How the fuck did serbia down a stealth jet?

they knew exactly where the US bombers (stealth and conventional included) and dumped shitloads of SAMs in the same air corridor

>>34899422
When dropping bombs or landing, some hatches would open and they were vulnerable to radar for a very short time. Almost like a boss in a video game.

AFAIK it's been fixed.

>>34899446
>AFAIK it's been fixed.
AKA removed from service

>>34899422

The pilot was a retard.

He used the exact same flight plan over the exact same area bombing the exact same shit at the exact same time for weeks. The Serbs had a rather plucky and intelligent crew that managed to get a lock on the aircraft while the bomb bay doors were open and smoked it.

To show you how retarded this guy was: he ran at the rescue team without identifying himself while holding a gun.

>>34899422
I know this is really shitty bait, but I'm genuinely curious about something

Do they keep track of how many missiles or munitions are fired at these things that missed?

>>34899422
Complacency with NATO planners, some decent effort by the Serbs and a lot of luck.

>>34899457
The pilot doesn't plan his flight path; those get planned for him. The latter part was dumb though, also he opened his bomb bay doors unnecessarily early.

IIRC an old radar system using very long wavelengths was involved as well. At this point the shape of the aircraft ceases to matter, merely its rough size, making most aspects of stealth technology meaningless. In return the resolution of such a radar system is quite bad. Very long wavelengths also tend to require very large antennas, if you're thinking of putting something like that on an aircraft.

>>34899451
Are you saying the B2 is no longer in use/ will not be used in the future?

>>34899467

That's the F-117, m9

>>34899461
I don't know about how many they shot and missed at the F-117's in general, or even with the one they did shoot down, but I know they had to try three times to get a lock if I recall correctly. Doctrine was to only try and get a lock twice before scooting to avoid getting fragged by a radar seeker, but the guy in charge was determined enough to set up a bunch of radars all aimed at where he knew it was going to be, and also ballsy enough to stick it out rather than running.

>>34899481

They operated radars in bursts not to except 17 seconds or they would be blown up.

>>34899466
Shape does still matter; it's only when the wavelength matches the wingspan or width of major aircraft components that it 'defeats' stealth. Also, you need really large radars to get ~15m wide wavelengths; at 175MHz, which is decently into the VHF band, Have Blue (the F-117 early design) had an RCS of 1m^2, despite being slightly larger than an F-15. Northrop's competing design, which looked fairly similar but had some differences, had an RCS of 0.013m^2 at 175MHz.

>>34899498

What's the RCS of your tight butthole?

>>34899471
Oh fug, I'm retarded.

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>>34899501
Depends on the frequency and aspect angle

>>34899481
>>34899488
Sounds like they needed a prowler escort

>>34899514

Let's say 175MHz straight on

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>>34899422
I see lots of excuses, but you only need one.

Serbian artillery is lead by God.

>>34899516
Why not just use the prowlers to drop the bombs, they can carry more than two weapons as well.

>>34899520
>175MHz
I bet you couldn't even pull off 3Hz

>>34899665

Spread em and we'll find out, bitch.

>>34899422
Jesus fuck, not this thread again. Its almost as bad as the Battleship trolls.

>muh luck

Every time, like clockwork. Can't you faggots just admit that Serbs excel at warfare.

>>34899422
>le Serbs
The commander of the system is Hungarian, Serbs are too retarded

>>34899828
>got shrekt by slovenes,croats,bosnians,and worse of all albos

>>34899422
It wasn't paying attention and was just coming out of a deli after getting a sammich for lunch.

>>34899422
This shit thread I sage is the equivalent of being proud of killing a conquistador with your shitty arrow who got careless after he and his mates literally decimated your whole shit eating tribe in a few days

>>34899422
with wisdom of falcon, nothing is impossible

>>34899850
>hungarian

By heritage, he was born in Serbia and lived in Serbia his whole life.

>>34899859
>shrekt by albos
You mean how albos with your logistical support and CAS couldn't fucking penetrate the line?
>shrekt by slovenes
what are you even talking about
>shrekt by bosnians
haha did you mistake serbia with someone else
>croats
read a bit on who invaded who and who did what desu

Even ameribelly Deltas did fuck all in Balkans in the end and went home empty handed.

>>34899828
>tie down the entire defense network of a single region to a single plane
>after finally shooting down said plane, get obliteratd by the fast movers counterattack
truly masterminds, amirite

>>34899422
Operational complacency on the US side and shit shit-ton of luck that the bomb bay opened at the right moment to get them a lock.

>>34899887
Serbturk detected

>>34899481
>>34899516
It was actually fairly normal for an F-4 Wild Weasel to put a HARM in the air before a bombing run was started, so any ADA would get fucked the moment it lit up. Just not during that flight.

>>34899887
>failed all of their objectives
>haha what are you talking about they totally won
>haha
>maybe he will stop if I laugh at him

>>34899665
>Reminder that frequency and wavelength are inversely related
>A 3Hz signal is almost 100 million meters wide

>>34899918
>couldn't even invade
>lost the top tier technology at the times that directly gave China the technological edge and a leveled field
>trained mudslimes that went on to become ISI members
>fell to silly children ruses that are fake 1:1 scale wooden mig models and rigged microwave ovens to appear like radar stations, leading to shitton of wasted ordnance and waste of a military budget
>"h-haha"

:^)

>>34899946
>you destroyed our army, put our leaders on retreat and negated all of our objectives
>but you spent more money than you expected! MUAHAHAHA!
pathetic tbqh

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how come Lockmart doesn't put this on their fighters?

>>34899887

According to you all the "Serbs" that live in Bosnia are Bosnians.
You gotta make up your mind already.

>>34899998
Why the fuck would you want the missile hanging out like that?

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>>34899998
they do

>>34899566
They lost tho.

Also, the fag who shoot it down was hungarian actually, not a serbturk

>>34900308
I think he means the part where it can hang the trapeze out and close the door, which is stupid.

>>34899887
So you're admitting Tesla was Croatian?

>>34899422
luck, nothing but pure luck.

>>34900464
>>34900284
reduces the RCS penalty you take to expose your missile before firing.

>>34900866
The door's only open a few seconds. Not enough time to do anything about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-14GO09j5c

>>34899422
I heard from the guy at Aviation Museum at Cracow, that there was no lock, Serbs used TV missile.

>>34899422
Multiple failures that allowed for the perfect shot.
>plane watchers/Spies figure out exact flight times/routes for which airframes
>Operations Complacency doesn't change this... at all (against SOP)
>plane watchers report plane taking off on known flight plan with zero Wiesel or Prowler support (against SOP)
>Serbian Commander as a modified emitter that operates slightly better for stealth detection (against Serbian SOP)
>Serbian Commander fails first two lock on attempts even when knowing exactly where the plane should be
>Serbian Commander attempts a third lock on (against Serbian SOP)
>Third lock on attempt works thanks to doors being open and raising RCS

If anything I always see the event as a success of stealth technology and capability that when the Air Defense network literally knew the exact path, timing of the flight and the fact that it had zero escorts and STILL couldn't get a lock on until it raised it's own RCS and helped them. Even then if they had followed their own Doctrine (Serbians) the lock on would've never happened.

Seriously the entire scenario was pure fucking luck on multiple accounts combined with a shit Operations Department.

>>34899946
you dumb sack of shit never post here again

>>34899422
lmfao! even with the only thing they're good at (terror bombing civlians): amerisharts still get owned by shit armies all the time...

>>34901140
>My country hasn't fought anyone and/or won anything in over a century, time to talk shit!

>>34901532
Why so mad?
The only thing UShitA won in the end is genociding the whole white race, what an accomplishment!

>>34902303
Holy shit you're fucking stupid. and it looks as though I hit a nerve there.

>>34899887
who us bre zavadi!

>>34899422
Fucktarded pilot and shit plane

Full list of events and fuckups;
>NATO planners make strike paths so regular you'd swear the jets ran on Metamucil
>Serbs catch wise to this
>pilot opens bomb bay doors early
>very, very old very long wavelength search radar manages to get a slight blip coinciding with the time and place they expected the plane to be at
>Serbs volley fire several SA-2s on a ballistic trajectory set to proximity
>one of the missiles comes within a couple hundred yards of the flight path, possibly less than 200 yards
>manages to get a lock due to the open bomb bay and ridiculously close range
>tracks and destroys the jet
>sometime later the pilot runs at his search and rescue team armed without saying who he is

It was a colossal fuckup and a lot of luck on the Serbs part. To their credit, they were quite vigilant.

>>34900952
Dumkopf opened the door early.

Serbturks are the worst

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>How the fuck did serbia down a stealth jet?

Alternately, how the fuck did serbia shoot 815 sams and only hit 2 planes? A 2/10 of one percent success rate.

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>More coalition aircraft are damaged and destroyed in both Gulf War 1 and Gulf War 2 than during the entirety of Operation Allied Force over Serbia
>Iraq is looked as as being comically incompetent
>Serbia is treated as gods of air defense

i don't understand

>>34899422
Short answer: LUCK.
You fire enough missiles into the fucking air, you bound to hit something. How do we know it was luck and nothing else? They could not reproduced the same result. BTW, you have any idea how many sorties were flown during their war? A LOT. Slavs just got lucky. No biggie.

>>34899451
It did fly missions in Iraq dipshit, so your argument is moot.

>>34899422
Wasn't there a recent interview or investigation where it was determined that the commander that was credited for the shutdown lied about it and it was someone else?

>>34899566
Slav spotted.
KYS

>>34899859
>>34899887
And yet you still ended up losing all the beautiful coastline. Even your friendliest neighbor Montenegro wanted to get away from your stench. Now Serbia is left the loneliest, most cucked nation in Europe with your dreary Brutalist architecture full of misery, hatred and despair.

Suck of the cocks of your Russian overlords you faggots and gyspie slut whores.

>>34899422
>>34901060
>>34902478
One thing not mentioned yet, is that the serbs went full mad max on these missiles in order to get them to even have the chance to detect the F-117 with the bomb bays open. Its rather an amazing job considering none of them had engineering backgrounds. This patch job gave me so much hope when the ukraine war started, but really no sweet mods came out of that shit.

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It's just propaganda. They down a plane and then after the fact hype it up as invisible and invincible, to show how great they are.

>>34902700
Probably Serbturks blowing shit out of proportion.

No one mentions how after the first Gulf War defence representatives from a lot of slavshit wielding nations went to Iraq to analyze and discuss on how shit got so bad, so they well knew the US doctrine by the time the war started.

No one mentions how there were no US ground troops present in Serbia because Europe didn't want a bloodbath on its soil.

No one mentions how the same EU/NATO politicians fucked up the air effort by having insane and ridiculous ROE in effect.

Nobody mentions that because of the ROE the effects of the air effort were minimal and when the war dragged on, the last 2 weeks saw loosened ROE and the effects were devastating for the Serbs.

Nobody mentions that when politics interfere with military operations shit can only go downhill which is clear when you see the most successful air war (1st Gulf War - minimal political interference) to the less successful air war (Allied Force - politics having a word in everything).

Laziness and arrogance on the part of Yanks, and indescribable luck on the part of Slavshits.

>>34899998
That unflush door can't be good for RCS, can it?

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>>34899828
lmao, based kebab removers

>>34899828
They lost every war so far.

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Kek

Bosnian serbs down more western jets than the serbs in serbia did.
WITH SHITTIER TECH

>>34899422
It probably crashed on its own.

>>34899457
You're mixing two stories. The F-117 pilot actually did a great job enabling his rescue.

>>34904584
just like the Apache?

>>34901060
>Seriously the entire scenario was pure fucking luck
Calling it pure luck denigrates the skill and dedication of the Serbian missile crew, if Zoltán Dani's claims about the level of training and practice he put his crew through are true.

There was no doubt a lot of luck involved, but any other battery wouldn't have been able to make the shot.

>>34904628
Dont forget the shit they had for equipment, against a NATO or US military jet

I still wonder what would have happened if they had S300's protecting their skies by then

>>34904685
F-117 and Wild Weasel ops would've probably been tripled down.

>>34904603
The idiot was an F-16 pilot. Captain Scott o Grady

>>34904577
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsNY9B7M1yk
>serb kids shoot down a frenchie flying a warthog by pointing at it
I hate the fucking french so much
Im glad serbs tied them at lamp posts on the bridges that were NATO targets

>>34899422
we shouldn't have been fighting the christians anyways, good for them.

>>34904724
That is Bosnia, 4 years before that, different war
Shot down by a KUB
AA commander detected a plate for a split second, which was enough to calculate where the plane would be while he fired a blind rocket there.
Only when the rocket and the plane were to meet did he again turn on the radar back again, so that o Grady had no time to react.
The rocket was close enough to divert itself into the plane before the pilot knew what is happening.
It was a bosnian serb in 94 or 5, not a hungarian from serbia in 99

>>34904718
They dont have the s300's now, do they?

>>34904798
>implying s300s are any good

>>34899828
Serbs excel at warfare but are utter shit at politics
Its why you remain under the inbred anglo cock for the last 600 years

>>34904798
S300s in a conflict now would stand even less of a chance.

>>34904819
S-300 is much more potent. Also its the long range solution, meaning you have to have mid range and short range AA under its radar.
And the radar coverage is enormous.
Set up 5 different stations working on the same command and you have eyes in the skies all the times.
Sure, you might not catch every plane if there are hundreds but those pilots in those planes would be shitting their pants in the pits of cocks.

>>34900227
Im from a cage that is called a bosnia
I have no idea why you would say such a thing unless you are a foreigner that had parents cleansed from here.
Come home if you can.
See whats up for yourself
I'll take all your money and you will get the syndrome named after the Swedish capital.
Ill cut your hipster hair off and send you home to Bilal or Eldar, whatever the fuck your dads name is

>>34903860
still better than completely open doors.

>>34904870
That's not a very good idea; banking on a ground based system to defeat an air campaign where the opposing side has both qualitative and quantitative advantage over you. With the proliferation of standoff weapons, shorter range systems will be at a disadvantage.

>>34904870
>Then Stealth fighters burn the C&C and radars and it's just some missile trucks in the middle of nowhere

>>34904949
>That's not a very good idea
Serbia is surrounded by NATO members and it had USAF against it at the time.
Nothing they could do would be a good idea, they had absolutely no chance.
Maybe murder as many pilots as possible, shoot down what they can, but the planes would have kept coming.
David vs Goliath scenarios are not real, David gets fucked no matter how big his balls are.

How much damage can one do to the USAF in order to get USA to stop the campaign and give up a war against a tiny nation that was under sanctions for the last 10 years?
Serbs had 5 working migs at the time

>>34904981
How far are were in order to get there?
To the times when a truck with a wired and coded tv satellite dish can track a plane and fire cannons to shoot it down
I fear the future

>>34905028
~35 years ago?

Cruise Missile and Stealth "day 0" scenarios have been something unstoppable by IADS for quite some time, and now with the F-35 we have a deep strike stealth fighter that can actively evade live radar changes and hit up to 8 targets.

>>34905080
So in the end, the war will be fought in flying machines that can save your life if you get shot down by another one.
Its kind of dumb really. Same kind of dumb when the chinese peasants held hand cannons in their hands and one of them high on opium predicted that gunpowder will take over the battlefield in 800 years

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>>34902682
>2/10 of one percent success rate.

0.2%.
Say 0.2%.

>>34905134
I'm not sure what you're trying to say here.

>>34905664
Nobody will be on the ground to fight in a war

>>34905677
That's just wrong in so many ways. The ground war has to happen, but nobody wins without air superiority.

>>34902682
SAMs were outdated and useless

>>34905690
Thats the same conversation that the chinese peasants held 800 years ago while holding hand cannons

>>34904628
>There was no doubt a lot of luck involved, but any other battery wouldn't have been able to make the shot.
Any other battery, any change of flight plan, any change of airframe for flight path, any wild weasel support, any prowler support, another half second prior to pilot opening bomb bay doors, any non-modified emitter, any crew following standard doctrine

Just ONE of these things would've made the shoot down never happen. The fact that literally everything went wrong(right) for this exact perfect moment in time to allow it to happen is literally the definition of luck.

>>34905720
>nuke japan
>still send in ground troops
nah

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>>34899422
God gave the Serbs a break.

>>34905005
You know what man, I honestly can't tell what you're trying to say.
Why would we be attacking Serbia?

>>34900330
Hard to win when the opposing side is using the NATO hack.

>>34900860
>second F-117 damaged and never flew again
nah. The F-117 was 25 years old by this time. Old stealth tech is old.

>>34902682
A few more than 2 my friend. A B-2, B-52, At least 3 A-10s, as well as an F-16, F-117, F-18, Harrier, and a bunch of crash landings from SAM damage
http://www.encyclopediasupreme.org/Natodown.html

Ctrl+F "SAM"

>>34900860
>2 F-117s extensively damaged by SAMs, another losing a tail section from an SA-3, then another shot down.
4 F-117s hit by SAMs seems like a bit more than luck.

https://www.truthinmedia.org/Bulletins2000/tim2000-5-1.html

>>34899422
http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-2009-04.html

>the USAF suffered from virtual attrition of its air force without having scored a large number of kills in theatre
How did the fuck did the US fuck up so badly?

>>34902682
They often shut down their radars to avoid HARMs. US fired 743 AGM-88 HARMs in the conflict, mostly at mobile SA-6 batteries, which suffered the lowest attrition of any Serb radar guided SAM type.

Its right on the site you got this image from

>>34899422
Modern radars use transponder signals to find targets old radars paint the targets manually and require a ground crew to track them. My guess is transponders were on because they thought they weren't above enemy air space.

>Americans actually brag about kicking ass of an isolated and sanctioned country of 10 million with outdated technology, while being supported by major NATO countries like UK and Germany
STRONG
T
R
O
N
G

>>34908956

The US literally expected half of its F-117 fleet to be downed by IADS I'm the Gulf. I'm not shocked that old school stealth that had been around for over a decade and used extensively in combat saw combat losses.

The fact is that the US was shocked by how well stealth worked.

>>34908956
>According to Russian GRU
>According to Yugoslav military

>>34908956

This is about as credible as those Argentines who would rather still believe that there was an elaborate British cover up of severe damage to HMS Invincible in the Falklands War, instead of acknowledge that their own propaganda machine might have exaggerated.

>>34903264
F-117, not the B-2 DIPSHIT

>>34901140
THIS

>>34909293
F-117's were used in Iraqi Freedom in 2003 but were mothballed starting in 2006 (though didn't actually start until early 2007) and officially retired in 2008.

>>34909035
You're confusing how civilian traffic control systems work with IADS.

>>34899422
>How the fuck did serbia down a stealth jet?

microwave with the doors removed and fibre optics

>>34908944
>B-2 myth

Why is this still a thing?

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>>34902700
Slavs.

Slavs never change.

>>34908970
>Ausairpower
Might as well link Mike Sparks while you're at it.

>>34908944
That is some pretty fucking LARPing

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>>34908944
>MiG-21 shooting down a strike eagle
>Tons of F-117s crashed at sea or other countries so no proof
>This table was compiled by Srbja Serbvojiik

>>34908944
>an F-117 is shot down
>photos of villagers dancing on the parts

>a B-2 is shot down
>zero proofs it totally disintegrated guys

>>34903308

>Serbs
>cucked

You gotta pick one, especially if you come from the West

>>34912379
Oh hello you turk rapebaby serb rat

>>34900330
Maybe they ran out of shells. And he never said Serbian men were led by God, just Serbian artillery.

>>34905935
>>34913644
Blablabla

>>34899929
holy shit planets can hide in that radar frequency

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>>34899422
So why was the west siding with muslim terrorists over a Christian majority sovereign nation?
If a bunch of muslims in deerborne MI or upstate new york decided to start a war, would we just be ok with that?

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>>34899868

>>34901106
sick burn.

>>34899422

you can detect stealth aircraft using old as shit long wavelength radar bands, because it is affected poorly by stealth coatings. The accuracy will be poor on the return signal, but it gives you an idea that something is there

https://news.usni.org/2014/07/29/chinese-russian-radars-track-see-u-s-stealth