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>>34924730
Nice Su-35
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Gripen NG is the world's advanced fighter aircraft and could easily go toe to toe against the F-22 and F-35.
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A-10 gang
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When will planes look like this?

Does the shockwave of the wings of a forward swept aircraft impact the wing root?
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>>34924730
Pancakes.
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>>34925651
>When will planes look like this?
Never. Forward swept wings sacrifice far too much to be worth the effort, and there's plenty of ways to get the same benefits with fewer sacrifices.
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>>34925651
>Does the shockwave of the wings of a forward swept aircraft impact the wing root?
Depends on the speed and angle of the wing, but that's generally not an issue - it's just something known as a supersonic leading edge. Supersonic leading edges just mean that the Mach cone angle is higher than the sweep of the wing. It gives you marginally higher drag due to lift and a couple of other peculiar things, but it's not the end of the world. The XB-70, for example, had supersonic leading edges.
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>>34924758
So the Brazilian order finally came through, huh?
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Bitch needs a bath.
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>>34925740
It's just a mockup. Delivery of the real ones only in 2019-2020.
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>>34925896
Halofag get out. Halo's the most cancerous sci-fi fanbase after 40k
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>>34926005
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>>34925896
doesnt that look draggy?
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when are we getting some stealth jets over here
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>>34926005
i never see halo come up anywhere, how is it more cancerous than 40k?
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>>34926095
the wings are mostly meant for carrying fuel and armament. the jets are what controls the vtol.
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>>34927096
its not real also in forward flight i think drag counts
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>>34927061
Not more cancerous than 40k - nothings worse than those neckbeards. The problem Halo has is the weird blend of near-future tech and the autistic expanded universe about it leads to retards circlejerking over "realism" and how cool everything is. They also tend to unironically love the names for the ships, despite every other one sounding like an edgy 14-year old trying to sound poetic.

Have some Grumman concept art for off-topic. If I dig around a bit I can probably find some wind tunnel models for pic related.
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>>34927180
I always enjoyed the semi realism and the army feel to it. Made the game feel better.
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>>34927180
Always cracks me up about how Halo fans complain about weebs, when Bungie themselves were the biggest weebs in the videogame industry, to the point they made an FPS knockoff of Ghost in the Shell.
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Post your favorite fictional planes.
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>>34928049
Who complained about weebs? There is virtually zero commonality between Halo and Ghost in the Shell. Just because Oni exists doesn't mean it taints Halo. >>34927180
Imo Halo was fine all the way up until we started getting into the shit like the Didact reveal. 1, 2 and maybe 3 were a decent interpretation of "human" tech vs alien tech. Don't even have to be a "fanboy" to appreciate that. As with all things popular, you will of course get a very painful following.
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I TRIED SO HARDDDDD
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Chinese J-11
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Soon, baby. First flights should be this year.
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>>34928590
That looks like the Su-35 from MAKS 2017, not a J-11.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMJSL4nkH7Y
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>>34928626
No only Chinese J-11 can do that, Su-35 cannot, that's photoshopped. Chinese J-11 has superior thrust vector technology.
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>>34928257
>you will never see fusion powered space bombers make sorties from the moon to drop megatons of nuclear ordinates on the U.N. building
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you where too pure for this world
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>>34928748
forgot pick
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>>34924758
What makes it so advanced?
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>>34928758
I have such a deep appreciation for the Canadian engineers that designed one of the best fighters of the 60s, only from them all to be routed from their jobs due to canceled ordered.
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>>34928719
>you will never nuke the moon
feels bad man
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>>34924759
>BNSF and UP locomotives together
sacrilege
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Sexiest plane right here, prove me wrong.
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>>34924758
Even as as a Swede, a planelover and someone who worked in the Swedish Air Force, I know that isnt the case.

Its still better suited to Sweden then a F-22 or F-35 would be tho.
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>>34928911
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>>34928911
>>34928928
YOU CALL THAT A TWIN BOOM?!!!
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>>34928911
>prove me wrong
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>>34928916
Can you elaborate why he would claim it is the most advanced fighter?
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>>34928655
>2 rupees have been deposited to your account
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>>34928965
But Indians hate the Chinese.
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>>34928947
>f18
Get that slut out of here, sea vixen is the most boner inducing.
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>>34928965
whhy the fuck would poo's shill chinks?
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>>34928953
It has some things going for it. Right now its the only aircraft with Meteors for example. And the Radar and EW suite on the new E variant is really good.

Its probably one of the best aircraft if you compare what you get with what you pay.

Also, the way information is presented to the pilot and the data-link is also really awsome.

It however also has some drawbacks, like payload capacity.
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>>34929014
It's a light fighter, the payload capacity is understandable. It's rather impressive how much it can carry for it's weight.
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>>34929022
Yeah, I agree.

And its payload and range was never an issue for Sweden anyway.
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>>34926057
>the bastard offspring of an A-10, B-52, and B-2
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I got your plane appreciation right here http://www.titanatelier.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/18B-copy.png
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>>34928965
>a nickel has been deposited to your geography teacher's account
>for great edjukashun!
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>>34928965
Pay attention children
>>34928655
>50美分,已添加到您的帐户
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>>34928965
Again my child, since you chose not to listen to your parents...
>>34928655
>2 bottles of canned breathable air have been deposited in your factory locker
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>>34928719
tfw no perma loiter unmanned drone carrier
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>>34928758
>>34928783
I always feel this jet is way too mythologized; it's still a 60s interceptor and it's performance wasn't incredibly superior to existing interceptors like the F-4, the F-106, the English Electric Lightning, or the F-101 that replaced it. It was a big accomplishment for sure, but some Canadians seem to labour under the assumption that it was a UFO.
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Planes?
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>>34929054

Wait? Are you saying the plane isn't perfect? Makes me hate the JSF.
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>>34929324
>jet "fighter"
>straight wings
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>>34929319
The two damnest shames is the fact that Dief didn't understand what the French understood with Dassault and their jets: ours might not be the best but it is ours. The second one is the 206 was never tested. CBC did a huge disservice to history with The Arrow. Just saying.
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>>34929584
Shut your whore mouth.
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>>34929584
>Pleasure is at 0% when something is straight

Just what I expected from animeposters
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>>34924730
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>>34929034
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>>34929584
i used to fap to this sex game all the time
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>>34929629
What are those rockets? They look amazing
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>>34929793
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=045Y7SppJog
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>>34929815
Thanks senpai, I thought they were A2A rockets but wasn't sure. The simple aesthetics of the launcher is crazy.
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>>34929820
They are A2A rockets.
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well, here we go...
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>>34924758
I'm looking forward to the Gripen replacing the F-16 as a second-world light fighter
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>>34924758
does gripen mean Griffin in swedecuck?
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>>34924730
I suppose this is as good a place to ask as any
How does someone with a standard high school education to get a career in civilian aviation in Australia?
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How long till boeing or airbus makes an airliners like this?

10 years or 20 years?
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>>34931042
oops
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>>34930950
Yep.
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*teleports behind you*
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>>34928770
It can fly.
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>>34930963
Get flying lessons and start getting them hours boi

Or go to a college that's for aviation
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>>34929584
It was 1943. We were just figuring things out.
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>>34929136
How the fuck is it powered?
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>>34933998
No one really knows yet.
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>>34931052
It's hard to say, believe it or not, one of the limitations of aircraft design is the ability to evacuate every passenger within a set time limit. I think that limit is 90 seconds. This is only one of many arbitrary limits put on the design of passenger aircraft. Which is probably why jet airliners have not seen any radical departure from their design in over 70 years.
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>>34926095
Imagine more like a heli than a plane.
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>>34933998
Either solar, nuclear or hydrogen.
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>>34933998
It's a garbage fiction series for autistic memelords who can't actually meme. who cares?
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>>34925651
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>>34928758
>>34928783
>>34929319

Hey she had a great life as a MiG-25
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>>34934431
*Su-15
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>>34926005
Take that back you fucking heretic!
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>>34928626
A RAND Corporation report in 2008 found that the Su-35 could shoot down 2.4 F-35s for every aircraft lost

woah....
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>>34932645
Sit down kid, or else I'll call the Foxbat on you again.
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>>34929054
>(((Air Power Australia)))
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>>34935560
It's complete bullshit, but hey, it gets headlines, right?
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Some OC I took at an airshow. I know the quality isn't the best (need to buy better glass), but what do you /k/unts think?
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>>34934121
>UNF.

More like 'unf' am I right?
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>>34935560
>>34935575

But in the real world, Russian fighters are consistantly BTFO by western fighters. No matter how many times we've heard about the next great Russian plane, they are in the negitive on the K:D. It's like they just love getting their shit kicked in. Why vatniks even suit up and scramble is beyond me. All they are doing is flying to their deaths. Even the "legandary" honchos in the Korean war we're negative 1.3:1 kill ratio in favor of US pilots in the "inferior" F-86A vs. the Mig-15bis. And when the F-86F was introduced? Shit shot up to 8:1 western advantage. Why live in the sky Ivan? You belong on the ground, in the mud.

Fuck honchos
Fuck Russia
Fuck their avaiation industry
They will get pounded like they have since WW2.

The F-22/F-35 will skull fuck the chink J-20/anything from Russia. They can't compete. DO I need to post the western master race fighters vs. Russian trash tractors pic yet again? Because I will. Until Russian planes actually get some real world performance and real life kills, your bench racing means shit.

*Mic drop*
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>no phantom posting or draken posting

sad thread.
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>>34929075

>You be good up there okay.
>Take care of that pilot okay girl?


Why the fuck is he talking to my plane again?
I don't know sir
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>>34934121
Ace Combat's fictional fighters are fucking garbage. What kind of moron designs a forward-swept wing fighter WITHOUT elevators?

>>34925651
Planes will never look like that. That plane has such small wing area that it wouldn't be able to carry any ordnance besides a couple short-range AAMs and would have absolutely shit turn rate.
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>>34936463
Lmfao how fucking mad are you right now.
Russian aviation is such a joke yet a single mention of them makes you sperg out like a cringey fuck wad.

>brand new 4th generation F-18C gets killed by a 3rd gen MiG-25 flown by an arab

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
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>>34937014
>What kind of moron designs a forward-swept wing fighter WITHOUT elevators?
Grumman.

>Planes will never look like that. That plane has such small wing area that it wouldn't be able to carry any ordnance besides a couple short-range AAMs and would have absolutely shit turn rate.
You got the general idea right but the reasoning so incredibly wrong. Wing loading isn't nearly as important as people make it out to be for fighter performance, and there's been plenty of high-wing-loading fighters that performed perfectly fine. And limitations in useable wing space is hardly a limiting factor for mounting ordnance. Swing wing designs historically have very limited wing space for hardpoints (F-111 being a major exception), and yet they don't tend to have any significant payload limitations.
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>>34937014
Most mechanical/concept artists aren't aerospace engineers.
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>>34937014
>fictional
Anon, I...
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>>34935575
Nice sducts
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>>34932792
Would I be right to assume it's expensive as fuck?
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>>34937783
Where have you been seeing real life Falkens, buddy?
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>>34925896
Someone with very little understanding of aerodynamics did the art concept
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>>34937014
>Ace Combat's fictional fighters are fucking garbage.
I beg to differ.
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>>34928975
cuz he's a poo prenteding as a retard chink?
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>>34938080
Veritechs when?
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>>34934118
No fun allowed, huh?
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>>34938115
*Variable Fighters
Veritechs always sounded pretty silly to me.
I know some people also refer to them with the blanket term of "Valks", but only the VF-1 is called that officially, so my autism gets triggered over that as well.
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>>34938080
That's actually probably one of the worst ones, actually:
>folding away all vertical surfaces for "fast" configuration eliminates longitudinal stability when it needs it the most
>combines all the structural issues of swing wings with those of forward swept wings
>not area ruled
>folding wings away opens the leading edge of the inboard wing, completely fucking aerodynamics and probably causing the wing to stall

And that's not even getting into how operationally useless the agility offered by a three-surface aircraft with thrust vectoring is.

>t. aerospace engineer
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>>34938128
Posting more delicious Excalibur.
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>>34938147
Yeah, but it looks fucking cool.

What's the most feasable AC superplane in that regard, then?
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>>34938183
When I saw the thumbnail I thought it was pointing down and to the left instead of up and to the right.
I was legitimately interested in that strange horseshoe crab looking wing shape.
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>>34938232
Well, there is a Macross design that looks like that.
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>>34938250
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rfpxki_7ocE
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>>34938309
>4x 320mm railguns
>6x Raytheon/Bifors heavy missile tubes
>1x 30mm Vulcan gun
>2x high manuvrability close range missiles
Its a 101 tons of pure badass.
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>>34930950
Yes. It can also mean arrested.
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>>34938250
Looks cool, thanks man
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>>34938344
Kawamori remains one of my favorite mecha designers, just for being able to pump out so many robutts that actually look somewhat like planes in plane mode.
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>>34938356
Transforming mecha was never really my scene.
I never liked how it seemed like every fighting vehicle from japan had to look like a giant metal person. Really made me appreciate when stuff DIDN'T transform into a giant metal person, like the spider tank things from Ghost in the Shell.
I understand it can be done tastefully, but the over saturation just killed my enthusiasm for it.
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>>34938380
Well, that's why I like Macross shows, because most of the time they're in fighter mode, and if they didn't transform, you'd never be able to tell that there was a big metal dude underneath all the plane bits.
That said, I do wish that there were more pure plane-centric anime produced.
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>tfw the harrier is almost dead
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>>34924730
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>>34928393
HNNNnnng
Fuck this country. We fucking gave up.
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>>34928613
> be America
> lose more muhreens to Ospreys than enemy fire
> Armin Blackhawk works fine, don't kill many armins
> gettingidea.mp4
> what if a osprey FUCKED A BLACKHAWK?
> BLACKOSPREY
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>>34934118
>autistic memelord

ironing
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>>34928991
t h i c c
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>>34938147
>folding away all vertical surfaces for "fast" configuration eliminates longitudinal stability when it needs it the most

They can pop up if needed and it has 3D TVNs so it's not a oncern.

>combines all the structural issues of swing wings with those of forward swept wings

It also combines all the advantages. Yeah there are generally trades offs for things in the real world.

>not area ruled

It's a prototype

>folding wings away opens the leading edge of the inboard wing, completely fucking aerodynamics and probably causing the wing to stall

Which is why you would not do it during a high AoA. Simple.

>t. aerospace engineer

No you are just another freshmen engineer moron who has a lot to learn.
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tfw no nuclear seaplane
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intel planes a best
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I fucking love massive boatplanes
they're so stupidly hot
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>>34929584
sauce? reverse image isn't picking up anything.
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;~;7
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The prettiest V bomber, without a doubt
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>>34929748
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>>34939705
What markings is that? Argentine?
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I love Vietnam-era planes and paint schemes
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>>34924759

and Automobiles
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>>34937626
X-29 still has strakes. Does not invalidate my point when Morgan and Falken completely lack any aft control surfaces, which partially defeats the purpose of forward-swept wings, or so I'm told.

Look at anon's plane again and tell me where the hell they're gonna put the ALCMs with wing roots that small.

>>34939282
Lateral TVN is as big a meme as differential thrust for dogfighting. Unless done under ideal circumstances, you will most likely enter a sideslip, which you then have to counter, wasting time and energy, if not outright entering a flat spin.

The entire forward spar is missing and the rear spar is less than half the length of the wing. The only structural advantage of forward-swept wings is more useful internal wing volume for fuel and redundant control systems, which you don't have any space in the wing for now that it folds up. The reason we don't have any active forward-swept wings in the real world is because there's still a serious problem with keeping costs low when trying to deal with aeroelastic divergence. Unless Wyvern is made from some super-strong, super-stiff material, that wing is going to snap right off at high AoA. Also, those intakes. Look at those intakes and try to tell me with a straight face that that plane is meant for high AoA.

>not do it during a high AoA.
Hold on, let me tell the enemy fighters that I'm going to level out so that I can unfold my wings.
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>>34940673
Excellent.
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Oh hey, while we're on the topic of Ace Combat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgyqYq80PW0
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>>34924730
>no phantoms itt
Sad!
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Still the kill of the world.
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>>34940673
>>>/kno/
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>>34941093
I love ace combat, i really do, it was the franchise that made me into planes, but the very first thing that happens in that trailer is an F/A-18F doing a cobra.
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>>34941204
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>>34941190
It's trying to recall what it once was.
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>>34941211
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>>34941190
You should have played the last two games, ACI and ACAH. Foxbats doing Kulbits on your ass.
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All kneel before your Supreme Master
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piece of art
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>>34941278
>top mounted intakes
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>>34936001
this is a sick ass picture, we need more harriers in here
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>>34938336
like grabbed?
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>>34928613
Oh god, is that supposed to be the Blackhawk's successor?
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>>34942763
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>>34943192
>tfw you realize the F-35 is just a stealth harrier with fly by wire
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>>34943196
No, it's a regular stealth fighter with a variant that's better at everything the Harrier did.
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>>34925162
brrrrrt
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>>34942763
Thanks m8. Here's another. Didn't have many opportunities to get a photo from the front.
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>>34943265
cute!
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>you will never patrol alaska while having enough nukes with you to blow up the whole state.
Why even live
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>>34924758
Heuheuheuheuheuheuheuheuheuhehuehhuehuu
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>>34928910
as someone who works at BNSF, that happens all the time.
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>>34939282
>Thrust vectoring can deal with longitudinal stability
In theory yes, but with the size of that forward fuselage and the length of the plane it'd be very difficult and hardly a satisfactory solution.

>Combines all of the advantages of swing wing and FSW
Which is something you get from plenty of simpler solutions that don't lead to structural clusterfucks like that. The benefits of FSW are as much structural as they are aerodynamic - FSW allows the spars to be put well aft of much of the aircraft to provide space in the fuselage, and they also offer some niche benefits at high angles of attack like wingtips stalling after the inboard section.

The problem is that FSW inherently suffers from aeroeslatic divergence issues that are far from trivial - the X-29 had to use advanced composites in a single structure spanning the entire wing from tip to tip to address the issue, and the Su-47 demonstrator was limited in its top speed not by pure aerodynamics, but the structural limits fo the wings. Splitting the spars into inboard and outboard sections would compromise the structures of the FSW while introducing the structural issues of swing wings as well.

And for all of this, you're not really getting any advantage. The point of swing wings is to increase the sweep of the wings to drop wave drag, but the sweep of the inboard and outboard sections is identical, so you'd only get a modest drop in wave drag from the reduced span.

Instead of being retarded, you could get the same aerodynamic benefits of the FSW with simple wing-twist optimization algorithms that are decades old. And that's all while avoiding the major wave drag issues of FSW and the structural issues of both FSW and swing wings.

>muh high AoA
Would only cause the wing to stall faster

You talk like all the mechfags think that you can just pour enough R&D into a concept until it's more viable than any existing technologies.
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>>34924730
Those are jets, you dumb retard.
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>>34945854
jet+plane=jetplane
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59 years on and there still isnt a more aesthetic plane
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https://sputniknews.com/military/201708221056682682-mig-41-jet-russia-mig-31/

The Russkies are working on a new interceptor by MiG, project name PAK DP but nobody knows what it will look like. Apparently its designed for Mach 4+
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>>34945505
I want to hear your thoughts on this thing.
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>>34943560
yikes
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>>34926005
a) 40k is awesome
2) have you heard of moba's?
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>>34943560
Hit by a BuK.
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move over, dicklets
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>>34949187
>SLUF
>Short Little Ugly Fucker
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>>34947867
>>34948834
You know it is an RC plane?
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>>34934118
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>>34939455
/f/ will know.
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>>34936751
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>>34950353
Your image is mislabeled.
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>>34932739
wtf is this true??
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>>34937767
That's where you're wrong kiddo
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>>34950723
macross and yukikaze are just as bad
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>>34950723
Kawamori dropped out of his aerospace engineering course because he got too busy with his anime work.
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>>34933998
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>>34946971
>vatniknews.com

They literally report propaganda. There's been no need for high-speed one-pass interceptors since the early Cold War anyway.
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>>34924730
>planes
>posts a pancake
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>>34950585
Maybe; they flew the first one a month or so ago
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>>34924758
It's a good fighter for Sweden but I don't think that is the case.
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>>34928257
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>>34928257
:(
it could have been real
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>>34949187
Eats seamen.
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>>34956010
>Red Storm Rising intensifies
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>this will never be declassified
why even live?
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>>34952476
>2 engines

That's a C-27 Spartan (G.222)
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THRUST
H
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U
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T
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>>34957274
The number one distributor of MiG parts.
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>>34957274

The Triumph of Thrust over Aerodynamics
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>>34943560
t, bombardcuck
>>34945505
Hey,what is wrong with this?
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>>34956029
No it couldn't. Aeroelasticity is a thing.
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Wheres the best place to mount a laser on a fighter aircraft?

Belly/Shoulder? Wingtips? Nose/Tail?

Basically I think there needs to be a minimum of two laser lenses but if there might be a way to share the diode if the lenses are in-line. And there might be a way for the lense to pop up out of a hatch like on the f-35 so maybe that is a way that one lense could be used for 360/360 degree coverage.
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>>34961448
Dorsal and Ventral.
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>>34957098
IT DRIVES ME FYCKING CRAZY AND THEY ACT LIKE THE x-43 WAS THE FIRST HYPERSONIC SCRAM JET VEHICLE WHEN THE X-15 WAS ALREADY OOPERATING WITH A FUKKEN RAMJET IN THE 60s AT MACH 6 AND YOU FUKKKKEN KNOW THEY MADE SOMETHING BETTER AFTER THAT

WE ALL KNOW IT WAS AT LEAST IN EXPERIMENTAL FLYING STAGES IN THE 90S BUT THEY WONT FUKKKKEN ADMIT IT EVEN THOUGH THE FUKKKEN CHINESE RUSSIANS AND EVEN INDIANS ALL HAVE THEIR OWN HYPERSONIC PROGRAM

LOOK UP PROJECT ISINGLASS AND FUKKEN TELL ME WITH A STRAIGHT FACE BRO THAT THE TECHNOLOGY WASNT USED IN THE AURORA PROGAM

FUKKEN CIA NIGGERS
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>>34961475
then it has to stick up over the cockpit to shoot forwards?
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>>34961495
Anon calm your tits. The X-15's ramjet experiments only ever mounted dummy ramjets and progressed no further because the shock interactions almost melted the ventral fin off.
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>>34961671
Oh, well still. Don't you think there is at least one operational hypersonic interceptor out there? Wouldnt that be the ultimate ABM? And there are tons of conceptual sketches from all the major military powers.
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>>34962082
Nope. Hypersonics are pretty counterintuitive on the operational scale. Although the absolute top speed may be very high, the time it takes to get to the design speed increases as you shoot for higher mach numbers while the complexity of the system - both in terms of the actual design and its operational deployment - grows exponentially.

I can't seem to find the paper right now, but one of the Boeing HSCT overviews found that average speeds for supersonic proposals were fairly low beyond about Mach 3. For example, at Mach 10 and a range of 10,000 miles, Boeing expected an average speed of "only" Mach 4, despite exponentially higher weight and cost.

With a combat aircraft, the issue would be similar. Even high supersonic (Mach 3+) aircraft are tremendously difficult and expensive to operate, as the SR-71 showed. The attempt to weaponize the design as the YF-12 showed that it operationally wasn't viable. Because of the need for a special tanker to refuel it right after takeoff, the YF-12 really didn't offer any significant advantage in intercept time over existing designs like the F-106 despite being absurdly expensive.

And thanks to the limitations of Hypersonic flight, you'd see the issue only get worse for any hypersonic interceptor. The tremendous heat involved requires special materials to address it, usually requiring some kind of ablative surface and always requiring extensive maintenance before re-use. Then you've got concerns like endurance and flexibility. The longest hypersonic flights to date are still under ten minutes, and turn radii for hypersonic vehicles would be measured in thousands of miles. Hypersonic aircraft are also often too specialized for normal aircraft operations, so even getting it up to altitude and speed is going to require some kind of special operational practice that will be more costly and time consuming than using conventional aircraft.

Really it's only a good idea for missiles.
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>>34928719
I hate how Osea is always getting it's super planes hijacked
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>>34962210
Hmm well dont you think the mach 2 limit on fighters could be pushed to mach 3 + with advanced materials like space shuttle titles and possibly active cooling (which would also help with low observability?)

Also Pulse Detonation Engines might make them relatively effecient so the giant amount of fuel the Sr needed might be mitigated.

Imagine a stealth fighter that flies with active cooling at mach 2 cruise speeds to the target then hauls ass at like mach 4 to get out while using extensive countermeasures. With regards to size the SR was not much longer than a Su-35. 98 feet and 72 feet respectively.

And i understand what you said is the general aeronautical engineering standards but it's been like 60 years since the SR and materials have even advanced since the space shuttle. For example look at the heat tiles on the space shuttle vs the x-37. And also if pulse det engines take off (pardon the pun) then wouldnt pushing top speeds be advantageous?
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>>34962210
>>34962849
Forgot the pic but it's a Long-EZ fitted with a pulse det engine.
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Why are russian planes so big
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>>34962082
hypersonic or not, the time to intercept is still way too long, especially against MIRVs. The problems with your interceptor are the same problems with the Sprint missile combined with the fact that the interceptor would be manned and would have to deploy a payload. The only "perfect" ABM system would be a bunch of space tethers covered in nuclear-powered FELs
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>>34962931
>nuclear-powered FELs
what did he mean by this?
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>>34930579
Gotta love the most Murica plane out there.
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>>34928257
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>>34930649
>dat 100% german power
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>>34963818
Is it wrong that I want them to re-release the old Ace Combat games on PC?
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>>34964069
You know you can emulate PS2 and PS1 games RIGHT NOW?
I'm pretty sure the Ace Combat general on /vg/ has a link to a bunch of emulation guides.
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>>34962849
>Hmm well dont you think the mach 2 limit on fighters could be pushed to mach 3 + with advanced materials like space shuttle titles and possibly active cooling (which would also help with low observability?)
Realistically probably not. Cooling is a major problem, and it's hardly trivial. The Concorde, for example, got a foot longer at cruise, and the SR-71 had the skin panels expand under heating to close up the fuel tanks. Active cooling is a thing - the SR-71 used its fuel as a heat sink to prevent certain areas from overheating - but it's not a solution on its own. And heat shields for reentry vehicles aren't a good solution either - they rely on different principles than regular aircraft do. Some use ablative shields, where the shield is burnt away, while things like the Space Shuttle relied on detaching the shocks from the aircraft (whereas every supersonic aircraft has the shock attached to the skin to reduce drag).

And then there's aeroydynamics. For sustained supersonic flight, the aircraft has to be designed so that everything ends up behind the Mach cone. For low speeds, that's simple, as you can see with planes like the F-35 or F-16. But as you go faster, the more skewed aft the design gets. Planes like the XB-70 or SR-71 have highly swept surfaces sitting almost as far aft as they can put them to keep them inside the Mach cone. Going beyond Mach 3 puts you into the low end of the hypersonic envelope, and by that point aerodynamic heating reaches the point that it's no longer trivial - generally, you design the entire aircraft around the heating aspect to the detriment of the mission.

It's really hard to stress how bad the heating problem is. This calculator can at least give you some numbers to show how hot things get:
http://www.dept.aoe.vt.edu/~devenpor/aoe3114/calc.html

>cont
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>>34926005
>40k
That isn't how you spell star wars.
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>>34962849
>>34964263
As far as engines go, pulsejets aren't exactly groundbreaking. They're as old as turbojets in concept, and they're a weird niche that suffers from all the drawbacks of ramjets (having poor thrust at low speeds) while being more mechanically complex and less workable at supersonic speeds. For high supersonic flight, the best solution isn't a pulsjet, it's a ramjet. The SR-71, for example, bypassed the turbojets to ramjets at cruise.

And you're running into the same problem a lot of people have with technological limitations. The exponential advances we've seen in many areas like computers aren't applicable everywhere. The basics of supersonic flight were mostly figured out when NASA was still NACA. We've pretty much figured out all of the basic science by the mid '60s, and most of the progression from then on has been in other areas - materials science, finite element analysis or computational methods, and manufacturing processes.

That's part of why you see all these old unclassified proposals for hypersonic vehicles - the people involved didn't fully understand the problem they were working towards at the time, as hypersonic flight is one of the few areas that still has some research to be done. Raw computing power doesn't fix the laws of aerodynamics, and materials science can only go so far to deal with the tremendous stresses and temperatures hypersonic flight subjects an aircraft to.
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Took these today, A-7 is best waifu
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>>34928613
>Be the muhreens
>Build a helicopter that kills you
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>>34939464
What was the point of the wings folding like that?
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>>34964837
The wings fold to take advantage of the supersonic shock front or something like that. It improves the lift-to-drag ratio IIRC
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Huehuehue
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>>34965177
Truly, the createst CAS aircraft of all time.
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>>34941093
Modern russian planes are so gorgeous
How can anything else compete
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>>34943230
the harrier had the same problems as the F-4 didn't it?
relatively short wingspan that prevented turning on a dime?
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>>34933998
Wind powered.
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>>34930649
I TRIED SO HARD AND GOT SO FAR
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>>34925871
>That completely asymmetric stores configuration.
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