Sino-Indian War 2nd Round

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COME ON CHINA! YOU'LL FEED WITH BULLETS AND DEATH IN THE HANDS OF OUT BRAVE SOLDIER! JAI HIND! INDIA STRONG!!

>>34899397
>article from a week ago
Lmao. It's not happening. India isn't stupid enough to get drawn into a war with China in the current year and China doesn't want to flash to the world(US and to a limited extent Russia) how it plans on running a conventional war.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LK1NJZSO5M

Sory of the dispute

>>34899412
>don't drive on the shitting field

>>34899441
>can't you see its clearly DESIGNATED?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_surface-to-air_missiles#India

I just noticed that India's land-based AIr-Defense is pretty shit.

Hell, their best system is kinda an upgraded S-125,

I would say that China would own them in the air-campaign.

>>34899456
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_Indian_military_aircraft

Their airforce is OK, tho.

230 Su-30MKIs should be their best asset.

>>34899469
>Export model
>Maintained by Indians

IIRC they keep randomly falling out of the sky.

More brown in the ground

>>34899469
India has a propensity for being a third world shithole, except the sheer scale of it intensifies the third world-ness. I'd trust a country like Nigeria to maintain their shit over India purely based off the fact that they're willing to have foreigners (read: White or North East Asian dudes) maintain shit.

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>>34899576
China stands no chance against such focused autism

>>34899576
>Dancing around

Meanwhile the Norinco SPGs have unloaded their whole fucking magazines on their position.

>>34899576
No bad.

>>34899600
>>34899612
these are ceremonial-styled excercises. probably modeled after british traditions.

other militaries do that as well.

Though I would say that these semi-mobile guns would be at a certain disadvantage against actual SPHs.

On the other hand, they might be light enough for mountain use.

>>34899397
China needs to find combat experience somewhere before they take on the US and SE Asia, makes sense to bully the poos.

>>34899576
So it turns out Poos have some skills huh

>>34899412
These men are being arrested for not using the designated shitting streets

>>34899415
And US and Russia don't want China to have actual combat experience.

>>34899576
>Civ IV when all you have is Artillery but the enemy has Mob. Artillery

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but only one of the countries has more than 10 days of ammo

>>34899706

this true, the chinese are nortorious cave digging hoarders. There were prepared for a nuclear war with the soviets in the 70-80s. There are ammo dumps and hidden supply depots and even aircraft hangers anywhere there is a mountain

>>34899397
>shit will hit the fan
Ebin

>>34899397
please god make it happen

>>34899412

i hope india is prepared & equipped

because the chinks are ready to rock & roll

I'd be curious to see this happen.

I wouldn't be surprised if China is a lot worse and India a lot better than /k/ thinks, because of the relative freedoms of the press distorting our impressions of either militaries.

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>>34899397
Maybe time for some Sino-Pakistan coalition attack?

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I hope pajeet loses.

and hard

>>34899412
OMFG, poo people are so cringe

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Looks like the Queen Bee launchers would make quite effective anti-bunker weapons in this war.

https://twitter.com/OedoSoldier/status/898481003974369280

>>34900184
>bunker
>21st century warfare
For real? Goddamn autocannons on every IFV and even on plenty battlebuses is going to completely slaughter anyone even making an attempt at fighting from one. Nevermind guided artillery, thermobarics and other modern weapons, if the enemy doesn't just go around, for that matter.

>>34900195
Well, it is said that the Indians have dug themselves in with bunkers, mines and trenches.

I see if I can find the article.

Headline: LAND WAR IN ASIA
Subhead:Find out what happens when we go up against a Sicilian when death is on the line
Sub-subhead: HAHHAHAHAHHAHAH-keels over dead

>>34899821
>india any good

you must be a poo

>>34900203
I said 'better', not 'good'

>>34899821
I feel like both nations will be worse than everyone thinks.

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>>34900200
>>34900195
http://www.scmp.com/week-asia/geopolitics/article/2103881/dispatch-doklam-indians-dig-long-haul-standoff-china

>DISPATCH FROM DOKLAM: INDIANS DIG IN FOR THE LONG HAUL IN STANDOFF WITH CHINA
>Indian soldiers on the border say they are quickly closing the capability gap with China and will not leave Bhutan to its fate

>As I travel up from eastern India’s Bagdogra airport to Gangtok and then to Indian army’s Nathang base near the fraught Doklam area, I count at least six military convoys heading in the direction of Sikkim’s border with China.

>At Nathang, a few kilometres from Doklam in the now-famous “tri-junction” of Tibet, Bhutan’s Doklam plateau and Sikkim’s Chumbi valley, the theatre of the o ngoing stand-off between Indian and Chinese forces , the build-up is even more palpable, even though vehicles carrying artillery pieces and light tanks slither through the night to avoid public attention.

>New bunkers are being built, the ground is being mined to pre-empt Chinese attack, machine-gun nests are being placed at strategic points, and soldiers are performing battle drills at least twice a day. But restraint is still the buzzword.

>>34900200
Lots of dead Indians, then, I suppose. Unless they're planning on fighting ambush battles and mobile warfare using them as support and temporary strongpoints.

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>>34900214
Well, the terrain looks like utter shit for armored warfare.

Maybe the Indians are clever enough to take advantage of such terrain and use their fortifications to errect overlapping kill-zones.

>>34900195
Have you been ignoring the wars in Syria and Ukraine, both of which have shown that bunkers are trenches are back in style.

I'd give the edge to India. When, not if, the crisis gets past 3 days, the Chinese officers will whine and will not work because of depression. Around 5 out of 7 Chinese rounds will not work as expected.

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Welp, looks like it would be a war for helicopters and air-assault infantry to fight.

How's India's air-assault capability, actually?

>>34900244
Yeah and the Ukies got pieced the fuck up once the Russians started helping the separatists with artillery and spotting

Trenches only work for so long

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>>34900235
Their border is the Himalayas, so yeah pretty shitty indeed.

But China's been building a great big highway to Pakistan, so they might be able to simply go around if Pakis join in.

That'd be like some sort of hilarious Maginot 3.0

>>34900244
Ukraine is cold, the Eastern side consists of half-professional militias and totally-not-russians while the Ukrainians were a complete third world military.
Trenches and bunkers have hardly seen any use in Syria. Bunkers I have not seen any of and trenches are limited in their use at least based on following the conflict daily. They seem to prefer earthern ramparts where possible, since artillery and mortars are hardly used except by Russians and some more professional SAA units.
Also, Syrians are Arabs and they can't into war.
Though then again, I might be over-estimating Chinese and Indian competence.

>>34900210
How could India do worse short of nuking themselves?

>>34899412
This is just the right amount of stupid to make it great.

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>>34900184

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bypjcZ0QoRw

Looks like the Tibet Mountain Brigades received the PHL-03 300mm MRLS recently.

Footages show a drill of them engaging targets at a range of over 100km with guided munitions.

China has quite a large arsenal of 300mm GMRLS munitions, including those with deep penetration warheads. Pic related.

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Wonder if it'll just.turm into isonzo part 2 poo edition

>>34900299
what an insane fucking environment to be fighting in, i seriously doubt either side will have much success

>>34900297
India is genuinely going to get fucked if this goes of. The only way China can lose is if they completely fuck up with their command chain, strategy and tactics.

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>>34900297
different dildo sizes for different targets

>>34899706
>Imperial autocannons lay down an anti-fighter screen to deter Rebel X-wings while TIE fighters are being prepped to launch (off-screen).
>From the Galactic Civil War archive, colorized holo

>>34900310
Air superiority is going to be pretty damn important. This is THE terrain for CAS.

Thanks to the high altitudes shit freezes over quickly so the Chinese don't enjoy any logistical advantages.

>>34900317
India is extremely reckless, I could see them throwing the entire kitchen sink at this if push comes to shove whereas the Chinese are more likely to take a reserved approach

Could be very bloody for the Poos since the Chinese will make them pay for that victory

>>34900253
I thought the elevation was too high for a lot of choppers?

>>34900235
But the guns on the armor might be invaluable making their use mandatory.

Does either army have wide-spread adoption of man-portable missile launchers? Are they actually useful at 1km ?

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>>34900214
I really dig those kevlar turbans.

This war might be more aesthetic than previously thought.

Based poos deserve our support. China is a hostile power and a threat to the US, Indians are generally bro-tier even if they smell bad.

I always felt that the Chinks should be the one to side with in exchange for letting us fuck with North Korea.

>>34899576
>FH77 demo without Indian dancing
Dude, why did you leave out the best part

>>34900178

Back to facebook.

>>34900434
>trusting chinks

Chinks can't be trusted.

>>34900142

>hand holding

Blue board, anon.

>>34900323
>come in low and slow for CAS
>can't discern friend from foe because the area is a fucking hell hole
>suddenly SAMs coming in from all directions

>>34899612
China doesn't use Norinco SPGs.

They sold them instead because all of their artillery is based around soviet 152 caliber.

>>34900696
I'm jelly. Why don't we get to have tank joyrides?

>>34900724
Not a joyride.

That is a designated shitting tank

>>34900696
What the fuck is it with Indians and unsafely riding on top of vehicles?

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>>34900696
Man, India is really stepping up it's HEAT protection game.

>>34899415
I wouldn't welcome seeing China revealed as special ed tier soldiers in what is essentially a global midget war

>>34900696
That looks like alot of fun actually. Assuming you don't fall off the front and get squished.

>>34900789
>infantry protection.jpg

>>34900737
A literal septic tank?

>>34900789
doing it the Soviet way

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>>34900710
Eh no.

They still have both. 155mm and 152mm for older systems that are on the way out.

>>34900801
Why not? It'd be hilarious

>>34900310
>>34900323
Jesus Christ it's like a real-life Round Table.
Merc airforces incoming?

>>34900253
They've got some Hinds, which they're planning to replace with Apaches in a few years. As well as some domestic attack helis which seem decent-ish. I think they've got something like a little less than half as many as China does. Their munitions are good, pretty standard.

They've also got some interesting drones they bought from Israel, they're basically suicide drones designed to home in on radar transmissions.

Who is going to support india by proxy?

>>34900898
Japan.

gee, after whole North Korea let down, lets hope this one pan outs

im still on the

>>34900297
>unreinforced concrete
>don't know what kind or grade of concreat
>this is supposed to be impressive somehow.

>>34900696
Source

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Qg5QfeWqvY

>>34900919
Who said it's supposed to be impressive?

>>34900274
they nuke Pakistan on "accident"

>>34900919
It's made by the chinese, you've seen the gifs of the kind of concrete they use.

Why conventional conflicts are so hard to come by these days? It's only proxy and civil war shit lately

>>34900969
Too globalized and awake populations to get away with just rushing over your neighbour's border for minimal reasons. These days things take longer to get hot, but when they do, boy do they boil over.

>>34900898
All of China's enemies.

So basically, everybody.

>>34900969
Because conventional wars are resource intensive and only worth it if one side has overwhelming odds, like the Persian Gulf War.

>>34900969
>Europe
Cowards
>Africa
Who cares
>NA
>
>SA
No real militaries
>Asia
Only one with potential, but almost all relevant armies have nukes or are backed by foreign nukes, reducing the potential for full blown warfare.

>>34899397
i hope china beats india

but then again india are like the jews they are in every country and in every powerful position china will get fucked up hard by politics abord unless people growup and see the bullshit that is india

>>34901008
>like the Persian Gulf War.
the one that's been going on for 30 years?

>>34901002
Russia would be neutral, selling weapons to India at most.

And Pakistan will actually conduct strikes in Kashmir against India in coordination with China.

ASEAN, as always, will be blocked by Cambodia, Laos and Thailand which are Chinese client-states, so there will be no 2nd front there.

So, it will be a pure Sino-Indian war, with third countries providing weapons to India at most.

>>34901025
The Putin regime wants to unite the asian superpowers, but they also really hate china. Not sure how that will play out, but they really fucking hate the chinese. It's that mongol blood.

>>34901025
Thailand is hardly a Chinese client-state. Cambodia is split between the Chinese and the Thai, the only ones that the Chinese have real power over is Laos.

But I don't know how you suppose they would 'block' anything from happening.

>>34901052
Nah, Putin is pretty bro with Xi now. And with the renewed sanctions on Russia, there is hardly any incentive to break this de-facto alliance.

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>>34901056
Thailand's Junta and King (who always goes to China for medical checkup) is firmly within the Chinese pockets. Hell, they even allowed their Gripens to do Air-to-Air combat training with Chinese J-11 and J-10s.

Thailand also bought a battalion of Chinese VT-4 tanks recently. If there is any client-state of China, its Thailand.

>>34901069
...That's your evidence? That they've bought shit from China?

You've also yet to explain how, even if it were true, that would prevent other ASEAN nations from going to war.

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>>34901069

Thai VT-4 related.

>>34901097
https://www.defensenews.com/land/2017/04/04/thailand-to-buy-more-chinese-tanks-reportedly-for-58m/

>>34901097
The ballsack hanging off china is the only way into the east coast of india.

>>34901107
>poor country buys cheap shit they can afford, instead of expensive shit they can't
wow
many proofs
much convinced
very belief
wow

>>34900268
ummm, anon. not sure if you know this, but Belgium and France were allies, so France didn't place heavy defenses on their mutual border. Pakistan and India fight wars every few decades, and it is an extremely militarized border. In fact the China India border is less fortified than the pakistan india border.

instead of maginot line 3.0, it would be like if the maginot line was on the french Belgium border, and Germany went through Belgium to attack this fortification rather than crossing the lightly defended border.

>>34900297
large static target, not reinforced concrete with a super known position, a "claimed" 100km away. There is no fucking way they know the location of enemy troop movements 100km away.

also >>34900318
they are unguided

!>>34900346
For China's yeah. However, India has developed a couple of light attack helicopters which are able to operate but with extremely light loads. Realistically neither sides helis matter.

>>34899412
Kek, Indians have no understanding of physics

>>34901024
No, the one that was a few months of build up resulting in 100 hours of fighting, driving Saddam's forces out of Kuwait

>>34901111
Yes, but we're talking about them going to war with China, not India. Most ASEAN countries hate China, but don't really care about India.

>>34900434
Why should we fuck north korea, bleeding and dying to clean up a mess China made? They made it, they should clean it up. If they won't clean up their problem we should hurt them instead of the problem they created, because if we destroy the communist regime in China, North Korea will naturally fall.

>>34901126
http://www.eastasiaforum.org/2014/06/18/china-is-a-big-winner-from-thailands-coup/

>China is a big winner from Thailand’s coup

China enjoys that Thailand becomes a military dictatorship and gets shunned by the West.

They massively increase aid and Thailand along with Cambodia block ASEAN unity against China in the SCS issue.

>>34900321
Thank u

>>34901166
>block ASEAN unity
Do you think ASEAN is like NATO or something? They can't block a country going to war.

>>34901135
> Most ASEAN countries hate China

And all are weak. They can only enact any sanctions against China, if all members are united in their cause.

Cambodia, Thailand, Laos exist who block that every single time.
Recently, even Philippines is on China's side because of based Duterte.

India, Japan and the USA CANNOT exploit the SCS dispute to open a new front against China in case of Sino-Indian War.

That's the power of Chinese diplomacy.

>>34901186
Neither can they fight war on their own.

Unilaterally attacking China is suicide, they know this. All they can do is to deliver a joint statement against China that would end up with economic sanctions, but due to certain Chinese client-states in the ASEAN, they are unable to.

Secondly, China is the biggest economy and neither of these countries can afford to cut off trade with China.

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>>34901127
>large static target, not reinforced concrete with a super known position, a "claimed" 100km away. There is no fucking way they know the location of enemy troop movements 100km away.


China has an awesome satllite network and the largest drone-force after the USA.

>they are unguided

Yes. But pic related are. And they are in service.

>>34901204
>Neither can they fight war on their own.
That's not what we're talking about. Stop bringing up shit that is irrelevant.

>>34901218
>Stop bringing up shit that is irrelevant.

Then stop saying that "basically, everybody" stands against China in a Sino-Indian conflict.
Because that isnt true. Noone relevant in the region can really put pressure on China. Not even Japan, who cannot support the Indians any adequately.

>>34901240
...It was a joke, you sperg.

>>34900919
At least the accuracy seems good.

>>34901274
You can't expect wumaos to have a sense of humour, anon.

>>34900201
Lel

>>34900852
China's air force is bigger AND better equipped than its Indian counterpart, but India has more bases close to the front and more relevant experience from scraps with Pakistan.

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>>34900142
>yfw they will soon be swearded enmies.
War is Hell.

>>34899420
holy shit those chinamen are tiny. I thought they were supposed to be getting bigger cause they finally weren't starving to death.

>>34901190
They only need to be strong enough to stop merchant shipping. They shut it down completely and China loses some 98% of the international trade.

>>34901212
that uses civilian GPS and or GLONASS, both of which will not be available in a war. (They get encrypted) Also their satellite position network is incomplete, so even if they had the capability to use it, these still wouldn't be guided.

>>34901454
Epigenetics, man. Even the grandchildren of famine survivors will be shorter than average.

>>34901586
That's not fucking epigenetics.

>>34901465
Beidou motherfucker.

Who the fuck uses Glonass?

>>34901650
http://www.medicaldaily.com/starvation-and-epigenetics-dna-can-hold-memory-starvation-three-generations-and-now-297054

>>34901465
>They only need to be strong enough to stop merchant shipping. They shut it down completely and China loses some 98% of the international trade.

You realize that China is the reason ASEAN arent starving to death on the rice fields any more?

Hell Japan is only staying afloat because trade with China today is double the trade with the USA.

>that uses civilian GPS and or GLONASS, both of which will not be available in a war. (They get encrypted) Also their satellite position network is incomplete, so even if they had the capability to use it, these still wouldn't be guided.

Beidou covers half of the world now.

>>34899397
China fought battalion-sized battles with the Soviet Union in a border conflict.
Could we see something similar happen again, without it going to full war?

>>34902040
Sorry to inform you, but this time the chance is very low. Both sides are actually just bluffing right now, they don't really want an actual war, especially India.

Doklam standoff is very likely just a distraction Modi creates to distract their internal economic issues.
>At least half a million protesters brought Mumbai, the financial capital of India, to a standstill on Wednesday as they demanded set quotas in government jobs and colleges amid unemployment and reduced farm incomes.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/08/marathas-march-mumbai-demand-jobs-loan-waiver-170809153551388.html
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/08/marathas-march-mumbai-demand-jobs-loan-waiver-170809153551388.html

>>34902152
Yeah, this is actually what most people ignore.

Modi has shat up his economy considerably. Not just since the recent demonitization, but in the long run.
He needs something to divert attention from.

All the shit that is happening around India doesnt look so good. The Gurkhas are also rebelling openly.

>>34899576
Absolutely designated

>>34901103
Isn't the VT-4 the export model of China's light tank made for mountain / swamp warfare?

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>>34902955
VT-5 is.

VT-4 is the export version of the Type 99A

>>34902972
So I assume VT-3 was a ZTZ-96 export designation?

>>34900386
>Indians are generally bro-tier even if they smell bad.
Pajeet, please. India is shit.

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>>34903073
Yes. And the VT-1 is the MBT-2000

>>34901130
Who cares? That was just stylish enough to be great. It's a dumb action scene where cool things happen because the guy is JUST THAT GOOD.

>>34899397
no overpopulation in my life time

>>34903152
>MBT-2000
The Nork knock off T-90? Wait no that's a M-2002.

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>>34901002
You have any sources to back that claim?

>>34901727
>Who the fuck uses Glonass?
China, India, and Russia

>>34901856
lol, sure and you're one of those fools who thinks that life is a strategy game, and once a single upgrade is made all the equipment magically gets upgraded. Beidou is still less than half complete, and the missile you posted uses CIVILIAN grade GPS and GLONASS. Future missiles will eventually use Beidou, but currently they don't have them because the system still isn't complete, and this whole thread is about a war today, not a war in 10 years.

>>34899397
>Not sino-poo war.
you had one job!

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>>34903419
I posted no missiles.

Do you know how satellite navigation and orbitals work? You dont need a full 30 satellite constellation, for regional 100 % coverage 10 are enough. It has already been used years ago during military strikes in Pakistan.

>>34903419
China doesnt use Glonass.

For a while they used GPS, but no more.

>>34903258
Africa will swell by 3.1 billion in just 80 years according to current trends while these two countries will stay relatively the same size. The charcoal migrant wave is gonna crash this ship with no survivors anon.

>>34902152
>>34902392
yep, this plus >>34901396
means all China needs to do to win this war is not fight. If they wait and develop their side of the border, this will become a cake walk in a decade or so.

>>34903518
3.1 billion and if there's a nuclear apocalypse 2 billion minus we are all good, and Africa is massive an rich in resources they're fine

>>34903453
>>34903453
>Sino-Indian war 2: Electric poopaloo

>>34899412
That might be the funniest thing I've seen all week.

I might actually miss the poos after the Chinese take India.

>>34899456
they have s400

>>34900640
then don't come in low and slow.

>>34903556
> they're fine
Really, seems like every nation there that's not under foreign purview is a ever increasing shithole.

>>34903692
yeah but eventually they'll get their shit together i'd imagine

>>34903079
We should still support india. Mainly because china needs to have a regional power to keep them in check. One we're not tied to my any defensive treaties.

So heads up BAE. India needs to do some shopping!

>>34903299
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6P40_kd-mS8

>>34901274
>literally only pretending.
turn 18, then come back.

>>34903518
>>34903556
black Africans still use witch doctors to try to cure Ebola. they aren't getting three billion new people, anon. ever.

>>34903707
lol no.

>>34903707
Seeing as the majority of Africans Adult IQ score sits around 85~ish.. not any time soon.

>>34903787
You don't need medicine for a large population, you just need a bunch of retards to fuck too much. Africa's got that in spades.

>>34899631
The FH-77 is rather fast to deploy, and both sides mainly has towed artillery anyway.

>>34899469
>>34899491
>>34899510
Actually in a weird twist of fate, the Indian Air Force Su-30 community trains relatively hard and is probably one of the only parts of their military that get competent people at all levels.
Embellishments by Indian leaders about their nation's performances at foreign A2A competitions aside, both the US and UK have said that the people sent by India have been top tier every time.
That being said, a roster full of A-Team guys still leaves much to be desired when you factor in the whole of the military.
>>34899491
Def not, planes are made for Western Europe, not India. Maintenance would be an issue for any military if they occupied the same location.

>>34900215
Do you have any idea WHERE the battle is taking place? It's the Himalayas. Have fun bringing tanks and other heavy vehicles up there.

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>>34900214

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUhN86AbDok

implying India stands any chance when China is fielding their AFT-10 NLOS missiles and HJ-12s


Bunkers are getting so BTFO by infantrymen and concealed ATGM carriers

>>34899412
Make sure you wear your Designated Shit-Yourself-Pants when you see the Chinese hoard rolling over the hills.

>>34899510
You are shitposting. The Indian Air Force is fine. Are you Pakistani or something?

>>34901025
I thought Laos was de-facto controlled by Vietnam, which isn't in the Chinese sphere of influence.

>>34901190
>even Philippines is on China's side because of based Duterte
To a degree. The average Flip is rather wary of the Chinks. They like Duterte for his domestic policy, and that's where the majority of his support comes from. Then again you're more than likely a fiddy-center so there's no point to this.

>>34903787
They don't use condoms and they breed like rabbits. Look at how much their population has increased in the last 100 years.

>>34904626
Vietnam can't afford to throw monies at Laos for their infrastructure. Even South Korea has set up technical institute in Laos and recently they are asking JICA for monies.

>>34904478
So, China already has Spike and Javelin missiles, while the Indians are still "finalizing" their contract with Israel?

It is as if India WANTS to lose.

>>34904641
That's putting it mildly, I've run into some Flips that are absolutely butt furious at China but like D30 for killing all the drug guys.

>>34903787
It's not the Africans that are feeding and vaccinating themselves anon.

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>>34904849
And this isnt all.

China also has the CH-901 Sino-Switchblade loitering suicide drones.

Launch a dozen of them around Doklam and the Indians have nowhere to hide anymore.

>>34903744
>le youngfag xDDD

>>34904626
In the last fifteen years, China has been throwing money at Laos like crazy, in order to exploit Lao mineral resources in the north-west corner of the country. They practically built a small city just for Chinese workers.

In return, China funds stuff like Lao's hydroelectric projects south of Vientiane and builds roads linking up all of Laos districts. I actually visited one hydroelectric site several years ago, it was pretty impressive. They simply bought out hundreds of acres and relocated all the villagers to higher ground in exchange for giving them new houses, free electricity, and a brand new paved road to the district's capital (~80km or so).

Vietnam has a lot of historical influence over Laos, but they simply can't compete with stuff like that when they still have to do that themselves back home.

>>34904720
South Korea is a major aid donor in South East Asia. They sponsor plenty of construction works. I'm pretty sure they sponsored part of the new Hanoi metro/light rail system (or maybe it was the Japs?).

They've also done stuff like build roads, eg. the highway in Cambodia from the Thai border to Siem Reap, and fund a lot of schools, as well as cultural/archeological stuff through UNESCO.

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>>34900184
>those flamethrowers at 0:50
Huh, I thought they use them for anti-terrorism only.

>>34904943
>China is testing some shit
>chicoms take it as fact that it's in wide service and in use everywhere

Every time.

>>34904965
Anything is anti-terrorism if you're brave enough.

>>34901127
You're fucking stupid

>>34904972
Despite all their Middle Kingdom posturing, China is a young and unpredictable regional power looking to flex it's muscles. I wouldn't be surprised if they had a few tricks ready to go that the state propaganda machine wasn't actually exaggerating.

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>>34904972
The AFT-10 already serves the mechanized brigades that were deployed to Tibet, while the HJ-12 equips the mountaineer brigades as well.

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>>34905001
HJ-12 team

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>>34905009

>>34904965
And sanitation

>>34905081
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_Bo2ro60ro

yes. sanitation.

>>34904996
Being as how a solid 1/3rd of the ground forces equipment was obsolete in the cold war, no.

>>34904996
>AFT-10
>trouts out a few examples (that were gimped) for an exercise on a primarily export weapon
>IT'S IN WIDE SERVICE GUISE.

Thanks for making my case.

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>>34905118
>primarily export weapon

Export weapons do not take part of Military Parades in Beijing. Only in-service weapon do.

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>>34905188
Also taking part in Peace Mission 2014, Sino-Russian excercises.

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>>34905198
Tactical number corresponds with the artillery regiment of the 112th mechanized division.

>>34905217
Question about the AFT-10, as you seem to know about it- how much of the tech involved is lisence-produced Israeli tech (like the Python-3 AAM deal) and how much is indigenous?

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>>34905252
I would say that the research goes way back. The earliest papers indicate the beginning of the project in the late 90s, but it faced certain problems due to insufficient technology in micro-electronics.

Maybe there could be some Israeli involvement, but seeing what happened during that time in the early 2000s between China and Israel (the US-blockade of the Phalcon-Radar deal and the stop of Sino-Israeli technical cooperation), I would think that the tech the Chinese got was minimal. It was more the inspiration that such weapon could exist, which helped kickstart the project.

>>34905296
Makes sense, I suppose. Half the reason Israel has all the cool shit it does is that it's the only Western country to actually give a damn about those things; with enough motivation (and the Abrams performance in 1991 is very motivating) anyone sufficiently skilled could match them.

>>34899397
Is shit hitting the fan better or worse than shit hitting a street?

POO IN THE FAN

>>34905188
>Export weapons do not take part of Military Parades in Beijing.
Fake and gay.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CM-501G

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>>34905361
CM-501 is a completely different weapon.

NLOS it is as well, but not fiber-optic and its range is 70km, more akin to an actual artillery missile weapon.

It is unknown whether the PLA will adopt it.

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>>34905386
It's also quite a huge missile.

Even larger than the AFT-10

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>>34905400
Different carriages were also offered.

But again, there is no indication of PLA adoption yet.

>>34905386
>AFT-10 is not a scaled variety of the CM-501G

http://www.airforceworld.com/blog/aft10-missile-with-optic-fibre-guidance-chinese-army/

Fake and gay.

>>34905429
It isnt.

The CM-501G isnt optical fiber guided. It just cant, since having 70km of wire would make the missile too heavy to fly.

>>34905454
>it isnt
Don't tell Norinco that.

>b...but muh wire
I guess the wireless TOW is a different system.

>>34905484
>I guess the wireless TOW is a different system.
> wireless TOW

...are you retarded?

Do you know what "TOW" stands for?

I'll tell you:
"Tube-launched, Optically tracked, Wire-guided"

>>34905511


>>34905511
http://www.militaryaerospace.com/articles/2013/11/tow-contract-raytheon.html

Cool story, retard

>>34905484
>Norinco

Whoops, CASIC.

>implying a difference

>>34901052
> unite the asian superpowers
I can see what you are doing here Pajeet.
India will be Superpoower by 2020 yada yada

>>34905511
it means wireless in the newest versions

>>34905400
For you. Kung fu poo in the loo

ITT: BRICS will be shat. No matter how this ends, I win

>>34905400
Sort of like the IAI Nimrod?
If the Israelis aren't secretly aiding the Chinese they're certainly inspiring them.

>>34905926
Israel has been known to make military hardware available to the Chinese that they really shouldn't have before, for the right price.
For example, patriots and Sidewinder IIs were given over wholesale

>>34899397
>india
>prepared

pick one

>>34906013
>patriots and Sidewinder IIs were given over wholesale
Sauce?
To the best of my knowledge the Python 3 lisence produced as the PL-8 is purely Israeli based on 1st gen Sidewinder, without any american-made components.
Also WRT Patriots I remember allegations from roughly 2003, did anything come up afterwards about that?

>>34905856
Switzerland?

>>34906707
South Africa.

>>34905429
Are you fucking retarded?

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>>34907070
peasant is cheaper than tank, kulak is free

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>>34904965
>Use a flamethrower in India
>Designated shitting streets fucking detonate from the condensed ass fumes and sheer volume of flaming fuel
>Resulting chain reaction can be seen from orbit

>>34907063
This special breed of chicom asshurt makes my night.

>>34899412
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDH-vwVCKdU

>>34900172
Would ahve been better if he finished it by saying he doesn't want the land anymore.

>>34900178
>>34900290
>>34901130
>>34903609
I'm a chink and I say this shit is even better than Dragon Ball Z. I commend them for taking a Saturday cartoon storyboard and filming live action.

>>34907460
Reminder Chicoms will lose horribly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yysbbPStfWw

>>34899415
>It's the current year

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Is this going to be a full on border war or just a meme war?

http://www.hindustantimes.com/videos/world-news/dear-china-your-video-mocking-india-about-bhutan-is-fake-news-so-here-are-some-facts/video-JtjXT6Fi8SiRd0yLchpZkM.html

>>34899397
India would get their shit pushed in so far that the asphalt would even be up in there.

>>34908896
India has a vast numerical advantage in the region.

>>34908892
Holy shit that's a lot of butthurt

>>34908960
and zero in the way of ability or tech. You sound like the naysayers about Desert Storm.

>>34908960
well its india, china is just gonna steam roll the shit out of them. i really dont believe india has the coordination or the will to fight a war against china.

>>34909025
No. China and India are roughly simular, with China having a advantage with small number of next generation assets, but are hampered by having a ton of early cold war assets.

India has cold war assets too, but as a whole are decently modernized. (Airforce is alright, ground forces are OK, etc)

Overall the tech level is roughly the same for line units. The disparity is nowhere near Gulf War levels.

>>34909040
China would just bring in the good shit if they were going to do something. It would be a massacre.

>>34909033
Both are streetshitters, from that I think their competency level is the same.

>>34899397
So, how close to the happening are we today? Did it moved a little bit?

>>34909063
>muh wunderwaffe

Those don't do much unless they are of an operationally significant number.

I will also argue that the poos are more seasoned due to constant conflicts with Pakistan.

>>34909078
Air power alone would resolve shit pretty quick.
In all reality nothing would really happen because both have nukes.

>>34909087
A few J-20s are not going through change the game completely, and India has plenty of pretty good awacs, along with a competent airforce with decently modern airframes.

From a shitposting/domestic bullshit point of view, if China loses a few it will mar the j-20s images irreversibly.

>>34909025

I think China currently has a significant edge on India, but that is a stupid comparison. The troops involved in Operation Desert Storm were the best NATO armored units which had been prepared for decades to fight exactly this kind of war against the best Warsaw Pact hardware fielded by the Soviet Guards units, then were put up against a bunch of Arabs with export slavshit. China has invested heavily in its military, but for them, the kind of warfare that would be seen on the South-West border is massively different from the confrontation with the US and its allies in the East they have been preparing for.

Once China gets crushed, I wonder what will they think about all the American military stuff they pirated. Will the Chinese shills get extra pay to correct the record? It's good money, I bet.

>>34899420
That was an awesome video, thanks for posting

>>34899412
what movie is this?

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>>34904478
Israel had this 11 years ago

>>34908960
China has a much more extensive logistical network. India has refused to build roads in the region to deny the potential use of them by an adversary. China could relocate a large force to the region very quickly.
That being said it takes about two weeks to get used to the thin air and environment of the Himalayas, but that applies to both sides.
China is better equipped, India is a volunteer army with better morale and more recent combat experience.

>>34908892
Fucken hell India, at least get a hot presenter to make your bullshit palatable

>>34900354
The chinese have been testing out theirs in Syria. The HN-6 shot down a helicopter or two in 2013-2014, and their ATGM has also seen use as well as the QZL87 grenade launcher.

>>34907164
>not using flamethrowers to bbq indian street cattle

>>34899415
>A developed nation where more than half the population still has to shit in the streets isn't stupid

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>>34911105

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>>34911113

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>>34911117

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>>34911123
And this kills the poo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-huujIHffvc

Looks like quite a brawl.

To remember, the Sino-Soviet border war also started like this, with two sides brawling on that Island.

>>34911518
That was a good kick.

>>34911518
Were there shots fired?
All i see is shit being thrown

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I can easily find videos of Chinese doing exercises and training up for a conflict but nothing on the Indian side.

https://streamable.com/17nte

pulled from China's youtube.

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>>34899783
>i hope india is prepared & equipped
>because the chinks are ready to rock & roll
*Blocks your path and breaks down*

>>34907164
It is their secret weapon. If China takes that land FWOOOOOOOSH!

>>34911685

I'm guessing the drills included silencing light fortifications (I've been involved in discussions related to like belt of bunkers around pre-WW2 Czechoslovakia tactically it's nasty stuff even by War standards: flame throwers, rod grenades, etc...)

>>34911672
Really tho.

Why are the Chinese so good in fighting.

>>34911692
That "blocking the path and breaking down"-part is actually quite effective.

Look at those narrow roads there.

>>34909806
just send in the gurkhas...done.

>>34912084
Problem is... The Gurkhas are probably on China's side now.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-40320290

>>34912084
Or better yet,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Frontier_Force

>>34912103
>http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-40320290

PRC needs to get better shills. At least people who read the articles they spam.

>>34910616
>you never took a shit in the woods
Fucking city slick

>>34914307
in the middle of the city street is a looong jump from a hole in the woods. i've been to china, they do it there too, adds a new dimension to city life when you have to avoid not dog, but human feces.

>>34912047
>good
Lol call me when they have an mma champion.

>>34900214
>Tortilla warmer helmets

I suppose their helmet designers were big fans of Return of the Jedi.

>>34900297
>Chink MRLS brought to you by your Wal-of-Chinamart $$

Gotta love that chinky humvee as well.

Do you think India is going to get DONGED?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_y0_f_5eRA

>>34909806
I am not sure anyone has quantified the road conditions in the area, but India has a far better tactical and strategic air logistic network. They have a massive advantage in helicopter logistical abilities as well.

>>34900142
Don't post that photo on the internet, it will have them killed !

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>>34900317
>The only way China can lose is if they completely fuck up with their command chain, strategy and tactics.
Challenge accepted.

>>34918010
>stupid american only score 2/3 on test, not rike me, I score 3/3!

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>>34918010
to be fare

Sino-Vietnam border is PLA first real conventional war

and the Chink reformed the PLA right after the war, in 1981 China start gaining victory

>>34904276
>That being said, a roster full of A-Team guys still leaves much to be desired when you factor in the whole of the military.
The USAF has been carrying the rest of the US military for years. The army and marines have basically been useless but the AF makes up for it in kills and area denial.
It works.

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>>34899397
>war sparks up
>Chinks and Poos are all called home from the west
>Half of australia/canada is missing the next day

>>34918095
Look mom, memes!!

>>34904025
You can't call them "spades" any more.

>>34917947
well maybe they should'd thought that before they went full gay

>>34899706
is that AAA or just lots of artillery?

>>34918197
they are 35mm gun

>>34918213
oh neato that's apperantly the same gun as on the flakpanzer gepard.

>>34918064

>what is Korea

>>34918260
PLA in Korea was worst than Red army in WW2

>>34918260
Korea is a historic country in East Asia, since 1945 divided into two distinct sovereign states: North Korea (officially the "Democratic People's Republic of Korea") and South Korea (officially the "Republic of Korea").

>>34918260
The only real difference between the korean war and the zulu wars is that the chinese dug in after getting their initial victories. If you want to call that conventional then sure, just maybe not cold-war-era-modern.

Chinese shills are on full force these days. There's money flowing apparently. Too bad all they have is propaganda and only for show weapons.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBjggJgiEP8

>>34918329
But it was conventional war and the first proxy war in cold war era. A mark stone of cold war era actually.

>>34918356
I really like people such as you, my greatest ally in the west.

>>34900253
They can have their men lean out the side and shit on their enemies.

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>>34918356
Reminder, China spends on its military as little as european welfare states, 1.3 %, meanwhile India is up there with the big boys at 5 %.

Tiny South Korea is 10x as militarized as China considering its small size.

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>>34918188

>>34918486
That's a fucking stupid comparison. Even at 1.3%, it's still almost triple of India's military budget in dollars. Also, India is at 2.5%.

>>34918604
There's something like 1000 modern tansk in the Chinese armory, more apropriate would be 10.000 considering the size of economy, population and the possible budget.

>>34918154
>all their assets seized
>property "values" drop 30% over night on the west coast
>convenience stores and laundry mats across the Western world are sold or close

>>34918617
And your point is? Modernizing doesn't happen overnight. Money needs to be pumped into R&D first, and procurement takes time.

>>34918617
The PLA is still using T-55s. In fact, the model with the 100mm gun is the most prevelent single model in the whole army.

>>34918633
So? South Korea did it the same way, it's not like China started building submarines just yesterday. They have 80 right now. South Korea has 15 but China has 26 times more people and 10 times the economy, so at least they should have 150 submarines to be as militarized as South Korea.

>>34918633
The point is pretty clear.

The base technological advancement of the troops matters more than a few super weapons. At a median level, Indian ground forces are better equipped.

For example, the most numerous tank model in the PLA is the T-55. In the Indian army, it's the T-72.

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>>34899397
>Having a land war with china

>>34918658
Why are you comparing numbers like that? The strategic needs of the two countries aren't even the same. By your logic, why doesn't India have twice the numbers of subs SK has?

>>34918670
You're talking as if they will field every tanks they have in case of a war. China has enough 3rd gen tanks for a border war, plus the region is not conductive to armoured warfare, so we will most likely see mechanized infantry backed-up by artillery and air force.

>>34918720
>Why are you comparing numbers like that? The strategic needs of the two countries aren't even the same. By your logic, why doesn't India have twice the numbers of subs SK has?

Because SK has just a bit smaller economy than India.

On equal tech footing one sub beats another sub, as it stands the SK maritime forces are worth at least half of the Chinese one. On their own. And China claims it's aiming to replace the USA.

>>34918486
>Chairman Mao
You have Chairman Deng Xiaopeng to thank for all of that, thank you.

>>34918786
I'm not Chinese, mainlander, Taiwanese or overseas.

In fact i'm very frightened that the Cultural Revolution is coming to the USA and Europe.

>>34918720
>You're talking as if they will field every tanks they have in case of a war.

Because theater assets use what they got. It's not like China will ship every single one of its type-99s, give the keys to a type-59 driver and say "lol good luck", nor will they ship (or really able to) every upgraded batt to theater. That is an amateurs viewpoint.

You have to assume the median level of troops will be used, because that's all that really matters 90% of the time. You can use your small numbers of upgraded equipment, tactically, but again strategically such efforts are normally moot.

This is also ignoreing that, even on a relativisticly high tier equipment level, especially for ground forces equipment, the Chinese are not all that far ahead of the Indians, just intergenerationally superior (except for the small numbers of 5th generation planes, but the j-20 is a strike fighter not a air superiority fighter)

>>34918771
India still has 1.6 GDP of SK, they should still have 1.6 times more subs by your logic. A better comparison would be by military budget. At 4 times the budget, China still has 4.5 times the subs. Also, not even USA has more than 70 subs.

>And China claims it's aiming to replace the USA.
Sure, but that's not now is it?

>>34918812
>Sure, but that's not now is it?

Precisely, it's BS propaganda for the common citizen to swallow, if that really was the goal the budget would be 5 % like Russias.

>PLA
>Paper tiger
Pick two.

>>34918802
Yeah, I understand your fears. With the smashing of historical statues and in the process culture all over the US and a radical leftist fringe, I can definitely see where your coming from. The good thing is that we have guns for the common man and for the most part the left is unarmed along with the fact that I think people while they don't like the statues themselves, can agree they have historical relevance and ought to be preserved in addition to the fact that most right-libertarian generation (Gen Z) is a couple years from maturity in the oldest group of them. So it's not the end of the world, but we're not exactly in Paradise.

>>34918835
>The good thing is that we have guns for the common man
TFW European

>>34918804
Tanks will not be used in large numbers as the terrain won't permit it. When they do field tanks, you can bet they will send their newer models.

>>34918817
Still the second largest budget, propaganda or not.

>>34918891
Tanks are just an easy example, buddy. The reason i used it is because numeric information is readily available and I don't have to quote books.

>>34918910
AFAIK, other than the T-55's, India doesn't really have equipment advantage over the Chinese.

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>>34899397
Chinese soldier caugh stealing dogs from indian farmers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0tU4seVvOE

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>>34900270
>half-professional militias
you mean glorifed bandits who were getting the shit kicked out of them before no-russian-regulars had to step in.

>>34918931

Flat terrain that suits armor is only present in the Ladakh region of the Sino-Indian border.
And it is situated at an altitude of 3000m and beyond. Heavy MBTs will be of little use here.

Am I the only person who would be on India's side?

Fuck the Chinks.

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India should get the Brits back in to make their forces great.

And mobilise the Gurkhas

>>34919136
/k/ is being raided by Chinese shills that's why you see a lot of Chinese threads nowadays. Most of /k/ doesn't believe the Chinese propaganda but are passive so you won't see as much anti-shilling since we do know Chinese quality.

>>34918653
>>34918617
I really like outdated western disinformation, it can reduce western paranoid and insecurity about China, it can also help us(China I mean) develop our military strength more smoothly and quietly.

But this time I feel a bit kindhearted so let me share something to you. PAL have more than 2500+ Type96 tanks along, plus with 900+ Type99 tanks nowadays, Which makes around 3400+ modern tanks overall, while only have 2400- type 59 total.

Of course these also are not completely accurate numbers, then again there is no way to acquire 100% precised info for outsiders.

>>34919189
>muh shill shill shill
There are only 1 or 2 threads about China and PLA actually.

>>34919191
*PLA

>>34919191
Hey buddy, have you seen my dog?

>>34919191
>2nd Gen type 88 evolution
>modern
Well, you tried.

>2500+ type 96
Chinese sources put it at just over 2000

If your going to shill, Chang, do it right.

>>34919585
Fug, forgot my source

http://news.qq.com/a/20160116/012159.htm

>>34919441
I ate him, he was delicious

>>34919585
>>34919597
>type 88
When did I mention that? Are you deluded?
"3400+ modern tanks" refers to "type 96" + "type 99".


>Chinese sources put it at just over 2000
Have you even read what you linked? Can you even read Chinese?

This is from the same article you gave, you moron. It even shows more numbers than I said.
>中国还有36个营的96A型坦克,16个营的99式坦克,一共1600余辆符合三代坦克标准的主战坦克,如果再加上31个营的96式坦克,那么共有大约2600辆96式、96A式和99式坦克
http://news.qq.com/a/20160116/012159.htm

>>34919606
How expected.

Please clean up the human fecal matter you left in my yard. At least pajeet shits in the designated street.

>>34919733
>type 96 is not a type 88 upgrade
Kek.

>It even shows more numbers than I said.
Confirmed for retarded. Let's translate for the others.

https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=2&nv=1&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=http://xw.qq.com/news/20160116012159/NEW2016011601215900&usg=ALkJrhjPvSXih9PMz6Bdc2GG0mx5jcMTPQ

>Fortunately, there are 36 camps in China 96A tanks, 16 battalions of 99 tanks, a total of more than 1,600 units meet the three generations of tanks standard main battle tanks, if coupled with 31 battalions of 96 tanks, then a total of about 2600 Vehicles 96, 96A and 99 tanks

It's saying 2600 tanks between all of the 96 and type 99.

Being as how you are a retarded chicom, I expect you will never admit you are wrong and begin shitfligging like the subhuman you are.

>>34919767
>type 96 is not a type 88 upgrade
When did I say that? Don't keep shoveling your own shits into my mouth. It doesn't really matter which tank Type 96 upgrades form, they're still not the same tank. I said "type 96" , but somehow your degenerated mind just automatically keep replacing it with "type 88". What a fucking typical subhuman you are.

If you insist to add in type 88, then there are probably about 3800+ tanks, which is even more than I previously predict. You fucking subhuman cuck.

>It's saying 2600 tanks between all of the 96 and type 99.
It's still far more than merely 1000 (>>34918617), you fucking moron.

And what don't you go translate these as well, you retarded subhuman?
http://sd.people.com.cn/n/2014/0115/c172839-20396013.html
https://baike.baidu.com/item/%E4%B8%AD%E5%9B%BD96%E5%BC%8F%E4%B8%BB%E6%88%98%E5%9D%A6%E5%85%8B/909802?fr=aladdin
https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E4%B8%AD%E5%9B%BD%E4%BA%BA%E6%B0%91%E8%A7%A3%E6%94%BE%E5%86%9B%E8%A3%85%E7%94%B2%E5%85%B5

Friendly reminder: these are all estimation as well.

>>34919937
>refuses to admit he is wrong and starts shitfligging.
Not surprised.

>the type 96 is totally different than the 88
Kek

>a 3rd subhuman
>implying I need to translate anything
>implying the linked post is me, or even relevant to your asinine estimation.

Ones from 14, one is Baidu, and the other has zero sources. Like, at all. Friendly reminder, you are the dog eating street shitter, so you might want to go easy on the subhuman talk.

>>34919937

t. asshurt chink shill

>>34920025
>muh implying implying implying
See now all you can do are ad hominem and retarded rambling. I kinda hurt your precious feeling, no?

>refuses to admit he is wrong and starts shitfligging.
Who was shitposting in the first place?I didn't post this >>34918617.
And have you read the links I posted? No? Let me quote them for you subhuman cuck:
"俄媒:中国装备2500辆96式和600辆99式坦克"
http://sd.people.com.cn/n/2014/0115/c172839-20396013.html

"ZTZ-96主战坦克由中国北方工业(集团)总公司(NORINCO)发展和制造,是中国第二代主战坦克(MBT)计划的最后发展型。坦克来源于85式主战坦克(MBT)原型,96式最新型号96B已达到第三代主战坦克(MBT)标准。中国人民解放军陆军最终将装备大约2500辆96式主战坦克。"
https://baike.baidu.com/item/%E4%B8%AD%E5%9B%BD96%E5%BC%8F%E4%B8%BB%E6%88%98%E5%9D%A6%E5%85%8B/909802?fr=aladdin
88式主戰坦克 300-400 退役中
96式主戰坦克 (+96A) 2700+ 量產中
99式主戰坦克 (+99A) 900+ 量產中
https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E4%B8%AD%E5%9B%BD%E4%BA%BA%E6%B0%91%E8%A7%A3%E6%94%BE%E5%86%9B%E8%A3%85%E7%94%B2%E5%85%B5

Of course you're welcome provide more reliable sources, subhuman.

>>34920110
I tried to see if he would rise above his kinds stereotypes. He is not.

>did you read my old, >>baidu, and 100% unsorted garbage (in order listed)?

Yes I did.

>because some guy made a retarded statement means I can be retarded too!
Kek

>subhuman
God you sure are completely ass destroyed. Please refrain from shitting on the board like you shit in your streets.