What does it all mean?

>>34935906
Probably just what you mentioned with Obongo

>>34935906
Trump just said... and i quote... " We are not going to be disclosing when or how many troops we have on the ground, where they are at , or how long they intend to stay. The terroirsts will just wait us out and return when we leave. We are not occupying land or terriorty and helping establish goverments. We are not naiton building anymore, We are killing terrorists "

>Fucking THIS might as well have been playing the background on repeat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGQaH3-LK54

>>34935978
> " We are not nation building anymore, We are killing terrorists"

Fucking, this was the one thing that stood out huge.

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The leashes are coming off, hopefully he mines the shit out of the paki/Afghan border.

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>>34935978
>>34935906
Alot of airpower and precision bombs would be my guess. The problems with Coin is you really do kind of have to clear hold build, if we go for a nuke em all type air campaign it will kill alot of civilians. Afghanistan would need a pretty substantial troop increase as well because the terrain is so vast, and then there is the real root of the problem in the Pashtun regions in the mountains between Afghanistan and Pakistan. We'll see how it works out

>>34935978
It honestly sounds like he has no plan and is just winging it.

Honestly, how will this be any different from the past two Presidents?

>>34935978
That just sounds like "we're probably going to just keep doing what we're doing"

There's no kind of strategy outline there in the slightest.

>>34935906
M8, what does this have to do with weapons? Really, I'm not fucking with you or memeing, and I get it's related to the military, but you're wanting to analyze something our CiC said, which is political by nature.

So, unironically and without malice
>>>/pol/

P.S.-it's probably just the same old shit
>>34936022
Now a COIN thread would be great.

If we were to truly to commit to COIN, we would need to fully commit to another decade at least, since we've been pussy footing around and not really committing for the sole reason of not being there forever which, surprise, happened anyway.

If we had gone in heavy in 03 and committed to actually doing COIN operations, we'd probably have a stable Afghanistan, and not just the same old shit for the past 15 years. It's truly mind boggling when you think about how much shit we've wasted in that country.

>>34936009
No need, not with american air power.

>>34936022
>Pic related

I think after the first few convoys of this meet ATGM's out of the blue with no warning civvys will start to avoid those gun toddling dudes with black flags...
Honestly, i think the most of this is to get them to stop operating in the open. Stop them from just driving free across the land and denying basic logistics is a huge hindrance. Forces them to move on foot, or in less conspicuous ways ; which major routes can be checked pointed easier.. and those that choose to go around said intersection / roadblock or barricade whatever is now auto terrorist and weapons free.

>>34936051
>>34936067

It wont be any different
America changes presidents every 4-8 years to throw a new dude into the UN/world tell them lies and then continue to do whatever the hell it wants anyway.
Its a great system for global domination, vs leaders who have been in charge of their respective nations forever and you know how they will act...
America goes from a Black man whos all about, row row row fight the powa and shit..to almost havining a insane dieing women lead the country, to goddammed trump

>Speech wise tho
It actually sounded like he read what they told him to read off the teleprompter instead of " ITS GONNA BE HUGE, massive " and all that other shit he says

>>34936067
It's just random posturing and tough talk that means nothing, other then insulting the locals that were still working with the US and trying to change the subject and get people talking about something else.

>>34936114
Identifying targets and understanding the area requires occupation. You are basically suggesting enough troops to become Afghanistan's babysitter.

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>>34936114
>>34936022

shit pic didnt post.

>>34936068
>but you're wanting to analyze something our CiC said, which is political by nature.
unironically and without malice, kill yourself

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>>34935988
We should probably build the nation and kill terrorists...otherwise they just come back when you leave due to local government ineptitude. Daily reminder that our greatest nation building successes--Korea, Japan, Germany, etc--all still have American troops there to this day.

This had better be The Surge on roids or I'm gonna be pissed. This is in all likelihood political game playing and means nothing militarily.

>>34936166
It does, boots have to be on the ground to go to war...
but rather then village to village, chasing bullshit.
You hold the key points, set up a FOB.
Anything between those points is now patrolled by aircraft, which can fly from kabul to islmabad
to pakistan, multan, karachi, over to iran hit tehran and all those places in between to assist.

Hold the key points, and neutralize whats in between... thats how id fight a war where terrorists look like civvys.

Also drops more soldiers and assets right into the middle of a launching point to hit anywhere in asia and europe..

pretty good plan for world domination thru force.

>>34935978
So nothing changes, great

>>34936022
Swingin, cocksuckah

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it's a distraction from this Presidency unraveling

>>34936234
You can't just control certain sectors with a FOB and expect resistance to evaporate; they're guerillas--they're going to avoid open confrontation with you. That especially includes where you're holed up.

In order to win we're going to have to fucking inundate the country with troops and seriously occupy every population center, village, mountain pass, etc whether or not it's a "key point". Establish American law and order. Build roads and bridges. Form government organizations capable of enforcing law and order in even the farthest reaches of the country (protip: this takes an extremely long time to do properly).

Defeat, humiliation , occupation rehabilitation, and partnership in that order. Simply racking up more dead towelheads in and of itself won't secure a lasting victory.

>>34936234
Moreover, you can't prosecute a war from the air alone. The notion of "patrolling" from the sky is pants on head retarded. There are ways, both passive and active, to mitigate the efficacy of air campaigns. You must present the enemy with an unsolvable problem by backing that air power up with soldiers on the ground.

>>34936156
Fucker's a salesman. He's shit at business, politics, diplomacy, statecraft, marriage, honoring his debts, and pretty much everything else, but be damned if he can't sell.

>>34936156
>insane dieing women
meme magic works both ways, i bet she outlives trump by 10 years out of spite if nothing else

>>34936351

Fucker's a salesman
>trump steaks

>>34936313
Not if you blow them all up
This is how i have won every single RTS game since 1992, Blow them all up
If none are left, then you have won.
>boom


>>34936341
The "Unsolvablbe problem" is...
"Holy fuck achmed if i go outside my cave i get blown the fuck up, What do we do"
"Oohhh i dont know abudl, maybe starve"
"I have no food, they blew up the truck.. let me go look and see if the planes are still there"
>Kaboom

Just blow up everything on the ground, besides shit that between point X and Y and make it heavily regulated.
Wana know how it fucking works ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip
>This shit is literally patrolled by fucking robot boats, planes and aircraft that blow you the fuck up if you go over the fence.

>>34936351
No shit, i completely agree

>>34936363
We actually started a pool at work to see when that bitch was gonna croak.
jan 1s- july 1st 2018 my numbers come back around again.

>>34936445

People have been building tunnels under the Gaza strip and smuggling things in and out. What makes you think a massive mountainous country with thousands if not millions of caves is going to be as easy?

>>34936351
It's ain't really skill if people want to be sold on his bullshit. He's a shit vendor the shit eating public.

>>34936445
http://www.mercurynews.com/2012/11/21/israels-killer-robot-cars-patrol-gaza-border/

and let them loose to drive across the country, picking targets with impunity

>>34936276
Almost entirely this.

>>34936465
see
>>34936445
Point 2

If they are stuck in their caves, im glad they dug their own graves.. saves us the time of blowing them up

>>34936445
>That's how I've won every RTS game since 1992
I sincerely hope you're memeing

If you aren't, why don't you look into some of the famous air only campaigns of history, most notably Linebacker I and II as well as Rolling Thunder. Or read up on how Japanese soldiers stayed in their caves on pacific islands until the mid fifties. Or self analyze what you're saying for two seconds and don't make some nobody on a Tibetan coal mining forum explain to you the dozens of reasons why you're a fucking idiot.

>>34936584

>/k/ (also known among Pink Pistols members as Special K) is the weapons board on 4chan, and the easiest to troll
>is the weapons board on 4chan, and the easiest to troll
>and the easiest to troll
>easiest to troll
>easiest
>easy


with that said, just bomb the shit out of them.. naplam the mountains and let it all burn.
But dont fuck with our opium fields, thats whats keeping this war afloat

>>34935978
>The terrorists will just wait us out and return when we leave.

It's their fucking country, and our definition of Terrorist or jihadist or extremeist or whatever over there is pretty much just the average Afghan citizen. It's subjective, I get that; the point is unless we glass the entire fucking nation, of course they're gonna wait us out and return when we leave; it's called being an Afghan.

>>34936696
The point is unless we glass the entire fucking nation
> Now you get it kiddo

and take the oil once we are done

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>>34936276
Nothing like rooting for the military to distract from supporting neo nazis

>>34935906
All I heard was "Kim Jong-Un stood up to me. Let's go drone some goat-fuckers instead."

>>34936782
not a crime to be white

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Yes we are going Fuck Town on Afgan now, Sending in Mercenary's to kill every man women and child
We then amass on Iran's Eastern Border and fuck town them if they go Nuclear!

AND WE ARE KEEPING THE SPOILS!

>>34936276
>>34936490
Lol, just like msm has been saying since the day he took office right?

You broken records really need a new set of talkong points.

>>34936429
>Trump University

>>34936469
Well yeah. That's literally how sales works: you find out what your potential customers want and then convince them that your AMAZING NEW PRODUCT can deliver it. It works even better with abstractions like stocks, religion, and politics.

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>>34936276
You're a lemming!
Go Back To /pol/

>>34936659
>easiest to troll

I'm going out on a limb and guessing /mlp/ is the hardest.

>>34935906
just give permission to remove any and all reporters from the war zone; that is all we need.

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>>34936802
Not a crime to be not white either

>>34936051
>>34936067
>>34936156
>>34936166

>itt: people who just dont get it.

You undedstand obama giving a timeline for when we were going to pull of iraq and afganistan was a bad thing right? Not giving deadlines, not giving out a specific pie in the sky goals like "nation building", not saying what or where we will be operating is the best way to handle the retarded situation that is afghanistan.

>>34936782
Go fuck yourself cnn

>t. Nonwhite.

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>>34936860
/tg/ is the hardest, because it all just turns into a serious discussion. Even if it has nothing to do with the original topic.

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>>34936313
>government capable of enforcing law and order
>Afghanistan

do you realize how hopeless this pipe dream is? Name one government in the world as poor, or one government in the region at all, that is actually capable of governing. The iranian theocracy wouldnt even be afloat if it wasnt held up by oil money and nepotism. Afghanistan could be as """"""stable""""" as Pakistan and it would still be harboring terrorist who are plotting against the west. And even that isnt foreseeable.

>>34936068
>It's truly mind boggling when you think about how much shit we've wasted in that country.

The thing that blew my highschool mind when it came to Afghanistan. Dubya waved his dick around over Iraq and distracted the nation, then after several years he realized "oh shit I forgot about Afghanistan, troop surge!" and tried to pick it up like a months-untouched save file from a deeply complicated video game.

>>34936696
found the sandnigger

>>34936276
That's the ugliest casual firearm are owner piece, I've ever seen. I hope you choke on your own propaganda.

>>34936166
>It's just random posturing and tough talk that means nothing
This.

Basically, you can and should ignore anything Trump says, the correlation with things that actually happen (or have happened) is pretty small.

Ignore what he says, just look at what he signs. Half of what he signs doesn't happen either but you at least know that he's making moves in that direction.

Even when he has advisors that want to do something, half of them only last a month or two.

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>>34936196
Those were also societies that got past the 7th century

Even attaturks secular turkey has in one generation democratically voted away democracy to descend into yet another Islamic shithole failed state/dictatorship

The only functional nation in the middle East is fucking Israel and they only achieved that by exterminating or displacing the native population of sandniggers

This is if anything more of an actual "war on Islam" than the travel ban. Changed ROE is subtle and if we can just carpet bomb (((non uniformed combatents and non state actors))) who make up 100% of the afghani population while high fiving our Russian allies and their helicopter kill squads we might just get somewhere with the 10th crusade.

>>34936313
>In order to win we're going to have to fucking inundate the country with troops and seriously occupy every population center, village, mountain pass, etc whether or not it's a "key point". Establish American law and order. Build roads and bridges. Form government organizations capable of enforcing law and order in even the farthest reaches of the country (protip: this takes an extremely long time to do properly).
They've been doing that for like 15 years. The Afghan people don't give a shit about a federal goverment or nation-state.

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>>34937045
He is right though. Nobody in that country owes us any loyalty. As soon as reconstruction money (ie, bribes) stop flowing they turn on us. There is no one we can trust who isnt out to paint their own local enemies as taliban, and the fact is that everyone who holds any power has blood on their hands. There are the warlords we call friends, and the warlords we call taliban. They flip on us as soon as we stop lining their pockets. We are getting played by small time regional power brokers in the name of nation building, humanitarian aid, and counter terrorism. If you play the game, you lose.

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>>34937091
Take the oil
Burn the poppy fields
Secure America's energy futures even more than coal, natural gas, and tar sands already do and stop the American heroin epidemic at the root even though it won't stop (((doctors legally perscribing perfectly safe opiate pain killers for every scraped knee)))

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>>34936696
>Our definition of terrorist/jihadist is pretty much the average afghani citizen
Exactly

>>34937177
we dont need their oil and all their heroin goes to europe. If they think its a problem let them deal with it

>>34936826
How is attacking your staunchest allies, firing the guy who made your base, and waffling several times on questions about neonazis anything but unraveling? I agree that earlier shit about him was always msm wishful thinking and bias but hes really lost the game at this point

>>34936826
Hes talked more shit in his 7 months of being president and backed less of it up or delivered on less of it than any other president in mondern history. Hes still got roughly 2/3 to 3/4 of government posts to fill and hes the only reason it isnt getting done

>>34937045
Inb4 im just pretending to be retarded

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>>34936696

>our definition of Terrorist or jihadist or extremeist or whatever over there is pretty much just the average Afghan citizen.

Yeah, ain't it great?

>>34935906
Fuck Drumpf.

This move will only hasten his impeachment.

>>34936784
Kek

>>34936899
>You undedstand obama giving a timeline for when we were going to pull of iraq and afganistan was a bad thing right?
No, YOU don't seem to get it.
Does that mean we're going to stay there indefinitely? 5 years? 10? 25? 50?
>nah, man till the Job is Done™
Ok, has a outlined a plan to win this thing and go home? Actually that's not fair to you, has Trump or ANYBODY in his administration outlined a plan for literally anything he has said he's going to do?

>Not giving deadlines, not giving out a specific pie in the sky goals like "nation building", not saying what or where we will be operating is the best way to handle the retarded situation that is afghanistan.
Dude, you realize you're starting to sound like the President right now? His lack of awareness is astounding. He literally thinks it was bad for the Iraqi army to announce a timeline for retaking parts of their own country from ISIS because he thought it would give up the element of surprise...for an army that numbered over 90 thousand troops. His knowledge of warfare is literally "sneak attacks" (because it's totally possible this day and age) and "bombing the shit out of them".

>not giving out a specific pie in the sky goals like "nation building",
That's the ONE thing that almost always works. From German to Korea to Japan to Vietnam (that is until the government back then started making that same decisions that Trump is entertaining now).

>>34937434
You know what, i take it all back. Unraveling implies it was at somepoint coherently together.

>>34937652
>MidEast
>Nation building
>Works
Pass me some of whatever it is you're on.

>>34937600
Im >>34937475
And i think you should stop posting

>>34937177
>Secure America's energy futures
Do you have any idea how much that will cost? Bringing those companies in there (after a long and drawn out bidding process that'll be used to great effect by choosing the company that gives the most bribes/kickbacks/campaign donations to politicians. Then you have to build the infrastructure to remove it, refine it and move it out of the country (which is one of the world's most dangerous places) and into the US and other nations. By the time the money reaches our hands, we might be breaking even, at best.

>>34936276
>"DRUMP IS DONE1!"
>Shield owner
seems about right

>>34937735
Its a decent gun for its price point, its also not an xd or a glock

the english...the soviets...the mongols...the sikh empire...the persians...the us that first time...but ya sure this time it will totally work

>>34937699
>Pass me some of whatever it is you're on.
That's the point I'm trying to make, it's incredibly hard to due. The same thing was said about Germany and Japan at the end of WW2, but the us military figured out some why to lobotomize those nations and have them obediently doing what we asked for 20 years.

What Trump is proposing (if you can even call his little conferences coherent and fact/information filled) is what lead us down all the wrong paths in all the wrong wars. It wouldn't surprise me if this was a last ditch effort to seem like he's "tough" on something. He's lost all credibility with nearly everybody except his hardcore supporters, who openly fly Nazi flags, have white supremacist leanings and consider everybody who isn't on their team, a Jewish/CIA/DeepState plant. Just the other day members of the alt-right started turning on the guy who organized the "Unite the Right" rally because they think he's a plant and the car through the crowd situation is a false flag perpetrated by George Soros.
/end rant

>>34937794
>it almost always works
>it's incredibly hard to do
>Japan and Germany are totally equatable to Afghanistan
You debate like you're half drunk, I'm not even joking.

>>34937706
>I-I'm anti-Trump too, b-but you should stop posting

Fuck off, Trump is a menace.

This bigoted oaf talked about not nation-building and shit to people, and once again he shows how easily he caves into peer pressure.

Not that Mattis or anyone in the Pentagon are any better. Does anyone really think they'd admit that going into Afghanistan was a complete waste of time and people fought and died for nothing?

>>34937843
Thats the thing though whether i agree or not doesnt excuse you being a meme spoutiny retard that reinforces all the fears and stereotypes the right has about people who dont like Trump

>>34937815
>You debate like you're half drunk, I'm not even joking.
If you're going to debate on this, at least try to respond. it's dishonest to yourself if you have a legit point to make.

>it almost always works
It isn't always successful, (Africa and Vietnam), sometimes it is (parts of Southern Africa, parts of South America, and previously mentioned German and Japan).

>it's incredibly hard to do
That is self explanatory. It takes a large investment and a generational long willpower to do it.

>>Japan and Germany are totally equatable to Afghanistan
You're right, they're not. Both Germany and Japan were established nations with combined thousands of yeas of history founded on things like military service, personal honor and willingness to fight tooth and nail against invaders. The US had all of the cards stacked against them in those two situations and came out just fine. Also, the US COIN operations that took place in Vietnam before things got all fucked up took place in areas that are not very different from AFG, tribal, rural, limited contact with the outside world and generally wary of outsiders. Even today some of the Green Beret ops in Vietnam are still things of note.

>>34937900
I don't care what the right thinks, and neither does the majority of the US.

>Literally known as the graveyard of empires
>Let's get in there again

>>34935906
Just another retarded foreign venture meant to make a few people rich at the expense of many.

>>34937955
Good, maybe the US will finally go the way of the Roman Empire and fall apart.

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>>34935978
Sounds like he's spouting a bunch of bullshit for the cameras while Mattis is given autonomy over the theater.

>>34937955
>graveyard of empires
>completely conquered by the Macedonians who ruled the country from 250 to 125 BC
>completely conquered by the Mongols who ruled the country from 1219 to 1332 AD
>the only reasons those kingdoms/empires fell were due to pressure from other empires/kingdoms, not the people of Afghanistan themselves
I really hate this meme.

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>>34937928
>I don't care what the right thinks, and neither does the majority of the US.
>he says, about the side that won

>>34938038
>lost the popular vote
>GOP is not favored by demographics, since young voters are overwhelmingly liberal and non-white

>>34935978
>>34935906
>not nation building anymore. We are killing terrorists
i fucking love trump.
>>34935988
exactly. basically he is saying we arent giong to get sucked into the cuck games of playing UN police while propping up corrupt muslims in power in some charade of nation building. we are just going to focus on having a strong presence and killing the shit out of terrorists. fuck the faggot arabs and trying to enrich them with democracy, they are a worthless lost cause, a people who refuse to be helped. either fall in line and behave or die like the rest of the terrorists. thats our message to the shitskins in afghanistan

>>34936067
maintaining a strong military presence between two major nation-state adversaries like iran and pakistan while hunting down and killing terrorists and keeping our troops combat trained is not a strategy? especially while one of said nation-states is actively defying international law and trying to build nuclear weapons and destabilize the entire region?

>>34936067
>>34938067
maybe your ideal strategy is to pack up and leave to let afghanistan fall back into the hands of jihadist warlords who run training camps and funding to attack americans? obama and isis jv team style?

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>he wants more of this
http://billmoyers.com/content/a-soldiers-letter-to-his-congressman/

>>34938038
>I don't care what the right thinks, and neither does the majority of the US.
>he says, about the side that won
anon, I...

>>34938085
you think 4k troops and some roe changes are going to stop half the country from being talib controlled? It took 100k just to keep a lid on things back in the 2000s. Trump is doing as little as he can while still looking like he is doing something. This is just like the cruise missile strike in syria. Sounds and furry signifying nothing.

>not thinking about how much American weaponry flowed into Saudi Arabia this year
>not looking at Israel's inevitable push for more territory eastwards
>not looking at India and Pakistan and how that would help them in their inevitable fight against the Chinks
>not thinking the Chinks and Russia would throw Iran under the bus to save their own hides and better relations with the US
>not thinking Russia would play along if there's a guarantee of Ukraine finally being absorbed completely without UN and US intervention
He's still setting the table and it's still a gamble but I'd bet that region is going to look very different by the end of President Trump's second term.

>>34936924
/tg/ turns it into a serious discussion? /mlp/ turns it into another general.

>>34938238
>>34938238
>>34938238
>It took 100k just to keep a lid on things back in the 2000s.
right, because we were nation building. he just said we arent bothering with setting up security or infrastruture for the shitskins. we are just going to have military bases and conduct anti-terror raids. the jihadis who want to fight can die like the rest, the hell with the backwards hajis who refuse to take responsibility for their own shit. if they pick up arms against us they eat dirt, theyll figure it out soon enough. its time for tough love

>>34936445
Could you be any more retarded

>>34937434

Saying "anarchists are violent too" is being pro nazi now?

Fucking /k/ is crawling with leftypol scum now

>>34939616
There's been a huge influx of redditfags ever since the election kicked into high gear. This is why you will now see people unironically call Mattis a retard (>>34937843) here.

That, and LARPing as a #NeverDrumpf fag is a surefire way to get (you)s.

>>34937917
Wow it's almost like you can't make subhuman retards behave like civilized people.

Japan and Germany have both been historically successful societies, and were never as unstable as Afghanistan. They were budding imperialist superpowers that actually posed an existential threat to the existence of our country.

Afghanistan is a country of people a standard deviation dumber than your average westerner that can't even unify the people within it's own borders under one banner, let alone develop revolutionary war tech and expand into surrounding territories.

>>34938140
>sign up to get shot at by brown people
>get shot at by brown people
>"wtf this is terrible i want out"
really activated the almonds.

>>34938338
>>not thinking about how much American weaponry flowed into Saudi Arabia this year
It's almost like Saudi Arabia has had jihad declared on it by regional dictators before
>>not looking at Israel's inevitable push for more territory eastwards
Who cares? Are you honestly saying you'd rather live in Afghanistan than Israel?
>>not looking at India and Pakistan and how that would help them in their inevitable fight against the Chinks
I highly doubt three nuclear powers are going to actually engage in a direct war
>>not thinking the Chinks and Russia would throw Iran under the bus to save their own hides and better relations with the US
Again, why is this a bad thing? Iran is a shithole and deserves to be liberated.
>>not thinking Russia would play along if there's a guarantee of Ukraine finally being absorbed completely without UN and US intervention
Again, who the fuck cares?

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Can someone explain to me why it's worth pouring billions of war dollars into a shithole like Afghanistan?
>inb4 minerals
You don't see Chyna starting resource wars.

>>34937226
>their heroin goes to europe
I don't believe that is an entirely 100% true statement. We have had a few significant busts where bricks of Afghan black tar heroin were recovered. So it is coming into the States via Mexico. From what I read it being smuggled in by the Chinese into South America than smuggled into the States.

>>34936899
>Having a plan is a bad thing

Are you absolutely retarded

>>34937090
Poor Spain...

>>34936067
>complaining that there is no strategy outline after reading a speech where the president said the difference now is that we don't divulge our plans

>>34939879
>having a plan that everyone know about is a good thing
You might be the retard

How about pulling out, letting them do their terrorist shit there, make them comfy, go in, bomb and pull out again, they will crawl out the caves and you bomb them

>>34939943
>>having a plan that everyone know about is a good thing
Have fun being known as the most ambiguous President in history.

>complaining that there is no strategy outline after reading a speech where the president said the difference now is that we don't divulge our plans
He has no plan. He's going to make it seem like he's so super leader when nothing is further from the truth.

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>>34939777

They're colonizing Africa.

>>34940122
They also made deals with the taliban.

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>>34938829
The only thing that's going to happen in that case is that this shit will never fucking end. There needs to be a stable government to provide an alternative and defense against the Taliban. Or at least a stronger warlord the way the Northern Alliance had a potential to be.

>>34939777
>You don't see Chyna starting resource wars.
They're pumping vast amounts of money into Africa and are setting the stage for the next proxy war.

>>34939668
That entire region is setting themselves up for another land grab, that's the point. War in the middle east and America's wars there won't be a factor once real countries start carving it up.

>>34936885
Should be.

Militaryfags

What does this mean?

I feel like Obama tied the hands of the generals and wasn't serious about anything.

>>34936782
I'm a gayfag and the % of neo nazis is really overblown at the rallies. I guess every person who is white and is at a rally is a 'white nationalist' now so gg....

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>>34940344

They think anyone who is right of center, or left, is a Nazi. Even liberals are Nazis. They really are unhinged and dangerous.

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>>34940386
My mother actually talked to me about this. She only watches the news so it's kind of weird to see her opinion and assumption that everyone at the rallies is a neo nazi, everyone who is a republican is now a nazi, everyone who doesn't support the democrats is a nazi.
I asked her what she thought about antifa and she said 'thats not real'.

I don't understand. At all.

>>34940046
I'm sorry you weren't born white

>>34940192
China doesn't need wars to get resources as it doesn't have a moral imperitive to create mini-Chinas, it just exchanges money for goods and services.

>>34940412

That is called denial.

It's only natural to do so when you have a group that proclaims to fight for social justice and righteousness while being terroristic.

>>34938054

>Popular vote

Anon do you understand what a republic is?

>>34937750
>liberal
>also a poorfag bernout
Color me shocked

>>34936067
>Trump takes a shit
>White house leaker gives full time, length, and an audio file of turd sequence

Now take this information and ask yourself why it is a good idea to disclose what should be confidential information on national television

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>>34937652
Historically, telegraphing how you are going to punch an enemy often leads to getting punched twice as hard no matter the odds.

There is a plan, the general public and by extention the enemy, just dont get to know the specifics. The islamists need to believe we will never stop hunting them, that we could be around any corner and that sometimes we will be. If that takes 100 years we will need to let them think we can keep at this for 200.

This wasnt to advise the public it was a tactic to hurt the enemy.

nation building never worked in the middle east, the most we can do is pacify the ones who would do this nation or its allies harm.

>>34939659
He wasn't bitching about getting shot at. He was bitching about his entire brigade having orders to do 4hr patrols twice a day, every day, through IED-riddled territory, with no stated goal or leadership.

And when their FOB latrines got fucked up because of a retarded local and their uniforms got soaked in piss, their "leadership" said "just keep patrolling anyway, bro" and 3 soldiers got sick because of hiking around for no rhyme or reason waiting for ambushes in piss-soaked uniforms.

>>34941432
>Surely the details are just classified for my own good

>>34939943
You're one of the people who believed him when he said he had a plan to defeat ISIS but didn't want to reveal it, huh?

It's like speaking to a fucking child

>>34941432
>>34939943
>>34939918
>The defence secretary, James Mattis, delayed ordering the deployment until there was a clearer expression of the administration’s strategy.

You wanna know what the strategy is? Listen to Mattis. Trump doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about and everything he says is either being explained later or brushed under the rug by the poor fucks that have to clean up after him.

>>34941605
This. Fucking hell, what is the deal with nu-/pol/ suddenly thinking the president has some sort of magic fucking cock he can just wave around and suddenly every problem they have is fixed?
I know /pol/'s always been pretty brain damaged, but now I'm thinking they ran out of local retards and have started importing lower grade 'tards from Reddit or some shit, god fucking damn.

>>34941490
>Historically, telegraphing how you are going to punch an enemy often leads to getting punched twice as hard no matter the odds.
This isn't historical antiquity. You can just move forces around willy-nilly and expect people to be completely blindsided. Is there tactical surprise, yes. But coming out and saying "I'm not telling you my plan because it's super secret" is literally pandering to the dumbest group of his supports who think that sneak attacks at night are still a thing (same with airborne and amphibious ops outside of moving troops and supplies to other locations outside of combat).

>If that takes 100 years we will need to let them think we can keep at this for 200.
Have fun with your literal Forever War, depleted treasury and outraged population.
>This wasnt to advise the public it was a tactic to hurt the enemy.
What tactic? All he achieved was confusing the American public with a literal speech abut nothing. Meanwhile the people we're fighting will keep on doing the same thing they have been doing for nearly 2 decades.

>nation building never worked in the middle east,
Rome and Alexander beg to differ, and they had an even tougher time considering the nature of warfare back then.

>>34939777
How would a dead wrestler turned porn slut start a resource war? Or are you talking about Blac Chyna? Because I could totally see that hoe pulling some shit like that.

>>34939870
It isn't. Europe (I think Germany specifically) generally has first refusal on Afghan opium by way of Pfizer et al, but you're right; there is a lot of it making its way across the Mexican border. No one really knows how, but there is significant evidence of at least some Chinese (people, not state) involvement.

>>34939993
Because that's our mess. We fucked it up, we should fix it.

>>34942013
The thing about chinese people is that every single one of them that the state lets outside its borders is part of the state. They're communists after all.

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>>34942034
No, it's been fucked up for the past 1400 years. Take a good look at this and tell me if you think this is fixable.

>>34942148
I question your problem with this. Aren't you a Mudslime, Phil? I mean, you certainly act like one, seems like you folks should get along right as rain.

>>34938020
That is, however, exactly what is needed. A competent person put in charge over a unhampered military operation. COIN was a total failure, if the war machine was let loose from day one, we would have democracy in Afghanistan today.

>>34942120
No they're not. They're historical capitalists ruled by an armed and violent communist minority. The average Chinese is more interested in making money than the interests of the communist party, except where the latter impedes- or can be leveraged in favor of- the former.

>>34942148
I don't really care about the past 1400 years; it bears zero relevance to the current dialog. Our actions in the region since 2001-ish have fucked over everyone on a global scale, especially ourselves. We had no business in Iraq. Sure Saddam was an asshole, but he was our asshole, doing the one job that was and remains too necessarily brutal for an American public to stomach: effectively supressing and restricting Muslim radicalism. This war should have been a series of bombing runs in Afghanistan and Pakistan, augmented by drone strikes and quick, quiet renditions and assassinations. Instead we drank the "greatest generation" kool-aid and tried to reenact the D-Day scene from Saving Private Ryan in the middle east, to predictable results. Leaving the area without some long term pacification plan in effect, whether political/economical or nuclear, biological, or conventional, will just fuck us over harder.

10/10, made me reply to a fucking tripfag

>>34942161
>Aren't you a Mudslime, Phil?
No, he's just an idiot.

>>34942679
What's the difference?

>>34936765
We're in Afghanistan for those sweet sweet poppy fields, anon

>>34940622
>muh republic

The point is that the right is not the majority, which Trump losing the popular vote only demonstrates.

Yes, he won the EC fair and square, but the people who voted for him do not make up the majority of Americans.

>>34940412
The past few months were a big eye opener for me

I didn't realize how HEAVILY conditioned liberals are to avoid things that might prove them wrong.

I was just telling people to look at what is in the dnc emails, without fail the subject was changed or they back out at the last minute (like on the site with an email id in the searchbar.)

look up how cults keep hold on their members and you'll understand how liberals think.

>>34943719
The same could be said of Republicans, desu

>>34943719
>I didn't realize how HEAVILY conditioned liberals are to avoid things that might prove them wrong.

You realize that Trump and the right like to ignore basic facts, like climate change, right?

Oh right, of course you don't.

>>34943846
>>34943817
>whatabout

yeah you've never talked to republicans you only know the stawman your cult leaders tell you about

why do you think there is so much bickering among republicans and so little among democrats?

>>34943899
>So little bickering among democrats
-t. never watched democrats eat eachother

>>34936313
>Simply racking up more dead towelheads in and of itself won't secure a lasting victory.

Depends on how many you kill

>>34943980
Their political class is monolithic, even after getting shafted by his own party Bernie toed the line when commanded

i've watched the useful idiots get into their little fights, the cult is punishing those who dissent in the "updated" narrative

who's at war with who doesn't matter, what matter is they're at war, there is an us and a them.

>>34943899
> and so little among democrats?
Are you literally deaf and fucking blind, the Democratic Party is in full crisis mode as it struggles to determine whether its Bernie-style fullblown socialist or establishment Hillary-style corporate whoremonger.

>>34943899
>yeah you've never talked to republicans
I have, I'm not goign to sit here and attack them personally, but they're the only group of people who will vote actively against their own interests..
Case in point: elect Trump who wants to repeal the ACA, until they learn that it primarily effects places where they live and their lives.
>why do you think there is so much bickering among republicans and so little among democrats?
Uh, there is? Not to repeat what the other anon said, but the who establishment Dems vs. Dem Soc sides.

>>34936885
Sounds like you're implying it has to be a crime to be one or the other.

>>34943592
The people who voted against him do not make up the majority of Americans, nigger

>>34944342
Yes, they do. Winning the popular vote means winning the majority.

How about we take a look at his approval ratings, hm? Constant negatives across the board.

>b-but Democrats skew the poll results, his approval ratings among Republicans is always positive

Of course Democrats skew the poll results, that's because they're the MAJORITY.

>>34941937
warfare in that time sounds relatively more straightforward

>>34944279
>people who will vote actively against their own interests.
>ACA
so voting against double digit percentage increases in premiums and sky rocketing deductibles and being fined hundreds of dollars for not wanting to buy a product that you can't now afford

Is against peoples interest?

>>34944377
too bad we live in a republic where we are protected by the tyranny of the majority

>>34944442
And that means the majority should have to suffer the tyranny of the minority? Some country.

>>34944449
Feel free to leave.

>>34944377
The majority of Americans didn't even vote, your whole point is asinine.

>>34944449
>waaah i don't get to enforce my will on others because this stupid peice of paper and form of government stops me
>i might have to *gasp* reach a mutually agreeable understanding
>WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

>>34935906
The executive branch is basically impotent at this point.

Remember when Trump announced that transgender troops were banned from the military? Yeah, nothing actually happened with that. No one had told the Pentagon and changing DoD policy requires going through official channels and following established protocol. As that would require functioning communication in the White House and people who know how government works nothing happened.

Same thing is going to happen here. Trump makes some noise, the Pentagon continues doing what it wants to and the US makes "real progress" for the 16th consecutive year.

>>34944473
>It's okay when my side gets to enforce their will on others, but it's not okay when it's the other side I don't like!

And "mutually agreeable understanding"? What a joke. Did you notice how your party tried to ramrod health care legislation through Congress without any Democrat support?

>>34944534
>Did you notice how your party ramrodded health care legislation through Congress without any republican support

>oh woe is me they failed at trying to reverse what I'd call an injustice if they attempted it against me waaaaaaaaah

>>34944429
>Is against peoples interest?
No, voting against the very thing that is keeping them alive is against their interests.
Why not just single payer? Why not tax companies based on how much they make like every other nation?

>>34942268
Yeah I'm excited to see where this goes. I'm sure the rest of the military is happy that an intelligent, field-experienced fighting general is in charge.

>>34944574
Having more people on health care and subsidies for older, sicker people is an injustice?

You must deal with heat pretty well, considering how cold your heart is.

>>34944574
T B H the fact that they can't even repeal the ACA with full majority in both houses and a stacked SC does show how bad of a crisis they're in

>>34944600
>single payer
hahahahha

yeah being forced at .gov gunpoint to give more money to McBlob and Emphysema Joe so that i can wait longer to get healthcare

is in my best interests

>>34936696
I can't wait for the "why are the turrists attacking us" bitching and moaning from all the triggered retards

>>34944600
>Why not just single payer?

Because single-payer would be ridiculously expensive.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/essential/la-pol-ca-essential-politics-updates-first-fiscal-analysis-of-single-payer-1495475434-htmlstory.html

Democrats in Congress know they're going to have to walk a fine line on health care. Their base wants single payer, but they will have a ridiculously hard time trying to sell it once the costs are made know.

>>34944622
hey you could always donate your own cash to make up for my my fair share if you're so compassionate and progressive

you could always start a charity I'm sure rich liberals everywhere will line up in droves to help the poor to afford healthcare

>>34944696
enjoy your bankruptcy
>>34944750
Keeping the military up is ridiculously expensive, but most of us pay for it anyways. So it the upkeep for the drug war, which itself is helping drive up the militarization of police and the restriction of gun rights, but we pay it anyways. We also pay for for profit prisons, which incarcerate people based on dumb charges.

>hey you could always donate your own cash to make up for my my fair share if you're so compassionate and progressive
Why don't we all donate it to the gov so they can give helthcare for all? That would be one hell of a charity.

>>34944839
>Why don't we all donate it to the gov so they can give helthcare for all? That would be one hell of a charity.
i'm pro-choice
i choose not to give money to people like you
:^)

>>34944839
>enjoy your bankruptcy
yeah the because of the ACA my 1k max out of pocket is now 5k and i'm paying more in premiums and taxes so i save less money

if i had only voted for my best interests, curse you rethuglicans!

>>34944949
but if you were black or unemployed or a fat piece of shit with serious priors then you would love your obongo care

>>34935906
Bump

>>34941937
>you can just move forces around willy-nilly and expect people to be completely blindsided. Is there tactical surprise, yes. But coming out and saying "I'm not telling you my plan because it's super secret"
>what tactic
kill all the fucking muslims until there are no muslims or the remaining muslims realize the west can and when pushed at any time exterminate whole nations worth of them if they get out of line. Or we could just kill them all, the "final solution"

>Rome and Alexander beg to differ
they killed the men, raped the women, and expelled the local population not made into slaves or forcibly assimilated in the most classic sense of racialism. You are arguing for why the middle east is a unstable shithole that is "unconquerable" yet your very same argument is why Israel IS the only stable nation there; they kicked all the fucking sand niggers out and subjugated the rest.

>>34944907
>i choose not to give money to people like you
Cool, are you going to continue debating this?

>>34944949
Man, that really sucks, I honest to god feel for you. You have to pay a shit ton of mney to get the care you need. What if we all paid a bit (companies and the super wealthy paying the most) and we all got what we needed? We do it for literally everything else.
So I say again: enjoy your bankruptcy.

>>34945261
>kill all the fucking muslims until there are no muslims or the remaining muslims realize the west can and when pushed at any time exterminate whole nations worth of them if they get out of line. Or we could just kill them all, the "final solution"
Committing genocide for dummies. First Edition. Special guest writer A. Hitler.
If you do that, you'll just end up making more enemies. Also, regarding your little quip about Israel, they attempted to subjugate everybody and they have been experiencing a low scale insurgency for 40 years.

>they killed the men, raped the women, and expelled the local population not made into slaves or forcibly assimilated in the most classic sense of racialism.
Really no, read up on what they did. They would fight in the fields, take prisoners, sell them or offer them jobs in the new Empire and let them be. That's why they were so sucessful, because sometimes they advocated peace (relatively) and assimilation. Alexander was actually criticized by his own people for being too compassionate when occupying the lands he conquered.
>You are arguing for why the middle east is a unstable shithole that is "unconquerable" yet your very same argument is why Israel IS the only stable nation there; they kicked all the fucking sand niggers out and subjugated the rest.
I haven't brought up Israel once, dude.

>>34945589
>If you do that, you'll just end up making more enemies
which is why muslims have made enemies with every group they have attacked. Genocidal iron age barbarians who are incompatible with every other culture and only exist due to our lenience about wholesale killing them when necessary like during every other period of history; the only difference is that the modern version of "square bullets to only fire at turks" are nukes.

>kill all the warriors
>enslave the survivors
>enforce racialism, forcible integration into your civilization, on the survivors
>bu..bu...bu.. his followers criticized him for not just exterminating them all!

so you've proven both my points.

>>34945672
Problem with Islam is that they aren't us, they shouldn't be in our countries, their stolen lands should be retaken for christians/europeans

This is how the world works, not a buncha hippie "lets all get along" bullshit, where they send our tax money to bribe foreign countries to play ball.

>>34945672
>which is why muslims have made enemies with every group they have attacked.
Not really. People who have nothing but bad things to say about them typically have a bone to pick. Take the area where my family is from (the Balkans), animosities are typically based on ethnicity, not religion. I'm fairly certain Sarajevo, which is predominately Muslim, hasn't had any issues with the smallish Jewish community that has been there for centuries.

>>bu..bu...bu.. his followers criticized him for not just exterminating them all!
They did, it's just he took the high road, advocated for diversity and had an Empire that had little in the way of domestic instability brought on by ethnic groups or religions. Things only got shaky when his generals tried to grab power. Same thing with the Romans, in certain areas they just showed up outside gates in Illyria (modern day Dalmatia) and said," We're in charge, you can speak your own language, worship your gods, just be there when war breaks out." and things went swimmingly.
>Genocidal iron age barbarians who are incompatible with every other culture and only exist due to our lenience about wholesale killing them when necessary like during every other period of history
Many other groups have done that too.

>>34945720
>they shouldn't be in our countries
Can't that cut both ways?

>>34945720
>they shouldn't be in our countries

Says who?

>>34945801
>People who have nothing but bad things to say about them typically have a bone to pick
so the spaniards, everyone in eastern europe, everyone who isn't a cuck in western europe stretching back to the time of charles martel, the indians, and every asian culture to ever have or deal with islam or muslims just has a bone to pick and it has nothing to do with Islam being a theological cancer on humanity stuck firmly in the 8th century?

>I'm from the balkans
>any positive thought of muslims
hello Muhammad al durkadurka

>>34945861
we just have to conquer and expel them, then it won't be their country anymore. As has been done throughout all of human history.

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>>34945589
>What if we all paid a bit (companies and the super wealthy paying the most) and we all got what we needed?
wasn't that was what ACA was supposed to do? you know force companies to use their money to give everyone better healthcare for less by making everyone buy from them?

since we're being vindictive
you're gonna go bankrupt and burn with me

>>34945993
>you're gonna go bankrupt and burn with me
I live in Atherton, so not likely.

>we just have to conquer and expel them, then it won't be their country anymore. As has been done throughout all of human history.
Good luck then, man.

>hello Muhammad al durkadurka
We're Croats

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>>34936276
>It's okay Ted, there's a round in the chamber but I dropped the mag, can you look down the barrel and tell me how clean it is bro?

S & W thought this was enough of an issue to stencil
>Caution: Capable of firing with magazine removed
on the god damn thing. Amazing.