M27

>>34911870
no its not smart

They will miss that firepower. It's priceless when you are being attacked

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>>34911870
>>34911877
>>34911886
>obese arm chair commandos thinking they are smarter than the entire marine corps

>>34911911
That's not hard to do.

>>34911923
nice dunning kruger effect you dickless coward that never served

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>>34911911
>Marine Corps
>known for its common sense and forward thinking

>>34911877
>>34911886
>>34911923

Mutherfuckers keep saying it and I'll just repeat what the truth is.

THE OLD GUNS ARE WORN OUT AF AND THE USMC HAS TO BUY NEW SHIT!

The price of buying new weapons verses buying replacement parts is the biggest factor in this.

>>34911961
>4chan user
>known for accomplishing anything in life and not being a total waste of space

>>34911943
It's a joke water dog, not a dick. Don't take it so hard.

on the one hand, modern infantry is 99% mehcanized and has access to a capital 'g' Gun that is on a vehicle and even when they dont, rapid sustained fire can be simulated by enough semi-auto rifles firing in coordinated sequence. carrying that many grenades and launchers is questionable in a world of long range firefights with unarmored farm boys who aren't usually supported by vehicles or behind hard cover, but whatever, better to have and not need, etc.

on the other hand I doubt that any muhreen is smart enough to ever not fire on full retard and just magdump every time, so a belt-fed gun will be sorely missed

>>34911988
fuck off back to call of duty neckbeard, its the closest youll ever get

>>34911870
Marines finally realizing why assault rifles were invented in the first place to replace semi-auto ones. Bravo.

>>34911996
Mmm yes your insecurity is delicious

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I am a pleb; would that gear be any good for an amphibious assault? If not, what would be a better choice?

>>34911979
Grasping at straws now, aren't we?

>>34912017
From my understanding the Marines don't practice opposed landings anymore. They focus on clearing beachheads with aircraft and surface ship fire support. So no more re-enactments of Normandy or Iwo Jima.

>>34911988
>>34911870
>water dog, devil dog
why is the USMC the most cringey force on earth?

>>34912090
Devil dog is what the Germans called them in WWI for their ferocious tenacity.
Waterdog is a slang term for the water technician MOS. Essentially an insult.

>>34911886
They aren't actually getting rid of the M249s, they will still be available for "situations where command deems them necessary"

What this is is an end run on the DOD refusing to let them got 100% M4A1/M16A3 (eggs no more burst cams).

Each M27 is a FA fcg they can "keep for spares" when they announce that the M27 is a failure. And an excuse to order additional FA FCGs to "Keep as spares" immediately.

>>34912108
>Essentially an insult.
Once upon a time, maybe, but they've embraced it.

>>34912140
Ooooor they just phase out their beat to shit M16A4s and M4s and replace the whole lot with the M27, which is literally just a 16 inch bbl HK416.

>>34912055
>>34912017
I'm trying to imagine what an opposed landing against modern fire arms and fire support would look like, but for some reason all I can see in my minds eye is the color red.

>>34912163
They might keep the M27s, I suppose, but I think it's more likely that they do something even more wasteful because the IAR is heavy compared to an M4, and piston AR uppers without carrier rails are stupid.

>>34912185
>heavy
It weighs 8 pounds unloaded, it's not bad at all.

>>34912193
That 30% more than a M4

>>34912201
marines can handle the extra weight

>>34912206
Ask an infantryman "would you like to save 2 lbs from your kit?"

0 will say no.

>>34911870
What's the problem with this? also

>in 2025 we'll only have M27s and just a single drone

I expected more when I was younger.. >weapons that can be changed on the fly like a modular XM8
>little machine pistols for every man
>super light weight armor that let's everyone run around super fast and be super accurate
>ammo counters on guns
>heads up display

;-;

>>34911943
>cervix makes you smarter

>>34912222
ask a grunt: do you want a 30 year old rifle that weighs 6lbs or a brand new rifle that weighs 8lbs

0 will say old

They'll bring back belt feds

Do the Marines love to waste DoD money?

>>34912285
they spend less than all other services per capita by like half

>>34912235
You would probably get all of that shit straight away if there was a real war, but for the asymmetric shit kicking that the US has been doing for the last 15 years, none of it can be justified in budgets.

>>34912108
>meme dog

Do you really think an enemy army would use cool or bad ass names for an enemy?

Really? Dont worry guiz we are only fighting the Bone eating Hellbulldozers.

STOP this shit

>>34912367
Propaganda or not it stuck. If you don't like it hop in your wayback and change it faggot.

>>34912306
Maybe because the Marines are part of another branch, they're not a service unto themselves but still think they should get the funding of one?

>>34911911
>marine corps thinking they are smarter than the entire worlds armed forces

>>34912426
>except they are

>>34912426
name another armed force that has a 406:1 k:d ratio in all wars combined, go on, ill wait

I wonder if they have such a good ratio because they swim in pussy all the time. Unlike most branches there not sexually frustrated and can focus on the job.

>>34912244
how many people have told you how stupid you are? i bet a lot

>>34912499
>oh shit my arguement got rekt better resort to ad hominem
that was a close one

>>34912244
Fun fact: Brand new M4 rifles exist.

>>34912530
no they dont

[CLOSED BOLT ONLY INTENSIFIES]

>>34912244
>saying no to a rifle that is battle hardened and proven to work properly
i dunno man

>>34912386
Thank you for your service. You are a hero.

Do you really need 3 team leaders when you have a squad leader AND an assistant squad leader?

Or are they going to be busy using the drone and the M32A1?

What poor jarhead gets to hump the M3A1?

Pleb here. What does the 416 do that a normal M4 cannot do?

>>34913129
it doesnt shit where it eats as bad and can handle sustained fire better

still not worth ditching the 249

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>>34913129
Easier to clean, more accurate than the base M4 due to the free floating barrel, can handle full auto fire better, has an adjustable gas system that can be adjusted for suppressors, and can fire almost immediately after being submerged in water

The Muhreens have been experimenting with outfitting entire rifle platoons with suppressors, so that second to last point is of great interest to them

>>34912367
It was an insult dingus

>>34912517
funny thing is i'm not even the original guy you're responding to. I just can tell by how you type you are a fucking moron

>>34914239
thats nice sweetie

>>34912426
You don't need to be intelligent to shoot a gun or push a button.

The Marines haven't gotten rid of the 249. I'm in an infantry battalion and all companies still have access to 249s, and depending on the situation, they will carry and use 249s.

>>34912235
>weapons that can be changed on the fly like a modular XM8
What are rails.
>little machine pistols for every man
What are MP7s (spoiler: shit).
>super light weight armor that let's everyone run around super fast and be super accurate
What are plate carriers with ESAPI? About 15lb.
>ammo counters on guns
Worthless.
>heads up display
Already exists in about 4 different forms.

>only 30 rounds
Wtf I love dying now

>>34911971
then buy M4A1s lke the Army and new M249s like the Army.

>>34911961
Oh not like they wrote the book on amphibious assaults or helicopter combat doctrine or anything like that. look up General Victor Krulak.

>>34914531
Army did the biggest and most amphibious assaults. Army has more and does more air assault and gunship capability.

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>>34914504

you shut your fucking mouth

>>34911870
>falling for this

/k/ really is the easiest board to troll

>>34914547
Amphibious landing were not possible without the development of the higgins boat. Which the Marine Corps enabled. and The landing on okinawa was larger than the landing on D-day champ.

>>34914276
nice retort idiot. couldn't come up with anything more clever

>>34914598
did i hurt your feelings hun?

>>34913167
the 249 is a piece of shit that jams constantly

>>34911971
> Let's sacrifice the most effective weapon a Squad has for glorified new M4s
lmfao

>>34912455
I'd imagine the US Air Force is pretty high up there.

>>34915310
fucking zoomies out REEEEEEEE

>>34912494
They have such a good ratio because instead of merely going full retard they some how find a way to go beyond it.

>>34914593
More vessels were involved in Normandy, and Normandy landings were under stiff resistance, whereas Okinawa was not under stiff resistance from the very start of the landing

>>34915449
If only there had been islands that the marines had assaulted during the Pacific campaign where they encountered stiff resistance and obstacles from which to hone and influence their amphibious doctrine for the next 60+ years.

>>34911911
>using a memeface.

I hope you get aids.

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>>34915690
too late

>>34912244
>Would you like a 6lb rifle that works fine or would you like a 8lb rifle that works fine?

>>34912285
Ask Lockheed

>>34912244
The only thing of the old m16a2 that still exists are the receivers that got converted or shoved onto the coast guard.

But even then, the M16A4 hasn't been in service for 5 years now dumbass.

There's also Marines that want M1911s back, but lo and behold, when Colt fired up the machinery and tried producing them en mass, they came to be twice as much as the M9s in use, and critically failed at the average of the 5k mark, some only going 2k.

What the Infantry fucks want does not mean what is best. There's a reason why highly experienced degree holders call all the shots and not high school drop out Hicks, that still don't get you don't use your sidearm as a hammer.

>>34911971
So...buy more M249's, then?

I still don't know why we're faffing around with this modular handgun bullshit when we could just buy more M9's. And I'm not being sarcastic - don't fix what ain't broke, just keep it all running smoothly.

>>34915714
>would you like a 6lb 30 year old rifle that """""""WORKS FINE ON MY END""""""" or would you like a 8lb rifle that works good

>>34917591
So then explain to us why special forces around the world have taken a liking to the HK416 and why their opinion shouldn't be considered when deciding what to give to the dumber grunts.

>>34917913
What few countries that matter that actually use the POS 416, do so because it's a piston AR which works slightly better with cans, because of various design features that aren't seen typically in your stock AR things like a far lower ROF, they take less fanagling with 10.5 and 12 inch barrels, and because HK is BASED in fucking EUROPE and the only other company there that makes anything remotely close to an AR15 is FNH, who currently has manufacturing deals with the US that most likely prohibit them from diverting their already limited manufacturing to non US interests.

Fucking thank God summer is almost over because this SOF dick sucking is beyond fucking old. Not like SOCOM hasn't made dumbass fucking decisions before considering they too were pushing for the revival of the fucking M1911 before that died faster than how quickly they shut up over their UHRUH MUH EBINLEVEN circle jerk when the fucking results came in and already bought 4500, 1,500$ pot metal 1911s

Don't know about the M249 being chucked, but the LSAT is basically finished. They long since finished when they were testing 6.5 caseless to see if it was worth the extra .20 cents a round and abysmal barrel lives. So chances are were going to see that adopted before there's a new LMG adopted.

In the end, this is just pointless MUHREEN spending as usual.

And so the salty, tired SGT said to the debbil dog: "When everyone is an automatic rifleman, then no one is an automatic rifleman "

>>34911870
>Only one AT weapon per squad

Does militaries still do this?

>Squadlevel quadcopter
Noice

>>34917646
In the case of the P320 v. the M9 it doesn't really matter. IMO the P320 is much better because it weighs less and it's a sidearm which doesn't see much use anyway. As long as it works well enough who cares. As far as stuff like the M249 it seems that they don't replace them because... they didn't replace them soon enough and now everyone fuckin hates them because they had to deal with a worn out shitty one and now everyone wants something new.

>>34918194
>who cares if your gun can legitimately "accidentally" "go off" and kill you

>>34912235
>lightweight
>counters on guns
>heads up displays
>only one drone

What are batteries?

Thank me for my service.

why the fuck are muhreen squads so big. 14? Seriously? Also

>M320 instead of XM25
>still using 5.56 and not a 6.xmm, or some kind of telescoping sabot in 2025

the 2000's called

>>34918355
err.. M32A1 not M320. No idea why they would prefer that huge revolver instead of a fucking airburst weapon.

>>34911911
The crayon meme has been around longer than the internet for a reason.

>>34913169
>The Muhreens have been experimenting with outfitting entire rifle platoons with suppressors

They aren't changing to subsonic ammo though, right?

In Norway we run one FN Minimi gunner on each squad, the rest are equipped with HK-416 (M27) as primary. What gives? Are we just behind the USMC?

>>34912659
Team leaders are an essential link between squad members and squad leadership. Most often, in combat operations, the squad is split into three pieces by movement, vehicular action, enveloping, etc. It's psychologically important for one of you to be in direct charge of the other three guys. It allows for extreme accountability and initiative based tactics.


I think m27 might be a good move, although i'd HATE to lose my saw gunner under all circumstances. But the saw gunner would finally be able to keep up and stop fucking taking all day fucking boot saw gunner pieces of shit

>>34917591
Navy stilluses the a2 actually

>>34918312
>>34918194
The M17 is dropsafe, sorry glockfag.

>>34917904
>brand new M4A1's are older than brand new M27's

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>>34911911
Sad thing is, they most likely are.

>>34912108
They never did that it's a made up thing by Americans to stroke their ego.

>>34912140
M27 trigger groups aren't 100% identical to regular M4A1/M16A3 ones. They have a different hammer for one.

The issue with the M27 IAR is that it's really not even good at being an IAR because the USMC, AFAIK, doesn't issue them with magazines with the capacity of greater than 30 rounds.

The Russians with their 40 round RPKs had issues in Manuver which is why the issued the 75 round drum as the "initial" for the encounter, and the 40 round mags after; they later went to 45 round magazines in the RPK-74, and STILL attempted to develop better drums, eventually opting for the 50 round caskets.

If the USMC starts issuing like 45 or 50 or 60 round mags or something then yeah they're perfectly capable of being automatic riflemen, but without the higher capacity it's just putting more work on the Platoons M240 to be the suppression element.

>>34919086
No, that would seriously reduce their effective range
The point of giving out suppressors like candy is not to be sneeki breeki ninjas, but so that they can communicate more effectively once the whole unit starts shooting and to reduce hearing damage.

>>34921100
How much of a difference does a suppressor make w/o subsonic ammo? Is it still a really noticeable decrease in sound?

>>34918098
>HK is BASED in fucking EUROPE and the only other company there that makes anything remotely close to an AR15 is FNH, who currently has manufacturing deals with the US that most likely prohibit them from diverting their already limited manufacturing to non US interests.
I hate to break this to you, but I could name about half a dozen companies making AR15 rifles (piston or not) in germany alone.

>>34921415
It's still loud but a huge decrease in noise levels compared to unsuppressed gunshots

It can still be heard within a 300m radius, but that's better than being heard for miles

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>>34911911
>being this boot

YOU WILL LEARN

>>34920940
The USMC is going to use those Magpul drums along with gen3 pmags.

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>>34921957
They tested it, but found that there's not really a good way to carry them

Magpul makes pouches for them, but they're too bulky

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>>34912244
>believing this

>>34915630
If only the Army didn't have an element also island hopping that entire time, the size of 27 Infantry Divisions... Oh fucking wait

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BRING BACK THE M60 NOW!

>>34921987
>I WANT MORE BIG AMMO BOX
>No son, it's alright when its on your gun but its too big to put on your hip
>BUT OLD 249 BOX IS EVEN BIGGER
>Hey I don't make the rules

>>34911870
Do they really need three Grindr guys per squad?

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>>34922422
Yeah...

>>34920940
Speaking of casket mags, did Surefire ever unfuck theirs?

>>34922447
Is that Fruity Rudy?

>>34922417
the 249 box at least holds 100-200 rounds
the D60 pouch takes up a lot of space for something that hold the same amount as 2 regular magazines

>>34918363
The manufacturer failed to deliver a LRIP order on time and budget.

Airburst is still possible with 40mm, just not the 1km range. For that, though, there are things like Pike.

>>34911870
I predict that they finish issuing these right about the time when the Army finishes development of the CTSAS carbine.

>>34911870

Squads still have the M240 though right?

>>34911943
> lol I served, the post
As a marine tho....

>>34911996
> all I have in this world is my dd214, tinnitus and a drinking problem

>>34927630
whats that dear?

>>34921443
Just because they CAN make them for the civilian market doesn't mean they have the means for military market.

Any two bit company can pump out an AR. The files are so prevalent I can pull off everything for one off of 80% of all CAD websites.

But can they pump out 100 a day? Do they have the staff to work the CNC machinery that runs in the hundreds of thousands? Do they have the permission? Do they have the logistics? Do they have the engineers?

Fucking Daniel Defense makes fantastic ARs, but that doesn't mean they've ever even bothered trying to throw their hat into the ring. Same goes for 90% of gun manufacturers. Just because they can make guns for the civilian market doesn't mean they've got the ability to make em for the military. Most don't. Same goes for Germany, a massively staunch anti gun country that's military almost entirely relies on one company for it's small arms and ammunition.

Theres o ly a handful of companies that could make something like the AR in Europe. HK, FNH, Izhmash, Zastava, maybe Beretta, and Steyer or CZ.

Three are Slavic and are not in good terms with the EU, so they're out, FNH likely has deals with the US and already struggle with orders, Beretta doesn't focus on rifles much anymore, and God knows what's going on with Steyer, leaving HK who will make what the German Government lets them, for who they allow.

>>34928026
Well if nothing else, SIG is offering the MCX for the german army contract (and they had the M400 though that was never a very good AR), so they probably do have the manufacturing capacity.

Also, the original argument was about special forces, who not only use very few weapons altogether, but actually already used german ARs - one Haenel Piston AR (dunno what it's called) and some Schmeisser DI for trials. If they wanted DI ARs, they would have no problem getting them in sufficient numbers somewhere.

>>34911870
I don't see anything wrong in trading sustainability of fire for improved logistics and flexibility.

What I see problem with is that while they are reducing overall squad weight by dozen or so pounds and increase weight of individual riflemen by 2. Seems to me they've taken their memes too literally.

Making riflemen even slower doesn't seem like a good idea.

How to fix the IAR

>Fire from open bolt in automatic, closed bolt in semi
>Adopt 45 round magazines

There, now it's good.

>>34912055
>don't practice opposed landings anymore
what are the Foal Eagle Exercises for 100

>>34911911
What do you call a marine with an IQ of 150? A platoon

>>34912244
>>34912549
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M4_carbine#Manufacturers

The 30 year old rifle works and is manufactured frequently. Stop talking out of your ass.

>>34911870
>trusting grunts with automatic weapons
>trusting MARINE grunts with anything
Bad move

>>34930547
And when the soldier needs to swap from semi to full auto, they have to
>flip the switch
>pull the bolt to the rear
>eject a round

>>34925425
Yeah but they're not using a 249. If the IAR is to work as an IAR then it NEEDS a drum or casket mag whether they like it or not.

If your objective is sustained fire then why complain about a drum being slightly bigger than two regular box mags? Because they think they need to be absolutely on top of every single thing, which leads to conflicts in priorities and shit all getting done.

>>34930627
I don't recall all the details of the original IAR program, but I'm pretty sure all of them that had that feature would fire the first shot in closed bolt and seamlessly transition to open bolt operation.

>>34912108
>Devil dog is what the Germans called them in WWI for their ferocious tenacity.
No they did not, the translation the americans claimed to have heard makes no sense in german.

>>34930593
>Opposed
They are not landing in front of entrenched machine nests. All ship to shore movement if conducted after all the action by air assets an

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>>34919086
>>34921100
>>34921415
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/367/actions

I want to believe

>>34930547
>>34930683

Apparently it was dropped after the first iteration or two, which is a shame because it sure sounded like a neat fucking idea.

>>34913169
keep in mind, all those pros can also be done by commercial parts for existing M4s. The only thing is can't do is be easier to clean, but that doesn't matter because a M4 barely needs to be cleaned as long as it's well lubed.

>>34930547
Here's how to actually fix the IAR

>change it back to internal piston
>buy a ton of MK48s

ez

>>34930864
I'm sorry, I meant MK46 mod 0's

>>34922447
It's not gay if it happens in boots

>>34930864
IARs are better on the fireteam level for increased maneuverability and accurate fire (when required).
The Marine SAW gunners in Afghanistan liked them despite being skeptical towards it at first.

>>34911870
which poor faggot is carrying the goose tho

>>34912659
Did you watch GenKill?

>>34911870
Why don't all grunts get a M320? Cost?

>>34912244
Goddamn, you're dumb.

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>>34912367
>>34920893
>>34930729

>tfw plebs mad we perfected memetic warfare
>tfw we got a whole country to know us by Devil Dogs

I wonder by what ridiculous bullshit the coming generation will believe about us

>>34911979
Thank you for your service.

>>34936818
no, thank you

>>34936799
>I wonder by what ridiculous bullshit the coming generation will believe about us
Mostly just 100% accurate facts about what glue-guzzling fags you all are.

>>34936633
weight
also drop compensating becomes inconvenient as fuck

>>34919086
retard

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>>34911870

Has the Marine Corps managed to stick landing pads on the top of their AAV's yet so their Harriers (North Carolina Lawn Darts) can land on top of them during an assault? (This was the actual concept the Marines wanted when they fucked up the Joint Strike Fighter).

>Still listening to the Marine Corps Generals """strategic advice""" in 2025.

Fucking brilliant.

>>34911870

Almost forgot...No Marine has ever honored their oath to protect us from DOMESTIC threats, so honestly fuck your service, you dishonorable cowards.

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>>34937664
>No Marine has ever honored their oath to protect us from DOMESTIC threats
Fact Check: TRUE
Dorner and McVeigh were Navy and Army, respectively.

>>34937757

Thanks. I knew I was right.

Shit wait, was Anders Breivik perhaps in the military?

>>34937664
>>34937757
>>34937778
False, Lee Harvey Oswald.

>>34937757
>based Dorner still hasn't been caught
Anyone else here remember the cops on the livestream over radio saying "burn that fucker out" and the official response was "lol fire was an accident woops"

>>34937801
>inflicting President LBJ and his Great Society programs and inept handling of Vietnam on us
>protecting us from domestic enemies
choose one

>>34911994

But RPG and AKM spam has done wonders for those unarmored farm boys. Why not load our boys out with a bunch of launchers?

>>34934429
>be told that Uncle Stoner designed the best rifle known to man
>also be told that Uncle Sam knows what he's doing when he issues you a pencil thin barrel
>be told that you should be skeptical of new guns claiming to be better than your current shit

>get actually competently built assault rifle
>be amazed

>>34930848
>a M4 doesn't to be cleaned as long as it's well lubed.
ftfy
The dirty parts will reach the end of their service lives and need replacement with clean ones before the accumulated filth impairs the gun's function.

>>34911911
uh raw
My favorite crayon flavor is glue, what is yours devil dog?

>>34917646

Wasn't the LSAT supposed to be the answer to this?

>>34937812
The worst part about that was when they tried to jew the three innocent people they nearly killed because they were driving pickups, and didn't fire any officers.

>the newspaper ladies threw the newspaper, which sounded like a gunshot.

I will never live in LA because I refuse to pay taxes for the LAPD

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So the Marines are really using civilian quadcopters as recon drones? That's pretty awesome

>>34943565
>So the Marines are really using civilian quadcopters as recon drones? That's pretty awesome
its an extremely shitty idea considering how many of them are made in china and probably send back location data, video/audio, etc

just like the marines to come up with something that sounds good in a fucking John Ringo book but falls flat or even backfires in execution due to technical matters marines can't comprehend

>>34938210
HK416 IS a Stoner design. This should have been done in the 80's.

>>34912235


>playing this much HALO

kys

>>34943621
Well when you put it like that I guess it's not, I like the concept tho

>>34943565
>>34943621
No, a class one VTOL. Image was clearly a placeholder.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Hornet_Nano

This is what they use