Pre-isis /k/

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>>34935718
Well before that there was the Republican Guard, which got rekt.

ISIS steamrolled because most of the forces didn't have their hearts set to it, and more set towards covering their asses. Now that they got their shit together they're pretty kick ass.

>>34935744

When ISIS was at the height of the power, it was only because of the former Republican Guard commanding the ranks. Don't forget that.

After ISIS went batshit crazy in Mosul, the Baathists separated themselves and ISIS started losing ground because they lost their governmental organizers.

>Saddam's people leading the charge
>ISIS is elite
>Saddam's people leave ISIS
>ISIS is about to lose their last enclave

no surprises here, folks.

>Does anyone remember when Iraqi SF were spoopy operators and there were threads all the time?
No. Even before ISIS they largely had the piss taken out of them here. Only time I ever hear anything positive about them is on a strictly individual basis, as an outfit everyone always shat on them just like they shit on whole IAF for being incompetent and unmotivated.

>>34935776
Isn't there still an active Baathist insurgency? I know there's still a couple of the old guard still kicking.

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>>34935776
At the height of it's power, ISIS had its shit together firm. Should've never accepted any random scrub and should've watched those causalities.

But yeah, most of the experienced troops either died, deserted, or didn't care anymore.

The idea that the ISOF got "steamrolled" stems from the videos of them being captured and executed during the 2014 offensive

Did anyone ever consider that the only reason you saw them being captured and killed was because they were the only Iraqi units that stood their ground?

>>34935799

Yes. It's quite active. al-Douri is still leading things and puts out messages periodically. Basically the Republican Guard and former Baathist political officers got involved for three reasons:

1. To get back at the Syrian Baathists, which they've hated for decades
2. To get back at the Iranians, which they've hated for decades
3. To get back at the Americans, which they've hated for decades

And it worked well for a while. Former Baathist party members were becoming mayors, judges, etc; showing ISIS how to manage a functioning government. There's a reason ISIS had such an easy time taking Mosul and Tikrit in the first place. But ISIS got a little carried away and reports were that the Baathists (who are generally more socialist and secular in nature) didn't appreciate how ISIS was treating minority elements in Mosul and that created friction which resulted in all-out civil war between the two groups.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3190314/The-secret-ISIS-s-success-100-former-Saddam-Hussein-era-officers-run-jihadi-group-s-military-intelligence-operations-Iraq-Syria.html

If ISIS could have toned the bullshit down, they'd have eventually migrated into a Taliban-esque government that had some international support and no real motivation to do away with them. But sandniggers snackbar and they had to piss everything away by overplaying their hand.

Coalition Provisional Authority Order 2 caused most of this. Strip career military officers of everything and what do you expect them to do? From their view, I think the eventual goal was to decapitate the ISIS leadership when enough territory was held, and honestly I think the Trump Administration would have been fine with it.

>A potentially pro-American Sunni government that hates Iran
>Or two governments (Syria, Iraq) supported by Iranians

Kurds get Kurdistan, Baathists get a chunk of Syria and Iraq, and a rump Syrian state funded by Russia with Kuwait annexing the lower part of Shia Iraq.

>>34935718
What do people mean by spooky when they described a group?

>>34935967

Like the dudes you dont know doing things you didnt know exsisted.

>>34935718
They were badass, until all the ones that were trained by SOCOM got killed, then they obviously started to suck.

>>34936056

My friend was with the 5th and helped train some of them around 04-08. He said they were fucking useless

>>34935926
We can't have nice things, can we?

>>34936091
You can't.