliment and work together well, and are easily mixed up.

>>34940795
>looks slightly green
hence the feld/field

>>34940817
I wish there was a camo with coyote brown as primary and splotches of black and khaki

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you can get away with a solid color if you're using the right color in the right environment, it's better than nothing but it's still not as good as camo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCtVoP6Jdpg

>>34940776
Can you buy those uniforms anywhere?

>>34939405
>snow MARPAT
huh. Kind of want now.

Also, I have a set of ACU's that got washed so many times and salt-stained so heavily they look more like dirty cook's whites than camo.

>>34939549
>MG3
>open bolt
>cook offs

...Anon, really?

>>34942583
pretty cheap from varusteleka.

https://www.varusteleka.com/en/bestsearch/austrian?q=austrian

>>34939365
>Do solid color battle-dress-uniforms have any advantage over camo'd ones?
they're cheaper.

>Do you always want to wear a camo pattern into combat?
Unless you're a sailor, there is always an advantage to breaking up your shape.

>>34939392
I was one of the first units to be issued the ACU's in basic. I didn't see many people in BDU's when I went to AIT and then to duty. I figured most people switched right away so they wouldn't have to deal with starching, ironing, and shining boots.

>>34942778

Maybe he meant ND?

It's much easier to ND an open bolt

>>34939522
That's an Mg74, austrian configuration of the Mg3

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>>34939491
Was it autism?

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>>34939365
If you're going to wear a solid color, olive is probably the best one.

>>34939563
That's just moronic. I've been close to 5.56 firing without earpro twice. The first time I got tinnitus and the second time I lost the 6 khz range, which ironically lost me my tinnitus as well.

>>34939365
/r/ that gif or webm of the chick with the fat ass in the short shorts laying prone and firing a gun in slow motion so you can watch her ass jiggle.

>>34940793
What is that pattern?

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Is nam era tiger stripe a meme? It looks badass but does it work in the jungle


In b4 it aint me starts playing

>>34944598
IIRC, it works but only if you're prone.

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>>34944598

This >>34944683

Tigerstripe works perfectly when prone and not moving, but it makes you more visible when standing and on the move.

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Obviously you want MARPAT for ultimate concealment

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>>34939382
>OD is probably the best all around solid earth color.
>>34939501
>Olive works fine in many environments, thanks to its tendency to bend towards brown in right kind of lighting conditions.
>>34940817
>>34943800
>If you're going to wear a solid color, olive is probably the best one.


Not sure if this comes out of the tendency of armies during the 20th century to default to green or what, but I don't think OD, Ranger Green, or really most other greens are best. Greens are inferior to neutral browns and tans. Green can only mimic live vegetation easily. The USMC actually gave a shit when they developed TA/50 in coyote 498 for use in multiple environments and seasons. The color is also the most common color in both their woodland and desert patterns. Brown can be dirt, mud, bark, sand, gravel, dead grass, leaves, etc. etc.

Browns even have merit as an effective urban color, outperforming many grays:

https://www.milspecmonkey.com/index.php/articles-page/63-articles/454-a-real-urban-grey

https://www.milspecmonkey.com/index.php/articles-page/63-articles/455-a-real-urban-grey-part-2

Furthermore, environments which actually do contain a lot of green vegetation tend to require less out of a uniform. The natural vegetation provides concealment itself. In arid regions, dead forests, and dry open fields, there is very little to use as concealment. Again, neutral browns and tans are the better option.

Brown is the best multi-environment solid color.

>>34940562
Are you thinking of Australians? Because he's talking about Austrians

>>34944818

>Marine Spokesperson

That's twice the stupidity in a single person!

>>34944818
>go camping inntheboundrywaters
>have an uncle who was a marine
>still has a hard on for 'muh semper fi'
>sets up single low profile MARPAT tent
>several times during the trip people couldn't spot his tent
It works okay in certain areas, like if you have a lot of old and new pine needles in a forest where there's spotty shadows

>>34944875
I've heard the Israelis are trained to roll around in the dirt if they want to "camo" up.

>>34944937
They aren't the same thing?

>>34940394
>israelis go with cheapest option
Oy vey

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They sure as hell look better

>>34939602
what are serialized items? what are the 5?

>>34946608
gun, nvgs, that laser thing, and ACOG, knifes wernt cereallized but staff sergeant kept those locked up in a chest anyways, I dunno why staff sergeant kept the knifes from us

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>>34940793
Every camo has a purpose.