Admit it, SEALs make these guys obsolete.

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>>34889665
no

>>34889682
is there only one size to american military clothing?
every pic i see of them they all look like their older brother gave them some old clothes

>>34889694
all seals are manlets

Meh, different missions. Rangers do brigade and regiment level ops, sure seals might be better doorkickers but a 5-6 man team can't take a city/engage an enemy armored division/etc no matter how skilled they are.

I mean with enough air support anything is possible I guess, but the gist of it is: Small-team SOF is a scalpel, but sometimes you need a sledgehammer.

>>34889735
Rangers and Seals, depending on the year, are similarly sized organizations. Similar core competencies. Both door kickers. They just have slightly different supplemental competencies. Seals being maritime operations, rangers being airborne operations. Both can do both, but with different competence.

>>34889665
SF/SEALs are calm, level-headed professionals. Rangers are housebroken axe-murderers.

Rangers are second in close quarters fighting to cag and ST6. They teach their brand new privates SOPs that we don't teach until you're an e7 on a cif team. Also they're the only SOF with a dedicated weapons squad and gun teams.

t. 18b for 7 years

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Go play call of duty, faggot.

>>34890092
Something I've always been curious about, do special operations Officers actually see combat with their teams? Or do they fulfill kind of like a high speed manager role?

>>34890111
In batt at least, high speed manager.

>>34890118
What about Special Forces? And have you worked with Air Force CROs?

>>34890111
Same guy you replied to. I can't speak much for other units but in SF you're going to be on the ground with your team and if you take contact you're going to get the chance to shoot back, but you're not going to be kicking doors and clearing rooms with the boys.

>>34890139
In SF I'd venture to guess yes. An ODA Of 12 dudes vs platoon sized element of ragnars. And naw, just PJ's

>>34890168
>>34890180
Thanks for the information guys

>>34889682
Didn't those guys made a whole lot of Rangers obsolete? Obsolete as in dead.

>>34889665
Youtried/10

>>34889694
a lot of spec ops guys are the same size [spoiler]ie manlets[/spoiler]

>>34890092
I've heard this before as well. But I don't know much, just fascinated. What are some of the differences? I mean, I'd gather that SF does get legitimately high level of weapons training, is the difference between a ranger and a non CIF green beret one where say a ranger has to reach higher standards for similar drills or is it a much broader skill set?

Like, is there a situation where a ranger would say "oh just do this" to accomplish an objective and a green beret would be like "huh? I've never heard of that maneuver before" or would they say "oh, I have only really had to do that one time in training."


I'm just trying to understand.

>>34889665
Can't compared SF with Rangers lel, what are you dumb. They are compared to green berets or delta

>>34890069
Seals have a reputation for jerking themselves about being seals, they are not the quiet professionals.

>>34889665
>SEALs: a small specialized team
>Rangers: light infantry

Are you retarded OP?

>>34889665
This is actually pretty decent post. Brought out a few thoughtful posts. Thank you OP. It doesn't quite rise to the level of bait but it is like throwing chum into the water.

>>34890777
You do know that Rangers fall under USASOC right?

>>34890818
For clean up duty, if you're a ranger lel how was infantry mos training for an extra 6 months you cuck

>>34890786
Delta talks as much as ST6. We know more about Delta than 6 really. I think what it is is that civies really love the seals. This idea that every seal is some Tier 1 operator popping out puddles and doing splinter cell stuff. Look at modern movies-- when they want someone tough they make them marines, and when they want some spy its always an Seal or ex-Seal CIA person.

But looking at Amazon for books to read Seals don't talk anymore about their experiences than other groups. Which is a shame cause I'd love to learn more about Seal Team 6 selection. Robert Oneil gave a nice snapshot in The Operator but I'd love to read more stories like George Hand's on his delta ruck, also he's a great writer.

>>34890842
>implying training and deployments ever stops

>>34890863
Lel green texting it , you must a cuck

>>34889665
Rangers are general light infantry/recon, SEALs are more focused on small-group tactics in specialized environments. In theory and training, one could supplant the other, but they mainly preform different roles.

>>34889665
Another tougher.

>>34889735
SEALS are only better if the enemy doesnt know they are coming, and they can kill them in their sleep. If there is going to be a fight. They get their shit pushed in. Historically speaking.

>>34889665
Lol, I live in RVA and know a few troops that base out of Midlothian. They are all fat useless faggots. Being a state trooper is all about putting in your dues at a local dept and transferring over. Also, Rangers are extremely useful, as much as some try to paint them as SOF, they aren't. They are more like elite infantry.

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i think is this the thread i can ask this.

what is the modern equivalent of MACV SOG

>>34890842
Found the civilian faggot

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>>34890842
Found the kid who quit rasp. Kek

>>34889665
HAHAHAHAHAJAHAJAHAHSH

AHHHHHH HAJSHAHAHAHAHAHZHA

you got washed out of RIP, didn't you?

>>34890038
well put!

>>34890038
What is operation just cause for 500, Alex?

>>34891015
Delta or CIA Special Activities Division

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but can the seals out do this

>>34891035
Glad I'm out nigger, but can't compared Rangers to seals, are you fucking kidding me . Rangers are nothing compared to SF or delta

>>34891866
Squeals certainly aren't. Operation Red Wings was the result of multiple failures that would be unthinkable to the average grunt, let alone grunt+.

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>>34889665
rangers have a place in our military...just not as big as it used to be

>>34891902
Shit happens man, they are not perfect . I would rather be protected by SF than Rangers any day

>>34891929
Me too, but only if i was in a movie.

>>34891902
How would grunts or rangers have handled that better?

>>34892471
Shit bitch, when I was deployed and I saw SF they just gave you a sense of ease, when I was with infantry or Rangers they were just full of themselves and gay as fuck. In real life SF clears and Rangers come in with marines to clean up

>>34889665
I thought what actually set them apart was rangers were trained in Arctic warfare whereas seals were trained in Maritime stuff? They both do alot of the same but I thought those were what set then apart from each other.

>inb4 hurr durr civvi doesn't know shit

You are absolutely right.

>>34892626
Nah seals are SF, Rangers are like what sappers are to combat enigeers but to infantry

>>34892547
hiked in instead of being dropped off by heli
kill or detain the locals that spotted them
don't climb up a bare mountain in daylight
you know, basic shit.

>>34892650
SEALs aren't SF, they're SO, just like the Rangers.

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>>34892650
>seals are SF

>>34892668
https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=TQmWWf3gE8f5mAHznKnQBg&q=are+navy+seals+special+forces&oq=are+navy+seals+special&gs_l=mobile-gws-hp.1.0.0.1660.13116.0.13832.31.25.4.7.7.0.504.6538.0j13j5j1j5j1.25.0....0...1.1j4.64.mobile-gws-hp..5.24.3586.3..41j0i131k1j0i13k1j0i22i30k1.Ch49JbgBa8o
Fuck Rangers , seals are special ops forces, they are SF

>>34889665
Rangers are meant to take and hold very defended high value targets like airports. Seals are meant to kick doors.

>>34892626
The easiest way I've found to explain it is when shit hits the fan how each section can react. For Rangers, Raiders and Delta it's not a big deal because most, if not all, come from an infantry background. They know how to function as more than just a door kicker and hostage rescuer. For SF it's practically their job as SF are all about training up other forces and fighting alongside them. They basically live in scenarios where shit isn't just hitting the fan, it's being funneled through a hose aimed at the fan. But for SEALs, they don't have that infantry background. The reason SEAL training is so grueling is because you're mostly taking guys who probably haven't ever touched an M16 ever, and suddenly shifting them over from being a desk jockey to a trigger puller. So you're breaking them into that mindset of not giving up and pushing through the shit. And even then they're not someone who's engaging the enemy in huge firefights, they're doing small engagements with the element of surprise. So when shit hits the fan, SEALs are at a huge disadvantage. That's not to say they're useless, it's just if some regular GI Joe from the Army or Marines had a choice of Rangers or SEALs for a combat mission, they would take the Rangers because they know that Rangers will conduct themselves like an infantryman.

>>34892684
>Special Operations Force
>Force
There's a huge difference between Special Forces and a Special Operations Force. The taked on Force implies that it is an element of Special Operations. Special Forces are the Green Berets you fucking mongoloid

>>34892684
Special OPERATIONS, not Special FORCES. Jesus, are you 12? There's only one unit in the US military called SF, and that's the Green Berets. Ask literally anyone in the military.
Go back to CoD if you think SEALs are any """""""""""better""""""""" than Rangers.

>>34892684
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Forces_(United_States_Army)
>The United States Army Special Forces; colloquially known as the Green Berets (due to their distinctive service headgear), are a special operations force tasked with five primary missions
>are a special operations force
Nigga you dumb

>>34892705
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch?I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals,and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills.

I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces.You are nothing to me but just another target.I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words.

You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet?Think again, fucker.As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USAand your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot.The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life.You’re fucking dead, kid.I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands.

Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corpsand I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit.If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue.

But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot.I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it.

You’re fucking dead, kiddo.

>>34892705
Nigger plays cod lel

>>34892741
Okay, so you expect me to believe that you were the very best that your generation of Navy SEALs had to offer? I highly doubt that. If you were as good as you say you were, i don't think for a second that you would be browsing 4chan. This is mostly a place for jobless neckbeards that still live with their parents, and nerdy high school kids that don't have any friends. It really isn't the place for highly-trained assassins to be hanging out in their spare time. Even if it was, something far worse than a troll being mean to you probably would have set you off a long time ago. What about the slew of gore and child pornography that gets posted here on a regular basis? Isn't that something that deserves a person being hunted down and made to regret their actions? Yeah, you're just not the 4chan type. Sure, there's a wide variety of people that browse here, but you're far from the core demographic if you are who you say you are (which isn't the case). Even if it were true that you're an incredibly talented soldier, I think all the military discipline would prevent you from getting mad enough to murder some random idiot on the internet. I also doubt that even the best SEALs have a "secret network of spies across the USA". Why would all of the most expanisive Big Brother network in the world be willing to help a troubled PTSD-sufferer hunt down some random kid on the internet? That doesn't even make sense. If you're gonna try to scare somebody, make it more believable than "IM A SUPER SOLDIER HURR DURR". You might frighten a thirteen year old who doesn't know any better, but to must of us you just look like a kid with an anger problem and a very active imagination. Hopefully things will be easier for you when your puberty's over. Best of luck with that... kiddo
also
>reddit spacing

>>34892689
What about green berets and delta what are their task?

>>34892769
Lel

>>34892770
Green Berets train up foreign fighters and fight with them against a common enemy. Delta are the embodiment of spooky, they do a lot of direct action, rescue, recon and counter-insurgency shit.

>>34889665
Spec ops like delta, green berets, and SEALs are the tip of the spear or the hammer usually. Rangers are the body of the spear blade or the anvil.

They can't really make each other obsolete.

>>34892770
Green Berets drop in behind enemy lines and help the repressed people of x country by training then in guerilla warfare, weapons handling, explosives, shit like that so the people can fight back effectively.

I don't know much about Delta, tho. Just know that they're some of the best the Army has to offer

>>34892830

delta does high stakes combat hostage rescue/ capture missions and general fucking the enemies shit up

very specialized mission, but wide variety of training to do that mission

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So mush shit info in this thread, seriously even Wikipedia has better info.

>>34890092
What sf group?

>>34892923
So contribute, instead of shitting it up.

>>34892830
Delta is an SMU, or special mission unit. seals are too. They typically do specific typically short term ops(often times in enemy territory) such as HR, capturing/killing high profile combatants, or attacking/capturing things of high importance.

>>34889694
They are only a regiment. They cannot operate at a brigade level.

Do any of you want to ask an actual ranger any questions?

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https://www.shadowspear.com/vb/threads/interview-with-75th-ranger-regiment-commander-col-christopher-vanek.20906/
https://www.army.mil/article/76674/Rangers_honored_for_valor__physical_prowess
they seem to be pretty high speed

>>34893416
Do you get to work with SOAR pilots how badass are they? Do they provide CAS or do they send apaches for that?

>>34893416
No? Not one of you? I'll give it twenty more minutes, then I'm gone.

>>34893546
Yes. On a regular basis. They are the best pilots in the business.

>>34893546
They can if the birds are equipped.

>>34889665
SEALs wish they could be these guys off doing raids instead of babysitting Mohammed

>>34889694
American uniforms are a lot more baggy than European uniforms.

>>34893575
What do SEALs actually do?

>>34889694
WTF is camoflauge, specifically a "silhouette" and heat as in temperature you dense fuck?

>>34893416
What sort of physical shape were you in before you went to basic? Did you have a 300 APFT score from the beginning? Do you have any say in what battalion you're assigned to? Any tips for a DEPer with a 11x Op 40 contract that ships next month? What was the hardest thing about RASP? Did you have yo study land nav on your own, or did basic teach you enough?
Have you tried the M17 yet? Do you like it?

>>34893552
What Batt neighbor

>>34893633
>WTF is camoflauge

Camouflage was an awfully big marine.

>>34893636
I was in good enough shape that I didn't lose it all in basic and airborne, I still had enough to make it through rip....not rasp. Tips? Run, run, run in boots. It's 90% mental 10% physical. If you know someone who knows land nav ask them to teach you....otherwise YouTube and Google it retard, we live in the age of information.

>>34893636
Also we are issued gas mask and that's about it.

>>34893636
not him but
yes I could max out a PT test
I had a say in what Batt I was assigned to but that doesn't always happen
Cole range is the hardest but RASP isn't that bad, just shut the fuck up and do as you're told
basic is enough for land nav, but practice handrailing roads and other terrain features
I got out in 2013 so no. You'll never use or carry a handgun anyway

>>34893688
Not going there

>>34893636
If you really want to do it. You have to Max out every pt test. Every time at the drop of a hat. If you just did pt for 2 hours and you are a new private...expect a PT test. And you better max it. That's how you get to school.

>>34893416
Alright nobody has any real questions. You all have fun pretending to know what the regiment does.

>>34893416
Fuck it 20 more minutes

>>34894066
The chance your morons have to ask a ranger real questions and you all disappeared.....you are missing out.

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>>34894066
Why didn't you sign up for 18x? During RIP/RASP did they ever make you run 10 miles before breakfast?

Any LRRP? how much gear do you take with you? how many pounds of food/hwo many MRE?

any 7 day field ops? how much gear? weight of said gear?

>>34894066
Do you have to deal with general Army bullshit and bureacracy? Or as Rangers do you have more freedom in how you operate?

>>34893416
What does your 68W do? Do they train with you or are they just another support guy?

>>34893416
How long does someone stay with the Rangers before they're pushed out? is there a big attrition rate after selection?

>>34894066
How does the option 40 contract play out? Basic -> AIT -> airborne -> ranger school?
Would you do it again?

>>34894185
Didn't do 18x because I knew the regiment was a stepping stone. Lrrp is still a thing but nor very common anymore. Not ten miles but I think about 8 as far as a run before breakfast. I have no idea what an mre weighs 14 was the longesr field problem.

>>34893917
Why you mad brah

>>34894213
I don't even know what 68is

>>34889694
Clothes are cut for combat, not looking good in Parade
And there's XXS through XL I think, each size is also Short, Regular, or Long
I wear Small Reg because lolmanlet

>>34894228
After you pass rip it's about 50% in 6 months and another 50% of that within after a year

>>34890038
I've never heard of SEALs performing operations higher than platoon level. Sauce?

>>34894253
No never again. But it's a great learning experience.

>>34894269
your combat medic

>>34894298
Whys that?

>>34890038
>>34891204
Seals don't take cities. Read a few books.
Red fucks shit up. Imagine delta and seal door kicking with taking and holding an objective.

>>348942
Basic,airborne, rip or rasp now, then you earn your chance to go to school

>>34889665
No you fucking retard. Every group had different purposes.
>Rangers are a Light Infantry/Tactical raid team who specialize in large seizures.
>There are 9,000 SEALS and 3000 rangers. Rangers are more exclusive
>Seals are meant to be a UDT team and aid in the movement of Naval vessels and small high value raids
>MARSOC are a conventional warfare team alot like SEALS minus the UDT and with more unconventional training
>Special forces are meant to help local forces train and they fight almost exclusively in guerilla warfare
>I didnt include Marine Recon, Airforce JTAC, Airforce PJs,
>And finally Delta is officially SF. Their unit is named SFOD-D and they are pretty much a raid team who specializes in political sensitivities

> nobody has mentioned tiers

So in terms of analogy, SEALs and Deltas are tier 1, like UKSF, and rangers, green berets etc are tier 2, like British SFSG.
Tier one does small unit, specialist taskings, the traditional sneaky beaky stuff, whereas tier two operates from platoon/company upwards in support of tier one, or in cases where you need specialist troops and elite infantry but in larger numbers for direct action than SF units can provide.
Put it like this; you COULD field a company of SEALs or deltas for a direct action mission, but its a waste of their specialist skills. Similarly you COULD send in a 4-6 man team of rangers/GBs to do some sneaky beaky shit, but they wouldnt perform it anywhere near as well as tier one. Different taskings, different specialties, different tiers.

>>34890098
>no threads allowed on my board

>>34893705
>asks if anyone wants to ask an "actual ranger" a question
>calls anon retarded and tells him to google shit when he asks you one
Fuck off, bet you weren't even in the 75th.

>>34894359
> there are 9,000 SEALs
Are you retarded? There are maximum 2500 active SEALs, and just over 10,000 living SEALs (both current and former).

>>34894408
Not that lad but if you need someone on a tibetan finger painting board to tell you how to land nav youre a fucking mong

>>34894408
Did you want me to teach him land navigation here?

>>34890069
What are you TALKING about lol? the SEALS are best known for mutilating corpses, and blowing HVT raids, and then lying about it on TV.

You're not wrong about the Rangers though

>>34894386
tiers refers to the level of funding they get

>>34890777
Green berets ARE SF you fucking tard

They are good for things that require more than a team of 12 guys.

I was a Marine and I love the 75th guys.

>>348>>34894469
Nope

>/k/
>In charge of comprehending combat arms
>In charge of understanding JSOC units
What a gaggle of fucktards. For what it's worth the Ranger Regiment has had the highest op tempo of any JSOC unit since GWOT kicked off. Each Bat is flexible and within the Rangers you'll find smaller units comprised of specialists with as many schools and certs under their belt as anyone else under JSOC or USSOCOM's umbrella. Need a combat diver, recce specialist, sniper, special insertion, even fairly complex hostage rescue/recover? Rangers can do that. It's worth reading how the Regiment has transformed since 2001ish and what their resume and capabilities looks like in the present.

If we're going the video game generation of retard about it, the only reason to keep SEALs around is for stuff in or around bodies of water. Taking down boats, rigs or penetrating shorelines is their niche. They've caused more problems than they've solved between Iraq and Afghanistan being land locked, not that they're completely incapable.

>>34894417
not according to a leaked report talked about on SOFREP.

>>34894469
Do you have a source for that...? At least in the UK, UKSF and SFSG arent under the same budgetary mandates as Army, Navy and RAF, all DSF forces are under one budget that is allocated as needed, and Ive always heard of the tiers as identifying roles, definitely not budget. Maybe thats just over here. SFSG is tier 2 because they operate at larger scale in support of tier 1 and dont conduct the same specialty missions.

>>34894408
Listen up nerd. Sorry I don't own a mosin...and larp in the woods in my free time but you can fuck off back to your land of"airsoft is legitimate training" world

>>34894417
https://sofrep.com/42425/jsoc-navy-seals-army-rangers-higher-numbers/
Pardon me 6,000

>>34893416
This is me who asked this question. You are all fucked. I'm done.

>>34893416
Are all rangers douchebags or just you?

>>34894386
>Similarly you COULD send in a 4-6 man team of rangers/GBs to do some sneaky beaky shit...
Not quite as black and white as it used to be. The Ranger Regiment's reconnaissance team(s) are among the most effective we have.

The Regiment is no longer stuck in the role of support operations and large(r) force engagements.

>>34894547
And thats confirmed active duty?

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Where did this meme of rangers not being SOF come from?

>>34894616
Pretty much all of us. Because we are better than you.

>>34894628
Fair one, you lads have over 60,000 guys and half a dozen units in your SOF umbrella, over here its a lot more clear cut.

>>34889682
I went to highschool with Shane Patton, he was a fucking weirdo lol

>>34894639
Sorry. Its about 6,500 not 9,000 officially

>>34889694
Baggy clothes help to keep you cool in hot climates.

>>34892741
I'm genuinely surprised it took this long for that to get posted

>>34894656
I'll give benefit of the doubt that most rangers are pretty cool and don't spend their time on anime imageboards saying their better than civvies asking questions.

>>34894676
2lowdrag4u

>>34892830
Was vinning delta? Or a green beret?

>>34894676
Weirdo in what way?

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>>34894257
per a 1250 cal MRE with all the stupid fixings its 1.7 lbs

If you field strip it and then us ranger bands to keep it together its 1.2 - 1.5.

I ask cuz with
>4 packs of SOS food ration bar packs(3600 calories)
>1 UST 2400 calorie pack of food bars
>7 MREs
One can hike for 7 days with 25,200 calories at their disposal. Only 20 lbs worth of food. it has to be lighter than whatever the fuck you bring on field OPs

With SF groups and Rangers can you choose what you bring? Like if i wanted an M16, my food choice and sleepy system, do i have to fight my way to bring it? what is the SOP

>>34894750
He was EOD then joined Delta when it was just being formed.

>>34894934
How did he became a meme?

>>34894766
Weirdo like an autist. He would have fit in just fine here. He wore a fucking leopard print tuxedo to prom.

>>34895016
I think he became a meme because he looks like fucking Joe blow Christian youth minister, but he was actually an operator.

>>34894861
> weapons system
Although you could cater it to your needs, i.e lasers, optics, 203 etc, you couldnt name a rifle and be like 'gibs me dat'. You either have a rifle/carbine, light machine gun or a marksman rifle, unless youre a sniper specialist. So the average SF guy will use whatever the standard rifle is. It also has to be standardised with the rest of your team, so you can all use each others ammunition if need be, parts are the same, repair and cleaning is the same.
> food and sleeping system
Seeing as that falls under personal admin, everyone does their own admin a bit differently. Some people prefer roll mats, some fold mats, some dont use mats at all. All depends on the terrain, weather, duration and weight. Similarly with food; if youre going out on a 5 day op, you can carry a fair amount of scoff on you without it impacting your overall weight too much. If youre going to tab out and set up a covert OP for two or three weeks, you cant physically pack 21 days worth of full ORPs into a bergen along with all the other specialist equipment you need, so you need to compromise. And while yeah you may choose to buy wayfayrer instead of have the ORPs, it makes so little difference apart from individual preference, and ORPs are free.

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>>34895043
>ORP
>scoff
>wayfayrer
That food?
Pls define nothing on internet

>>34895028
>a fucking leopard print tuxedo to prom.
Nice

>>34894861
Sorry, speaking bong.
> ORP
Operational Ration Pack, or rat pack
> Scoff
Food
> Wayfayrer
Commercial camping food/meal ready to eat, better quality than rat pack meals but also expensive.

I think you guys are all retarded and this is just a dick waiving competition. All these groups are just elite miltary warfighters that belong to different branches which emphasize their own command and organization and focus for specific missions. I think the differences between the groups are minimal and you all compare them on with information that has too many variables. Basically this is like an ar general full of retards spewing anectdotal evidence like they are subjuct matter experts

>>34894568
>>34894547
So whats the estimated size of SOCOM now with the increases?
>tfw wikileaks or some bored spy leaks that the US Black Ops special operations community is really like 3 times larger than reported, and that we outnumber the norks sof while still keeping our vast quality superiority.

>>34895205
> I think
Well theres your problem

>>34895028
Those are the type of guys who become operators kek

>>34895332
Our SOCOM size in classified and cant really be counted because of hidden groups. For example, we found 3 other Tier One groups that nobody knows the name of alot like Delta.
>One in Homeland security/Secret service
>Another Airforce one
>Another JSOC one

>>34894253
not him, but it goes OSUT (combined infantry basic and AIT), Airborne, RASP, then if you can stay in the Regiment for 6 months to a year you go to Ranger School.

>>34895350
Fuck. I didn't realize i was thinking again. I better go re-enlist or go to the VA. They should know how to stop that.

What's the point of special forces if almost everyone is speshul now?

Whatever happened to 200-400 dudes who are the actual best of the best?

>>34895382
Do support MOS like combat medics go through the same pipeline? They can apply for RASP, can't they?

>>34894386
That's a good way of looking at it, but Id put it more like this:
>Tier 1: Delta, DEVGRU, various spooky CIA units, RRC.
>Tier 1.5: Green Berets, MARSOC, PJs
>Tier 2: SEALs, Rangers
Of course, it's hard to compare the separate groups and sometimes they work together for a common goal. Like a PJ may be attached to a DEVGRU unit for extra medical support.

>>34895408
If they are the best, would you ever hear about them?

>>34895408
The best of the best is a meme. Competant/wants it more not as much.

>>34895408
because size doesn't affect their quality

>>34895430
support MOS go to basic, ait, airborne, then RASP. Everyone, support included, goes through RASP to join the 75th. It's very unique, most units have an entirely separate course for the support guys. They also go to Ranger School a few months down the line, if they can hack it.

>>34895430
They give out 100 11x OP40 contracts a month
And 10 for every other mos OP40
I'm a 68W Op40 poolee

>>34895434
>PJs

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>>34889665
>baiting this hard

Nice try, guy. Say hello to the fist of SOF, self loathing sociopathic trucks second only to CAG in our field. You can't even compare us to SEALs or group because the jobs are so different. Also SEALs are jackasses who need saving WAY too often than they should.

>>34895647
Nice. Good luck. Are you going straight to RASP after AIT or do they keep you waiting as a 68W somewhere else?

>>34889665
>Virginia State Police could pull security for Delta

...what?

>>34895366
Wait what? Was that in the report?

>>34895840
Judging by Charlottesville all they would do is stand around while all the fighting happened before telling Delta to go home.

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Are there really "DOD" (CIA) spooks like this guy?

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>>34896314
They're more chubby

>>34890092
What do you mean by SOP's. I'm a disenchanted fella from it and I'm just not sure what you mean. The doctrine makeup of the platoon was beneficial, but could've been revised and made more efficient.

For the most part we just had the luck of the draw of being the grunts for JSOC taskings is all.

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>>34896314
Yea, I was reading a book about a Green Beret ODA that was deployed to Afghanistan along side a CIA element that consisted of one Spook and 3 man delta recon team

>>34895366
What is the source for those?

>>34892659
The only glaringly obvious flaw was their comms. They shit the bed bad. Every sniper team from non-airborne SOF to spooky doopies know that comms are top priority. And they fucked it up.

Detainees is a shitshow for anyone recce or sniper teams. I still am not sure what I'd do in that situation.

The false insertion is normal amongst all SOF and even conventional raids during the surge. So youre wrong there chap.

>>34895434
Switch PJS & MARSOC with the Seals and then you have it.

>>34896820
This desu. Actions on lost comms was 'flap about in the woods'. They got halfway up a mountain, still couldn't get comms, and instead of withdrawing to the last position of good comms they faff around in the woods until they get bumped and massacred.

>>34889665
For funding. DoD is just as much a political money game as the rest of the government. Multiple units with varying and slightly overlapping responsibilities means they get more money to maintain that unit. If they don't have a sof taking in money, then that's money going to a different branch. If they truly wanted efficacy then you could easily knock it down to 3 to 4 SOF units.

>>34891015
These guy look so young and innocent not like absolute lords of death

>>34896813
Book?

Is the national guard a special force?

>>34894424
Tibetan finger painting? I thought we were Laotian coloured sand art.

>>34897002
>lords of death
>btfo by barefooted peasants and literally chased out of the trail by 1969

Rangers deploy in larger numbers and with heavier weapons.

>>34889665
says a yellow-bellied faggot who never served.

I am actually 100% no meme thinking about enlisting for some shit.


Imma give it a year or two to sort some stuff out and then start along that path. Really interested in Airforce SOWT, would go along nicely with my schooling. But otehrwise have no clue what I need to od for some shit like that.

>>34896860
Where does SOWT factor in?

>>34897934
To give yourself a chance:
> be able to run fast and run far; 2.4km in under 9 minutes, 5 miles in under 35 minutes
> be very strong bodyweight wise; able to do 100 push ups in one set, same with sit ups, at least 20 pull ups
> be able to tab for miles at a good pace; aim for at least 4.5 to 5 miles an hour cross country with at least 50lbs for several hours
> be able to learn quickly and imitate well and then put it into practice
> be able to solve problems on the fly, deal with pressure and work well with others
But most importantly
> be able to do all of the above whilst mentally and physically wrecked (e.g after being out in the field for 6 days, getting maybe an hours sleep every night, stagging on, bumped and bugged out, long tabs, contact drills, beastings up the wazoo) and in the pissing rain, freezing cold and hungry and sleep deprived, and STILL being able to retain information and do your jobs
> embrace and thrive in the suck

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>>34890092
this guy knows

>>34890731
I spent some time in Batt, can confirm the training is thorough, during my time deployed the SF guys we worked with seemed competent enough.

I will say that when it came to things like room clearing and the like the ranger kids like myself knew more and were more proficient, but on the other hand that's all we knew compared to SF who had a wide spectrum of skills.

>>34891083
lol

>>34892741
I came here just for this

>>34896860
You are out of your damn mind if you think that PJs are lower than tier 1. They are the most visible SF unit that the air force has and the sheer amount of time they put into them means that they are very fucking good at their jobs. you don't get know as 911 if you suck in that world

>>34899526
>manlet

>>34899689
Most of us are.

>>34899713
Why is that?

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>>34899741
couldn't tell you honestly.

Studies have shown that most people in SOF are somwhere between 5'7'' and 5'11''.

There is obviously exceptions, my first PSG was like 5'5" and I know guys that are literal human specimens, like Odin himself granted these 6'3" gods life to do his bidding.

If I had to wager, I'd say that being on the smaller scale makes you "tactically" sized, but I'm just ball parking/making a joke.

for reference I'm like 5'7"

>>34897735
*teleports behind you*
*thrusts bowie knife in your jugular*

pssh, nothin' personnel, kid......

>>34899785
good to know not all Rangers are really tall bodybuilders. I'm 5'9 myself and ship for OSUT in 3 weeks, so I was worried about being left behind on rucks because short dudes have it hared there, apparently. I've done a lot of rucking, but it wasn't with anybody doing similar training.

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>>34889665
>seals
a bunch of lady boy faggots if you ask me

>>34899785

>dat sweet sweet eotech

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>>34895366
>tfw Airforce JSOC group is SG-1

>>34889665
They're all the same in skill, they just do different shit from each other. This is like comparing chess to checkers.

>>34889682
TIE
YOUR
SHOES

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>>34894568
You're misinterpreting what they report. Those numbers are people in the unit, not actually qualified operators. Supply, intel, cooks, etc. are included with those numbers.

>>34898074
Tier 1.5

>>34899785
>STB this hard

Are your pants bloused into your boots? POG.

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>>34900729
Naw man, your just going to have to run a little harder then some people. But rucking like most things in Batt is a developed skill and in some weird way an artform.

>>34900764
For all its flaws I really did like it. Shame they decided to pull them, but faulty equipment is a nogo.

>>34901983
There are such things as formations on deployment, even for SOF guys.


It wouldn't be that hard to believe I bloused boots in my combat Patagonia bottoms because my TL wanted to be squared away for an SF general.

>>34893697
For you.
Whooooaaaa Camouflage

>>34903078
If youre still here.
No bs how do you like being in SF? Dont gimme that warrior mentality shill shit either please. Like no bs is it great compared to basic army mil shit? Do you absolutely love it and dont regret becoming sf one bit?
You stayin in for 20?
Whats your next moves in SF? New schools? Something else?

>>34903315
Full disclosure I am not SF, I worked in a SOF unit (I.E. Ranger Batt). The distinction is important.

>No BS,
I really loved it in Batt, it's a lot better than any of the big army shit I've ever had to deal with.

>20 years?
Naw my dude, I'm trying to get into Special Firces now, and even if I do make it in I'm only going to serve that term. The army life isn't for me (long term anyways).

I'm just trying to get the most out of the military while I can. So mostly I'm looking st schools and deployments. After all that I just want to get back to my normal life.

Whats the opportunity for a Corpsman to go into a special forces type role?

>>34904309
Nice all that makes sense.
Few more questions while i got you.
Age?
Reasons for wanting to go SF instead of just ascending in Batt?
> I'm trying to get into Special Firces now
Is there anythign stopping you? Command giving you shit for leaving or anything like that?
>I really loved it in Batt, it's a lot better than any of the big army shit I've ever had to deal with
This si what im interested in. Can you expand on this in any way you can think of?
Is it more strict on important stuff and less strict on gay command climate stuff?
Is the food quality the same?
I mean literally anything you can think of of why being in batt or SF is better than regular army is greatly appreciated.
>>34904361
sarc

>>34892668
>rangers are SO
lol

>>34904402
Thanks, I'll research now.

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>>34897735
To be fair there was an insider at MACV feeding LZs to the PAVN. Its hard to work effectively when you get lit up literally every time you go out there. For its time the men of MACV-SOG had massive balls to go out and do what they did.

>>34904413
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amphibious_reconnaissance_corpsman

>>34895408
>>34895436
the actual 200-400 are in CIA SAD and other spooky groups you haven't even heard of

>>34889665
Somebody give me the quick rundown on PJs and CCTs.

>>34904402

>age
I'm 23

>reason for leaving
I just wanted to move on to something else. Being a trigger puller is cool and I'm really fortunate to have been given the opportunity to work with the people I met.

My first SL was one of the biggest influences in my career, (dude did a bunch of omega team shit in his younger years.) Taught me all kinds of shit, but the most important thing he told me was that this place (Battalion) is not somewhere I should stay. He had high hopes for me and told me to use my time there as a foundation to move onward and do more.

>I want to be an 18D and see what its like to be highspeed and "help" people while still being capable of "hurting" those who seek to hurt us.

>Something stopping me
No I'm just waiting on my class date for SFAS

>Whats better?
A lot of things are better, from food to training, quality of equipment, overall general operational competency. Don't get me wrong, there are still some down sides like surveys and sharp training (nobody avoids that shit)

But in the end I would't have traded the experience of being a Ranger private for anything.

anything more specific about the differences, just ask. It's a broad question.

>>34904670
>My first SL
whats that?

>dude did a bunch of omega team shit
Whats an omega team?
Whatd he do?
Was it cool?
Why did he stop?
Do you want to do that stuff?

>anything more specific about the differences, just ask. It's a broad question.
Im not army so i dont even know enough to know even what to ask. This is great info though. Appreciate it.

Honestly, the whole organization of SOCOM is a mess with far too many units.

You essentially have a lot of units with around the same capabilities just in different branches.

It's not my place to say whether a centralized system like Germany's SF/SPD would Work better or not, but it sure as hell is a lot easier to organize.

>>34894340
Sorry, but lumping Delta in with SEALS and Rangers is pretty dumb.

>>34890851
Thanks for the low-key reading recommendations

>>34891015
JSOC often creates a task Force consisting of their units and the CIA SAD/SOG.

>>34896820
Easy. Take the detainees up the mountain with you on your way back and then Release them later.

Not perfect but would've gotten them more time to hide and fix their their comms.

>>34894645
from them never being part of JSOC. that have never been SF nor will they ever be.

>>34892694
As someone in a foreign Military, I always found it to be pretty weird that you can apply to BUD/S without atleast going through Infantry Training and/or atleast one deployment.

>>34893233
Only SEAL Team Six/DEVRU are an SMU.
Regular seals are not.

Any of you Rangers see the use for 300 BLK? Seen any spooky people using the Sig MCX in 300 BLK.

>>34904914
>from them never being part of JSOC.
neither are SEALs, Army SF, or Marine Raiders.

>>34895366
The JSOC one is probably the Regimental Recon Company of the 75th Ranger Regiment.

>>34895434
This is correct. If you only take the direct action units into Account atleast.
Dang, I'd like to know more about ISA.

>>34896314
Yes, they are generally part of the para-military branch of the CIA called SAD/SOG or POG.
They do a lot of task forces with JSOC and other law Enforcement units.

>>34900957
this desu. Must have been a random picture when he was jerking it and threw some clothes on when it wasn't his turn for patrol and was just like: "Meh, I'll get this pic in"

>>34904670
I have a question
How are guys that went from a line unit to Ranger Batt treated compared to guys that went straight from Civilian to OSUT to RASP?

>>34904740

>SL
Squad Leader

>Omega team shit
It's a CIA thing
I don't know what he did
yes it was probably cool
Its only temporary
No

>other stuff
its all good my dude

>>34905764
They are treated about the same. Depends on the people above you, but if you show up with out a ranger tab your fucked regardless.

>>34904491

This

>>34904787
>Honestly, the whole organization of SOCOM is a mess with far too many units.
>You essentially have a lot of units with around the same capabilities just in different branches.
>It's not my place to say whether a centralized system like Germany's SF/SPD would Work better or not, but it sure as hell is a lot easier to organize.

Its really not that complicated. These various units are fluid and depend on the various kinds of little conflicts and unconventional battles that pop up all the time, with personnel and resources flowing back and forth according to need and political capital.

Germany's standard SF would struggle to try and replicate the kind of reach that the Green Berets for instance would have, along with all of the various subgroups and offshoots they have formed to support or handle specific missions. Especially since their intelligence networks are childlike compared to the United States or Russia, and also their paramilitary assets too (because for some reason Germany really doesn't like dumping lots of funding on shadowy black operations units with little government control killing enemies of the state)

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https://www.instagram.com/p/BX5rx4wlX-I/?hl=en&taken-by=sobtactical

>that little bird gun run sound in the background

>>34905864
Yo man I got a question.

I am looking to get my 68w Opt 40, how is medic life in Batt? Do they actually do everything the Bravos do or stay in the rear?

>>34908116
I wasn't trying to compare Germany's SF/SOF to the US', just their structure.
It's pretty clear that Germany can't hold a candle to US SF/SOF, simply because they don't even remotely have as many.

I mean, they basically have Delta equivalent(KSK), a DEVGRU equivalent(KSM) and a 24th STS equivalent in 'their' JSOC. And some soldiers that are a counterpart to the Rangers(EGB).

And it's obvious that Germany also has a far weaker intelligence Service, if only because it's just not as big.
The BND basically tries to emulate the CIA and the NSA at once, with only 10% of the personell.
That said, I think they punch above their weight a bit.

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>>34904799
I'm pretty sure he was referring to NSWDG/DEVGRU/TF Blue/DN/ST6 whatever they go by, who are SEALs and are a part of JSOC, he is right about Red fucking a lot of shit up though.

>>34892830
Delta are basically American SAS.
Seals are American SBS

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>>34908902
>doing stuff
You do a lot more high speed stuff then most medics, but you are still a medic.

You role is to stay by your PSG (Platoon Sargent) and coordinate medical treatment/evacuations/Triage.

your Training in SOCM (Special Operations Combat Medical) phase 1 is no joke though, gets you half way there to a nursing credential I've been told.

>>34909850
This is a fair comparison based on my personal experiences, but only in sense that it helps understand general purpose of the units mentioned and not there proficiency in completing that purpose.

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>>34889665

When POGs make comments like this; it just re-affirms what everyone knows about 90% of /k/. That fat faggots with little to no military experience talk about shit they have no idea about.

Rangers pulling security...Are you really this fucking stupid? A DAE fucking clears large areas, asslts objectives, and maintains larger areas than SOF.

Fucking christ, I've seen some stupid shit on /k/, but fuck...

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>>34904309

What Batt? And for how long?

What rank/pay grade are you? What was your role (ie TL, SL, PS),

Post the tan beret or it didn't happen.

>>34910795
>DAE
non mil here, whats that?

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>>34910826
>Batt
3/75

>Time
1.5-2 years depending on how you count waiting around

>Rank/Role
E-3/4 (No Tab). Spent time as Aid&litter/Grenadier/SAW

spent some extra circular time doing a lot breaching work but that isn't really a role.

>>34910996
>No Tab
how come? Havent got the chance yet?

>>34911139
It's a long story and one I'm not particularly fond of retelling through text.

Let's put it this way, I got admin dropped from School citing "Unit Recall".

>>34910887
Not him but most likely Direct Action Element, meaning they hit specialized objectives (airstrips, compounds, dams) instead of large overall areas.

>>34911274
Isnt that the exact opposite of what he said?
>>34910795
>A DAE fucking clears large areas, asslts objectives, and maintains larger areas
>>34911190
>I got admin dropped from School citing "Unit Recall"
well i wont push you but man i wish i knew what that meant

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>>34911288
I have every intention of going back to get my Tab, its just on the back burner for right now until I can get the rest of my career situated.

Just for your SA, the reasons I got recalled were "political". It's mostly that I had a serious disagreement about the progression of my career with my leadership.

>>34899526
>EoTech and no irons
Brave man

>>34911542
>
>>34911542
man that just piques my interest to know more even more intensely

>>34911542
I agree, leadership can get in the way of a lot. My NCO kept me from going to SF selection, like he kept me from getting a packet or refused to take it/"i'll get to it," because I "didn't re-enlist." In actuality I didn't want to re-enlist unless I passed selection (I still had a year to decide). I should have brought it up to the plt leader and probably the xo/commander, but I really didn't want shit to get heated in an already shitty environment.

>>34903168
THINGS ARE NEVER QUITE THE WAY THEY SEEM

no matter how hard I try, I can't get this song out of my head

>>34910535
It sounds cringey but will I get a chance to slot some bad guys? Helping dudes is my passion but being a Ranger is one the main reasons I'm getting that 40, you know what I mean?

>>34911665
were you in Batt or just some basic infantry unit?

>>34911715
Infantry unit, I wasn't an 11B though.

>>34895016
By looking like a gigantic nerd and being one of the hardest Motherfuckers around.

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>>34911796
How can Chads even compete?

>>34910996

How do I have a tab, and you don't? Fucking A. I knew going to the Nasty Girls was a bad move. Thank God GA gives a shit about it's soldiers.

I have two guys from 1st Bat who are prepping me for the Q course. That's why I was going all LA Noire on your ass, specialist.

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>>34895408
>best of the best
>implying they are not just cavemen

>>34911612
Lol, you right. Though to be fair it never failed me when it counted.

>>34911686
I knew a medic who showed up right after SOCM, deployed instantly, went on target and killed 2 people then got shot and lost all feeling in his right hand, plus most muscle control.

So yeah it's totally possible. Shit happens all the time.

>>34913228
Shit happens man, what can I say.

I get it though. There are plenty of people who lie on the internet. I've got no shame about it.