/meg/ - Military Enlistment General

I hate all of you. Especially if you're in the Army.

Best branch to go as medic for combat? AF PJ, Army 68W, Greenside corpsman?

>>34872918
I hate Soldiers too. Just get your training and get out, if you serve the state you deserve all the issues and more you have coming to you.

I hope I pass medically otherwise I literally have no idea what to do for a career.

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If you aint Corps, you ain't sh*t

Any Canadian infantrymen here who can tell me what to expect? The more in depth the better

Took my DLPT and 100% sure i passed. Today is a good day gents. 1.5 years of Korean done

>>34872919
PJ if you think you can make it through selection and training

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Alright, I literally just graduated US Army Infantry OSUT last week, 11b.

I know in the months and weeks before I left I was always looking for info, so feel free to ask me anything you want.

The long and short of it is: Its way, way more lax than I was expecting discipline wise, and much harder than I was expecting physically wise.

The other privates were the worst part.

Alright any questions, go ahead.

>>34873234
Why didn't you tried getting into army rangers?

>>34873234
nearly everything everyone is going to ask is about getting asked to go airborne, ranger and SF.

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>>34873108

>>34873317
>>34873329
>>34873108
Please stop shilling dude no one cares about the damn marines.

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>have some conspicuous scars that MEPS wanted clarification on
>no problem, submit doctors' notes from the time I fell off a bike
>wait a month
>MEPS says they want more information, go to a specialist who confirms they're just superficial and don't mean anything towards my health
>submit documents
>wait a month
>application sent back because my initial med read has expired, resubmit everything
>wait a month and a half until today
>get a call from the recruiter
>one of the pages is too faded, please resubmit
>whole process starts again, probably have to wait another month

Why is MEPS so fucking slow? There's literally nothing wrong with me and the documents make that perfectly clear.

>>34873463
This needs to be screen capped and added to teh OP template.
This si exactly why we tell you all to lie and to downplay everything as much as possible.
Government workers are insanely slow lazy and stupid.

>>34873500
I didn't tell them anything, they just saw them at MEPS and sent me home. I can't imagine how it is for guys who tell them they had bronchitis when they were 10.

>>34873266

Wish I did.

>>34873273

Eh, well they gave us a lot of info on that. The amount of ignorance and disinformation SO many privates had going into BCT was unreal, so any knowledge I can offer I see as a good thing.

We had a dude who legit thought every single soldier in Iraq, from 2003-today, was combat dropped in by parachute.

>>34873524
I beleive you im just saying. The government is nothing but red tape and faggots trying to cover their ass all damn day.

>>34873531
>Eh, well they gave us a lot of info on that
Can you just dump as much as you can?
I dont know enough to even know what to ask.

>>34873234
what do you mean by lax discipline wise? Can you describe an average day? What was an average workout like?

>>34873234
Was the AIT portion the physically demanding part? I have a contract to go directly into Army CID but I have to do 31B OSUT first. Apparently it's coed so I have no idea what to expect physically.

Second question. In the APFT, what are the appropriate resting positions for push-ups?

The physically demanding part of basic is never one single event, it's just being physically active every day for months when most people at that point in their lives never have been. It wears you down in a way that can't really be expressed when you say "yeah we had to run 4 miles" or "we rucked for three hours". Everything you do in basic is pretty easy if you're fit and well rested, but it sucks when you've been doing it for weeks with no end in sight.

Anyone in fort Rucker what's it like?

>>34873606

>what do you mean by lax discipline wise?

We had dudes just be total individuals, joke with drill sergeants, all sorts of stupid shit. It was just so much more relaxed than I expected. We had one guy openly say to a drill sergeant

>"Aw yeah okay Drilllllll Saaaaargent, I see how it is, lettin' ya own boys pass instead of me, uh huh...."

After he failed one of his fucking phase tests. One, the phases tests don't matter, and two, the drill sergeant was just like "Psh, dickhead, look I just failed my own guy."

To me, that was so unacceptable. The fact that a private could even joke like that and have that attitude with a drill sergeant on week 3 was ridiculous.

In addition, there was so much talking in formation, no one stood at attention, just a clusterfuck.

>Can you describe an average day?

No real average day.... well, I mean it would be like wake up, PT, go back to the bay, shower and shit, go to breakfast, eat, go back to the bay, get ready for whatever training was thagt day, get on the bus to the range or the field, traaaaaain eat lunch usually in the field or the range traaaain get on the buses back home, shower and shit, eat dinner, back to the bay for a few hours of personal time then lights out. Personal time means writing letters, naps, working out, whatever. You just can't leave the bay.

>What was an average workout like?

Stretch, push up drills, sit ups drills,or something that worked your core. Unless it was a running day.

>>34873616

AIT was the most and least physically demanding. Most of AIT for us infantry was in the field digging fucking holes all day or running lanes, not actually working out. Endless sweating, no showers, constant bug attacks. For a week at a time. I ave no idea what 31Bs do though.

>>34873547

Ranger - in the regiment, actually doing shit

Ranger School - anyone can go to it, totally seperate from RASP, which gets you into the regiment and makes you a Ranger.

SF - an entirely different beast from Rangers with a completely different mission.

>>34874393
I know that much, I meant like what was the offers like?
I meant how did it go? Some time during AIT did some guys from each come brief you guys and say only the top guys can try out for them? Did they offer any incentives? Did anyone from your group take them up on their offers?

Books you've read that have had an influence on your thoughts about joining?

I'm reading On Killing right now

>>34874517

Different anon here but we were offered Airborne/RASP or a chance to work with SF (not drop a packet) during AIT. Everything was set up via the AIT platoon sergeant. If you expressed interest and had good grades/PT you could lock in Airborne, for RASP and the SF program you had to attend a brief and do an interview.

There was very little interest across the board in my AIT. Most intel folks don't join for that crap, which is probably why SOF is always out there recruiting at the schoolhouses.

>>34874627
Oh very interesting. So what MOS were you since you werent infantry?

>>34874805

Intel analyst. I regretted not pursuing cool guy stuff a bit more when I was in AIT, but it ended up working out for the best. I got some great assignments on the strat side and wouldn't have had it any other way.

>>34874896
word

>>34874896

Are you 35F? I'm trying to get 35F, 35G, or 35N at the moment. Can you share anything about them? Is 35 series as neat as it seems?

>>34874966

I was a 35F for a while. 35-series is difficult to explain to someone that has never been a part of the IC. It's nothing like the movies, generally a lot more cerebral and slower-paced than the action packed scenes of a busy operations center you'll see in media. You'll probably work a job like that if you spend any time in intel, but the most satisfying stuff for me tends to be seeing a long-term product or project come to fruition. There's incredible potential for a motivated and intelligent young service member to make an impact on decisions from their local unit all the way up to the president. America will never know just how much of the global status quo is built on the hunches of early twenty-something analysts in the intelligence community.

Some people think it's the most boring field in the world and some people think it's the most exciting. It's just all up to the kind of person you are and where you derive satisfaction.

>>34873156
Congratulations man, are you the airborne linguist from last thread?

>>34875118

What are career prospects like? Warrant path, or green to gold viable? Looking to do 20 years.

>>34873234
What was your run time before and after OSUT?

>>34872918
Don't worry, I hate myself too
Seriously, I want out
I would be willing to pay someone to kill me just so I get out

>>34875166

Warrant is an attainable goal long-term if you enjoy the actual job. Most of the people in intel who end up going SNCO don't actually enjoy the intel side of things so they become managers.

I've also seen quite a few intel folks go green-to-gold, but they're usually ones who enlisted with degrees and wanted to make a career of it.

A far more common career path is to GTFO the military after 1-2 contracts and join the rest of the IC as a civilian though. Prospects are good if you prepare for your transition and know what you're doing when it comes to your work.

DON'T JOIN THE MILITARY GUYS. I'M COMPLETELY SERIOUS, I WAS ONCE IN THE DEP, BROWSING THESE THREADS, AND I THOUGHT EVERYTHING WAS GONNA BE AWESOME. TRUST ME JUST DON'T JOIN. THE BULLSHIT DOESN'T END AFTER BASIC. THE MILITARY ISN'T A PLACE FOR SMART PEOPLE. THERE IS NO ADVENTURE, MOST OF YOUR TIME WILL NOT BE SPENT DOING YOUR JOB NO MATTER WHAT YOU SIGN UP FOR, BEING HIGH SPEED OR HAVING A HIGH PT SCORE DOESN'T MAKE ANYTHING ANY LESS SHITTY. DON'T JOIN, DON'T DO THIS TO YOURSELF. NOTHING IS WORTH IT.

>>34873463
You're lucky, you're getting another chance to think this through. Don't join senpai.

>>34873234
Everything this guy said is pretty true desu

You think the bullshit is over now that you're out of basic but it's not. Just you fucking wait. Where are you getting stationed? Or are you reserve/guard?

>>34873266
That's gay, everyone who's that obsessed with themselves should just shoot themselves for fuck's sake.

>>34873273
You won't get to, stfu

>>34873606
You sit around and do nothing all day because they fucked up the training schedule and at night you overhear two guys having gay sex in the bathroom while you're on fireguard.

>>34873616
Have fun, 31B here, shit sucks. Have fun at Fort Lost in the Woods.

You'll find that doing Police work is awesome and that being in the army sucks. You should just be a civilian cop desu. What I'll do when I get out.

TL;DR Don't join boys

>>34875364
>You'll find that doing Police work is awesome and that being in the army sucks. You should just be a civilian cop desu. What I'll do when I get out
Oh so youre a borderline retard

>>34875385
If you're the person I said that to, you'll see, don't worry

If not, then you've probably never bee na cop or in the Army, so you should just stfu because you're trying to protect some self-justified bullshit to yourself you don't even know about

>>34875444
Already been in and out. using my gi bill without a care in the world. Would do it all again easily.
And I said that cause only low IQ idiots who cant be anything else would ever become a cop

>>34872919
Army 68W, there's no safety for failing PJ selection and there a lot more SOF opportunities in the army

>>34875481
Okay, so this is a little bit of a different scenario
Never said I was gonna make a career out of police work, now did I?
It's just what I have training in. I need a job while I go to school don't I?
So what's wrong with making a decent wage while I go to school? Do you just have something against that for some reason?
Clearly there's a need to go to school after getting out of the Army, otherwise you wouldn't be using your GI bill, so what do you have against me living comfortably while I use mine?

Also, get out of the fucking thread you fucking recruiter, fucking "ohhhh my gi bill is so fucking great"

>>34875364

Most difficult part of being junior enlisted is dealing with bitter motherfuckers like this, by far. They make a mildly shitty situation into a really shitty situation with their piss-poor attitudes.

>>34875545
You're being enough of a prick that people aren't likely to take you seriously even if you make a valid point.

>>34875549
The most difficult part is not shooting yourself

>>34875549

This. 12 hour days are nothing if you've got a good squad that has your back and is good at what they do. Best times I ever I had in the Army were working hard and doing crazy shit with a competent team.

Meanwhile, it only takes a couple guys with a toxic shitty outlook to make even a day at the beach miserable. You get paid solid money to stay in shape and be part of something that matters, what's there really to be upset about?

>>34875549
>>34875681
I'm the guy you guys are talking about being negative

desu I just need help. I've thought about killing myself every hour of every day for at least a month. I don't know what the fuck it is. I don't want to seek help because I'm scared I'll get chaptered out and won't be able to get a job because of it.

>>34875118
>>34875221
I figure you can't say much at all, but what is the day to day like as an intel analyst? When you talk about long term products/projects, what's the timeframe like? Do you work with other analysts most of the time or is each person generally assigned a certain task? Is there a degree of autonomy for lower enlisted or are you micromanaged?

>>34875364
>DON'T JOIN THE MILITARY GUYS. I'M COMPLETELY SERIOUS, I WAS ONCE IN THE DEP, BROWSING THESE THREADS, AND I THOUGHT EVERYTHING WAS GONNA BE AWESOME. TRUST ME JUST DON'T JOIN. THE BULLSHIT DOESN'T END AFTER BASIC. THE MILITARY ISN'T A PLACE FOR SMART PEOPLE. THERE IS NO ADVENTURE, MOST OF YOUR TIME WILL NOT BE SPENT DOING YOUR JOB NO MATTER WHAT YOU SIGN UP FOR, BEING HIGH SPEED OR HAVING A HIGH PT SCORE DOESN'T MAKE ANYTHING ANY LESS SHITTY. DON'T JOIN, DON'T DO THIS TO YOURSELF. NOTHING IS WORTH IT.
good thing im not smart

My recruiter is trying to convince me to become an Embassy Guard by being a MSG. What are the pro and cons of MSG?

>>34875545
>Also, get out of the fucking thread you fucking recruiter, fucking "ohhhh my gi bill is so fucking great"
This is possibly the dumbest thing ive ever seen posted here.

So let me get this straight.
Youre going to become a cop part time while you go to college than quit? Holy shit thats so stupid it has to be bait.
>>34875761
You were born a faggot. You have faggot blood. Nothing you can do about it.

>>34875761
you wont be able to get a job if youre dead either. get help, the army will take care of you.

>>34873347
you must be new to /k/ if you arent used to the posters pretending to be marines.

>>34875860
>calling me a faggot that many times
thanks senpai. Actually made me smile

>>34875364
>MP

No shit, your job is to fuck people over and pretend to be infantry every now and then. Not everyone wants to be a blue falcon. I was marine infantry, quite possibly one of the most miserable things you can do, or so they say and it wasn't bad at all. Too many weak suburban teens that cant handle being told simple tasks, get DUIs and trash hotel rooms and wonder why they cant be treated like adults. If your experience sucks its most likely because of you.

>>34875761

Bro, it's not based in logic. You've probably got a deep-seated chemical imbalance in your brain and should not have been allowed to join in the first place. This is why there's a screening process.

See doc, get brain meds/therapy, drive on.

>>34875364
As I said, I got selected to go to CIDSAC, college grad. I just need to do 31B OSUT as a pre-req. I wouldn't enlist just to do basic MP work personally.

So as it my question, how is their OSUT?

>>34875829
WEW

Pros
>youll go somewhere cool the last 2 years of it...maybe

cons
>youll go somewhere shit for the first 2 years
>you will pick up corporal in security forces and get sent to a line unit, to be in charge of guys who have actually been doing their jobs the entire time while you were making sure doors were locked and you will have zero respect from junior marines and NCOs alike. You will have to prove yourself to them.

>>34875791

>Day-today

Office job, usually. Shift work at a lot of places but not always. At its core, intel is 90% meetings, briefings, and sitting in front of a computer.

>Timeframe

If you're working at a tactical level your objective can change day-to-day. At higher echelons, you could literally spend an entire 4-5 year career becoming a subject matter expert in one area/technology/organization. Personally I find the projects somewhere in the middle the most satisfying. Spending 6 months working something for a big payoff is awesome, but I don't think I'd like to be pidgeonholed into one particular area of expertise forever.

>Teamwork

Depends where you're at, like everything else. Obviously intel is already split into a bunch of disciplines, but good teams always tend to have people that are good at different stuff even if everyone has the same core discipline.

>Autonomy

Also situation dependent. On one extreme you could be working an assembly line style shop where literally all you do is move stuff around on a powerpoint slide according to some rules they give you. On the far other end of the spectrum you could be told to build an entirely new product on your own with very little to go off of. I've been in both situations when I was junior enlisted and they both sucked for different reasons.

The sweet spot is in the middle. You want a shop that gives you the freedom to learn and innovate, but that also has good mentors who know what they're doing and can guide you along the right path. A lot of being a senior analyst is learning how to be that mentor to the junior analysts. You want to encourage them to be creative without letting them be stupid.

>enroll in caf tomorrow
yay

and the entire process was super easy, not I just got to focus on pushups since all other exercises are ez

>>34876049

Addendum: Seeing someone you've mentored absolutely crush it in a brief or make a connection that you weren't able to is one of the most professionally satisfying things in an IC career, along with providing intel that ends/saves lives.

>>34875987
Honestly, OSUT isn't bad
The hardest part, personally, was just being removed from the outside world for so long, but I was trying to maintain a relationship while I was doing it so this could be very different for you.

As you probably know, it's 19 weeks at Fort Leonard Wood, Missouri.
It's cold in the winter, and hot in the summer.The wind is blowing all the time, and it rains often and hard.
None of that really matters though. If you can't stand outside in summer PTs in below freezing temperature because the weather there is unpredictable, I got tough news for you.
But that's really still not bad. You start working out, warming up, it ain't shit.
The first 10 weeks are typical basic, and you get a little bullshit ceremony at the end. By the third or fourth weeks the drill sergeants have become chill as fuck, you aren't even scared of them. But that'll probably start to happen in the second week.
The last couple weeks of basic are gonna be mostly spent in the field, where you get to learn the very basics of infantry, but in reality you just look like a fucking idiot and you're shooting blanks at year olds in the woods for training purposes and digging a hole next to your tent like you're 8 again.
Then it's on to AIT! Where nothing changes despite what they'll tell you...This isn't even me being negative, for MP OSUT that's just how it is.
You mostly just sit in class and try really hard to stay awake. Some classes are easier to stay awake in, like when you're learning to assemble and dissamble weaponry with a timed test at the end, and others are easier to pass, like the law tests that are so easy literal retards could do it.
You'll spend a couple days shooting the m9, it's fun and easy.
You'll spend about a week and a half driving humvees around and eating MREs. It'll be the most pointless week and half of your time there.
And near the end you do the same thing but with cop cars and no MREs.
that's really it...easy and fun

>>34876191
I actually really appreciate that write up, b/c I haven't been able to find much info on that particular OSUT

thanks anon

>>34876049
>>34876106
Thanks for the reply, it helps a lot. I'm trying to decide between network intel and IT right now (not Army) and I assume the jobs vary between branches.

>>34876225
No problem man

>>34876001
My recruiter has been hyping the shit out of Embassy Guard and has been telling me if he could go back in time he'd become one. Guarding politicians and classified info while traveling to different countries every 2 years sounds fucking amazing but I know there's more bullshit to it than what he's telling me.

I originally wanted infantry. Will I get more out of my enlistment going into MSG?

>>34876353
If a new war breaks out, you will regret being a boring ass embassy guard. But if there is no war and you go infantry, you will spent your entire contract as a janitor.

Just gamble on whether you think there will be a war in the next few years

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I.... I can make an 18m 5k!! I just need to keep training.

Any current/former GMs here? Wondering about what daily life/work is like as one.

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>>34877140
>If a new war breaks out, you will regret being a boring ass embassy guard
If a new war breaks out they will happily reclassify people to the front lines.

ausfags pls

currently training to get cardio up to scratch.

going to apply for marine technician in the navy. might apply for an intelligence job like cryptologic systems or linguist for shits and giggles.

i just want good money, free medical, possible trade, and not have to keep living this damn rat race

For UK armed forces, are army or navy engineering officers more involved in the actual work as opposed to just overseeing ratings/soldiers and writing reports all day?

>>34876049
got any sense of how hard it is to avoid living in some part of the south/texas if you are 35-series?
how was the whole TS part, did anyone not get theirs in your class(?) they go through that while you guys are in AIT right?
thx for answering questions

>>34878703

Odds of being stationed in Texas and the South are high, just because that's where a lot of the major bases are. Intel has a lot of presence in the DC area too though.

As far as I know the only people in my class that didn't get their clearance were those that fucked it up during training.

>>34877140
>go infantry now and be a janitor or go Embassy Guard and guard shit on your ass or standing up

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How liberal is the Air Force with handing out asthma waviers

>>34872868
For the British Army: How perfect does your eyesight have to be? I've just found out my right eye is very slightly blurry at long distance, but my left eye compensates. Does this disqualify me?

How much does basic really break you down and reprogram you?

If I go infantry and there is no war going on what do I do all day? What does the average day look like, where will I likely be stationed etc

>>34879999
Not much

>>34880525
You will clean and work out all day. Maybe once in a blue moon you can take part in military exercises.
You will be stationed where they need more janitors

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>>34880736
lol
There is a country star named RaeLynn apparently (don't listen to that twangy shit) who is married to some normal joe who just enlisted in the Marines as infantry

pic relevant. She isn't married to no POG

>>34880729

Even in the Marines?

To the people who are/were in medical record hell.

How long did it take you to finally go to MEPs after all your medical record buulshit?

And to people who are still waiting, how long have you been waiting for?

>>34881064

The Marines do far less than the Army in that regard. At least the Army has money for training sometimes.

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>>34880932
wtf are you talking about

>>34881172
She thinks he's going to be a badass he's going to be a janitor

>>34881235
Shes some dumb woman who cares

>>34880736
So what's the point in enlisting then if I just clean shit and do PT all day?

>>34881606
first dibs on shooting dudes if a war breaks out
or actually shooting dudes and a lot less cleaning if you go ranger

>>34881628
>first dibs on shooting dudes if a war breaks out
If you are a fucking psycho I guess this matters

>>34881725
why go infantry if you didn't want to fight

>>34881737
If a serious war broke out and they needed the manpower you'd get to fight. Even if you couldn't reclass right away, there would probably be enough attrition to where you would get to if you really wanted to.

They take people into the infantry during peace time so they can do the shit details that nobody would enlist just to do.

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>>34872918
>>34872931
>>34875364
>>34875549
>>34875581
>>34875761
>>34875860

>>34881628
>>34881235
>>34880736

How true is this for other countries militaries (specifically Canada's)?

>>34879999
Nice quads

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Is it possible to get enlisted as an 11B in a month's time?

>>34882218
yes. If there are slots open, the Army tends to ship very quickly. Personally, I have a 11x Op 40 contract and I got that 5 weeks before my ship date.

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is there anyone who is in/out of the Coast Guard?

I'm definitely going to join but I I'm going to have a hard time deciding my rate

Could you share a little bit of info on your rate? like what do you hate/love about it

>>34882406
Was never in, can't answer that

But I dated a girl in SW Florida who was an E-3 in the Coast Guard and she had an extremely cushy life. BAH, spent all day at the beach. Made me jealous desu

>>34882391
Did you ship already? Did you make it past rasp?

>>34882448
Her name Danielle?

>>34882588
No lol, this was some time ago

>>34882165

Typically the US military gets more innashit than nearly anyone else in the world.

It's been a slow 7~ years for US infantry, but some countries have had the majority of their military forces literally guarding phone booths for 50+ years.

>>34882693
Which is why I don't understand why anybody would volunteer for peacetime infantry. That said we should stop discouraging people since somebody has to clean the shit out of bowls

>>34882751
High school cod kids will fill those slots up

I could use some input from some /k/ommandos.

I was in back in 06-08 as infantry before getting out to go to school.

I have since finished my degree and am wanting to re-enlist.

The two mos that I keep being intrigued by are 17C and 35P (Cyber warfare, cryptolinguist). Ive done a bunch of research on both and that research didnt help me any.

Anyone in either of those jobs who could give me some info on life in with those units/after wards?

tldr: 17C or 35P.

>>34878850
>fucked it up during training
nani? i thought it was mainly debt/foreign contacts/mayyyybe drugs? how could you do any of that during training?

>>34883103
I think he means they mouthed off to an instructor or something like that and got dropped.

>>34883103
>>34883161

DUIs and other drug/alcohol related incidents while in service will murder your clearance so fast your head will spin. They don't matter as much in your history if you disclose them, but having them in training is a whole different matter.

Unsurprisingly, dumbass teenagers away from home for the first time love to do dumb shit like this.

>>34882980
Why do you want to re enlist? Do you regret not enlisting the first time in those MOS you listed instead of infantry ?

>>34883342
I miss it, and using it as a stepping stone to a career. Also I still want to go to SFAS. I dont regret infantry at all. I just know its pretty slow as hell for infantry right now.

Id do 18x, but the local recruiter recently told me the age cut off for 18x right now is 30. I turn 30 in a month, dont think I could get there physically in a month.

The reason those 2 mos stick out to me is they interest me, and would be useful in the world outside of the military if I dont end up in it for 20.

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Since the Navy and Marines are like brother and sister, how radically different are the two branches?

I've heard that they're both extremely traditionalist in their views.

>>34883383
Thanks for answering and good luck

>>34883383
What exactly do you miss about military life?

>>34883634
A ton of things I couldnt quite pin down. The few that I can:
>Constant challenge
>Constant learning
>Merit based society/hard workers usually rise to the top (exceptions obviously).
>sense of belonging
>etc etc etc

I know people have horror stories but even my horror stories are more like "its hilarious how bad this is and i still love it" stockholmed like a mofo I guess. Also different stations, units, job types etc etc.

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should i join the AF at 35/36? non-officer, i have 2 degrees and really good career prospects as a civilian. i want to help fuck up ISIS in either intel, cyber warfare, or gain some more comp sec skills in any of the cyber positions.

Anyone know how unlikely it would be for someone to get into any of the armed forces who had been probably misdiagnosed with mild asthma as a child, and saw a PO for depression for a few months when he was 19, and 23 now?

>>34884033
Very easy so long as you dont mention any of that. They wont find out.
>>34883891
We cant tell you what to do lad. If you want it go for it. With that being said AF is lame join either army or navy.

>>34883747
>>34883383
How hard is it to go back in with an 18x contract? Is that pretty much open to anyone?

How often are PT runs at Marine Bootcamp?

>>34883891
why not officer? you want to do smart stuff, why not run the smart stuff yourself since you prob are qualified w/ 2 degrees?
i'd be interesting to hear people speak to getting through some of the bullshit at older ages (not having own room, such reduced freedoms, PT stuff etc)
>>34884093
prob thinking AF because the max age is 35 for army and navy is even lower.

>>34884093
What makes AF lame compared to other branches?

>>34884093
It's in my medical history though, and don't I have to provide that?

>>34884194

No you provide them with NOTHING. You have never been to a doctor in your life. They perform a physical on you at MEPs. That will be the first medical checkup you have ever received. Unless you have some obvious condition that needs to be explained.

>>34882980

17C is still the new hotness and will have much better civilian prospects.

>>34884033

Childhood asthma is not a disqualifying factor for the military. They only care if you still had it later in life.

Depression depends on what you saw the person for and whether you need to be on meds. If you don't need meds and there was no significant diagnosis you're usually good to go.

>>34884180
>prob thinking AF because the max age is 35 for army and navy is even lower
bummer
>>34884182
This gets explained all the time. They are the softest branch by far so its filled with women and sjw types. It literally is the easiest branch to be in and the most comfortable and thats bad because no one gets out so advancement is slow as fuck compared to the other branches. Young branch so no tradition.
>>34884194
You dont have to do shit. Lie. They wont ever know. Some anaon above posted about how much of a hassle it is to get them to clear you once you open your mouth. Easily adds 6 months of bullshit onto your ship time.

>>34884107
18x is often one of the only contracts available for prior service

>>34884279
Thats what I thought but i heard a rumor a while ago they wouldnt take people E-5 or above prior service same for cross branchers.. Maybe youd just have to get busted town to E-4?

>>34884180
Max age by federal law to commission is the day before you turn 35. I don't think prior service can change this for active duty.

>>34873156
Yo, I'm trying to enlist to be cryptological linguistics. Are you allowed to pick which language you get?

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whats a /comfy/ mos in the corp?

>>34882980
You should be able to get 18x so long as you sign the contract before you turn.

>>34884180
>>34884271
max age for army is 42

as far as i have seen, all officer commissions are either cap at my current age and/or require an active duty commitment. i could probably get an age waiver for an easy MOS, but i really don't want it other than to make my life easier.

i have a pretty solid civ career, so i am not really looking to give that up or rock that boat in any major way. i make solid enough money, and am using it to pay off existing school loans. i also don't know if i will like the military, so i dont want to enlist and be forced to be in it for a long time.

i think the worst part about going in at an older age is going to be the other idiots in boot camp. 18-23 year old fuck ups with no life experience, something to prove, and think they know it all.

also, navy was always my first choice, i just don't think i can make any of the rates work for me. the only think i like is CTN, and that puts me in DC at ft meade. with the AF i think there is so much more opportunity with careers. you have drone ilot stuff, intel, and all of the cyber jobs.

>>34884323
navy told me they give age waivers for this on a case by case basis, i could probably get one, i just dont think i want it.

>>34884657
A service can't waive federal law. That said, I've honestly attempted to find out how it works exactly and it's confusing. You need to be able to do 20 years of "commissioned" service according to law, so I'm pretty sure prior service doesn't help. Again, not sure.

>>34882980
i have been looking at CTN/17C/1BX for the airforce, do some googling on those rates and read the reddit threads. there is a lot of info by people actually in those MOSs to provide a lot more details about the school and the daily life.

the schoolhouse is the navy one in Florida, and is called the JCAC. you basically get 6mo bootcamp on computer security, networking, linux, and penetration testing if i have my info correct. a lot of people talking about this stuff are still not computer people and don't actually give specifics. ie: people being accepted with BA degrees in fine arts with good ASVAB scores.

the AF has an identical rate, and i was looking to do that job with them. i heard the army is looking to take that MOS into their own hands (outside of ft meade) and just work people 12 hours a day since they have you on an active contract. also that MOS is young in the army, and people don't have their shit together with the program yet.

that said, you can easily roll through a BS degree in IT and get a job with computer security after getting out. 10/10 career for the future.

>>34884640
>the only think i like is CTN, and that puts me in DC at ft meade
what?

>>34884728
the only rate i like for the navy (other than SWO which i will never get) is CTN, and the primary location for that job is at ft meade.

>>34884741
Is that a bad thing?

>>34884753
cost of living, and i only want to do reserves

>>34884774
>cost of living
you know they give you money for that right?
>i only want to do reserves
Dude thats gay. Dont even join if thats the case.

>>34884802
im not going enlisted so i dont get BAH

i want to fuck some terrorists up and fight for my country, but i'd like to not give up my high paying job as a software engineer to make $18,000/yr and have some mentally retarded 22yo boss me around.

>>34884830
>im not going enlisted so i dont get BAH
Officers get BAH dude.
>high paying job as a software engineer
nice though, whats your degree in? How much money do you make just curious?

>>34884874
not going officer, they have active requirements iirc and the CTN officer position some dude said he was selected as 1 out of 7 from 1000+ applicants.

have two BS, one is in compsci, over 70

>>34884996
Wait so youre going reserves. that means you are enlisting. Also if youre a reservist I doubt youd have to live there dude.
Wahts second BS in? Good for you either way. Did you earn them at the same time?

>>34884996
Not saying your plan is bad. Far from it -- it seems like you know what you want to do. Only caveat I'd make is to look deeper into Actives vs Reserves. I can tell you from experience that Reservists, while not bad people, are mediocre at their jobs and are less-respected than their active counterparts. Also, you're not going to be getting the military experience while in the Reserves, so those bonds and lifetime friends you're making will be minimal.

>>34885081
i should care about that stuff, but i dont. if i didnt make good money now or was younger (and am the person that i am now) i would 100% go active without a doubt and be really happy about it.

i just know that i would be throwing my career away (and money) to join the military for friends, and experience i don't need to get a good job (which i already have).

the only way i see it is, i can 1) try to make this work for me with my current life and try to use my skills to help my country, or 2) do nothing like most people and be a faggot like everyone else who just sits around, gets fat, talks about sports, and bitches about their life while making no changes

>>34885051
i just hear enlist and think active duty, i never really made the distinction between enlist (active/reserve) and commission (officer)

chemistry, did that first, then went back for CS so i could get a job. that is when i should have just went in as active duty and went back to school while being in

>>34885284
You will do well either way. I think you've got a great plan.

>>34884107
This.
>>34884279


SF is criminally understaffed. They will always take 18x no matter who you are.

>>34884304
The way 18x pipeline works is you enter in as an E-4. Once you get selected and finish SFQC you are auto promoted to E-5. Quickest way to hit e-5 in the army for the most part.

>>34884392
Nope. Depending on your DLAB score you are needs of the army. However they take some interest into the equation.

>>34885332
thanks, i just cant decide if i want/should do more computer stuff, or switch it up with intel/UAV shit, or just shitbag it with finance or something else (that finance school is like 57 days)

Best way to study for the asvab?

>>34884996

>70k/yr as a software engineer

Dude, you're underpaid as fuck unless you live in bumfuck nowhere. I was making out better than that as enlisted military when I had a family.

>>34885614
ok

>>34885832
no that's real as fuck, that's so little money

>>34873108
>PEQ 2
>M203
2005 called.

>>34873234
Company?

>>34885614
How were you making more than 70k in the military?

>inb4 ossifer.

>>34877318
Wow my legs hurt...

>>34886053
not that anon but gonna guess

Salary+BAH+BAS+Dependants+some rank+some years in service, etc

Shit adds up

>>34881109
>>34881109
>>34881109
No one else in medical record hell?

>>34873616
I just graduated 31B MP OSUT, so I can answer pretty much any questions about that training.

Basic day for most of the MP companies was 0430 wakeup, 0500 first formation, PT until a bit after 0600, breakfast chow, go back to company, change into OCPs, and during basic proceed to whatever training we had for the day, and during AIT they would march us over to Stem Village (MP School) where we would sniff hand sanitizer/rub muscle rub on our faces to stay awake thru incredibly boring classes all day.

Have fucking fun man. Also MPs are major fucking snitches so you can count on ya battlebuddies to run to Drill Sgt about every little thing. It was a miserable 20 weeks.

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USAR 12R/12N E4 (Will be E5 next month) here /r/ing deployment, anyone know of any slots?

I previously came back from one in March but I can't find a good job so I want to go again

Will memespout on the jobsite if you want

>>34887547
I'm also USAR, how long did it take you to (almost) make E5? I'm promoting to E3 in a couple months.

Also how do deployments work? Can I volunteer for them? My unit is up for deployment to Africa in January and if I like the deployment I'm down to head out on more.

>>34887572

>I'm also USAR, how long did it take you to (almost) make E5? I'm promoting to E3 in a couple months.
I just hit my 3 years in July and put my packet in August, by the end of this year I should be an E5 considering I have a metric fuckload of points and a combat deployment. Start thinking E5 in the reserves at no earlier than year 3 from the time of enlistment

>Also how do deployments work? Can I volunteer for them? My unit is up for deployment to Africa in January and if I like the deployment I'm down to head out on more.
I volunteered for mine but the OPs NCO is literally my older brother so I couldn't tell you how it works without nepotism, but you definitely can volunteer for them, I don't know how hard it would be with whatever your MOS is. Engineers deploy all the time so it's really easy for me.

I would KILL to go to Africa. I went to Kuwait, Afghanistan, Iraq, and UAE and UAE was a fucking blast but otherwise it was all really boring. If you're going somewhere where there's no fighting like Kuwait, you're gonna be twiddling your thumbs most of the time. Deployments are only as bad as your leadership IMO

Why the hell does the air force only get 1 minute for sit ups and push ups, but the army gets 2 minutes?

I thought air force was easier?

Is the Navy over-saturated with Japanese speakers? I'm learning Japanese now and am thinking about enlisting as an officer but I get the feeling they have a lot of 2nd or 3rd generation immigrants that can speak the language a lot better.

>>34887633

I'd shit on the Air Force PT test

How can having a senator in your corner help you with your officer career?

>>34887859
Letters of recommendation.

Who gets the most flight time? I want to join to fly, and I'd be happy in either helos or jets, so the only question is time. Naval aviators on carriers? Army WOs deployed to the middle east? AF guys doing whatever?

>>34886053

Easier than you think as enlisted if you're actually adding up the value of the bennies. Tax free allowances and no cost healthcare go a long way.

>>34887633
both basic requirements should be literal jokes. Men have 13 minutes to run 1.5 miles, that's fucking pathetic.

>>34886442
"all that money" and he needs kids and a dependa to do it. i'd rather have my salary and be single as fuck.

>>34888644
>>34888695
also, that number is just cash in my pocket, i didn't count 401k matching or other benefits.

>>34888616
Bump for interest

>>34886053
>>34886442
>>34888644

Yup. Here's some of my numbers w/a family.

E-6 w/6 years - About $37,200 base pay.
Food/housing/clothing allowances (local) - Another $22,100~ untaxed on top of base.

Except when we're talking about salaries at this level we're firmly in the 25 % tax bracket, which means you have to make 25 % more normiebux in order to match those untaxed freedombux. That means the real value of those untaxed dollars is more like 28,200~. Don't even get me started on having to pay state taxes once you get out.

Now factor in the value of healthcare. The insurance plan I pay for on the outside is $550~/mo, and then if I actually want to use it I have to pay more.

I just got out but if I thought I could only make 70k on the outside I would have just stayed in. I make right around 90k on the dot now, and my take-home pay barely went up at all from being in the Army.

>>34873347
I care

>>34888700

Sorry man, 70k is dogshit for a SWE. The entire point of going into programming is so you can be making $150k+ by the time you hit 30.

>>34873463
I'm going to burn off tattoos on my hands how do I pass meps

>>34888695

>No kids
>Wife makes money

Try again. Having a family doesn't mean having a money pit.

Ok fellas here's a good brain buster. Say I go 0311, how do I get into combat? I don't wanna join to not fight, that's just fuckin gay

>>34888765
Special ops

>>34888737
you obviously know nothing about the industry, and have a lot of unrealistic expectations from television and movies.

ie google pays $123,000/yr in SF (high cost of living)

t. has friends working there

>>34883412
Navy's gay
'Reens are rah as fuck

>>34888793

>Not realizing a large portion of Google comp is in RSUs.

And you say I know nothing about the industry.

Whatever you gotta tell yourself to justify being underpaid though. I hope you don't have student loans.

>>34887547
not sure where you are but ibew in bay area would have you swimming in cash. i run into people from TN, GA, VA etc traveling out for work all the time.
>>34888793
70k is really low unless you are living in some armpit 0 cost of living area i guess.
t. born and raised in san francisco

Batt boy here to answer any question about option 40 contracts or anything related.

>>34888955
How much weight do you carry when ruck marching ? how much shooting training do you do? How much free time do you have?

>did a walk in with a recruiter a week ago
>leave it with him that I'm going to check with my doctor about a few medical things and come back at a later date

should I just walk in again or call?

>>34888955
Proof fag

>>34888723
>>34888616
>>34887719
Any info on this?

>>34889478
Jets on carriers fly every day basically during deployement. But becoming a jet guy is fucking tough. IF you want a far easier route join the army as a warrant and fly helos.
>>34889368
Doesnt matter but youve already shot your own foot by bringing up medical shit.

>>34889495
alight, but which would be "better"/recommended? also none of the medical stuff was DQ-worthy,

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Do enlisted personnel who decide to go officer get waivers for things like age? Looking to fly but I might be too old by the time I go officer, if I enlist first.

>>34889545
Yes.

>>34889531
>also none of the medical stuff was DQ-worthy
shouldnt of even brought it up then
>but which would be "better"/recommended?
Apples and oranges dude. Plus im not you so i dont know what "better" would be for you. With that being said ive never heard anything bad about the army warrant program. Some pilot was in a thread a while back and he said its pretty great and easy going once you make it through the pipeline.

>>34889632
oh no I was talking about which would be better calling first or just walking in again

>>34888731
What about state taxes exactly?

>>34889545
Try to get to OTS asap then because it'll be harder to be a pilot as you get older.

>>34889545
What branch? Fixed wing or rotary?

>>34889656
oh dude its a completely irrelevant detail. Why are you stressing? They arent going to hate you if you call relax

>>34889659

Many servicemembers don't pay state taxes because a lot of states either don't charge them at all or don't charge them to Military residents not currently living in the state.

When I got out I immediately started paying 6%~ state taxes I didn't have to pay when I was in. Shaved about $5k off the "raise" I thought I was getting.

>>34889686
Airforce, fixed. I don't have a dream of being a hot shot fighter pilot, I'll fly anything fixed wing.

>>34889818
Oh ok, thought you meant you had to pay state taxes when in

>>34889592
How attainable are they?

should I go for Intel in the corp?

>>34883891
if your self description was true, you would be smart enough to not ask for career advice on anon forums....

>>34890096

>Intel in the Corp

My gut says probably not, unless you're going for the new(ish) CI/HUMINT program which requires you to make NCO to be eligible to try out.

>>34889818
OH shit I had no idea you had to pay a shit load of state taxes when you get out of the military. Fuck that.

>>34888997
Ruck march standard for forced marches is 35lb with no water. Depends if during the training cycle or recovery cycle, I'm a gun guy and I'm satisfied by how much I go to the range. I get a lot of free time, a normal day I go into work at 6:30 and get off from 2:00 to 3:00, this always changes when you're doing late night training and going places though.

>>34890266

It's not specifically for getting out, that's just what state taxes are when you make good money. You get used to not paying much taxes in the military because you avoid so much.

Dumb question but I'm curious, are marine raiders somewhere in between navy seals and army sf?

>>34890782

Nobody that is actually in the military talks about SOF elements like this. They do different shit for different reasons.

When you start talking about ranking them in tiers and comparing apples to oranges everyone is just going to assume you're in High School.

Is there any way to guarantee I myself a place guarding nukes in bumfuck nowhere

>>34890852
>Nobody that is actually in the military talks about SOF elements like this.

That certainly doesn't extend to Air Force. One of my coworkers was stalwart in his belief that SEALs are the best, followed by Rangers, then SF, then PJs and CCT which he said were "easy". I asked him about Raiders and he didn't even know what they were.

>>34890891

>PJ and CCT easy
>doesn't know what Raiders are
>Compares Rangers to SF on a sliding scale
>SEALs "best"

There are some stupid fucks out there with opinions huh?

>>34890891
>That certainly doesn't extend to Air Force. One of my coworkers
Again the airforce shows how much of a joke they are.

>>34891004

>this faggot again

I'm sorry your ASVAB score was shitty dude.

>>34891004
t. muhreen

>>34891004
>>34891043
What is the airforce particularly good at?

>>34891123
saving the army every time they cry for help because one goat fucker on a hill has stopped them for 2 hours

What's the most cushy electric job in the Army?
Or something that'd transfer great afterwards.

I was qualified from every electric job in the AF, but decided to go Army cause AF was dicking me around.

>>34891043
got a 95, your joke also doesnt make any sense considering the navy NUKE has the higehst asvab requirements of any job in the mil.
>>34891072
navy
>>34891123
their SARC program is incredible and very very valuable to AF morale

>>34890256
what should i go for if i wanna be /comfy/ and learn a skill to use when i discharge

>>34890852
I'm not in high school but I am not in the military, which is why I said it was a stupid question. Also, I wasn't trying to rank them on a biggest badass scale or anything like that. I just want to know how the modern raiders are distinct since they are new and forming an identity (to my knowledge). I compared them to seals and sf since in my mind they seemed the most similar given their backgrounds. Sorry if I mischaracterized anything.

Is a 67 on the asvab shit?

>>34891754
yes, you may as well be a muhreen

>>34888955
How easy was it for you to get the op 40 contract? I had my first talk with a recruiter today and he told me it's going to be difficult to get one because they come randomly and go quickly. I thought there would be a wait list I could get on for one but he told me there wasn't one.

>>34891764
>>34891764
But my GT score is 100. That isn't too bad right?

>>34891848

It's too low to get into SOF and some of the more technical jobs, but it's fine for most stuff.

19D > 11B

this is a fact

I scored 115 on my clerical score. What are some good jobs in the Army or Marines that will translate well for when I get out of the military?

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whats a /comfy/ job in the corp. scored 88 on asvab

>>34891904
Intelligence.

>>34892435
crew chief, tanker

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>>34872868
>SARC isn't just the Air Force try not to rape people briefiers and SJW cunts

Well fuck me, now I hate them even more. Stealing those poor Navyfags' acronym.
Shame

>>34892435
>in the corp
nothing

>>34879321
No
>No
>>>/No/

Got DQed from an airborne slot because I can't pop my ears. Is there any way tot rain myself to be able to do it?

>>34892754
Chew some gum?

>>34892501
crew chief for heli?

>>34892903
in general its nice

>>34891904
almost every army MOS that requires clerical is like 1:1 to a civilian job.
I see gas supply spec and transport management. automated logistics and unit supply as not having them but I could just be unaware of the strange careers people have.
for real, what do you want to do after the military? the CL stuff is pretty self explanatory seems to me.
As to which ones translate best for a given field/career no fucking clue. But it'd probably help you getting answers if you narrowed down if you are most interested in HR/Law/CPA/Medical/Finance etc

>>34893163
oh i realized i really need to add on to this, will you be able to get a 4yr degree? do you want to? some stuff will not translate if you aren't going to do that so you need to be honest with yourself based on how you did/enjoyed HS I suppose.

>>34893163
>for real, what do you want to do after the military?
I have absolutely no idea what the hell I want to do with myself. That's why I'm joining the military. I don't have direction.

>do you want to?

I plan on getting a degree in something because to survive in the world you need a degree, but I don't in what.

I just want to know what will give me a good skill that I can use after the military so I could use the skill as a default for when I get out.

>>34893419
safety mgmt is a good field to get a degree in i think. they ensure workplaces are up to code/standards. most people i know with those degrees make a solid amount of money right out of school, i am not sure if any army rates translate well for that.

>>34893128
what mos is that

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>>34872868
Navy or Air Force, faggots?

I can't trust the recruiters.

So I'm set to graduate in December and it looks like I'm not going to make the cut for PA school in my state. I really don't know what the fuck to do, but I have genuine interest in medicine, so my contingency plan was to get my training through the military.

Anyone else go through something similar? Asking because
>Medical Edition
What kind of plans do they have for people who don't have their practicing license? USUHS?

>>34893882
which ever one you like more

>>34893882
What mos/rate are you going for? If you wanna travel then navy is better for that

>>34893789
General is a rank

>>34893955
>>34893971
Goal is Biomed but my scores don't reflect that. Traveling is ideal.

I need some legitimate advice. I'm 23, under a single-parent household, and school is very expensive. I've tried constantly to get scholarships to no avail, and I've had to pay out of pocket for my Associate's.

My father is a Navy vet and hated his time in the military and keeps saying "stay in school, get your degree!" but he doesn't understand just how much that costs. To top it off, loans are more dangerous than ever. So I really need the military tuition assistance, especially since I want to get my Master's.

How do I tell my father that I need to enlist without fracturing our relationship? He's extremely stubborn and thinks that, because he joined as a stupid 18 year old, that it's a waste of time.

Any advice is appreciated.

>>34894339
Just dont tell him. Once you join you wont be living with him anymore so it's not a problem

>>34894367
Oh, no. I'm living with my mother. I haven't seen him in like 8 months.

>>34894339
Why don't you tell your daddy to pay for school then? Or be a fucking adult and make your own choices.

>>34883747
> TFW Now it's asskissing turds rise to the top
It's changed, anon.

>>34893993
>Biomed
??????????

>>34894401
>Oh, no. I'm living with my mother. I haven't seen him in like 8 months.
tell him to eat a dick then
>>34894339
choose a good rate and youll be fine

>>34893934
if im not mistaken, you have to be accepted to a PA school on your own, then the military will let you in as a medical officer. USUHS is the same process as applying to a civilian school pretty much.

>>34891232
>>34891232
>>34891232
What are some comfy Army jobs?
/
What can I do to get paid to go to school?

>>34895453
88M

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As former members of the US military, how would you improve the military in terms of efficiency and effectiveness?

>>34895477
>MOTOR TRANSPORT OPERATOR
>Operate all wheel vehicles and equipment over varied terrain and roadways
That doesn't sound very comfy. Sounds like being a truck driver.

>>34882576
nah, I'm still 2.5 weeks out.

>>34884432
intel
or something aviation

>>34888765
0321 and after 3 years MARSOC

>>34895620
Is being a pilot comfy?

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>>34894696
It sucks, because I love my father, and I want him to be proud of what I'm going to do. I want to be leaving for boot camp knowing everyone is cheering me on and wishing me well. The last thing I want is that black cloud hanging over my head.

>>34895730
all the pilots I've talked to seem to think so
though if you wanna fly helis you need to be an officer

>>34895543
Ban women plain and simple.

>>34895554
Are you implying that trucking isnt one of the coziest jobs on the planet

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>>34895741
Listen and lsiten well. The only people who hate the mil are ones who got screwed over because of their own stupidity. Chacnes are your dumb father had a shitty rate that he hated cause he was dumb and didnt choose a good one. He also probably has no idea how good the mil is now by comparison or about the gi bill.
Basically make sure you choose a good rate and then educate your father about the gi bill.

>>34895802
Thanks man. I appreciate the input. The kicker is that he's going to be extremely fucking proud at graduation but he's the kind of fucking guy who can't see the forest from the trees. Guy is a whizz, as book-smart as the day is long, but he has no concept of how to get around the head games.

>>34895829
>who can't see the forest from the trees
its for the trees you clown.
Why do you hype your dad so much and he hasnt even seen you in over half a year? Seems like a piece of shit to me.

>>34895876
>Why do you hype your dad so much and he hasnt even seen you in over half a year?

He was recently laid off and has been doing contract work all around the United States. Pays well enough, but it's constant travel.

>>34895543

I'd stop pretending that the military is an organization for fighting. Fostering the warrior mentality makes is inefficient and ineffective at carrying out the mission of the military in the modern day.

Basically obliterate what teenagers thing is cool in the military and civilianize the fuck out of it. It's already 70 % office work anyways.

>>34895741
>>34895802
Your dad is also an idiot (no offense) in the sense that he is telling you how to live your life based on his false perceptions. Yes, in decades past you can go to college and get a good job. Yes, the military used to not be the best for career building.

Now, you get treated like a worthless expendable nig out of college. Military is the easiest way to get some work experience, and get some hiring preference, depending. Your dad needs to understand it isn't 1975 anymore.

>>34895896
well either way ignore his ass if you have to.
Like I said choose a good rate.
Any ideas?
>>34895942
correct

>>34895942
>Your dad needs to understand it isn't 1975 anymore.

Funny enough, that was actually the year he enlisted.

>>34895787
I really hate driving places, so I don't think trucking would be for me.

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Any recruiters, MEPS workers on tonight? I may have fucked myself over and need some advice

>>34896519
just say your problem dude

hey guys looking at joining the army core of engineers, any advice?
Im thinking of going to an engineering college with a great nuclear program and joining ROTC and gettiing in as a nco or some such.. advice?

>>34896519
>Went into recruitment office blind and didn't know what I was doing
>On pre screen questions answered some questions I now know I shouldn't have
>Got medical documents as requested for problems
>Sent down to MEPS
>Took PICAT, scored really well
>Was supposed to be sworn in tomorrow
>MEPS turned down medical documents, need more
>Now stuck because MEPS is asking for more medical documents than I've already given them and all I can find makes reference to other medical issues that are not as issue and I don't want them to have
What do?

>>34872868
Do you think I ruined my chance in joining the military by going through the enlistment section on the official air force website like 6 times because it never seemed liked it worked? I haven't heard anything in months and I am worried.

>>34896574
You have 3 options, give them the documents and open up another box of worms, say you cant find the documents and spend months getting examined at meps most likely, scan those documents and "edit" out the references.

>>34896772
Recruiter says that if I can't find the documents, he will go over to the hospital and look himself. Can he actually do that? Is it okay to edit out the other stuff since they never asked for it?

I smoked pot for almost 7 months every single day. Do they hair test for that shit? Because I've now been clean for three months and I am looking to become a better person but I told the recruiter I never have smoked before because I was nervous and this is my one shot.

Interested in the air force for reference.

>>34896772
Would starting over from. Scratch with a new recruitment office be an option after sending docs to MEPS?

Is it possible to be high speed in any way if I am medically disqualified from Airborne school? As far as I know that eliminates every SOF unit.

I figure the best I can do is be a leg 11B, have a perfect PFT and try to get a Ranger School slot eventually, and some other schools.

I wanted to be airborne 11B, go to Ranger Regiment or Special Forces but all of those are forever impossible now.

>>34897285
What makes you medically disqualified?

so i enlisted to the US Airforce and took the oath about a month ago but i still dont have a ship off date. my recruiter told me it could be between next month or 3 from now. someone from inside MEPS told me that they might wait till their annual quota closes on september then i'll get my ship off date.

my question is how likely is it that i dont have to wait longer than maybe say 6 months to ship out to basic? the anticipation is killing me

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I hate Muslims. With a passion. I hate every single thing about their stone age, backwards way of life. I hate how they use children as bricks of C4 and I hate the way they treat their women.

What branch do I join to put the most Muslims possible into the ground so that the world becomes a better place?

>>34897314
My ears won't pop when I blow into my nose

>>34897458
Army Priest

>>34897479
Spreading the word of God: one 5.56 round at a time.

>>34897458
Air force, go Aerial Gunner

Do the Marines do age waivers?

So how does the military look into past health records? I made an attempt on my life when I was an angsty 18 year old going through a really shitty time in my life. Now 23 and I have lost nearly 100lbs just to join. I really want to prove how dedicated I am but I know there is a chance this is going to bite me on the ass here.

>>34896550
It's called a corps, not core. Also you can't join the military as an NCO, but ROTC would potentially get you in as an officer with a degree. Why would you join the military after graduating with a degree in a nuclear program? To have loans repaid, or for personal reasons?

>>34897569
As with every question like this: is there a record of it? Were you taken in an ambulance and admitted to a hospital, or did you see any kind of mental health counselor?

>>34897612
Well. Yes to all of that. Fucking hell. I don't even know how to go about finding that. Would it be better to just say it never happened?

>>34897661
How old are you now? Assuming this happened in the past 3 years, and also assuming they diagnosed you with suicidal depression? Any scars or obvious signs of it? Just lay it out man, it's an anonymous imageboard and you can get decent advice if you tell the story.

>>34897709
I am 23. It happened when I was 18 so about 5 years ago. I instantly regret it. Through the whole process of going to the hospital I said it was a mistake. I changed my life that day and have been building to this ever since.

Basically, found out drunk dad raped brother, tried to go into a poly relationship with a trap and the love of my life. Got cucked. Got a really tedious factory job. Mother put such insane pressure on going to college while doing everything else in life. Plus I was very fucking poor. So yeah that sucked.

I did end up in a mental ward but I was let out really early because it was clear I recognized the error of my ways.

Everything I read online is to just say I have been the picture perfect avatar of health and that they don't know anything that I don't tell them.

I want to do this more than anything man. I want to provide for my wife. I want to secure a future for the ones I love in a sense. I actually believe this is the most important chance in my life. I want to do a full 20 years and I want them to know I will do anything. I have an indomitable will after all my experiences.

>>34897789
>tried to go into a poly relationship with a trap and the love of my life
>I want to provide for my wife

alright what the fuck is going on here

>>34897846
sorry, I meant
I want to provide for my wife(male)

>>34897846
after years of indoctrination of gay shit on /v/ I became such a terrible hedonist. We were high school sweet hearts and are still together to this day. We have a very dark mark in our history together now that will always be a tragic and terrible idea. But we carry on together and have only fallen more for each other.

We got married a month ago finally after 8 years and all the hell in between. I want to provide for her because I have fucked up so bad every step of the way from before.

>>34897854
Is s/he actaully passable?

>>34897854
If you get into the military, don't bring that up with other people. Seriously, it won't end well.

As for all of the other stuff you've said, it's pretty much going to be an instant DQ if the military learns about the attempted suicide and the mental ward especially. But from what i gather,MEPS can't just produce your medical records out of thin air. Seeing as how this shit happened 5 years ago, i wouldnt bring any of this up with MEPS if you want to join.

I will say that there is a reason the military doesn't let suicidal people in, so take a step back and really think if this is something you want to do.

>>34897789
That's pretty horrifying anon, glad you're alright now. I went through similar things minus the rape and suicide attempt. I wasn't trying to discourage you from joining but you do have to be realistic about what they consider disqualifying. If they see scars on your forearms, legs, or neck they're going to interrogate you for answers and try to get records from hospitals where you grew up. Best case scenario: you talk to a recruiter and spill your guts (not literally) about everything you just posted due to the traumatic home life and emphasize the last part about having a new outlook on life immediately after your hospital stay. You ask about a waiver and then talk to a psychologist (preferably the original one) about how your life changed and you're mentally stable now. Unfortunately the chances of this are slim to none because you attempted suicide and were involuntarily committed to an institution. The military just isn't one of those places that gives second chances, even for things you did a long time ago and changed after.

>tl;dr
Call up the hospital and the mental ward and try to contact the original doctors and psychiatrists involved. Find out what they can tell you about your health records and their availability, and also any police reports that were filed because of a suicide attempt. Anything they find at MEPS they will probably check out and you'll be permanently DQ'd. If you need a clearance and the investigator finds something off about your records, they might find the medical records and that can get you jail time for false enlistment since you knowingly hid medical history. It's great you want to do 20 years but it's still very early in the process and you don't know if you'll be able to join at all.

>>34897880
>>34897887

They were not the original poster. Also yeah. Pretty passable body wise but that man jaw will always haunt me.

>>34897887
Anyways I completely understand. I would never bring this up. Ever. But you know that whole anonymous image board thing kinda got it out of me. I believe I have the perfect work ethic to join. I want to do this more than anything. After all I have lost 100lbs just to do it.

>>34897923
To be fair it was a really dumb attempt. I downed a bottle of some headache meds man. A really dumb spur of the moment bitch move kind of thing with no lasting scars. Anyways thank you for the advice and information. I didn't know where else to turn with this.

>>34897961
Alright, so we don't have any visible scars, which is good. like the other anon said, contact the hospital and ward in which you stayed and ask about the availability of the records. Find out if there are any police reports regarding your suicide attempt.

>>34897990
Okay. Thank you. That would be good I suppose.

>>34898001
from what i know, the police record will be the main problem. HIPAA and doctor-patient confidentiality locks up a good bit of your medical history. but if it's all tied to a police report/evidence, that's when things can go downhill.

>>34897961
Good thing no one here knows who you are. If you truly have an indomitable will after everything you've been through, then you'll be able to get through the process since there are no physical signs. Definitely call any hospital/clinic/ward you had to go to and find out what you can. Then find out about any stealth diagnoses they may have put you down for. Then find out if they reported it to the police (protip: 99% chance they did) and which departments have those records. After you've exhaustively searched for your own records, you have to permanently swear to secrecy your wife (male), family, friends, and anyone else who knows. If you end up joining and 12 years down the road an acquaintance accidentally lets something slip it could ruin your career and life. It's a risk you'll have to decide whether you're willing to take or not. Best of luck to you anon.

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>>34897583
Im used to dealing with retards, love engineering and the prospects for some major engineering crunch in the future are looking better everyday- so getting real work experience would be neat. Also i want to be shipped to weird ass end of the world places and help shut down the proliferation of potentially world ending devices. I just really want to know if there would be an after market for nuclear engineers when and if I got out.

>>34898042
I don't think there was any police involvement at any point. I was driven to the hospital by my future wife. I signed something then went to the ward in an ambulance after I was fine. Then yeah the is history.

>>34898050
Thank you for everything you have said today. I will look into it tomorrow since its rather late.

>>34897550
17 is legally the lowest age they are allowed to speak to you.

>>34898088
Dunno about the army but i know the navy has a serious hard-on for nuclear engineers.

>>34897854
>>34897846
>>34897789
>tried to go into a poly relationship with a trap and the love of my life
>I want to provide for my wife
>alright what the fuck is going on here

>>34897880
>>34897927

What the fuck is going on?! WHICH IS FUCKING WHICH!? Is your wife a trap or is that some other guy? What do you mean that guy wasnt the op?! Is the trap the passable one? Or is that your Wife?

>>34898112
fuck that read the op

>>34898118
None of it matters now. Ain't no point in dwelling on the past. I am still with the high school sweetheart. (female)

>>34898125
the OP is talking about enlisted nuke. If you get a degree in a nuclear college program, you'll go in as a nuclear officer and your life won't be as shit.

>>34898088
>>34898088
>enlist in Chair Force as 9s100
>do cool shit with nuclear detection and things no one else will ever hear about
>get out and use GI bill to get degree in nuclear engineering
>apply to NEST (DOE NNSA)
>????
>PROFIT

>>34898098
sorry, meant older then the age limit

>>34898177
different fag, i talked to a recruiter 2 days ago and he told me that you can't enlist to 9S100 without being in first due to lack of expereience/prereqs since it's a specialization (ie 100 level), you had to be in for a bit and then apply

>>34897789
if this is real, you should not join the military.
its going to be stressful and difficult enough at times without you having to not share any of the impetus of joining with your fellow soldiers and worrying that if you get in a fight with your family or SO that they could tell the military what happened and you would be mega fucked.
You absolutely cannot join the military and get a job that will require any kind of clearance. So if that's the dream triple-don't-do-it. but for real, the military isn't retarded. they have reasons to not think people who have ever tried suicide are a good fit.
Just google the subject of military suicide rates. I get that /meg/ loves to tell everyone how to lie and join but i seriously doubt you should do it anon

If I took anti-depressants for 3 months, but later on felt it was inappropriate/not-needed/a misdiagnosis, would this bar me from becoming an officer in the future? I asked something similar to this once, I forget if the agreed-upon answer was "don't even mention it if it comes up at a selection board" or "get the doctor to sign a form stating this was an incorrect diagnosis" and the procedure to do such. Thank you all

so how are non-nuke submarine jobs