I'll just leave this here.

>>34924634
Hahahhahahahhahahhahahahhahaha again?

>>34924634
AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
americans think they can take PLAN
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>34924638
Turk roach

Couldn't have happened to a better ship.

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>>34924634
So soon?

>>34924634
Again? what the fuck? was this merchant ship also crewed by Flips?

>>34924634
That's two ballistic missile defense destroyers out of action both out of the 7th fleet which operates off of China and North Korea... Might be more going on here than just poor seamanship

>>34924677
It takes a while for incompetency to make it's way down the ranks. Get used to it.

>>34924788
Ya think?

>>34924836
Don't tell me...

>>34924817
Yes

>>34924634
>(((merchant))) ship

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>>34924843
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2523600/President-Obama-nominates-female-4-star-Navy-admiral.html

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>>34924836

>>34924846
LMFAO. How did you come up with that?

what the fuck is wrong with the navy that they keep hitting other ships

Looks like the US is the new Russia.

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>>34924634
>US Navy "navigators"

>>34924634
and the navy wonders why the air force keeps getting all the money

>>34924634
Of course, trump the draft dodger wouldn't know who to pick to drive ships. This country really is a joke

>>34924892
Yeah, Trump chooses every navy O-3 and above personally.

>>34924788
>>34924817
retards

>>34924899
Ya think?

>>34924899
Idf

>8 years of Obama
>0 collisions
>1st of Trump
>2 of navy most modern ships hit by a fucking freight ship

Really scramble my ramble

another example of the glorious Aegis defense system in action.

>fails to detect container ship

>fails to detect merchant ship


muh top of the line tech.

>>34924788
Are you saying your sailors are paid by the Chinks? Because it seems that so far people consider the Fitzgerald's personnel to be at fault.

>>34924915
EMCON.

>>34924898
I think he's being sarcastic, but there are plenty retards out there who think the President's leadership has instantaneous effects throughout the ranks.

>>34924677
Liberian flagged, crewed (possibly) by Flips.

>>34924677
>was this merchant ship also crewed by Flips?
Probably. Flips make up something like a quarter of all merchant seamen worldwide.

>>34924926
Even without active sensors both of these ships should be able to maneuver properly.

>>34924959
I know, I'm just saying it wasn't a failure of the ship's radar.

>US Navy ships literally too stealthy.

>>34924634
did someone order chinese food ?

>>34924634
This is unbelievable, lol.

>>34924662
Were you stationed there?

They were busy eating spicy chinese food

>>34924634

>John McCain strikes the merchant marine yet again

Even as a ship, he fucking hates the industry.

>>34924909
>Arleigh-Burke
>most modern ship

Dumbass.

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JUST

>>34924634
I don't like this news. I'm going to have to leave this thread now.

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Let me guess?

They took it like a man?

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>>34924634
Currently in 10 Million Chinese households
>CHANGCHANGCHANGCHANGCHANGCHANGCHANGCHANGCHANGCHANGCHANGCHANGCHANGCHANGCHANGCHANGCHANGCHANGCHANGCHANG

This is the absolute state of John McCain.

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>>34925204
This is the result of Chinese cyber warfare.

>>34924634
AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHA
>US NAVY
LMAAAAAAAAAAOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>34925167
I demand Rule 34 Philipinio maid ship girls ramming their thick bows into Murricas stern

>>34925251
Fake Fakenews

It was Russian hackers

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how long are we going to tolerate these fuckers

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>>34925346
What'cha gonna do, white boi?

>>34924634
ALLAHU AKBAR

>>34925058

Weren't they supposed to be replaced by now.. they're over 25 years old

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2t4rYHKhoc

>"How powerful is it" not very powerful since it crashed into a 600ft mercant ship today,, the transexual US navy was to busy "getting it on" with each other to notice the massive, slow moving ship, LOL.

>>34924909
There were 3 collisions in 2009.

>>34924806

This.

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>US """Navy"""

>>34925388
Hmmmmm

>Just updated..10 sailors missing..5 injured...let's hope for the best for them..

>>34925389

Plus the Porter in 2012, another of the same class

>>34924634
Fooking burgers
>>34924638
Get droned with the rest of your family

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>>34925417
>JUST

>>34925388
>Trump just announced McCain sent to SCS
>this happening

China.

It was China all along.

Damn those Chinese. How do they do it? How can they get away with it?

>>34924817
Don't you have some fag porn to jerk off to?

>was thinking of joining the air force
>dad nearly crashes in his T-38
Nope
>thinking about the nav recently
>now this
Marines and army crash their shit all the time so maybe the military isn't for me

Wtf USN?

"Aside from the USS McCain and USS Fitgerald incidents, the Navy crusier USS Antietam ran aground dumping over 1,000 gallons of oil in Tokyo Bay in Februray. In May, another cruiser, USS Lake Champlain, hit a South Korean fishing vessel."

>>34925417

Fuck, so 10 dead?

How much you want to bet it's non-white/democrat crews intentionally sabotaging things

Also yet another example where armor would have saved lives

>>34925417
>>34925429


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/20/world/asia/uss-john-mccain-collision-merchant-ship.html?mcubz=1

>10 Sailors Missing After U.S. Destroyer Collides With Oil Tanker Off Singapore

IT KEEPS HAPPENING!

>>34925251
Aesthetic as fuck.

>>34925454
If you don't want to get seriously injured doing stupid shit, or get killed by your fellow incompetents when THEY are doing stupid shit

Then yea, the military is not for you

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>>34925346
You can't even navigate through their reefs.

>>34925486

>Also yet another example where armor would have saved lives
Good seakeeping would have done that as well.

>>34925417
Part of the ship now

>>34925489

More flooded compartments? They said the ship was returning under it's own power

>>34925508
>all that fine wood

>>34924638
wahhabist piece of shit

The USS John McCain just completed a, for the chinese, provocative FON-Ops within their 12 nautical mile zone around their artificial island...

Was this just a coincidence?

True to its namesake.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/08/20/uss-john-s-mccain-collides-with-merchant-ship-in-pacific.html

>>34925536
>positing a bullshit conspiracy theory to explain routine incompetence and stupidity

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>>34924634

>>34925454
That's because you're what's known as in the military world as a "pussy."

>I wanna do cool shit but its scary!!!! xdddd
consider video games I guess.

>>34925536
Kill yourself already.

FREEDOM OF NAVIGATION LMAO

>>34925556
>Second Edition

always gets me

>>34925560
>military
>cool shit

pick one

>>34925585
It's a real book, and it's out of print, so legit copies go for $100+

This is why I like being on boomers. Hard to hit anything when you're underwater for 3-6 months at a time.

>>34925510
Always safer to be in a more robust ship

>>34925659
>let's lose 5 knots off top speed because the sailors and officers are total retards

>>34925659

My point is, all I'm really concerned about right now is how this happened from an operational standpoint. Personnel incompetency (or if we're being conspiratorially-minded, Chinese spies among the Navy's ranks) is a far bigger problem than the debate about marginal gains to survivability from increased ship armor.

>>34924677
>>34924947
>>34924948

Mfw my dad is a seaman who mostly "drives" the ship

>>34925710
70 years of liberal presidents pushing social engineering on the military/military contractors is the cause of this

Ships should be both bigger and better armored
Maybe that way commercial ships wouldn't run into them so much.

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>>34925710

>>34925489
The Chinese really should start paying significant bribes to crash more third party ships into American ones.
All you need is one filipino on each ship

>>34925746

I parenthesized that comment for a reason

>>34925556
>that nose
You just knose

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he's losing it

>>34925818
>reset of the crew members

what did he mean by this?

>>34925824

It's fake.

problem is US naval seamen are lazy and stupid
second problem is that admirals are ordering
emcons which are retarded in these sea lanes
i think the admiralty in japan is about to get rekt

>>34925839
Without EMCON, they will be detected by Chinese ELINT satellites and targeted by ASBM.

>>34925839
shouldn't there be an autopilot that prevents this shit

>>34925737
Surface area increases slower than volume. It makes sense up to a certain point but afterwards the ship just can't compete with two smaller objects of equal total mass. This combined with advances in miniaturization of both systems and energy storage means that the same work can be achieved even more efficiently by the smaller objects.

Meh. I see it as a big trend among all service members in all branches. Anyone with a semblance of competence, ambition or self-respect has abandoned the service as soon as they could. Our armed forces are a joke now, run by incompetents and filled the the desperate, delusion or destitute. I am honestly hoping we get our shit kicked in during the next real conflict so we can expose just how rotten we've gotten so it can be fixed.

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>>34924634
>Another Burke gets RICED playing billion dollar bumper boats
>It's the USS John McCain

>>34925847
yeah sure even if we were at defcon 2 than they should
run their passive surface radar at night every 10 minutes
just to avoid surprises or visual detection

>>34924634
Again?
What the fuck are you doing, burgers?

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>>34925251
>I'll suck the internet dry.

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Approximate collision location.

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((((merchant)))) ship

>>34925852
If the cost of ships was related to their weight that might be relevant

>>34925866
>le conspiracy
conspiracy is that the US navy is bereft of expeirenced sailors
and the admiralty are technologically incompetent

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>>34924836
What the fuck is it?

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Once is an unfortunate accident. Twice may indicate a real problem that needs to be addressed.
Perhaps complacency towards staffing watches. In any case I'm sure the Norks will roast the US with some stupid statement like "Imperialist blowhards fail at simple navigation, how can they ever hope to survive in combat against superior People's Navy?"

>>34925818
Lmao I hope this is fake

>>34925914
If you count USS Antietam being grounded it's thrice already

>>34925902

Probably that is the problem, yes.

Although the revelation that USN warships are wide open to covert electronic attack would just be illuminating incompetence of a different kind.

Is this the naval version of micro aggression?

>>34924836
>>34924862
>'Men have the luxury of being average,' Howard said in an interview in 2000.
>'When men walk onto a ship, on board they have the luxury of being average. When you walk in as a woman, that assumption does not come with you—you need to prove yourself,'she said.

kek.

>>34925892
We knowse who it was

>>34925251
Goddammit! The firewalls encrypted!

>>34925935
he said*

>>34925921
Forgot about that one. Three mishaps/accidents this year then and each costs at least a couple million to fix.

>>34925958
They probably save money by sitting in dock rather than steaming in circles on "patrol"

>>34925251
I like the little rifle teepee the other guys have erected in the background.

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>>34925982

Source?

>>34925882
>>34925251
https://youtu.be/7uHo-QYqkrY

>>34925943
>Encryption code is limited

>americucks actually have spics and niggers, fags and trannies in their military
>americucks bow down to women and their feelings
>americucks hold niggers and muslims on a pedestal
LMAO

>>34925982
And this is why they need a bigger ship, so that crew are not packed in there like fucking sardines

Clearly these commercial ships are far more robust than the fancy 10 times as expensive military ship.

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>>34926011
This is the Cole

>>34925982
Bulbous bow from tanker definitely pierced her under the waterline. At least the radar and bridge didn't get smashed in like on the Fitzgerald.
Still sucks that they probably lost at least 10 sailors and will have had some flooding.

>>34925991
Reddit (/r/navy), sadly

On June 17, the guided-missile destroyer USS Fitzgerald collided with a container ship off the coast of Japan. That collision resulted in the deaths of seven US sailors.
On May 9, the guided-missile cruiser USS Lake Champlain was struck by a small fishing boat off the Korean Peninsula.
And in late January, the guided-missile cruiser USS Antietam ran aground while trying to anchor in Tokyo Bay.

This is one fucked up operation

>>34926065
Modern US military is a shitshow of incompetence

>>34926002
>America is a superpower which means the rest of the countries are even worse off
LMAO

>>34925380
No, those ships are constantly being upgraded and the new DDG-1000 is too cost-ineffective, so they'll still be around for decades to come.

>>34926100
Burke Flight III's will be more expensive & less capable than a Zumwalt in the end

>>34924634
I blame the brain tumors.

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>>34924634

Read both the parent article and the reply to comments. It's worth it and a fascinating look at the differences between Navy and civilian martime operations.

http://gcaptain.com/uss-fitzgerald-fault/

This is obvious some sort of bizarre protest against our lord Trump.

>>34924634
Well, since this one got hit on the port side and the other got hit starboard, maybe they're going to slice both of them in half and glue the good parts back together and make one hybrid?>>34925404

>>34925404
IDK, they drifted into foreign waters, didn't make things worse by shooting their way out. Not sure what else you do once you're there.
Imagine if an iranian patrol boat drifted up and our coast guard picked it up and they got all belligerent

>>34926125
>Eyes, looking out the windows of his ship, are important because they can process information – like erratic course changes – faster and more accurately than electronic RADAR and charting systems.

How old and ignorant do you have to be to make comments like that
muh eyes & brain faster than any computah

hahaha

>>34926150
And then Obama paid the ransom for them

>>34924836
Since she's commander of forces in africa and europe, would she have anything to do with this, other than red meat racism?

Don't these ships have an actual person standing watch, using binoculars and their eyes to find shit they might hit?

>>34925847
Then somebody add some DAS-like glorified webcams with TV/FLIR that provide 360o coverage and can alert the bridge crew, because clearly the watchstanders are incompetent.

>>34926151
He's not old and has plenty of other experienced mariners who agree with him.

The Navy itself agrees because the Navy uses lookouts too you mongoloid.

>>34924836
>>34924870
>>34925910
>>34924843
But I don't think she is part of the 7th fleet.

>>34926150
Go 180 and firewall that bitch.
Almost impossible to hit a small boat going 45kts from another small boat going the same

>>34926172
So you wanted them to just be kept there?

>>34925485
Depends. Could just be stuck in a dry compartment, or said compartment could've flooded like with the Fitzgerald. Odds aren't great, but hope for the best.

2x in ~1 month

>not thinking this isn't subterfuge and prelude to war

>>34924653
35 yuan has been transferred to your account

>>34926235
>not realizing this is just run-of-the-mill gross ineptitude

>>34926222
We paid no ransom and China gave our air crews back

>>34926197
there have to be at least 20 personnel on deck watch
while their one radar emmissions control. this is a total
fuck job. if i were the president i would direct the secretary
of the navy to gut that fleet until they can work safely.

10s of millions of dollars at stake if you include lives

>>34926218
they had an engine failure, which is why they drifted into iranian water. Hard to row at 45 kts

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>>34924926
Eyeballs. The ship should be equipped with several sets!

>flips ram into american ships again

>>34925486
>How much you want to bet it's non-white/democrat crews intentionally sabotaging things
I'll raise your bet, Ludendorf, because of all the conspiracy theories that's probably the dumbest. Never attribute to malice what can be attributed to incompetence.
>muh armor
Forgive me for not saving the screencap, but we all ready debunked this when the Fitz happened. You could ram a fucking Yamato-class with another ship and still get similar damage. At the levels of energy we're working at, armor means absolutely fuck-all.

>>34925589
Maybe if you're a dumb peacetime grunt, yea

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>>34924634
This destroys the US navy...

>>34926100
Not at this rate!

>>34926289
Yeah, for whatever reason people just don't get that ships don't react well to collisions.

>>34925486
Not Really. Armor hinders Damage Control.

>>34926252
Then tell the goat fuckers for a tow back out or help a nigga fix his ride. Don't gotta be a dink about it

>>34926289
If these container ships were solid chunks of steel, then maybe you would have a point
But they are not, and they will crumple if they hit a stronger ship.


More important you won't be looking a dozen dead/injured because crew quarters were pierced + flooded

>>34925929

Who needs covert electronic attacks when you can just float tankers into them? This is absolutely ridiculous, paying trillions of dollars for refitted warships just to ignore naval sensibilities employed thousands of years ago.

>>34926205
'never let facts get in the way of racist tropes'-/k/

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This is the Alnic MC,
Is clearly to little to be seen...

>>34926341
Would love to have seen your response to a bunch of farsi speaking goatfuckers pointing a lot of automatic weapons at you and your disabled boat.

daily mail is reporting that two berths and the 'shaft alley' are completely flooded
i'm guessing that the shaft alley maybe the drive shafts to the propellers
collisions are serious shit. you, the ship, and the sea/death.

Fucking McCain killing more sailors. They should have sunk that boat into a reef the day it was christened.

>USS Lake Champlain participated in a freedom of navigation operation on Feb 18, collided with a South Korean fishing vessel on May 9.

>USS Fitzgerald participated in a freedom of navigation operation on March 28, collided with merchant ship off Japan on June 17, 7 dead.

>USS John McCain participated in a freedom of navigation operation on Aug 10, collided with a merchant ship near Strait of Malacca on Aug 21, 10 missing.

See the pattern?

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>tfw you live long enough to see triremes to make a comeback in your lifetime

>>34926295
>stack rocks at home
>stack rocks in some 3rd world shithole

who had the right away?

who had the right of way

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I fix navy ships and iv seen many crews.
We have the best warships in the world.
However the crews are shit, so those ships mean fuck all.
Half of them are fat, or cute girls that would end up locked behind a flooded bulkhead. Its pretty pathetic. I work harder then those faggots on the daily grind of fixing shit.
The navy needs to be trained to at least army standards,or that fancy tech is worthless.

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>>34926405
>>34926405
>>34926405

>>34924634
This would have never happened to a CVN. Therefore, henceforth all CVN captains and helmspeople are to be transferred to vessels no longer than 500 yards from bow to stern.

>>34926432
Post more proof that you fix ships.

>>34926432
the main problem is recruitment and retention
navy can't keep more than 20% of it's enlisted and fewer
of it's junior officers a second tour

>>34926424
>>34926430
generally speaking the larger container ship has right of way.

>>34926405
So Flips hate USN freedom of navigation operations?

>>34924634
(((merchant))) ship

>>34925982
That's about where a crews berth is at
Calling it, more Dead sailors

>>34926484

I'm half expecting a presidential tweet in the next 24 hours suggesting that USN vessels should reserve the right to blow up any vessel that is in its way.

>>34926424
>>34926430

yer mom coz is bigga

>>34926389
Act indifferent to them, pretend to be busy talking on the phone, try speaking Spanish.

>>34926565
"This is why we don't name ships after losers! Sad!"

>>34926563

I was about to ask why ships would be designed to put its berths where naval accidents would probably collide, but the answer is obviously because we expect these ships to be manned by the best naval crews in the world.

>>34926475
No proof atm that wouldn't dox me, but I can answer most things accurately if it helps.

>>34926563
10 missing and 5 injured. Others should be accounted for?

>>34924634
It would be hilarious if North Korea offered to train the USN in seamanship.

>>34926617

My tax dollars.

>>34926476
Got a source on those numbers? Not saying you're wrong but would like to see the statistics on this.

An active-duty Navy officer expressed concern to Fox News over the training of young Navy officers aboard ships.

“It’s not the same level of training you used to get,” the officer said.

>>34926588
The berths on destroyers are all in spaces adjacent to the hull becuse it's the best place to put them, the rest of the ship is full of other stuff, just be sure they don't get hit. Im no navy destroyer expert Its one of their weaknesses imo. A torpedo hitting the space when the crew is asleep and 1/3 the crew is desd.

>>34926635
They did sink a South Korean ship 7 years ago and killed 40 people. That's more combat USN has seen in the same period.

>>34926610
what is a shaft alley?

>>34926656
The real weakness on the Burkes is that the VLS cells aren't isolated. You take a hit to one and all of them can explode.

>>34926654
The problem is retention.

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>>34925710
hell the chinks probably spoofed a GPS satellite or something

or maybe they have a massive land-based directed energy weapon system manipulating the bodily organs of the crew, remotely and covertly?

Hell maybe some Japanese anti-war radicals drove the container ship into the vessel?

We just don't know.

>>34926656
Ship can operate on 2/3 crew.
Core systems>sailors

>>34926690

No wonder Navy has trouble retaining people, then.

>>34926687

>>34925866

>>34926690
>>34926687
>>34926681
>>34926677
Do not worry once we have AI we will not need these incompetent fleshbag sailors anymore.

>>34926416
I live for the day when I can look someone dead in the eye and say: "Give me Ramming speed."

>>34926416
jesus fuck how old are you

>>34926675
It's the part of the ship in an engine room where the drive shaft is exposed , it sits it a large area that's basicly between the engine room decks and you can look down on it, there's room to walk around for workers.
Does this count as like spying or some shit saying too much on a destroyers insides?

>>34925044
no shit. support the jones act. we on the great lakes sure do. only people that dont like it are filthy puerto ricans and hawaiians

arizona doesn't even have a port. he's got no business meddling in maritime affairs, the fucking traitor.

>>34926699
That's why we need the artificial intelligence.

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>>34926710

>>34926651
http://www.military.com/PDF/2014-Navy-Retention-Study-Report-Full.pdf
official numbers should be in here but, my knowledge comes from an op ed printed in the navy times back in the early 2000s about all the stupid shit the US navy has wasted itself on. like carrier missile sponges, $10,000 toilet seats, and most importantly a crusty old overbloated admiralty with 18-20 average crewmen that get out of the navy asap.

>>34926722
doubtful but reportedly the alley shaft is flooded on the mccain so therefore maybe the engine room is also breached

>>34926723
>>34925044
I thought it was named after his dead dad?

>>34925251
I wish I could be half as badass as this motehrfucker

>>34926725

Even if we had AI or remote control, it takes people to maintain a ship. In a NavyNet, you would have to junk all these human-dependent ships in favor of low maintenance AI-only ships. And thats just not going to happen because reasons relevant to human stupidity.

>>34926405
The pattern is that you have 2 billion dollar naval vessels being deployed for useless busywork at 100 million dollars a year

>>34926770
>Even if we had AI or remote control, it takes people to maintain a ship.
Wrong we can just build maintenance robots as well.

>>34926747
That wouldn't make sense at all. The engine rooms are mid ship. If it got that far somehow then the ship is fucked. But by the pics it doesn't look like it. Mabey someone fucked up In a panic and flooded it?
In the area that was hit, it's a birthing,

>>34926785
The Chinese are shadowing us with their vessels every time so we're wasting their money too.

>>34926770
YFW Navy camo is more about hiding stains than anything else.
It's actually camo for the paint splatters, grease stains, not the people.

>>34926786

Which would also require maintenance.

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>>34926432
>dock worker saying literally anyone else is a lazy piece of shit.

>>34926827
That's why you have maintenance robots that can maintenance each other. Or you replace them when the ship has to come back to dock.

>>34926790
or more likely the limey reporter from dailymail got the info wrong. kinda odd that they would name the shaft alley specifically though. info could have come from a sailor of the ship over mobile

decommissioning battleships was a mistake

>>34926841

Then you might as well just employ people if they're lower maintenance.

>>34926843
I mean, the engine room and breathing are on the same deck bit it would need to not only smash through the armor like but THROUGH the berathing and like several more spaces deep. The image doesn't look like it piericed that far

>>34926651
so i give up my search
i assume the actual retention numbers aren't published
for strategic reasons. also, the services always declare
they've meant their 'recruitment goals' which are like 5,000 for the navy. ridiculously low

"It's not a heroic ship. I like ships that don't collide with other ships. OK? I hate to tell you that." - Trump

>>34926854
If those people are going to be crashing ships then I don't think so.

>>34926853
>Something even larger that takes longer to turn from a collision course
>Heavy armor plating means patching holes is very difficult
>Larger crew means collisions have more casualties
'No.'

>>34926898
Larger ship means collisions have no casualties

>>34926905
This! Nobody died on the cargo vessel!

>>34926872
now that i think of it perhaps the merchant damaged a propeller and the sea water is flooding up the drive shaft? the keel is obviously not snapped like the fitzgeralds was

>>34926898
>if I were to collide with a fuckhuge ship I'll take the dingy because it is easier to maneuver and gets repaired much easier
plz be my guest do that

>>34926872
>>34926872
>>34926872

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4808054/USS-John-McCain-collides-merchant-ship.html

https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/details/ships/636017930

>>34926930

The crew is reportedly fighting flooding in two crew berthings and an area of the ship known as the 'shaft alley'.

https://twitter.com/DavidLarter/status/899432103552716800

What happens when we go to war and the crew won't stop tweeting or taking pictures of computers?

>>34926968
You have to be 18 to be on 4chan.

>>34926968
I'm sure you're joking but they'll probably ban you now.

>>34926975
Well,I´m staying here anyway.

>>34926955
which i believe is due to submarine damage around where the prop and drive shaft go into the hull. so the sea water is flooding under pressure up into the engine room

next question is where are these retards going to goto port? if they don't just go into singapore and end up abandoning ship i'll just shit myself

>>34926972
The blacks will promptly mutiny
The other non-whites will promptly take their ships & defect

And the 10 remaining old white officers will be fragged by the hispanic gang members who are supposed to be "US sailors"

>>34924634
Yet another reminder that DESTROYERS ARE NOT CRUISERS. QUIT USING THEM FOR THAT ROLE.

>>34927014
They're sent there so sail near artificial Chinese islands. Sure showed them...

>>34924634

USS JOHN S. MCCAIN

Armaments:

One 29 cell and one 61 cell Mark 41 vertical launching systems - a shipborne missile canister launching system which provides a rapid-fire launch capability against hostile threats
90 RIM-156 SM-2, BGM-109 Tomahawk or RUM-139 VL-ASROC missiles
Two Mark 141 Harpoon Missile Launcher SSM (surface-to-surface missile)
One Mark 45 5/54 inch (127/54 mm) lightweight gun
Two 25 mm chain guns
Four .50 caliber (12.7 mm) guns
Two 20 mm Phalanx CIWS (an advanced radar-controlled gun system)
Two Mark 32 triple torpedo tubes

Home port: Yokosuka, Japan

Commissioned in 1994

Specifications:

9,000 tons
505 feet long
66 feet wide
Top speed: 30 knots
Range: 4,400 nautical miles
Crew:
23 officers
24 chief petty officers
291 enlisted sailors
Propulsion: 4 General Electric LM2500-30 gas turbines, two shafts, 100,000 total shaft horsepower

>>34926994
if you look at pictures of US ship crews there are ships with 95 european-american then there ships where they threw in every mongrel on earth
uss mccains latest photos seem to be one of the 95 percent white crewed ships

>>34926905
>>34926912
There was probably about a dozen men on the cargo ship. Arleigh Burkes have 276 crew, according to a quick Wikipedia search. The Iowas had ~2,000.
It's not about ship size, it's about the population density. With a large cargo ship with a tiny crew, the crew's quarters can be isolated and tucked away. A tiny portion of an otherwise huge ship. With a Navy ship, you will have more crew space, which is typically placed in the sections that don't need to be protected as much. Usually on the sides and just through the hull side, with the vital combat and machinery spaces deeper within the ship.

>>34927036

ALNIC MC

Flag: Liberia

Built in 2008

Ship type: Chemical/Oil Tanker

Gross Tonnage: 30,040

Net Tonnage: 13,312

Deadweight: 50,760

Size: 600 feet long by 104 feet wide

>Implying this isn't the work of the Chinese

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>>34926992
>next question is where are these retards going to goto port? if they don't just go into singapore and end up abandoning ship i'll just shit myself

>>34927053
>Flag: Liberia
>Liberian ship hits American ship performing freedom of navigation operations
WEW IRONY

>>34927050
If the destroyers were built to the same scale of these container ships then crew spaces could be safely above water lines + not next to the hull.
Also there should be armor around places where the crew is densely packed.

>>34926251
More like billions. Fixing these ships is a bitch and requires a complete deconstruct.

>>34927148
But unlike Fitzgerald the electronics are not damaged

>>34927167
so? It's a tonna fucking work to start tearing it apart & replacing the structure of the ship
Electronics should be the cheapest part if they didn't wildly overpay for old radar designs

While I'm here, I fix the ships. AMA

>>34927112
Are you suggesting we construct battlecruisers in order to thwart the danger that is the cargo ram?

>>34927226
How much cost savings do you estimate there is in ship constructions
Say something like a Burke that might contract for 800+ million just the hull.

How much can be saved.

>>34927238
Almost $400 million, easily.

>>34927236
Battlecruisers get injured too easily.

>>34927238
Imo that level of damage would cost hundreds of millions at least. Mabey close to a billion. If it actully did hit the shaft alley, might as well build a new ship for the cost.
>Contracts get paid a shitload
>very expensive and overpriced equipment to fix and replace
>the ship will be sitting in dry dock for more then a year

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>All Chinese Software reports back to home base!

Why dont we just put armor skirts on our ships?

>>34927236
No. We must build our own escort rammers to protect larger craft from freighters and other Improvised Ship Weaponry

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>>34927277
we already have a problem with skirts on ships!

>>34927279
Cover ships in ERA

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>>34927279
I know just the thing

>>34927301
Brilliant! We can deflect the ramming ships away using the blastwave from the ERA.

Did the ship even get shots off before it was sunk by the enemy freighter?

If the CIWS can't even hit a slow moving container ship how can it hit a cruise missile

>>34927319
fight fire with fire
equip all destroyers with ice crackers and put them on merchant ship ramming patrol duties

>In response to the rampant cases of poor seamanship in the United States Navy, many new nations have enacted new rules that must be followed by American vessels when transiting through their waters.
>A large flashing light must be installed on the highest point along with an oversized speaker that announces the presence of a possibly hazardous vessel.
>The message blasted by the speaker will be "RETARD ALERT RETARD ALERT"

Ciws is for defenses rather then attack. Its ment to stop missles by filling the air with so much led it sets it off. It can attack but defense is the first operation

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What is Trump gonna do with these recent events
How are we going to prevent a ramming boat gap with the chinese and the russians

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>>34924634

ais information for the other ship
https://www.vesselfinder.com/vessels/ALNIC-MC-IMO-9396725-MMSI-636017930

http://www.marinevesseltraffic.com/2013/07/vessel-finder.html

live vessel traffic http://www.marinevesseltraffic.com/2013/02/military-ship-track.html

>>34924872
worse, they are BEING hit

>>34926699
There will be a draft if we ever need the bodies

>>34927440

Who is going to train them? The same guys who trained this lot?

>>34927339
>>34927071
To be fair, the waters around the Strait is one of the heaviest shipping traffic in the world. Literally tens of thousands of container ships converge to an area a few kms accross and 50 meters deep at places. No excuse for not using Eyeballs Mk I though.

Alnic MC currently in transit bearing g298 deg true @ 6.2 KTS

>>34925508
WHat ship is that? Is it really made from wood? What happened here?

>>34927526
We've got a hit and run.

>>34927546
Minesweeper, my friend. She ran aground on a reef.

>>34927546
USS Guardian that hit a reef in South China Sea, they use wood so that it won't trigger the magnetic mines.
http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/news/nation/301683/uss-guardian-removal-from-tubbataha-reef-completed/story/

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>>34925521

>Not having a oak farm in Charleston to get your own fine wood.

>>34925818
>reset

Tell me this isn't real....

If I wanted to see niggers Id join the navy

>>34924634
Should have bought Chinese.

>>34927685
This !!!

Not really on topic but couldn't we put slat armor on ships to defeat incoming anti ship missiles? It would work just like it does on armored vehicles, detonating the misfile early to prevent its warhead from penetrating.

>>34927685
They can't anymore :(
https://www.wired.com/story/army-dji-drone-ban/

>>34927705

>slat armor
>any chance of even partially defeating a 7+ ton missile moving at multi-Mach speeds

>>34927724
1000mm armor is enough to stop any cruise missile

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So /k/ give me some scenarios

>no one is on watch and sees another ship get that close?
>merchant/tanker/oil ships are magentically attracted to US warships?
>the Chinese fucking with our navigation systems?

what the FUCK is going on?

>>34927741
US sailors are incompetent and neglect their duties. It doesn't matter if all their navigation systems are utterly fucked, they should still see the ship coming and take appropriate measures.

>>34927741
Large ships change course slowly, as do incompetent training regimens.

US navy really needs to develop a career path closer to that of a merchant marine for their most critical personnel. These crews are underexperience and get oo little sleep.

>>34926344
Container ships are the most heavily constructed ships in the commercial world outside of A ice rated hulls. Takes a lot of steel to keep it ridged enough not to crush containers. Now this ship was an oil tanker which is like a bendy straw. On phone and lazy so I am going to address a couple other things to other people.
1. Rights of way do not change because you are big or a warship(outside of acts of war).
2. I have not looked at the prints since 96 but I believe that the shaft alleys on a Burke are separated from the engine room by watertight doors.

>>34927738

Technically, no.

>russian cruise missiles have nuclear variants
>200-500kt nuclear warheads

>>34925866

AIS spoofing has been a known issue for years now... but a shitty lookout, thats the real scarry part

>>34927741
>>34926405

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>>34927774
>1. Rights of way do not change because you are big
Wrong

>>34927817
This. Would you rather be "right" or would you rather be alive? Always cede to the heavier vessel.

>>34927817
>Wrong
>The Law which is more common sense than explicitly written
>than explicitly written
>than
>written
Did you even make an attempt?

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>>34926729
Who is this black beauty that I want to make sexual firearm puns with

>>34927796
What's sad is you could probably train a parrot to serve as a better lookout. Not even kidding.

>>34927831
see >>34927827

>>34927832
I know it's tempting but don't dilute your Aryan genes anon

>>34927837
See what? Someone affirming what I just said? That rights of way do not change?

>>34927774
>oil tanker which is like a bendy straw
Nigga, oil tankers have the toughest hulls of nearly anything that's not either icebreakers or battleships. Many of them have double or even triple hull constructions to prevent spillage.

>>34927840
I'm going to COLONIZE, anon

>>34925454
>thinking about joining the military
>scared of being hurt

You should probably reconsider your considerations.

Even though >>34926418 is 100% the truth and the likelihood of you getting hurt doing something "cool" is virtually non-extant, the likelihood of you getting hurt doing some stupid shit is decent, the likelihood of getting hurt because of someone else's stupidity is >80%, and the likelihood of military "healthcare" leaving you disabled after a single enlistment is virtually 100%.

>>34926675
It's just up from ball place.

>>34927844
Are you going to seriously argue that gross tonnage right of way is not a practical reality on the south china sea?

Are you suffering from brain damage anon?

>>34927878
>practical reality
Man did those goalposts move fast. Giving way to someone who can't give way does not change the right of way in any way or form. Will you deny this?

>>34927885
What other set of rules are you suggesting exist in international waters?

You were the one that brought up right-of-way. I posted well known maritime guidelines. What is your counterargument?

lmfao

>>34927893
>What other set of rules are you suggesting exist in international waters?
Show me the international maritime regulations section or part that supports your statement with legal jurisdiction.
Something being practical reality does not make it law. Was either ship restricted in her ability to manuever, as per international definitions?
> I posted well known maritime guidelines.
Guidelines are not law. Right-of-way is a well-defined legislative term and you are mistaking it with practical reality and guidelines. Giving way willingly is not legal compulsion.
>What is your counterargument?
You are wrong. You made a rash judgement, making an obnoxiously pitiful "Wrong" post without any backing, then you moved the goalposts when challenged, shifting from talking about right-of-way to practical reality.
You are a fool.

>>34927964
would you kindly produce your maritime legal guide of laws regulating the south china sea. I'd love to know what your source is for the shit you;re spewing.

CNN reporting that the McCain lost steering as it was transiting the strait.

>>34924909
>>34925058
Flight 1 Arleigh Burke, barely any significant upgrades since they were built.
Though Captain Bennett, second of his name, is probably shitting bricks right about now as JAG and the CNO turn their dread gazes upon him and his staff.

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>>34927981
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Regulations_for_Preventing_Collisions_at_Sea#Jurisdictions
As enforced by membership in
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Maritime_Organization

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Now we know why Renhai has such a huge bulbous bow.

>>34928004
Right, in their legal framework it's called "Give Way" rather than Right of way, but it means the same thing.

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>>34925167
Fitz still made it back to port under own power, though!
AND it wasn't rendered combat ineffective, it could still act as gun/missile platform if absolutely needed.

>>34928020
Now point me to the section that supports your statement.

>>34928020
>>34928020
And they do specify that Give way is given to vessels that cannot stop due to size or navigation constraints.

>>34928025

Read it yourself, I was able to find it in under a minute.

Essentially Gross Tonnage still wins.

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>>34927964

these are the rules of he road that the united states uses https://www.navcen.uscg.gov/pdf/navrules/navrules.pdf

its based on the COLREGS and inland navigation rules, all deck watch officers are required to memorize these

>>34928020
>but it means the same thing.
Absolutely not.

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>>34928035
>Read it yourself, I was able to find it in under a minute.
So it doesn't support your argument, since you clearly were unable to find support for your statement. I'll end this here, since you clearly have nothing to stand on.
Good day.

>>34928043
I love a good pedant. No one has right of way according to those regulations, I get that, but way is GIVEN to vessels in those rilex explicitly based on navigational constraints.

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>>34925510
LISTEN UP ERE CUNT

>>34928047
>lack of reading comprehension

Sure thing, bud.

>>34928050
Yes, colregs has one ship give way in various scenarios, but no ship has the right of way in any sense. This is a basic tenet.

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>>34928047
>>34928035

until we know what happened we dont know what rules they were not obeying

who has pix of the damage?

>>34928072
I bet they got t-boned like the Fitz did, neglecting to keep clear from a starboard ship.

>>34928071
Hey man, it was the other guy that was acting like right of way was a thing in waters. I just posted te egross tonnage guideline, because it's correct basically all of the time, and there is no legal right of way.

>>34928074

all the officers who are cmdr/capt probably were in the same class at the academy, right? (just based on average time in service)