Wreck of the USS Indianapolis Found!

Wow, neat. Can't wait to see more images as they're released.

>>34911627
Brutal. Hope they look for the Midway carriers next.

If only Quint was here to see this.

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Paul Allen has found and done so much awesome things with his yacht boats and ROVs. Recovered the Hood's bell to bring to a museum, discovered the Musashi, and now found the Indianapolis.
Only person I know of with more shipwreck achievements are Robert Ballard who has found the subs Thresher and Scorpion, found the Titanic, the Bismarck, PT-109, and the Yorktown.
The images from wrecks are always so chilling. Wonder what the overall state of her is, you can't tell from pictures that only show a little portion.

I was just reading about this a couple days ago and wondering when they'd find it. Neat.

>>34913153
Ballard also went above and beyond in sharing the pictures and state of the wrecks, along with discovering several different species.

I like Allen, but I really wish he did half of what Ballard did with sonar scans, photography, wreck penetration, video capture and wreck painting.

I mean, I'd love to penetrate Musashi, or at least watch someone else do it

>>34913153
Agreed, the bottom of the ocean is a strange place. The thought of them just lying down there in complete darkness and silence, like at the bottom of a bath tub in a dark bathroom but unimaginably bigger in scale. It's almost more majestic than the thought of them intact.

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>>34913153
>Paul Allen

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>>34913153
My mistake, Ballard only photographed and mapped the Thresher and Scorpion. The Navy found them with their own searches.

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>>34913210
hq version

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>>34913221

>>34913221
It's beautiful in a way.

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>>34913229

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>>34913187
>I'd love to penetrate Musashi, or at least watch someone else do it

t-that's lewd anon

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>>34913239

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>>34913153

>>34913260
PLEASE CREDIT ALL IMAGES TO COURTESY OF PAUL G. ALLEN

Indy 1
An image shot from a remotely operated vehicle shows the bottom of an anchor clearly marked "U.S. Navy" and "Norfolk Navy Yard." The anchor is consistent with the one visible in this photo dated July 12, 1945 just weeks before the ship was lost.

Photo courtesy of Paul G. Allen

Indy 2
An image shot from a remotely operated underwater vehicle shows a spare parts box from USS Indianapolis on the floor of the Pacific Ocean in more than 16,000 feet of water.

Photo courtesy of Paul G. Allen

Indy 3
An image shot from a remotely operated vehicle shows what appears to be the painted hull number "35." Based on the curvature of the hull section, this seems to be the port side of the ship. Using this photo as a reference (https://www.history.navy.mil/our-collections/photography/numerical-list-ofimages/nara-series/19-n/19-N-80000/19-N-86913.html), the number is painted in the same font, and
the "3" aligns with the circular feature above it in both photos.

Photo courtesy of Paul G. Allen

Indy 4
An image shot from a remotely operated vehicle shows wreckage which appears to be one of the two anchor windlass mechanisms from the forecastle of the ship. Note the star-emblazoned capstans in this photo dated July 12, 1945 just weeks before the ship was lost.

Photo courtesy of Paul G. Allen

>>34912823
>somewhere in the crushing blackness of the abyss is a battlefield
>great steel warships, some crumpled on their side or torn in two
>others rest with their keels buried deep in the primordial mud, as if steaming across the sunless, lifeless desert
>their guns, barrels rusted and quiet, still point skyward, searching for the once deadly aluminum predators that now litter the vast expanses between each wreck
>for 75 years they've kept their vigil, but the din of battle is long past
>gone is the thunder of the 5 inch mounts, the clatter of autocannons and rattle of machine guns
>gone is the roar of fighters from the rotting wooden flight decks, the shriek of bombs plummeting from above
>gone are the world-shaking explosions, as magazines are rent open and men and machines are blown heavenward
>here there is only an infinite silence, pierced now and again by a full groan of metal as the old warriors settle into their graves, inch by inch, decade by decade

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>>34913187
I respect Ballard and all he's done. The one thing I disagreed with him on was when he originally tried to claim exclusive rights to salvaging stuff from Titanic, but he reversed his position and said no one should be able to salvage stuff from her. At first it was because he was angry others were getting rights and eventually it was because he realized the wreck should be preserved and people were breaking stuff on her trying to recover objects. Supposedly, someone destroyed the crow's nest tying to get the bell.
Seeing more images of Musashi would be incredible. I've only seen a few from the initial discovery, likewise only a few from Yamato.

>>34913208
It's an eerie thought. These ships take years to build and are the pride of their designers and builders, they sink, and all that work put into them is preserved. Had they gone to the breakers after their careers then they would just be scrapped, but if they sink then at least a part of them remains practically forever. It's also very sobering to see clear signs of the activities the crews were taking on the ship when they sank.

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>>34913283
>>34913208
"One is at the bottom of the sea, and this one is a cinder in a burned airplane. And I am glad. That's the way for warriors to die: young and with faith. I have lived too long."

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>>34913153
>>34913187
Ballard also did a lot of work surveying the ships lost off Guadalcanal. The book and NatGeo documentary that he released about those surveys are some of my favorite marine archaeology media.

>>34913872
Amazing how pristine some wrecks and can look and how bent of out shape others can. I had to look up the USS Quincy to determine what kind of ship she was.

It'd be incredibly expensive, but I wonder if any of the survivors can choose to have their ashes interred like with the Arizona.

>>34914134
Given that most of the crew died on the seas rather than in the ship, why not just put a sinker on the urn and drop it somewhere nearby?

>>34914134
Interred would probably be too much. But some may choose to have their ashes scattered over the site.

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>>34913153
he also found the Musashi.

it is amazing the musashi went missing for so long. since everyone knows where about she sank. they even did P-3 Orion scans to find her.

>>34913274
Damn...

>>34912823
They already found Yorktown and Kaga. I hope they find the others.

>>34913283
>dat Yamato wreck
Kinda put a damper to the whole Space Battleship Yamato fantasy.

>>34912824
Kek! The chioldren have no idea who that is.

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>>34914597
I hope there's more images from Musashi eventually. Far as I know they've only been to the wreck once for a few days.

>>34914659
Yeah. But everyone knew of the huge explosion when she went down, so it shouldn't have been two much of a surprise that the wreck was not intact.

>>34914673
It's one of the most influential movies of the 20th century, I'm sure plenty of millennials have seen it.

>>34911627
Holy shit my great uncle was killed on it.
RIP to all the men who had the horrors of not being killed instantly on it.

>>34914822
we'd like to think that, but...they're millennials. if its not on bookface instachat snapgram it didnt happen.

>>34913153
who's the guy that found the Nuestra Señora de Atocha?

>>34914852
Millennials count people in their 20's, I'm 25 and I saw Jaws when I was like, 11.

>>34914869
Just looking at Wikipedia since I'm not familiar with that ship.
>American treasure hunters Mel Fisher, Finley Ricard and a team of sub-contractors, funded by investors and others in a joint venture, searched the sea bed for the Atocha for sixteen and a half years.
>The Atocha wreck and its mother lode of silver, gold and emeralds, was finally discovered in July 1985. It was Mel's son, Kane, who radioed the news to Treasure Salvors headquarters on the Florida coast

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>>34912823
Someone needs to go find the bravest ship of the war: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Samuel_B._Roberts_(DE-413)

>>34913221
Betta get dat bell!

>>34915373
You're not going to find it. The entire ship and her crew are in Valhalla.

>>34913872
>>34913925
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Quincy_(CA-39)

>>34913283
>>34914659
>>34914681
Jesus
Did the Japs store all the ammo and fuel in one room?

>>34915611

I wonder how ironbottom sound looks like underwater.

>>34915632
>the yamato had fuel

just like with the Hood and the Arizona. the magazines had all their hatches open. so the booms just spread.

Now they need to find the Andrea Gail

>>34915632
Timeline:
>hit by 500lb bomb
>hit by torp
hour and a half later
>hit by 2 more bombs
3 min later
>hit by 3 torps
a little later
>hit by 4 torps
2 hours later
>hit by 4 1000lb bombs
>hit by 3 torps
shortly fafter
>hit by 13 bombs
>hit by 11 torps
then capsized
Not too bad, desu

>>34915632
>>34915746
Sorry that was the Musashi. The Yamoto took 12 bombs and 7 torps. Mag exploded from capsizing and probably all of the shells falling around.

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>>34915632
Her magazines went off. They were ordering the rooms to be flooded when fires were spreading but they lost the ship and she capsized and went boom.

>>34915746
>>34915764
Musashi took more to sink because she was hit all over port and starboard. When attacking Yamato, the Americans tried to confine their hits to one side of the ship so it would create a list. At first the Japanese handled this by counterflooding, but as the battle went on they started making U-turns so the torpedoes would hit on the other side to balance out the flooding on the other side.

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>>34911627
>5.5Km deep
The ship is lucky to avoid the fate of being blown up with charges for scrap metal.

>>34913201

This picture is amazing to me. My great grandpa worked at Norfolk shipyard. He's long gone though and I don't know what ships he built or what particular parts he worked on. But to think he may have been a part of putting that anchor together (as remote as it is) is pretty incredible and moving. Amazing job whoever finds these ships sitting in the vast expanse of our oceans, really incredible. People have no idea what a feat that actually is.

>>34915832
>wrekt

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>>34915832

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>>34913153
his business card is top notch too

>>34915873
Hey its not our fault, blame the Chinese parent company using boat registered in Cambodia crewed by illiterate peasants from Indochina using by a shell company in Malaysia and flying the Malaysian flag.
>Send ship back to China after their govt said it will handle the case
>The same ship comes back later with a new registration and different peasant crews
I wonder if the PLAN is backing this on purpose to melt IJN wreck into their new warships.
Prince of Wales and Repulse especially had the navy hauling back boats from the neighborhood and dismantling bombs all the time.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/malaysia/11556924/Wreck-of-HMS-Repulse-rigged-with-scrap-metal-merchants-explosives.html

>>34915832
>>34915998
Reading about this stuff makes me sad. Goddam vultures. Some wrecks have disappeared entirely because they were taken by scrappers bit by bit.

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IJN Shinano wreck when?

>TFW you will not be on team to find the last Yamato Class hull that was sunk and is still unaccounted for

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>>34915994

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>>34915994
>underrated

>>34916145
If the 50 Ohkas she was carrying detonated at any point then she's probably not in too good of a shape...wherever she is.

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>>34916219
From What I remember about the Shinano is that she was on sea trials and they didn't yet install the water tight doors so when the USS Archerfish torpedoed it she quickly flooded and sank.

so possibly when she went down they didn't go off, but usually the boilers blow up though, but unlike the Yamato or Mushasi she didn't have magazines or was bombed to oblivion. And unlike a battleship which is top heavy and roll over, the carrier IMO probably slipped under the waves like the Oriskany wreck that was sunk as a reef... so with that she maybe had the best chance of being in better shape then the other two.

>>34913245
You gotta be honest Anon. How else can you build trust?

>>34913283
Ballard, so far has I've known him, has always been rabid about not fucking with wrecks. I don't think he ever wanted to "salvage" stuff, just protect it. He even threw back a chain that got hooked to his Alvin rov.

And yeah, some cunt from white star Inc fucked with the Crow's nest.

>>34913872
I know, I have it. His artist also did a lot of work on great lakes shipwrecks and they both extensively covered the Lusitania and Britanic.

>>34913213
I'm pretty sure Ballard found it. He was recruited by the Navy to do so.

>>34913263
I hate those fucking pictures.

>>34914597
Nobody gave a shit about sushi until kancolle, and I'm not even joking. Same with shinano, even though it's just fanart and speculation. Sauce on the orion scans?

>>34916219
Holy shit imagine Unryuu. She had like 400

>>34916145

this wrecks location is known,but is too deep and is wedged in an underwater canyon, too risky to dive, its completely shredded as well.

>>34915474
It'd be a right shame if they were anywhere else

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>>34916346
Pics, News, material pls

>>34913213
Ballard funded his tech he used for the Titanic with Navy money, under the agreement that it first be used to find Scorpion and one of the lost thermonuclear bombs from a B-52 crash.
With Navy assistance (particularly regarding Bayesian search methods), he did, and went on to find Titanic.

>>34913283
>but if they sink then at least a part of them remains practically forever.
Unless they're in the Pacific and you internationally declare their locations as war graves, in which case they disappear in a few years.

>>34915832
why?

there is no way the salvage on such steel was worth it. this only had to be done out of spite.

>>34916427
Low-background steel can apparently be useful, but yes this was mostly a "fuk yu" act.

>>34916427
Steel before the atomic age has low background radiation and useful for making sensitive stuff like detectors/sensors/etc.

>>34916530
This is true which was why many people have been cutting up and salvaging the wrecks at jutland and gallipoli for the pre atomic steel

>>34916309
I must have misremembered something since I thought Ballard originally wanted to salvage things. Looking it up, and I haven't found anything of him ever being for anything other than preservation. to the point he wanted to try to keep the position a secret. Only negative things I've heard about him are that he's kind of a cold person, but I've never met him so I can't say anything about that. Even if it is true, that doesn't harm any of the ships so it doesn't matter.

One thing I've also come across is that perhaps the Royal Navy found Titanic in 1977.
>In 1977 the British were conducting top-secret tests of new deep-sea underwater sonar equipment, which was to be used in locating and detecting Russian nuclear submarines
>During one of these top secret tests in 1977, of the new deep underwater sonar two very large metallic objects were located in the "general" vicinity and "depth" were Dr. Ballard located the wreck in 1985
>this information is subject to be declassified around the year 2027.
http://www.paullee.com/titanic/titanicfound.html

>>34916704
>>34916530
>>34916490
>pre atomic steel
wat. Where can I learn more about this?

>>34916874
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-background_steel
You need them for stuff like geiger counter

>>34916884
So once the High Seas Fleet was mostly gone they started ripping up all the shallow depth SE Asia wrecks.

>>34916422
>Unless they're in the Pacific and you internationally declare their locations as war graves, in which case they disappear in a few years.

Add shallow depth to list. Deep water salvage is still expensive as fuck.

>>34916427
>why?
>there is no way the salvage on such steel was worth it. this only had to be done out of spite.

Greed, easily accessible wreck at shallow depth. Asians have no souls or respect for the dead. Also in rare cases shallow depth wrecks can be navigational hazards, some WWI/WWII wrecks have been salvaged due to modern ships becoming bigger if those are close to entry to deep water ports.

>>34916530
>Steel before the atomic age has low background radiation and useful for making sensitive stuff like detectors/sensors/etc.

Low background steel is becoming less of an issue as atmospheric contamination is dropping thanks to Treaty Banning Nuclear Weapon Tests in the Atmosphere, in Outer Space and Under Water.

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>>34916704
The sunda plate is also shallow and goes only up to 200m making recovery easy.
>>34916950
The german ones are probably EU approved work, a chinese barge crewed by illiterate peasants is not gonna sail all the way to Yurop. Even after being captured there is not much info that we got from them since the peasants were shown contracts in english and they just assumed its legit work before signing up without knowing anything about their employers.
As far as I know so far 2 australian ship, a Dutch tanker and sub, a Bong heavy cruiser and few IJN ships including Haguro was already wiped clean. Force Z is lucky there is a navy training base at the shore and they regularly stop attempts.

>>34915746
>>34915764
Just say "torpedo" you autist

>>34916995
>Add shallow depth to list. Deep water salvage is still expensive as fuck.
100% true, I accept the addendum.

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>>34916427
Steel after the atomic tests have trace radioactive elements in them. It's not a big deal for day to day activities but for medical machines that measure readings from radioactive dyes and IV's pumped in someone they fuck up the readings.

Also, Geiger counters need metal casings and parts free from background radiation to be top quality when it comes to sniffing out hot spots in the zone

>>34911627
>Let this bring some closure to the 19 remaining survivors of the sinking.
How many are actually alive? I can see them being excited to see it, but I have my doubts about closure.
I don't see how it'd bring any special closure, they're already well aware that it's rotting at the bottom of the ocean without visual proof from 2017.

>>34917203
Closure in the same way that a previously unidentified victim from some tragedy getting a name matched to it gives.
It doesn't change anything or bring them back, but it puts the mind at rest. No more question of "what happened to them?" Maybe one or two will request that their ashes be put over the wreck site.

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I'm an anon who k ows very little about planes, tanks, ships, or really anything not small arms related. How true is this graph? I figured yall might be able to tell me.

>>34917633
It's by xkcd. You can trust the science to be accurate.

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>>34913283
>It's an eerie thought. These ships take years to build and are the pride of their designers and builders, they sink, and all that work put into them is preserved. Had they gone to the breakers after their careers then they would just be scrapped, but if they sink then at least a part of them remains practically forever.

Except those ships will not last forever. Civilian wrecks like RMS Titanic last only bit over century as recognizable, steel is literally eaten by bacteria. Once structures became weakened, whole thing will collapse. First it becomes pile debris that then will turn into a rust stain on seabed. Same thing will happen to battleships, just due to thick armor it will take bit longer, maybe something like 500 years. At some point rest of the wreck becomes too weak to support armoured deck and/or belts and it will collapse.

>>34917660

Well, I didn't see their watermark but I recognize the irritating font. Alas.

Question

Why did it take over 70 years to find the wreck or shipwrecks in general? Wouldn't they radio their position when under attack? This would give a close area estimation of where to look in a huge, deep sea?

>>34913872
>what happened to it?
>well the front came of

>>34918088
That's not usual

>>34914852
Plenty of Millennials are in their 30s now. We've seen Jaws.

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>>34918083
Ships that sunk with a huge momentum while wrecking their engines and moving erratically to dodge airstrikes doesn't drop straight to the bottom like a rock and the ones that are hard to find are those 1Km like Musashi and further below. Few would bring a sub rescue vessel or ships the displacement of destroyers with cables long enough with a minisub or bluefin-21 that cost a tomahawk missile every dive.

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>>34918083

Instant accurate location wasn't as easy in past as it is now, pic related, that was relative accuracy of dead recognition navigation back in the day. Sinking also usually takes time so ship can float a bit away from last recorded position before it actually goes down and dynamics of sinking aren't that it simply goes straight down.

Then we can get to the point that technology needed to operating in deep ocean relative ease simply didn't exist until relatively recently, stuff like side scanning towed sonars, remotely operated vehicles and deep sea submersibles. Civilians got access to that stuff in late 70's and early 80's. Military and intelligence community probably bit earlier. Searching for a ship is expensive as doing that shit requires ship, crew and lots of expensive equipment. There aren't much people capable to fund such expeditions. Finding Titanic is when lot that tech matured, it was basically funded US Navy. Royal Navy may have visited Titanic few years earlier, truth might be de-classified in 2027. Navies know almost all big chunks of metal at ocean floor, they don't care about that stuff outside of knowing something is there, identifying those objects is irrelevant for them and keeping those maps secret is in their interests.

>>34916884
I had no idea this was a thing, thats pretty fucking nuts.
science man, what a trip.

>>34916344
>400
where did you get that number? the only ones i can find mentions "around 30"

>>34918284
That was very interesting about the titanic. Thanks for giving me something to read about

>>34916261
They launched her not completely fitted out. The piping and wiring trunks thru the water tight bulkheads were not sealed so even with water tight doors closed the water permeated thru every wire and pipe run. A survivor told the story of a DC team trapped below decks that were in communication with the bridge till they drowned. Doors closed but water coming thru dozens of small leaks. Many water tight doors were installed, enough to trap sailors below decks.

Keep writing, gone on

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>>34916427
A component of high performance radiological instruments was often Pre WWII gun barrels. The steel made before nuclear weapon use has a lower back ground count and was used to shield the detection hardware.

>>34916427
http://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2014/05/22/wrecks-fished-for-scrap-metal-thieves-plunder-fishing-grounds-for-rusty-ship-parts/

>>34919182
Malingshit

>>34913201
thats some really good paint

>>34911627
Wow. It's almost like the 600 guys were eaten by sharks, and 300 survived. Maybe we look under the ocean where we found the survivors?

Who woulda think it.

>>34915832
>most of the allied wrecks of the Battle of the Java Sea were illegally salvaged by Indonesians

>>34919257
Survivors drifted with a current..on a ocean you know..

It's not like a car accident at your corner 7-11

Are you 12?

>>34919277
You could predict where they floated dickhead. Waves are pretty constant.

Are you 11?

>>34919277
>>34919309
quit fighting, what are you guys, 10?

>>34919321
>9 year old detected

You gotta be 12 to post here kid.

>>34919309
>waves are pretty constant
On the off chance you're not trolling, waves change quite a bit. That combined with wind pushing rafts and/or floating men, currents in the ocean, and shifting wave patterns all combine with the fact that the Pacific Ocean is quite large, causing unpredictable drift as the vessel sank. It'd be extremely difficult to make an accurate estimated guess as to where it came to rest.

>>34919257
Actually I think most of them drowned, few of them were in a Quint scenario.

>>34919321
wtf are you 8?

>>34918932
All of that in effect, there was still not an explosion after it sank, and apparently from the wiki, the boilers were off for a while before it sank, so no boiler explosion occurred.

>>34915373

....
They were fucking men back then

>>34919469
That's kinda gay

>>34915373

>Carr was found dying at his station from a severe intestinal wound, begging for help to load the last round he was holding into the breech.

>ships getting destroyed
>literally your guts are hanging out
>one 5 inch round left
>"Help me load this! Fuck those nips!"

>>34919277
>>34919309
>>34919321
>>34919332
>>34919364
>5 off topic posts

boy, sure is 7 yr olds in here

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>>34915373
>>34915474
>>34916353
>The tiny destroyer escort charges headlong toward IJN Chokai, a heavy cruiser
>Lieutenant Commander Copeland announces his intentions
>"We're making a torpedo run. The outcome is doubtful, but we will do our duty."
>The Roberts comes within 2.5 nautical miles of the Japanese cruiser, so close that her guns can't depress low enough to hit the smaller American ship
>The Roberts' torpedo attack blows the stern off of the Chokai, and the two ships duel at point blank range for another hour
>over six hundred 5 inch shells pummel the Japanese cruiser, while the Roberts' 20mm and 40mm AA mounts pour lead into her superstructure
>as the Japanese gunners find their marks, the Samuel B. Roberts is hit again and again
>first her aft 5 inch mount is damaged, later exploding
>then, the battleship Kongo hits home, slamming three 14 inch shells into the thin-skinned destroyer escort
>Lieutenant Commander Copeland gives the order to abandon ship as the Roberts goes down, taking with her 90 sailors

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>>34919728
Yeah but Wikipedia makes it sound so boring and I didn't have my copy of pic related handy. For anyone interested it's a damn good read, like most of Hornfischer's stuff

>>34919649
>then, the battleship Kongo hits home, slamming three 14 inch shells into the thin-skinned destroyer escort
New information says that it was the Yamato that mullered the Roberts.

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At least you still got a shipwreck to look at.

>>34920037
I've heard that as well, in which case it's astounding the ship stayed afloat as long as it did afterward.

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>>34916797
Always a possibility. Perhaps they tipped Ballard off?

>>34918443
I think it was from combined fleet. I may be remembering wrong.

>>34916346
>Wedged in a canyon
Proofs

>>34919577
That's the navy way, son. Sodomy and the whip have always been two constants, and after the whip was abolished, it left one deep-rooted tradition for sailors to uphold.

>>34914631
They found about 15% of kaga.

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>>34918088
>>34918124
Quincy was hit by at least three torpedoes before sinking, which likely weakened her hull enough to cause her bow to detach completely as she sank.

Fun fact: Paul Allen also found the wrecks of Quincy's sister ships, Astoria and Vincennes, which were also lost during the Battle of Savo Island. I'd wondered about them for years, but hadn't realized they'd been found until yesterday.

https://www.oceannews.com/featured-stories/may-feature-story>>34918088

>>34915373
I'll add to that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Glowworm_(H92)

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>>34915474
>>34916353
>>34919578
>>34919649
It's not even just the Roberts, either. USS Johnston, Hoel, St. Lo and Gambier Bay are still out there too.

The whole Action off Samar makes me feel like a little puss. All of Taffy 3 had such huge clanking spun brass balls. The escort carriers White Plains and Ommaney Bay (from Taffy 2) even double-teamed a fucking heavy cruiser, the Chikuma. White Plains set off her Long Lances with her piddly little stern 5", and then Wildcats from Ommaney Bay bombed the fuck out of her.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_off_Samar

>>34920201
Let's not forget the pilots making mock attack runs long after they'd run out of ammo, even firing their pistols at the enemy's bridge and throwing loose items out of the cockpit.

>>34920201
My bad, it was Chokai the escort carriers BTFO.

Chikuma got done by the destroyer USS Heerman and Avengers from and Kitkun Bay and Manila Bay (also of Taffy 2).

>>34917972
Some parts, like propellers, will last forever

>>34918284
>Instant accurate location wasn't as easy in past as it is now, pic related, that was relative accuracy of dead recognition navigation back in the day.
Also, ships did nit report exactly where and when they were sunk. They'd report time of attack and so forth, but the difference of even 5 minutes at flank speed trying to dodge torpedoes would place it quite far from the last reported position, as would sinking in a glide path.
The ocean is really fucking big, and you can only search small bits of it at a time- not even all sea mounts are properly logged, see the USS San Fran. So unless you have a pretty good idea of where to look, good luck.

>>34920345
>see the USS San Fran.
The next day, the missing plane was sighted by Minneapolis and recovered by San Francisco. It had landed on the water, but had been unable to communicate. The pilot, Lieutenant J. A. Thomas, and the radioman, O. J. Gannan, had headed for Australia, sailing the plane backwards as it tended to head into the prevailing east wind. In five days and 21 hours, they had covered approximately 385 miles (715 km) on a course within 5 degrees of that intended.

fuck me

>>34920104
https://youtu.be/3m5qxZm_JqM

>>34920377
I was actually referring to SSN-711 which crashed into an undersea mountain they didn't know was there, but that too illustrates just how fucking BIG the sea is.

>>34920417
>which crashed into an undersea mountain they didn't know was there
wasn't there a similar thing with one of the CVNs?

>>34920430
From /k/ greentexts of the USS Brokedick, I'm pretty sure the Enterprise sucked up a uncharted sandbar while leaving port as the XO was in a hurry and the channel hadn't been dredged. Not quite as dangerous but still pretty bad.

>>34920470
http://www.upi.com/Archives/1983/04/28/The-nuclear-aircraft-carrier-USS-Enterprise-ran-aground-in/8921420350400/
So /k/ is useful for something after all.

>>34920496
>George Tekai, who plays Mr. Sulu in the 'Star Trek' series flew aboard the ship at 7 a.m. on a helicopter.

wut

>>34917633
That makes me feel whatever the opposite of claustrophobia is.

>>34920727
Agoraphobia?

>>34920727
That reminds me of those threads on /tg/ about deep sea horrors. Fucking squicky shit there, man.

>>34920104
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m5qxZm_JqM

>>34920841
Wait, is this serious or is this a comedy act?

>>34920957
jesus christ mate, its fucking comedy. it's a classic.

>>34920957
Comedy.
Also, welcome to /k/ newfriend

>>34916261
>they didn't yet install the water tight doors

There's a lesson to be learned there.

>>34921272
Late war Japanese High Command was not "into" learning lessons. They were perfect, it was the world that was wrong!

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>>34920528
There was probably a sailor he could touch.

>>34919607

Sounds like something a 6 year-old would say.

>>34922534
OH MY!

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>>34920417

That is pretty interesting accident by all means, really fucking lucky that ship and her crew actually survived it.

>>34918088
I recognise and appreciate this reference

>>34911627
>>34912823
I would rather he look for the Hornet, Wasp, or Lexington next before moving onto the Midway carriers. Has he said what he will try to find next?

>>34926636
Hornet would be good since then we could compare her to Yorktown's wreck.

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>>34911627
Am i the only guy who finds shipwrecks very creepy and unsettling?

>>34920076
>left one deep-rooted tradition for sailors to uphold.
I see what you did thar

>>34917633
>that Sperm Whale depth
I like to think they're fighting Cthulhu or some shit.

The bomb delivering shark cage has been found eh.

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>>34926636
I want more coverage of Musashi god damn it

>>34926413
my pleasure

>>34926745
Nope.

>>34920052
If the shells were to have detonated, though, there would have been nothing left except scraps.
WHY IS THIS NOT A FUCKING MOVIE YET?

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Russians also have habit of looting shit from sunken warships. Not for scrap metal, but for shiny things that they sell to collectors.

>>34920417

Do you think the Captain got shafted?

>>34926636
Wait, which Lexington? I could have sworn that at least one from WW2 is still around in Corpus Christi.

>>34930138
CV-16 is at Corpus Christi and CV-2 is at the bottom of the ocean.

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>>34930138
>Wait, which Lexington?

Probably the one that was sunk in battle of Corral Sea.

>>34930138
>>34930138
If you haven't been to it you should. I'm 90% sure a lot of the rooms aren't where they were in real life, but it's pretty neat.

>>34927897
I think there might have been. Black and white, possibly a john wayne film.

Bump this

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>>34911627
Spoopy captcha

>>34920268
they're generally cast bronze, so, the second thing after the ship's bell to steal

>>34916332
>"At the end of October 1968, the Navy's oceanographic research ship, Mizar, located sections of the hull of Scorpion on the seabed, about 740 km (400 nmi; 460 mi) southwest of the Azores,[15] under more than 3,000 m (9,800 ft) of water. "

From wikipedia. Ballard was asked to survey the wrecks, but he didn't find them.

>>34918083
War time records may have been incorrect or lost. The Indianapolis in particular didn't have time to call for help before she sank. A lot of it just has to do with the fact the ocean is a big place.

>>34937002
Actually, she did send calls for help. The operators that received the calls (and there were several) were either drunk, asleep, or assumed that it was a Japanese trap.

My grandpa served on that ship, cool shit.

>>34918168
One more time.

There is no official start or end dates of generations, but there is a general consensus. The broadest definition of "millennial" has people born from December 1979 to still being born (and projected to at least 2026, making it the longest-running generation to ever exist). Most research institutions use either 1986 or 1990 as earliest birth years and either 2000 or 2005 as latest end years.

Under most definitions of "millennial" there are either NO 30+ year old people, or there are far more millennials too young to legally drive than there are millennials 30 and up.

>>34937711
So it's a bullshit definition that old people use to feel better about themselves?

>>34937738
And for corporations to sell shit to people, yes.

>>34937612
Damn. Didn't know that.

>>34936977
>From wikipedia. Ballard was asked to survey the wrecks, but he didn't find them.

Surveying the wrecks at least in case of Tresher was effectively finding it again. The reason why those were found as easily as they were in 60's despite overall far worse equipment is largely the fact that sinkings were detected by SOSUS search areas could be pretty small.

>>34916388
Slight error. Ballard's Tiranic search was funded with Navy money as a cover story for his primary mission. He was instructed to visit both the Thresher and Scorpion wreckage (locations were already known) to ascertain if the wrecks had been disturbed (as the US were stealing warheads from Soviet sub wreckage & wanted to confirm the Soviets weren't doing the same to them). Obtain better images, and measure radioactivity from the destroyed weapons & reactors. Mud samples were taken. And in the Scorpions case, maybe provide more insight into it's loss.

The quicker he was done the more time he had for the Titanic search and ultimately successful.

No B-52 bombs were searched for. Were you referring to the 4 lost off Spain in '66? They were recovered, the one that ended up 2,700 ft down in the water was found & recovered by another famous Navy guy who helped locate K-129 and Scorpion, John Craven.

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>>34911627

Somewhat related, what do you think it is?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltic_Sea_anomaly

>>34938783
>ight error. Ballard's Tiranic search was funded with Navy money as a cover story for his primary mission. He was instructed to visit both the Thresher and Scorpion wreckage (locations were already known)

Even when location is "known" it takes time to actually find those wrecks. That was actually a thing before GPS. Debris field left by shipwreck was to an extent easier to find. At least with USS Thresher it was essentially about re-discovering the wreck site.

The huge difference between discovering Titanic and USS Thresher or USS Scorpion time and budget constraints. While tech used for later deep sea wreck discoveries is naturally more advanced, those have been done without essentially open bank account for funding.

>>34912823
I would love it if they found out the wrecks of the japanese carriers from Midway, they were fucking amazing

>>34914852
boomers everyone

>>34939330

Spoopy

What other major wrecks are out there that hasn't been found?
Japan's carriers from Midway and the Oklahoma are the ones that come to my mind.

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>>34934645
True, if people can get to them and have a way to raise them. In the specific case of Titanic, her two main propellers are very deep down and weigh around 38 tons (or 22 tons for her center screw)
They're not going anywhere unless someone very dedicated wants them and has the means to dig them out and raise them. So even once the wreck itself completely collapses and fades away, there will still be three screws down there with the number 401 (The number given to her by Harland and Wolff) stamped into them. As permanent of a headstone that she could get.

>>34920141
>rescuing the survivors of a ship that attempted to torpedo you multiple times and rammed you
And people say the Germans were assholes.

>>34929596
Yes, he was reassigned and issued a letter of reprimand.

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>>34942363
Besides that one section of the Kaga, I can't think of a single other Japanese carrier sunk at sea whose location is known.

>>34944054
Oh wow, you're not kidding. All they found of her was some of the midship and gun tubs. All their carriers are probably in very deep water and are in poor shape if they all exploded like they did at Midway.

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>>34944317
Yorktown was found at around 16,000 feet, and Indianapolis at 18,000, so I can't imagine every single Japanese carrier is too far beyond that to make discovery impossible.

It's really weird to me that they just found that one bit of Kaga and then were like "mission accomplished let's go home lol". It's like if Ballard had just found the Titanic's boiler or the Bismarck's turret and called it a day.

I'd personally like to see them find Akagi the most, since she was flagship of the First Air Fleet for both Pearl Harbor and Midway. It's probably in decent shape, too, since it was scuttled with torpedoes and didn't suffer a catastrophic explosion like Kaga.

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>>34915832
Don't be so sure, the Chinks bought the most expensive grave robber of all time after all

>>34945047
Problem with Kaga is that she exploded.Parts went everywhere and since she was a carrier, a fairly large amount of her space was empty for the hangar deck. They found the small portion and then didn't really know where else to look.
That piece could have been thrown into the air pretty far and then also drifted as it sank. I'm sure eventually those wrecks will be found. Someone just has to be dedicated to searching.

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>>34939330
Huh. We've been wondering where that one went down.

Would the Japanese have noted where they sunk the Akagi? Maybe the records didn't survive the war if they did.
Go to that piece of the Kaga and fan out and maybe you'll find the rest of her and possibly the others as well.

>>34914673
>>34914852
I love Jaws. I grew up watching it. My mom told me the fear that everyone had in '75 after the film came out. The beaches/towns around here lost a lot of revenue due to people being scared of sharks in the water. I find it fascinating, a flash in the pan, much like Hitchcock's "Psycho" was.
t. a millennial

>>34946476
It was a pretty big hysteria back in the original Jersey Shore attacks in the early 1900s.
Until then, sharks had actually been assumed to actually just not be dangerous at all to humans (on average, the number of people killed annually by sharks worldwide seldom, if ever, gets even close to 100, so it's not exactly a looming threat, more people drown in their own house, but it can happen), because really, very little was actually understood about them what so ever back then. It was even thought that at least one of the attacks was by some sort of sea turtle.

It spurred a lot of new research into sharks. Hooper described the Great White as 'an eating machine', whichbwould sound preposterous to a marine biologist today, but was actually the prevailing thought back in 1975 (so even if that's bunk now, it's actually period correct).

Also, while the film crew would give the original Animatronic shark the affectionate nickname 'Bruce', Steven Spielburg would refer to it as "the fucking piece of shit" and "The Great White Turd", because it would constantly malfunction on set and ruin takes (incidentally this is why they go through much effort to show as little as possible of the shark).
In fact, Quint's speech about the Indianapolis was sort of thought up by his actor on the spot while they were all waiting for Bruce to be repaired again, because they had time to kill and he felt it would be a good piece of characterization.

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>>34946399
>Would the Japanese have noted where they sunk the Akagi? Maybe the records didn't survive the war if they did.
The destroyers that scuttled her almost certainly did, which should provide a good starting point. However, it's hard to say that the last position they took would end up being the exact spot where she lies now, due to navigational error and other factors. She would have sunk through around three miles of water, and likely would have drifted from her last reported position during that time. And like you said, who knows what happened to the records themselves. All four of the destroyers which took part in the scuttling - Arashi, Hagikaze, Nowaki and Maikaze - were themselves sunk by American ships later in the war.

>Go to that piece of the Kaga and fan out and maybe you'll find the rest of her and possibly the others as well.
This is hypothetically what you're supposed to do when you find a big chunk of the ship you're looking for, and what led Ballard to the ships I mentioned above. His team used sonar to find big, easily identifiable pieces of each ship, and then used a camera sled to follow the debris field right to the main wreck sites. Pic related is Titanic's boiler. Why they haven't done this yet with Kaga is beyond me.

Can I just say how much I'm enjoying this thread? This is one of my all-time favorite subjects, and I almost never get to talk about it.

>>34937807
Indianapolis had also just delivered the components for the Little Boy so it was probably had whereabouts listed elsewhere.

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>>34946940
Interest and budget constraints mostly. Musashi was famous enough to warrant someone to look for her. I'm surprised Paul Allen didn't follow-up searching Fusou/Yamashiro considering they were in the same country as Musashi and is in a rather shallower area since someone already dive into the site.
Pic unrelated is the wreck of Hibiki, or so they say. We should post more WWII wrecks.

>>34912824
He needed a bigger boat

>>34947411
Oh yes find the Yamashiro and show me the holes from the 16in shells my shipfu put into her

>>34947491
Someone already did. The details were hazy though since the conditions were pretty bad, with murky waters and all. Yamashiro just lies some 600 feet beneath the surface so if someone has enough interest and budget, he might be able to find her once again.

>>34913274
Most poetic shit people post here are cringey as hell but this was actually quite beautiful to read anon. Did you come up with this?

>>34920037
>>34920052
Bullshit. There's all of one historian who thinks Yamato damaged an escort carrier, but based on the Japs' own records, Yamato has never successfully damaged another ship in combat.

>>34915373
Reminder that the ship's talker was none other than the younger brother of the man the ship was named after.

>>34913274
Goddamn it i knew i was too affectionate to ships and its weaponry