/meg/ - Military Enlistment General

>>34900222
i was never on a sub but there are positive and negs.
Closer tight knit community, cool so to speak. Faster advancement and better bonuses for some rates.
Cons are shittier port calls usually. No sun light, fucked up air and hot racking.
IMO not worth it unless you have a huge boner for subs.

>>34900369
How easy will it be for me to become a helicopter pilot if I have not gone to uni

I have visible scoliosis that causes some light back pain when lying down for long periods of time but does not interfere with any physical activity in any way.

Will I be able to join the Canadian infantry with this? I don't think lying will be an option as it's very visible.

>>34900608
Army WOFT program is the only way AFAIK

>>34900620
>I don't think lying will be an option as it's very visible
Plausible deniablility.
You arent lying because you dont knwo you have it, end of story. Try and join and if they mention ti say wow i never know i had it, its never been a problem for me and so on.

Im having a hard time choosing between enlisting in my nations army or the US military. Im a dual citizen so I have the luxury of choosing

>>34901780
What nation

>>34901810
latvia. 5000 enlisted currently

How do I into these competitive standards? These scores positively correlate with success at BUD/S

Standing Long Jump: >90in
25 lbs Pull Up: 13-15
Body Weight Bench: 10-14
Deadlift: 1.75x Body Weight
5-10-5: 4.4-4.8sec
300 yd Shuttle Run: <60sec
3 Mile Run: 18-19 min
*800m Fin Swim: 12-14 min
*1k Fin Swim: <17min
Push Ups: 90-99
Sit Up: 80-89
Pull Ups: 19-21
4 Mile Run: 27min

Inb4 follow the program on the official website. 1 set twice a week is not nearly enough for proper strength and endurance gains

>>34901946
have you tried following the program from the official website

I don't know what mos to go for. I scored 88 on the asvab and qualify for a lot of things. I was thinking intel. Any suggestions?

>>34901868
Depends on how soon you want to go to war with Russia.

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If you ain't Corps, you ain't sh*t

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>>34901946
You need to follow a tried and true routine.
Running:
Couch to 5k
Couch to 10k
Half marathon training program from runners worls perhaps or similar site dedicated to running
Strength:
Beginner PL programs: SS or SL with some accessories
Than choose an intermediate PL program
Flexibility and Mobility training as well.
It really is that simple you just gotta do it.

Any suggestions for best job in the Coast Guard?

>>34902594
ME

So, being a poor fag buried in debt, I recommend my son go into the air Force. He finished Gate, and had his AA done by the time he graduated high school. He's about to start college to finish a bachelor's in astrophysics and has enrolled in ROTC for the air Force. He hopes to work in the space science division.

Did I screw my son by suggesting this path to him? He seems excited and is seriously considering career but I worry his talents will be wasted

>>34900379
that sounds pretty cool

I know this question is asked a lot but,

I took ADHD meds until a year and a half back and not sure if i should lie about it at MEPS.

Im spooked that they will find out, will they?

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Any Marines in the 02 field able to give a rundown of what an 0231 Intelligence Specialist job entails?

Things like average work day, time spent at work, objectives of the job, things of that nature? I just want to hear something that isn't Marine Corps shilling.

>>34900695
>>34900608

If you are a pilot, there might be some avenues, if you want to pursue WOFT, then take CLEP tests and transfer to a local uni (100$/test) I think you still need some college to be considered for the board, thats how I got my packet in during high school

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>>34901985

waht do you do for fun? unless you like writing, intel is probably not a good fit, Intel can get deployed with SPECFOR boots on the ground or get komfy desk job and the likes, but if you go army you can also do psyops and other cool shit. Or you can go to almost any branch and do aviation positions (aerial reconnaissance is still a thing in at least a few branches)

I personally went Coast Guard when I got a score like that, best decision I made, Got to kick doors and chose to get deployed, and hen I went right back to a nice CONUS desk job

Does anyone here know exactly what CTRs do in the Navy? is it mainly a desk job?

>>34903362
>is it mainly a desk job?
no its a console job
On ships they get their own space and monitor enemy coms and signals. On shore they most likely do something similar from an intel command. Its a good job.

If I took anti-depressants for 3 months, but later on felt it was inappropriate/not-needed/a misdiagnosis, would this bar me from becoming an officer in the future? I asked something similar to this once, I forget if the agreed-upon answer was "don't even mention it if it comes up at a selection board" or "get the doctor to sign a form stating this was an incorrect diagnosis" and the procedure to do such. Thank you all

>>34902086
Squatting wouldn't interfere with long distance running then? Also, the main test is off of push ups, pull ups, sit ups, 1.5 Mile Run, and 500m swim

>>34903889
Squatting does not equal destroying your legs so you cannot move for the rest of the week. Thats bro science workouts. Squatting will increase overall leg strength, back and erector strength and core strength. Im not saying become a world record holder but having strong legs is very useful. And just before some idiot says something squats dont give you BB sized legs so dont worry about that either.

PL programs almost always have ou squatting MON WED and FRI. The increase in frequency lets your body adjust to it and soreness mostly goes away. You can lift on those 3 days and run and do mobility work on the other 3 days and rest on sundays.
How bad is your fitness level right now?

>>34903933
Believe it or not, currently enlisted in the Marines and I'm a pog (Fuck a&s). Fitness isn't terrible but definitely not where I used to be. Used to run XC in highschool then powerlifted for a year after that but never together. Currently trying to get back into top shape before EAS while I have access to free gym

>>34904041
So your plan is to get out of the marines and join the navy with a buds contract?
Well good luck and just pick a plan and stick to it. If you need to lose weight clean up your diet.

>>34904095
Pretty much. Well, I'll be lurking if anyone's got Marine questions

>>34904121
Do you regret joining marines instead of another branch?

>>34904167
No. 80% it sucks but 20% is the cool shit you'll live for and always remember

so i got arrested for weed in middle school, but my charges were dropped after i was put on a program. should i tell the recruiter about it and would it effect security clearances?

>>34904200
>>34904200
What made you decide to try for seals instead of staying in the marines and doing recon or marsoc or something?

Any electronics/comms guys lurking in here? Poolee asking but would appreciate answers from any branch.

>>34904250
Just have a bad taste in my mouth from my unit, I don't hate the marine corps, I just want to go somehwere else. Also, SEALs get more training out of the gate than marsoc. I've seen too many marines go do shit they have no business or training do and fuck shit up

>>34904284
Makes sense, why not army 18x or something similar? Just curious.

>>34904317
Armies a bunch of nasties. They serve their role, but I'd rather not be a part of them. I've been brainwashed to hate them so it's kind of hard even considering it

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>>34900369
I told my Airforce recruiter that I had a past history of ADD meds and he said I was going to temporarily be barred until I can get the paperwork done.

This was about half a year ago, now I'm considering the Navy. If I don't tell this Navy recruiter, will it bite me in the ass now, or will they not bother anymore than if I had said nothing to the Airforce guy.

>>34904403
I told my recruiter that I had ADHD but had been off the meds for awhile and his response was along the lines of "You don't act like a sperg and say you've been off them for awhile, so fuck it. Don't mention it again...what were we talking about?"
I wouldn't mention it.

>>34904462
Thanks, anon. I'm more concerned about being in a database, but maybe I'm just paranoid.

>>34904524
>being in a database
THIS DOESNT EXIST
there is no databse
lie
lie
lie

>>34904241
help

>>34904403
Can I ask you an honest question? Why are you so hot-to-trot to sign yourself over to an organization that will gleefully chew you up and spit you out?

Any one have any success stories regarding the GI Bill after finishing their service?

I'd like to be financially independent/debt free after leaving the Army, but I'm thinking of looking into being an Infantryman.

>>34900620
idk how the canadians do it but depending on the severity of the scoliosis you would probably be required to get a waiver if not denied out-right.

>>34904683
Infantry sucks in peacetime unless you'll like being a janitor/construction worker

>>34904579
Trying to get in college right now, figure it's a good back up. Worst case scenario: 4 years, then get a degree in something. Best case, I like it for some reason and get great retirement.

>>34904536
That's good, thank you anon.

Currently in pre rasp. Ask me anything

>>34904826
When you look at the people you are going through with, can you already tell most arent going to make ti?
Im wondering if most people drop because theyre COD kids basically.

I have a GED due to suffering some trauma, what can I do other than a bachelors to make myself worthwhile? Appealing?

>>34902714
Just make sure he signs for the minimum number of years. If he loves it, he can reenlist. If he wants to do better for himself outside the military, he can finish the contract and he'll be set with career opportunities and no student debt. If he's excited about what he's doing, that's better than 80% of college kids by the end of their freshman year.

>>34904903
15 college credits puts you in the same tier as high school graduates. If you're trying to go in for a particular field, maybe having relevant experience or certifications would be a worthwhile alternative.

>>34904879
From my experience here, you don't know whose the quitting type until they quit. Everyone always says "I'll never quit they'll have to kill me" or something to that effect, and they're the ones who voluntarily withdraw. However, most of the candidates who make it past Cole Range are skinny dudes with lean muscle. It's all heart honestly. Some people are just in over their heads. 70 something dudes quit at Cole Range this week.

>>34904903
>>34905117 (me)
They do take GED holders that get good scores though. My brother dropped out and fucked around for 5 years before joining CG and they took him in a heartbeat after his ASVAB came through.

>>34905130
>70 something dudes quit at Cole Range this week
What was it that got them in your opinion? Were they bad runners? bad ruckers? Sleep deprivation?

>>34905137
Different anon here. To add to this, I have a GED and zero college credits, I've had zero issues so far with all the airforce and navy recruiters I've talked to so far, and am about to head to MEPS after Labor Day for airforce. I don't think it's as big of an issue as it used to be, especially with satisfactory ASVAB scores.

>>34905137
Any idea what his score was? I know the Mureeens dont have a minimum req, but the AF/Army are like 60+

I'm really interested in the CG, seems the easiest to meld back into society (jobs) after contracts are up.

>>34905183
To me, as long as your in decent physical shape and have good cardio, you can make it. Most of the guys quit because of trenchfoot. The cadre made them ruck through a knee high stream so their swollen feet got wet and they started to blister bad. The other guys got really severe chafing to the point of bleeding. Other guys quit because tiny hearts. Oh, the heat got some people too. It's 90 degrees almost every day with very high humidity. Heat catting is big here.

>>34905302
So the people who are still there yourself included, did you simply not develop those problems as in the trench foot and chaffing issues or did you just tough through them?

>>34905335
>You better start loving coffee edition
no one drinks coffee anymore

its a shame, really

>>34905302
>>34905335
thats retarded if theyre intentionally making recruits do unsafe things

>>34905243
He thinks it was a 96 or something close to that.

>>34905369
>no one drinks coffee anymore
>its a shame, really
???
In the navy on ships drinking coffee is a constant thing. Where does that not happen at?

Thinking of going Corpsman, how do I guarantee greenside?

>>34905335
I just got here from airborne. I finished my 5 jumps and arrived earlier this week. I'm watching from the sidelines right now and just observing. I class up in mid September. No idea how I'll avoid the trenchfoot, but some of the quitters have some tips, so I've taken note. It's important you don't linger around or spend too much time with the quitters. It really is contagious and you are who you surround yourself with.

>>34905369
They break you down physically and mentally because they want you to quit. The Regiment isn't joking when they say they want only the most dedicated rangers. It's not the regular army here, they have their own rules. It's a different world here.

>>34904241
it would probably affect a top secret

If I know a trade relevant to the rate I want in the navy, will they give a shit?
CB rates in particular

>>34905372
That's top tier! Thanks anon.

I feel inspired

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Should I go U.S. Army or USMC?

>>34907213
Do you want to do military stuff or do you want to do military stuff and be brainwashed?

I just quit drinking coffee this week monday, fuck. I kept getting really nasty shits in the morning and figured it was the cause.

So far I've been right. My 6 wipers have turned into 1 or 2 wipers.

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>>34907213
Based on your photo i would say USMC. REMEMBER when you meet your recruiter tell him you want front line infantry and want to be sent to afganistan.

>>34907213
Army. Same jobs, less bullshit, smarter people (which isnt saying much to begin with)

If you get a combat role you are going to be a janitor in either branch

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>>34907213
Army: more money, better equipment
Marines: better culture, more prestigious (I have no idea where civilians get this mentality from but they think Marines are the fucking warrior elite and that nobody else can compare.)

Personally, I chose the Marines because they're a much smaller branch and that's just the kind of person I am. They don't have the bevy of divisions that the Army has, so Marines rally around the pride of being a Marine first and foremost.

>>34907541
>more prestigious
Let me clarify by saying that they are seen as more prestigious to the GENERAL PUBLIC. Any Marine who isn't motarded will tell you that Soldiers are often times just as capable and squared away. But when you say "I was a Marine" to a civilian job employer vs "I was a Soldier," one has a far more noticeable impact.

Not entirely military, but fairly close. How does one get into the CIA?

I'm thinking about getting a history degree and learning Korean (or similar language) and trying to be a military analyst. What do you guys think?

Apparently to get the real cool jobs you need to be a Green Beret or something.

>>34907558
Which is fucking stupid to be honest. Civilians suck Marine cock so hard, I blame movies portraying them as some elite fighting force.

US Government in a movie needs something done? SEND IN THE MARINES OORAH

>>34907541
>Marines: better culture
Running a lot and being as mature as a highschool football team in the showers is not a better culture

If you were aiming to fly for the military as an officer, between Navy and Marines, which branch would you pick and why?

>>34907829
Navy because fly more than Ospreys

>>34907829
What do you wanna fly? If you wanna fly helis then army will be best

>>34907929
Navy is actually getting Osprey to replace the Greyhound, or so I've heard.

>>34908047
Helicopters or Fixed Wing, it doesn't particularly matter I just like flight. Slight preference to fixed wing. I'm sitting on a Navy pilot packet until the next board and Marines use the same test so I figured I would ask.

Does the Army have an officers' program for flying? I always hear about how you can go in as a warrant officer (which is non-comm right?)

>>34908067
Yes you can commission into aviation and fly in the army as an officer.

>>34905426
someone halp

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So something I've been curious about.

Everyone I've ever talked to says "DON'T VOLUNTEER FOR ANYTHING" when you're in boot camp. Why specifically is that? Are you almost guaranteed to be doing some stupid shit or something?

Examples would be helpful.

>>34908317
It is essentially shining a spotlight on yourself.
You get extra attention from everybody who enjoys yelling at you

Do they check for contact lenses during a medical/eye exam etc?

>>34900369
That grind is too coarse for aeropress.

>>34908317
Any and ALL attention in basic is bad.

>>34903877
Can I get a specific answer? Sorry to be annoying

>>34907558
>But when you say "I was a Marine" to a civilian job employer vs "I was a Soldier," one has a far more noticeable impact.

If you're falling back on your branch during a civilian job, you're already fucked.

Employers want to know about skills and responsibilities you had in the military. Talking about the color of your uniform is essentially saying "I did absolutely nothing relevant".

>>34908067

WOs are also commissioned officers. The difference is that they're technically focused and do not require a degree.

As already mentioned, the Army has O-type commissioned pilots as well, but they have to balance more leadership duties with flying.

>>34908317

Ultimately it doesn't really matter. Volunteering for stuff will not get you ahead in your career in any way. At best you might have a slightly more interesting couple hours doing some random detail. At worst the detail might be kinda shitty and you'll have to carry something heavy for a couple hours.

It's throwaway advice that people blow up into some big thing because they want to overplan every little thing. Volunteer if you feel like it, don't volunteer if you don't, it's irrelevant.

>>34901946
go on instagram, find jeffscs (retired seal) and pay him for his training program

>>34900379
>Alot of Men crammed into a giant phallus
What did the Navy mean by this?

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>>34908317
It's bad for a couple of reasons:

1. You're basically making yourself the go-to boy for ANYTHING a DI needs.
2. You're not blending in. If you cannot remain camouflaged from your DI, how will you stay camouflaged from your enemy?

>>34909323
I have my time spent in listed on my resume (I was stationed at the Pentagon) and job title and they always go wide-eyed when they see it. Believe me, it makes a difference.

>>34910094

Job title matters. Where you worked matters. What uniform you wore while doing it is only going to be relevant if your interviewer is a 22 year old McDonalds manager.

In most of my interviews branch of service doesn't even come up. It's the equivalent of getting brownie points for liking the same sports team as the interviewer. If that's what they're basing their hiring decisions on, it's not an org worth working for anyways.

>>34910108
Oh no, definitely not. I say the exact same thing here as well. Someone who does mechanical work is still getting the fundamental job experience, doesn't matter if it's in the Navy or the Air Force.

8 times out of 10 that it comes out I was in the military, the immediate follow-up is "What branch?" It's like clockwork. This country has a fucking hero complex for military veterans.

>>34908317
The only reason you'd ever want to voulenteer for anything is if you're enlisting as an E-1 going into a branch that can promote up to E-3 for merit out of basic. If your partiuclar rate/MOS whatever guarantees E-3 or higher, or you get it for college credits or some other shit all that volunteering does is make you have to arbitrarily do a bunch of extra shit for no benefit.

>>34910118
>This country has a fucking hero complex for military veterans
I love my veterans discount at the local coffee shop. I save $2 on every cup. It made it worth signing up.

Opinions on aussie army reserves?

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If you are serving/have served you must post your stack.

>>34911055
congrats on that CR

>>34905698
No, no one will care. Pick a rate you think you'd like. If you're good at it, it might help, but A school is literally just to train you well in your job anyways.

Has anyone here gone through both Army basic/OSUT and Navy Boot?

>>34911356
thats pretty rare, i knew a few people like that though. Why do you ask?

First to eating packets of insta coffee.. without any water.

>>34910144
You can get E-3 for doing 3 or more academic years of JROTC in high school, and I think 1 year of college ROTC

>>34911371
I did infantry OSUT in the Army and was separated week 14 for an embarrassing reason (uncharacteristsed discharge) I'm now getting myself in good physical shape in hopes of talking to a Navy recruiter. OSUT was way easier than I expected, in all honesty I'm assuming Boot will be physically and mentally harder.

>>34911417
why were you discharged? and yes the reason 100% matters

>>34911425
APFT failure, yes, including failing fat camp. I shipped without being able to do a single push up. The more I look back, the more I realize how stupid and pathetic I was. I just hope I haven't screwed myself permanently.

>>34911447
>I shipped without being able to do a single push up
cringe overload,
The navy may or may not overlook that dude i honestly cant say. What job you looking at?

>>34911520
Yeah, it's extremely cringy. I'd like to be a Gunner's Mate, but I was talking to some Navy prior service guys and they said I may have to take another job because of my ASVAB score (AFQT 92). Either way, I'm not talking to a recruiter until I can do 40 push-ups in a minute.

>>34911564
>may have to take another job because of my ASVAB score (AFQT 92)
Why???

>>34905426
You can't guarantee it. You need to do well in A school and even then your class might not even have options for a greenside billet. Source: am in field med right now

>>34911638
They said since I'm kind of at the mercy of the recruiters on this and they might try to force me into a job that needs slots filled but requires a "high" ASVAB.

>>34911660
>
Well Gm isnt like a low one or anything. If they try and force you nuke say hell no. Suggest CTN instead.

>>34911707
GM is what I want the most, but if I can get in the Navy period I'll be happy.

Just finished MEPS and swore in, AMA.

>>34911735
you dont know anything
>>34911731
i dont think theyd give you a hard time

>>34911735
1. What if I have dried shit stuck to my ass hairs
2. How far do you have to duck walk for
3. How long did it take

>>34911758
Thanks, I'm going to be in way better shape this time. I run 2 miles in 13:30, 50 sit ups in a minute, 30 push-ups in a minute. Still needs improvement before I talk to them.

>>34905636
what about secret

>>34911767

1. Clean your ass?
2. We did about 6ft one way, turn around, 6ft back. They make you do a bunch of low squats and this weird thing where you stand up from resting on your knees.
3. They wake you up at 3:45am, you leave for MEPS at 5:00am, you get done with the physical between 11:00am and 12:00pm. From there it depends what else you need to do.

>>34904241
Tell your recruiter about ANY legal issues, mental and physical health are what you lie about.

>>34911792
Secret only finds super obvious things. If it's not in your record they wont find it.

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About to talk to a navy recruiter in a few days about jobs etc, what should I expect?

>>34911770
dude are you fat or just insanely un athletic cause that sucks. Im being honest for your benefit.

>>34911854
You need to go in with a list of jobs. Decide now what you are interested in or else theyll lead you down the wrong path.

>>34911934
Fat. I'm starting a juice cleanse tomorrow, I'm going to do it until I'm not fat. I'm tired of wasting my life.

>>34911934
>>34911946
Forgot to mention, I've gone from 250.4 lbs to 240.1 lbs in the past 9 days.

>>34911946

Drinking fucktons of sugar water is not any kind of sustainable diet.

Run more, eat less, drink water. Maybe try keto.

>>34911838
i think arrest records exist, should i just lie about it or is it not a big enough thing anyway to keep me from getting it

>>34912001
If you had legal problems with ANYTHING, they will find it. Mental and physical health issues and drug use are the only things you can get away with lying about.

>>34912001
Short answer: don't lie about it. You will probably need to get a waiver, which will extend the process of enlisting but once you get it done you are set for any future clearance and you don't have to be worried about being dishonorably discharged every time you renew your clearance or reenlist.

>>34911946
14hrs fast 10 hrs to eat, no carbs unless from veg, med protein, high fat, run a bit and watch the shit melt off you. Juice cleanse is great if you want explosive shits for a week, all you lose is water weight.

>>34911946
>>34911956
cleansing is a complete meme
Fasting is not however and its a great weight loss method. Look into alternate day fasting.

>>34912061
>>34912051
I've basically been doing the fasting already. I thought it might be bad for my metabolism so I was worried about doing it more. I've been shedding fat though, and I feel better than before.

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>>34912105
Its the opposite. Completely abstaining from eating increases your metabolism.
https://intensivedietarymanagement.com/fasting-and-muscle-mass-fasting-part-14/

>>34912041
alright, guess im good then. thanks

>>34912169
Thanks for the info anon, I'll just start fasting then.

>>34912105
It slows down your metabolism, but that's not necessarily a bad thing.

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>>34912181
No it doesnt. Read before you reply.
https://intensivedietarymanagement.com/how-caloric-reduction-wrecks-your-metabolism-calories-part-vi/
>>34912169
>>34912178
Good on you, look into alternate day fasting. Fast one day eat the next day back and forth. Its pretty easy to manage.

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>>34900379
>mfw huge boner for subs
>mfw grew up playing dangerous waters and shit
>mfw can never enlist in my country's military ever

>>34912224
I'll check it out, this seems like a ridiculously easy method to loose weight. Thanks anon.

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>>34912233
>can never enlist in my country's military ever
whys that?
>>34912239
Welcome to the rabbit hole
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3946160/
>IF can prevent and reverse all aspects of the MS in rodents: abdominal fat, inflammation and blood pressure are reduced, insulin sensitivity is increased, and the functional capacities of the nervous, neuromuscular and cardiovascular systems are improved
No one wants to admit its a great method because its so counter intuitive.

>>34912224
I agree but the increase takes longer than you think.Seemingly paradoxical, metabolic rate is actually increased in short-term fasting. For some concrete numbers, studies have shown an increase of 3.6% - 10% after 36-48 hours (Mansell PI, et al, and Zauner C, et al

>>34912261
So is this just magic or what? I noticed on the days I've been skipping meals that I don't even feel hungry after a couple hours.

>>34912261
tldr I'm a bong, the first thing they do is get your medical history from your doctor, and I have health conditions that bar you. Details unnecessary.
It fucking sucks though.

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>>34912272
>I agree but the increase takes longer than you think
Irrelevant, as long as it doesnt drop we're happy. Any type of increase at all is just gravy.
>>34912282
Actually read the papers ive posted. Me spoon feeding you wont convince you. You actually need to read or watch some vids talking about the science behind it.

>>34912312
Okay, so basically my brain telling my body it's hungry is lying is what I'm getting from this article. Also, you need to stop spoon feeding me, I'm already a fatass.

>>34912370
>so basically my brain telling my body it's hungry is lying is what I'm getting from this article
No, you may actually be hungry, but so what? Doesnt mean you need to eat at all. Chances are youre addicted to sugar as well. Drink some water and/or black coffee and youll be fine.

>>34912370
go on /fit/ and read the sticky every day for 6 months while incorporating those changes into your life.

start the 10 week MARSOC training program (there is an app), and just cut down the round counts/amounts on stuff until your body gets better

>>34912519
I thought you were memeing when you said read the /fit/ sticky. /fit/ is the only board I've seen with an actual useful sticky.

>>34907664
>implying you don't want to suck marine cock.
>implying the army actually can hold anything in war.

>>34912602
no it has so much legit advice, i would just read the sticky and not even post there. there is so much gay stuff (literally) and shitposting that it might distract you from your goals.

myfitnesspal is a great app to help you count calories and keep a food log.

food tracking + eating whole foods and protein + tracking calories (my fitness pal) + working out (free MARSOC program or other) + consistency is 100% of what it takes to hit your goals

i would honestly go talk to a recruiter as well, just be like "hey this is me, this is my goal, and i want to work toward being able to make the cutoff for joining"

most recruiters will work with you and help give you advice and programs and shit

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>>34912710
>i would honestly go talk to a recruiter as well
no, they dont want to worry about you until youre ready.
>>34912602
follow pic >>34902086
running programs and buy and read starting strength.

>>34912753
don't listen to this guy, starting strength is a meme

>can do 10 pull ups and 90 sit ups in 2 minutes
>cant even run 1.5 miles in 13:30

Should I just kill myself?

>>34912765
>starting strength is a meme
it 100% is not. He needs to get stronger. Starting strength gets you stronger. Youre a meme if you dont realise that faggot.
>>34912819
No you should follow an actual running plan. Scroll up and follow the couch to 5k or 10k program.

>>34912845
he could do any other program than SS and still build that same base.

>>34913003
If that is true than why not do SS?
Its so simple and it works. All beginner programs are insanely similar. SS SL and Grey skull are all nearly identical.

>>34913022
he just needs a leg/chest/back day or something similar with all of the main compound lifts.

SS is usually provided as SS+GOMAD which is horrible.

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>>34913043
>SS is usually provided as SS+GOMAD which is horrible
No it isnt and this confirms you havent read the book or even know what SS even is.
Its 3 days a week of squatting and benching or OHP and Dl or Power cleans. Its insanely simple and quick and hits nearly all major muscle groups.
Dont talk about things you know nothing about.

>>34904253
pls respond

>>34913070
yeah i get it, you do A/B workouts with squats every training day.

im familiar with the program

>>34913095
Then whats the problem? its literally perfect if strength is all you care about. And it says specifically in the book GOMAD is for people who are insnaely underweight and struggle to put on size for that reason. What happens is idiots dont read the book and they are fat and start drinking milk.
>>34913091
Dude just ask your questions, what do you want to know

im so fucking tired of my countrys poor shit military funding

how do you go about joining masterrace US forces? is it even possible as a foreigner?

>>34913377
What country?

>>34902714
Not to sound all mushy and shit, but I never had a good relationship with my father, and ran away as soon as I could.
I'm now training for enlisting (not from the US btw) for a fucking boot, and all I can thibk about is how I wish I had someone earlier, who would point me in a right direction.
From what I've heard, the Air Force is one of the better places (broadly speaking) in the IS military.
And if your son is excited about it, I think there's nothing to worry about.
As the previous anon wrote, make sure he enlists for the minimum required time - if he likes it, he can reenlist, if not it's a valuable experience and hardly a lost life.

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Realistically, how difficult is Marine Corps boot camp for a guy who is already in the best shape of his life and can move very quickly/be loud?

>>34911447
>>34911564
>>34911660
>>34911707
>>34911731
Personally I don't think you should join, because failing your fitness test after fat camp is fucking unexcusable, you are provided a shitload of time to get your shit together.
Secondly, GM has some of the lowest requirements to get into for the Navy and a recruiter can't force you to do shit. Keep in mind that because of the low requirements, a fuckload of people go GM and it's overmanned right now, so there's probably not a slot for you. You also may wait in DEP for a long ass time before shipping out.
Make sure you can pass your PFA by a country mile before you even talk to a recruiter.

t. Active duty Navy

>>34913571
>GM has some of the lowest requirements to get into for the Navy
this isnt true. Its not high but its nowhere near cook level

>>34911055
MOS?

>>34912710
>myfitnesspal
This is such a huge fucking eye opener if you fill it out honestly if not somewhat autistically. I'm a skelly who's been trying to get /fit/, I was supposed to eat 2400 kcal daily for gains. Myfitnesspal showed me that I was actually eating 1600-1700 on a regular day. Once I started hitting the gym and trying to eat I quickly found out that trying to stuff more than 2000 a day was making me gag. I did get some nice gains while I managed to keep up with the regime though.

tl;dr I didn't make it.

>>34911055
NDSM and AFBMT
yay tech school

>>34911055
You a grunt? If so, grats on breaking Terminal Lance.

>>34913671
As someone who loves to eat and lifts to counter my love of food this mindset is so amazing to me. I truly wish i could live in your body for a day. I just cant imagine not being able to eat and gagging because of it.

>>34913554
lesser men than you have made it through

>>34913760
That's... actually very inspiring. Thank you!

getting deployed to estonia this january

heard there are brits quitting jobs because its so fucking boring over there

any of you fags know the situation over there?

>>34913852
its going to be cold

>>34913571
What's your rate?

>>34912292
Is it possible to join the US navy in that case? How do non citizens join the US mil?

Can you wear sunblock in bootcamp?

>>34914471
Yes, it's highly encouraged.

I'm on extra duty worn 8.5 hours to go. I'm bored as shit guys, help me pass the time.

>>34914625
what are you on for?

>>34914625
Base?

>>34914637
I quit a unit challenge thing. Was a shitty week, I just didn't want to deal with some stupid challenge.
>>34914643
Schofield Barracks

>>34914666
How does quitting a unit challenge work? That's Hawaii, right? 25th ID?

>>34914675
It's a battalion thing where you run to a point and do a lane or any obstacle, then run to the next. Its like a mini one day EIB, and if you finish you can pay $40 for a stick. I Just sat down and refused to go further, got 14 days.
And yes.

>>34914458
i'd google how to join as an international, there is some type of process, because a lot of people do this. you might have to renounce your citizenship first (would that really be so bad?) and then i think at the end of your service you become a us citizen.

>>34914707
wtf. How much bitching did you receive? Did anyone else do this and what rank are you?
Challenge does sound like bullshit though.

>>34914723
Oh I got mad shit for it, first sergeant was pissed. The whole company was doing it, not sure if anyone else fell out, but I quit early enough that it was obvious I just didn't want to, not that I couldn't. I'm a PFC.
I'm not gonna defend myself or try to justify it, I know it was a piece of shit thing to do.

anyone have any knowledge about cyber jobs in the airforce? i am thinking about joining the air guard for this. i think the training would be good, and for anything cooler i'd have to go active instead of reserve.

>>34914751
Holy shit, you're "that guy"
11b?

I leave for basic training on Monday. Any advice /k/ommandos? My old co worker told me don't take anything personally and just get through it so I'll do that.

>>34914792
countless people have been there before you so you will be just fine, don't get down on yourself, and dont do anything to attract attention

>>34914771
Yeah, 11B. I'm learning from my mistake, ain't gonna do it again, just trying to get through this to improve.

>>34914792
don't think for the long term. think 1 meal ahead or the end of the day tops. don't be 1st, don't be last, don't take the dumb shit or inevitable friction personally.

>>34914792
What branch turd

>>34914812
Damn man, you fucked up. Your CoC thinks you're a shitbag now. (I am too, being the APFT failure fatass) What OSUT company did you have

>>34914863
E 2-54
And I know, but there's no point in wallowing in it out trying to hide it. I'm just trying to improve and show them I can do it next time.

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>>34910089
>"how will you stay camouflaged from your enemy"
holy shit please tell me this is a joke

redpill me on SASR

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>>34914904
>>34914863
>making one of the easiest jobs in the world hard because you're retarded

>>34914904
Hope it gets better, just stay out of trouble. Bet your friends laughed their asses off though. If you leadership is good then they'll get over it if your conduct improves, but the army can have toxic leadership at times so ymmv. What did you platoon leader say?

>>34914928
If I wasn't retarded, I'd have been a POG.
>>34914936
PL didn't say much really, was mostly NCOs.

>>34914962
How much longer on your contract?

>>34914810
>>34914823
Thanks anon. I'll keep this in mind.

>>34914912
You think it's funny, but that is 100% how Drill Instructors think. Literally every single fucking thing they do is to prepare you for combat.

>>34913746
It's not a mindset, it's a physical limitation. I obviously eat a little normally, so suddenly eating 50% more felt like I was having a lavish dinner 3 times a day. Or like I was in one of those dumb eating contests where halfway through eating a 9001" deep-dish pizza you realize that maybe it wasn't such a good idea. After ramping it up much more slowly I managed to get to eating 2100-2200 somewhat comfortably, but it was still an effort, also to just prepare this much (good quality) food every day.

Speaking of quality it was really fucking hard to reduce daily calories from fat to 20%, I eliminated pretty much every unnecessary extra source of fat (butter, cheese, switching to 0-fat milk which tastes like shit, etc.) and even then I was still coming out at around 33% more often than not.

>>34915514
>Speaking of quality it was really fucking hard to reduce daily calories from fat to 20%
??????
Thats unnecessary anyway but even more so in our case. Youre trying to gain weight why would you reduce your fat intake on purpose?
Also why didnt you do GOMAD?
>but it was still an effort, also to just prepare this much (good quality) food every day
Buddy welcome to being an adult

>>34915584
>Youre trying to gain weight why would you reduce your fat intake on purpose?
To have a better balanced diet, it doesn't matter if I drink even EVOO by cups to hit my daily intake, but trying to hit it with protein without overshooting fats is a fucking chore.

>Also why didnt you do GOMAD?
It sounds like a dangerous meme.

>Buddy welcome to being an adult
I'm 30+ m8, just was lucky enough to always be a fit enough skelly (I hike extensively every weekend) who never tried lifting before.

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Give me the lowdown on recruiters: good guys, or absolute sharks?

I already know to get everything in writing, but what other tips do you guys have for me before going to see one?

>>34915662
>but trying to hit it with protein without overshooting fats is a fucking chore
Nigger you are desperately trying to gain weight. Overshoot.
>It sounds like a dangerous meme
Drinking milk is a dangerous meme?
It doesnt have to be full GOMAD maybe just drink a full glass with each meal.
>I'm 30+ m8
Then you should be used to cooking, plus its not even hard.

>>34915665
They serve themselves before you, so if your interests align with yours they are your best friend. But vice versa applies.
Best thing you can do is already do research ahead of time. When you walk in you should already know the top 3 jobs you want.

>>34915715
>Nigger you are desperately trying to gain weight. Overshoot.
What benefit does overshooting fat specifically give you?

>Drinking milk is a dangerous meme?
Drinking a gallon of full milk a day does sound like a dangerous mustard gas-tier meme. If it's just about getting the protein then I can do it in healthier ways, but stir-fried chicken gets fucking tedious after a week.

>It doesnt have to be full GOMAD maybe just drink a full glass with each meal.
For what it's worth, I drink about 500ml of 1% milk a day with my coffee.

>Then you should be used to cooking, plus its not even hard.
I am used to it, just not in such amounts and while trying to preserve both variety and nutrient balance (mainly enough protein). Again, you can only eat stir fried chicken with broc for this long before rage quitting everything.

>>34911735
what did you do after the physical? how much pressure was there to sign right then and there? did you feel you could have not signed?

>>34915665
its quite established that they care about nothing but pushing you into the roles that they are being told to push and getting you to sign period

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>>34915803
>What benefit does overshooting fat specifically give you?
You need more calories. Fat is the most calorically dense.
>If it's just about getting the protein
Again no its jsut more calories.
>500ml of 1% milk
Nowhere near enough
>you can only eat stir fried chicken with broc for this long before rage quitting everything
Wheres the beef? Pork? Shrimp? Fish?
Dude are you baiting me?

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Is anyone familiar with Air Force UAV officer positions, specifically in the guard or reserves?
I figure the UAV guys are the most likely to "deploy" other than special forces or actual pilots, and I'm probably not athletic enough for either.

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>>34915715
>>34915804
Good, that sounds in line with most of the advice I've received. Now, when it comes time to actually go to take the ASVAB and go to MEPS, am I able to schedule those two apart or must they be back to back?

I'd like somewhat of a safety net in the event that I bomb the ASVAB (unlikely, as I've heard that it's quite easy and I'm also a great test taker) but if I score below what my job requires, am I capable of backing out before swearing in so that I can have time to find another job that I'm interested in/switch branches altogether?

>>34915847
>You need more calories. Fat is the most calorically dense.
>Again no its jsut more calories.
So wait, are you saying that if I keep eating my skelly-mode 1700 kcal/day and top it up by eating a few spoonfuls of butter then I'll get mega gains?

>Wheres the beef? Pork? Shrimp? Fish?
Yeah there's that too, chicken is just the cleanest of them, save for fish maybe. But anything prepared any other way than stir-fried with minimal oil or baked plain turns out too fatty. So it's either the same few boring dishes with optimal nutrients, doesn't matter what the protein source, or more fancy but less healthy stuff.

What I'm saying is, whenever I try to eat 1.5g/kg protein while trying to reach my 2400 kcal/day goal then it's either fucking tedious and bland, or I actually end up overshooting the kcals due to fat, even if I manage to physically stomach this much of less protein-dense food.

Woah I found out that Chuck Norris and Bob Ross were in the Airforce

Just incase anyones wondering basic is easy as fuck literally just do as told too easy yes? Your gonna get dropped and do pushups and get yelled at but its really not that bad i was surprised when i got there expecting way worse t. Echo 787 MP BN not osut or an mp just was there for bct

>>34916050
Yes, you can take the ASVAB separately from getting the physical at MEPS. It's just one form to authorize for both and your recruiter should leave the physical section blank while having you sign/initial the test taking part on the bottom half. Also if you don't do as well as you hope on the ASVAB, take the 30 day retest waiting period into account and study the sections that you bombed the first time. Having a second go at the ASVAB with prep time seems preferable to suddenly switching jobs without researching at all, or worse backing out and trying to switch branches. At that point you would effectively have to switch because your recruiter wouldn't answer your emails/calls if you bailed right before swearing in. Just talk to your recruiter and get the ASVAB scheduled well before your "ship date" if you're worried about it. Then if you qualify for what you want, you have time to think about whether you really want to commit before you get your physical and go to basic.
>tl;dr
Yes you can do them separately, yes you can back out before swearing in (would not recommend), yes you can switch jobs and retake the ASVAB before you sign

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>>34916629
Wat

I'm 23 and American.

At age 19 I got caught with a tiny amount of weed, did the community service, and got it expunged.

I'm currently diagnosed with depression and ADD. I could easily work with my doctor to get off my vyvanse and lexapro medications over time. I honestly don't have ADD and faked it to get the vyvanse that makes my cubicle basement job tolerable and I'm only "depressed" because I'm poor and bored and stuck in my hometown.

I have an A.A degree, been at my current $10/hr office job for 3 years, have a gf of two years who lives with me, and don't come off as some kind of spergy depressed weirdo or anything, just a typical middle class college educated white dude.

ANY chance I could join any branch of the military within a few years?

If not, what should I do with my life? I've been at my best in my life when I played team sports as a kid and in high school with a coach telling me exactly how many pushups and laps to do and pushing me to give more effort and having trammates to be accountable to and go through shit with together. On my own, I never seem to do more than the bare minimum and have been pretty much floating through life since I graduated high school.

I want to move to another corner of the country or to another continent. I'm so fucking bored and tired of never having money for anything I want to do. I need a change, bad. If I even made 30 grand a year I'd feel filthy rich, I hate only having enough money to be able to not live in a shithole, not starve, and keep my beater car running.

I need a change, bad. I need to join something that gives me something productive to do and will allow me to go back to being middle class like how I grew up. I want to live somewhere new, meet new people, expirience new things and feel excitement again.

>>34917116
Don't tell anyone anything they don't need to know. This is standard advice, got it?

>>34917164
Is >>34911826 true? Seems to make sense, l assume legal problems are more well documented/easier to access than mental health records, especially when you more or less come off as a normie in person despite being "diagnosed" with something years ago by the American mental health indu$try>>34917164

>>34917116
Only tell them the part about the weed IF IT IS ON YOUR RECORD. If not, dont say shit. The medical shit, you dont need to say shit, no background check actually looks at medical so youre good to go there.

I know guys who got TS clearances with underage drinking and DUIs, so youre good to go on that. You can sign up for any branch.

Good luck

>>34902714
No.
Military officer is probably the best thing for college grads to do, career and manhood wise. Unless he's super into something else it's a stupendous decision and I hope he got free college out of it.

>>34903002
No diagnosis by a licenses shrink then your ADD doesn't exist. If you're on tricare or something then they'll find out, though. Ask your recruiter and tell him it's been 2 years since you stopped taking it and he'll advise you to most likely not mention it

>>34917116
A diagnosis from a licensed psych is bad news. If you can get it rescinded do it, they will definitely try and weed you out for it. But sounds like you have a lot more problems to deal with, Amigo. Get a different job and move somewhere pretty where you can exercise outdoors would be my recommendation

>>34916629
Yes. Chuck Norris had time to study martial arts because the Air Force doesn't do shit.

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Who stuck in ocs hell right now or in the past? What did you do to stop from going INSANE

How about those who have military flight experience? Licensed pilot here but haven't flown for a while, anything I should be doing during this asinine wait for butterbar camp, apart from keeping all my limbs intact?

>>34917355
How long you been waiting for?

>>34917273
>But sounds like you have a lot more problems to deal with, Amigo. Get a different job and move somewhere pretty where you can exercise outdoors would be my recommendation

I've actually been alot happier lately and my post only highlighted the negative things I was thinking as I'm laying in bed late at night right now pondering existential shit for the first time in a while.

Funny you mention getting outside, in the past year I've really been appreciating going on long walks with my dog in the woods, feeling the sun on my skin, noting and apreciating the sunlight at different times of day and paying close attention to seasonal changes, and noticing what kind of trees, topography, grasses, and flowers are in different areas. I've also really been appreciating that I live in North Florida where the sun is warm and the woods are thick.

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Best way to quell my nerves before leaving for Boot Camp?

>>34917409
Smoke weed.

>>34917363
Almost 5 months now, but the process took since december. had to move to my home state cuz they want you to do fucking DEP calls with your recruiter, so employment has been menial to just pay for survival, really. and recruiter told me not to get a new job cuz of stress and I could ship out any month from now till next may.

Family invites over for dinner almost every night cuz they know I can't really afford much. It's shit feeling like a leech, I just want to get on with it, I didn't become a pilot with a Bach to sit in my ass

>>34917364
Good. Outdoors keeps you sane despite everything. Just keep applying to new jobs, get a recruiter, and he'll answer better than us for your situation. They get 1000 dudes wanting to run away every month, tho, so don't be a shitbird

>>34917524
Fixed wing or rotary wing?

>>34917409
pop some melatonin and drink water

>>34917560
Fixed. Have more than just ppl, too. The other guys I've spoken to who got flight stuff had like 50 hours with grandpa and no licenses, but I'm worried about competing with academy bros.

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How substantial is the Reservist tuition assistance?

I've got 2 years of college under my belt, and don't necessarily want to stop, but I feel like I'll also be missing out on the experience.

>>34917742
What's your educational background like?

>>34917844
It was literally a pilot degree, lel. Great GPA too.

I'm not worried about not getting anything, I'm already slotted aviation, I'm curious what I should be doing to bone up, if anyone knows. Flipping through a FAR/AIM sounds like an excercise in patience not a study habit.

Well /meg/, I leave to go to MEPS on monday to get processed then get shipped out to basic training the day after. I truly appreciate all the help and answers you guys haven given me, take care.

I'm a guy who's best described as "sickly", I almost faint sometimes when I get up and I swell in the cold.

do I even have a shot at getting in?

>>34917866
What branch?

>>34917987
Good luck anon

>>34917272
>no background check actually looks at medical

What?

>>34917866
>Flipping through a FAR/AIM sounds like an excercise in patience not a study habit.
why do you torture yourself with this?

>>34917116
i would 100% join active duty if i were you. some of the computer jobs in the airforce translate extremely well to the civilian world when you get out.

i would look into the air force since they have bases everywhere for you to relocate to, a nice variety of interesting jobs, and they deploy.

once you get X amount of deployment time, you will have 100% of your college paid for if you want to go back to school for something.

Redpill me on why I should't choose infantry in todays world

>>34919344
it's your call, but what are your plans for life after you get out?

>>34917812
It's pretty good actually.

You just have to put in time doing STP. Then you reap the full benefits. You get a GI bill and you can use TA.

Australian citizen here, would it be possible for me to enlist in the US army and get citizenship through that? ADF enlistment is so fucked

>>34919377
i'd do research on it, i think we take a ton of jamaicans and people from all over who want/need citizenship.

i've heard of people needing to renounce their citizenship before getting a BUD/S (SEAL) contract, but i don't know what country they were from, that might not be the case for everyone.

>>34918127
Like I said, I've been trying to study up, but I have no idea what I should be doing to prepare. Doing flight refreshers isn't cheap, and I'm not sure what would be useful to study vs what would be a waste of time.

>>34919377
>>34919394

Last I checked they killed the MAVNI program, so there's currently no way for a non-resident to join. You need a green card (3+ year wait) minimum.

>>34917560
>>34917844
>>34918070
There a method to this line of questioning? Speak for fucks sake, don't take 4 posts to ask for his mother's maiden name and social, holy shit.

>>34918031
srsly these threads some days, why do you even want to get in???

>>34917355
hey Pilotbro could I ask you a few qs?

Going to meps in a couple days very nervous to take asvab. Ive been working long hours lately and haven't been studying much. Is the computer version a going to help me out as in being easier than the paper version

>>34903877
>>34909248
Different anon here in a very similar situation. Seconding this question.

>>34920270
Just some background: US, was not a licensed shrink, just some general health doc. Have since transferred to a different hospital system and didn't have the records from the previous doc sent.

>>34920207
Asvab is super easy what mos are you trying to get?

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>>34915380

>>34913382
Canada

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>>34920270
>>34920294
the /meg/ official response is: if you aren't going for something that leads to TS, you have zero medical history of any kind. you deny any doctor ever has told you something is wrong with you and if MEPS docs see something somehow you say "this is news to me" or something along those lines. for mental history there is no physical evidence, so if you don't tell them you were on pills for 3 months you weren't on pills for 3 months.
pic related is what the TS form asks

>>34920714
Thanks for the response. I realize it's a common question, but it was still weighing on me. Gonna forget it ever happened now.

>>34920714
what if you are going for something that requires TS/SCI?

>>34920820
Evidently as long as you've kept it secret and it doesn't come up in the interviews they conduct for character investigation, you're in the clear. Can another anon confirm this is true?

How long would it realistically take someone to get a 4 year degree while enlisted in chairforce?

>>34920820
/meg/ will probably tell you lie anyway about medical history. but the smarter advice is, go look up the entire form 86 and fill it out truthfully on your own. look at the things that are going to cause you issue and think about how big an issue it might be and how easily they might find out about it if you tried to lie.
some people just can't handle lying knowing there could potentially be a poly, others can esp if told there often isn't a poly and even if there is one they won't ask medical/mental shit

its a matter of some debate how seriously you should take lying on the TS form, i highly recommend you just fill it out on your own time and see how you feel

>>34920848
i don't have issues or anything, i was just wondering what the policy etc was about

>>34920820
>>34920848
>>34920856
here's the really scary bit about lying to get a TS. everyone agrees they will be making phone calls to your references, possibly land lords, employers etc. so if any of those people know things you are going to lie about... well i'd have a hard time sleeping well

>>34920875
pretty crazy, but i wont be lying about anything

>>34920875
Good thing I haven't told anyone and it had no effect on my job at the time, nobody noticed anything. Thanks, anon.

>>34920533
11b

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>>34921014
LOL
>11b
>worried about the asvab
Dude you need a 31 and even then they still waiver the failures in. I honestly cant even remember how to do long division and i got an 86 t. Intel analyst. btw Kuwait is cool you work out and play vidya all day but if you want real combat go elsewhere my cousins going to iraq in like a week

>>34921074
how do you like intel? i was debating between that and some of the computer/cyber specialities

>>34921074
>my cousins going to iraq in like a week
whats his MOS? just curious

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>>34921137
Cant really say much desu in ait right now fort hauchuca is pretty okay

>>34921223
11b but he's assigned to light infantry he scored like a 29 on his asvab and got waivered in now he's a squad leader jej

>>34921074
I just enlisted 35N. Can you give me anything to study up on before I go to AIT?

>>34921261
>he scored like a 29 on his asvab
jesus christ is he mentally retarded?

>>34921297
Nope i really know nothing about them i think they train here but im not sure desu all ive seen thus far is 35f 35g and like 2 35t 35n top secret i assume? You wont be able to take anything out of the classroom which is annoying so your kinda fucked if you fall behind or miss class for any reason ait is cool though you get your phone and laptop you can smoke day one and on week 3 we can have anything we want tv xbox furniture whatever theres platoon sgts instead of drill sgts though they are bringing back drill sgts in October apparently gold phase you can go 30 miles off post green phase 100 miles off post atleast in my company

>>34921349
Pretty much lel

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>>34921261
>>34921297
>35 series
>posting on 4chan
>while at Huachuca

Mrs. Dot Head Indian TS Investigator Lady here, would you like to explain why you were posting on 4chan. It's a well known venue of the Alt Right movement.

>>34920151
Yeah sure. standard stuff out if the way, you have to be pretty much in perfect health (I've had four physicals), prior flight experience does help, you need a degree unless it's army warrant officer school, and until you do well on the TBAS and asvab recruiters will pretty much roll their eyes if you say you want aviation

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>>34921423
Nah im a good goy mam

>>34920856

This. /meg/ is 90 % neverserveds and retard jobs. Honest is the best policy if you're going into one of the god-tier jobs that doesn't take anyone.

There's almost nothing that can't be worked through in a clearance investigation if you're up-front about it.

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>>34921538
Tfw nerd with nothing to list on an sf 86
Jokes on you now chad

>>34921420
I appreciate your reply, but christ man use some punctuation.

>>34921538
what is a god-tier job?

>>34921633
kek

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>>34921633
>bothering to use grammar on memechan
3lazy my guy

>>34919369
How much time are we talking?

My duty station is only about an hour and a half away, and I've already got a pretty flexible job so supplementing that income isn't very difficult.

>>34921437
Is it true you have no chance of getting an OCS slot without perfect grades?

Also, how finnicky are they about waivers? Do they want more people or less?

>https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.clearancejobs.com/2016/11/29/dni-announces-change-psychological-health-question-sf-86/amp/
Apparently they're changing the mental health section of the SF- 86 to be much more specific with the issues that it's trying to weed out. Thoughts?

>>34921538
t. OPM

>>34922659
does AF have officer reserves or is it active only?

>>34922732
Would someone who took aderall/Prozac for year or two as a kid due to some bogus diagnosis still be denied? I'm talking like 8-9 years old

>>34922659
Grades are definitely a factor... But I'm not sure how much sway they have. Perfect is not necessary, for sure, but I'd shoot for the rotc minimum which is 3.25-3.5 I think. If you're a few years out of college. Flight experience seemed more important desu

>>34923774
They have reserves as all as the air guard AFAIK. Air guard wanted to give me literally every job when I scored high on asvab, but they're mostly enlisted I think.

Speaking of coffee, would there be a market for a collapsible french press among servicemembers? It could fold to a length smaller than the Aero Press while not needing filter paper and making better coffee.

>>34924999
what was your score? i am 99% set on air guard, and kinda would like to have my pick of what i want to do . . . i just havent decided what that is yet

What's a comfy officer job with decent prospects in the civilian world? I recently got a degree in microbiology and was thinking of enlisting if I don't get into any professional schools. Something related to my degree would be nice, but I don't mind learning a completely different skillset.

>>34924411
Even currently, they're only asking about the past seven years. You should be gtg.

>>34921297
you'll learn everything you need to learn in AIT, they can't really share that information to the public. from what i've heard of people in that MOS, solving puzzles such as sudoku will help. good luck anon.

>>34925074

>comfy officer job
>prospects in the civilian world

Why do you even want to join the military?

>>34900369
Physical Trainer here.

I was assigned a student who is preparing for the Navy, and upon having worked with him, have some serious concerns. I have worked with many students, but by far, he is the most difficult.

He is unable to push himself any further than what he deems comfortable, feigns illness, lives in a state of denial (refusing to properly train yet acting as if he'll magically change upon entry into boot camp), and lacks both discipline and attitude to a degree where I fear he may be a danger to himself and others when put into a situation where he won't be able to run from it.

What should I do?

>>34925609
he prob has a fuck ton of student loans and no job prospects like a lot of people

>>34925631
convince him he should join the marines instead, sit back and watch the fireworks

>>34925631
Assuming this isnt a joke, you need to accept some people are born losers. Hes not your problem. Fuck em.

>hypothetical
if a recruiter sends a medical report to meps thats essentially blank but a recruit finds paperwork that finds they did have a non-disqualifying condition how should they go about correcting this so they dont get fucked? Report at meps or bring to the recruiter?

>>34925631
I wouldn't worry about it, he sounds like he'll fail out of the military and someone like that you can never convince of the truth of who they are
hopefully he learns a life lesson or maybe he'll just pussy out of even joining in the first place.
Once upon a time there I remember seeing something about a weekend bootcamp lite thing through the reserves that people could go to to get a taste of things, can't recall details but maybe you could convince him to do that if it exists?

>>34925711
>>34925656
>>34925656

He knows enough about the military to not fall for that, but again, not enough for him to realize how fucked he is if he doesn't stop acting like a spoiled kid.

He was referred to me by a family friend, which is why I'm really trying to help him out, and I am beginning to suspect that he's been babied to a degree for most of his life. Like, 'Hmm I don't really like this specific kind of milk' level stuff. Not good at socializing, high levels of anxiety, easily angered. I've navigated around this for as long as I could by distracting him with jokes, and I see some degrees of improvement, but at the end of the day, I am worried.

Telling a kid like him that he absolutely can/must become something he really isn't, and having him possibly fail again (he was denied once due to hyperactivity, and impulsiveness diagnosis from years back) could put him into a very bad state of mind.

I hope for the best but prepare for the worst. Mixing anger issues, difficulty handling failure or conflict, and impulsiveness is not a good combination when you have access to guns.

I'm worried, is all.

>>34925764
oh so youre worried for other peoples sake no his own?
Id have a talk with whoever recommend him to you and explain your concerns.

>>34922659
For waivers... Idk that never came up for me. They definitely want pilots right now, but depends what the waiver is for. Recruiters seemed iffy to have to fill out waivers unless you were really good

>>34925039
If you have higher than like a 70 air guard literally bend over backwards to find you something, but I think they mostly handle enlisted positions. It's like reserves in that it's not full time though. I had a 97 on my asvab, but anywhere in the 85-90s would make you very competitive probably.

>>34926131
Air Force, Navy, Air National Guard?

I'm in my last year of uni right now, have my PPL and aiming to have my instrument and commercial by the end of next summer. Hoping to get in with the Air National Guard myself.

>>34926198
Oh, and multi-engine. In with the Civil Air Patrol right now to get cheaper hours and some decent training from more experienced guys.

>>34926198
All branches are looking for pilots right now, AFAIK. Air guard can be tricky as they can only work with certain slots, but they do have pilot slots.

>>34926217
Shit dude nice. Cap will definitely help, you sound like a good candidate then. Ocs and recruiting in general takes forever though, even more tests for pilots so try and find a recruiter NOW to talk to and find your options

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You have no right to be an officer if you were not prior enlisted.

Debate me.

>>34926531
No

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>>34926550
It's true and you know it.

We could, in an instant, completely curb the Bootenant epidemic.

>>34926531
>>34926550
>>34926598
literally no need for "officers"
It should just be another job you graduate to with pay grade increase

>>34926645
I would be okay with this.

>>34926598
Then do it faggot, we don't give a fuck if you go to ocs.

Why there so many officers and yet so few mustangs? Do enlisted just not want to succeed?

>>34926665
Why are there so many old farts in high paying jobs and so few millennials who can enter the workforce proper? The military, like everywhere else, is completely backed up by grand old men who don't want to stop the gravy train.

>>34920875
They call references, roommates, coworkers, employers, landlords, friends, family, and even elementary school teachers depending on what you need. With a "regular" TS they may not do all of that, but with certain jobs like intel and with SCI clearance, they'll probably do the majority.

>>34925039
Have you taken the ASVAB yet? Recruiters won't talk jobs with you until you take the ASVAB and get your physical done at MEPS. Just study for a few weeks if you need to and try for the best score you can get. 80+ will qualify you for everything and 90+ you'll probably have first pick for almost any job (unless some hotshot came in the day before you with a 99). Air Guard generally has older, more educated enlistees so even though you might qualify for a job with your scores, they'll take the higher scores first. Also they do have guaranteed jobs, which isn't the case with the regular AF.

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>>34926685
>why are so many people with experience and have been in the system for a long time have a high paying position

Alright lads, I've got a conundrum. I plan to enlist after high school, but I don't know what branch to enter. I've talked to recruiters from the army, navy, and marines. i don't want to end with a desk job or get dropped in a combat role. What do?

>>34927094
>I don't want literally the two things that people in the military do
Join navy go cook, they take retards such as yourselves.

>>34926531
>>34926598

Your daily reminder that most Mustangs get forced out before they even make senior officer ranks. They're cool dudes to have as a boss when they're junior officers, but they're shit officers overall and it shows.

"Mustangs are good officers" from the mouths of enlisted is basically the equivalent of a little kids thinking teenagers are cool.

>>34927094
You're looking at maintenance or being a cook.

>>34927094
>don't want to end with a desk job or get dropped in a combat role
so wtf do you want
>>34927343
daily reminder most get out cause theyve been in for 20+ and are ready to retire not for the faggy reason youre saying.