How useful would this hammer be in actual combat?

if he can move around with this hammer. it should be able to knock out most enemy if no hits.

STOP!!!

HAMMERTIME!!!

>>34887857
I thought the hammer was badass but then I lifted a small handheld sledgehammer and it was pretty damn heavy and this guys hammer looks like it would eat the hammer I lifted for breakfast so I was just asking if it would actually be practical?

>>34887852
It's really not that much more exaggerated than the oversized axe Euron uses.

Effective enough to crush Rhaegar's breastplate and kill him and the Battle of the Trident

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>>34887852
>>34887890

What actual 15th century hammers/axes looked like.

>>34887852
Far too heavy and fancy.

>>34887852
He'd get gunned down pretty quick.

>>34887916
So I'm guessing that kids hammer is a piece of shit because that hammer is pretty small compared to his.

>>34887930
I'm pretty sure you know what I meant you gargantuan bitch.

>>34887852
A pine and plastic prop? No. You should not attempt to fight in life or death combat with props.

Joking aside, that looks like the ballpark of (if not a plastic prop) a 40 pound hammer. It would be utterly useless as a weapon.

>>34887857
Sadly, bio-mechanics don't work like that. To swing or thrust a weight that large at the end of a lever generates a tremendous amount of momentum that would make it's path very predictable. It would be hopelessly clumsy in a fight, to the point that a person would be better served by dropping it and fighting bare handed, no matter how strong they were.

weapons is all about force/area, big fucking fantasy hammers are heavy, but they have a large contact area too, so not only will it be a bitch to handle, its wont do more damage than a much smaller lighter hammer

>>34887951
*gargantuan bitch with a gun

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>>34887958
>>34887969
Now that you guys are here what would you think about using something like a handheld sledgehammer? I know they used smal axes in combat but what about something like this and if they would were they practical?

>>34887985
2/2
Call me a retard but if I was fighting a fully armored samurai that somehow dropped his spear and was using a Katana I think if I had proper knight armor and a shield I would have an advantage trying to beat the shit out of him with a small hammer over using a sword. How accurate is this assuming I've never held a sword?

>>34887985
Just look up war hammer

>>34888002
As far as I know samurai armor wasnt really armor in the sense that european armor was
I would say that his katana would be pretty much useless againts your armor if it was late style and from proper metal
And as far as hammers they are only really good againts heavy armored opponents so to say so I think a sword would be more proficient againts a samurai

>>34888021
>And as far as hammers they are only really good againts heavy armored opponents
So if I hit you in the head with a hammer you'd be alright as long as you weren't wearing a helmet?

>>34888021
retard

>>34888021
This. If an opponent isnt wearing armor, you would have to land a pretty solid hit into someone before you could start hurting them. With a sword, at least a small hit would cause a cut. With the hammer, you will get a bruise or nothing without solid and forcefull contact.

>>34888056
Nice rebuttal

>>34888021
>>34888060

My logic was that I have no clue how to use a sword and I'd probably hit the samurai in places where his armor would completely negate most of the damage where as with the small hammer no matter where I hit him I'd do quite a bit of damage.

>>34887852
what were they thinking?

it's such an obvious movie prop, you could tell it was plastic immediately, the hack fraud actor doesn't even pretend that it's heavy

>>34888075
I kinda thought the same thing but at the same time that hammer looks pretty sweet and instantly made me a hammer guy.

>>34887852

is the head is solid steel, not at all, if it is hollow, although I see no reason why, it would spread it's kinetic strength over too wide area to make it effective against armor while simultaneously make it harder to control the pike, all in all it's a cartoonish weapon is series that so far showed weapons quite realistically

I feel it was done as not to be disappointing to the wider audience with a representation of a realistic war hammer that in reality was quite small

I'd be ok if he was wielding an actual forge hammer

>>34888067
Ye but samurai armor is just fucking bamboo mainly
So if you just stab him the sword should guide itself between the bamboo sticks and slide right into him
Sure you can hit him a million times with the hammer or just manage to stab him once and gg
>>34888047
Ye but much easier to stab someone anywhere than to just aim for the head with a short war hammer

>>34888103
What if he made it hollow like you said but specifically to attack unarmored opponents and I'm pretty sure the end of that thing even if hollow is at six or eight pounds so it should work fine for that and the spike end was something he added in case they had light armor? Would you consider it decent at that point or would the style not make up for it because I think that might be the logic behind this weapons this kid made because he specifically says he's not a soldier.

>>34888115
Yea but you've got to think I have literally no training with a sword while the samurai guy would know all kinds of ways to parry me and maybe even disarm me. I think coming at him with a shield and small war hammer like a crazed gorilla would have to be my best bet.

>>34887852
He's a big guy

>>34888133
2/2
Another reason I say this is because I think I'd have a size advantage over a samurai which I imagine to be small so why wouldn't I just use it? I'd likely die either way but I really think the hammer/shield combo would give me and most unskilled swordsman the better shot.

>>34888150
Sure charging with a hammer would work
You seem to think that samurais were the shit or something
They had horrible armor and katanas were only good for beheading
They mainly used spears so I would say that you have a pretty good chance to fuck his shit up if you get close
He wouldn't be able use his katana which means he cant do shit unless he has a a dagger or pokes your eyes out

>>34888180
I actually chose the samurai as an example because I know I'd probably be taller and more muscular and it's probably the only warrior I'd be able to take because of my complete lack of experience with swords or anything similar.

>>34887985
A 8 pound sledgehammer is too heavy and clumsy to make a proper weapon, but you could fight with one if desperate. Heavy hanners would be better served putting a hand just under the head and using the handle more then the head. Big, dramatic swings look good, but they are extremely dangerous.

>>34887852
Head of the hammer is WAY too big.
Hammer is not nearly long enough.
Hammer is lacking a spear point at the top.

0/10

>>34887852
>all that blur
WHY CANT
AMERICANS
TAKE
PHOTOGRAPHS

>>34888273
>implying the hammer doesn't vibrate

>>34887904
That's not Robert's Warhammer, he had one with potato mashing spikes on it.

>>34888292
>all the scenery is vibrating
>the man is vibrating
>the handle is vibrating
then why isnt the camera also vibrating in tune to everything else apparently vibrating?

why cant americans into film or photography?

>>34888311
No reject the hammer itself has dragonfire in it which causes it to vibrate like crazy which is why the hammer is so deadly. That's why it's blurry.

>>34888060
Swords don't cut through mail or armor. You can try to force the stabby end through weakpoints (gorget, armpit), but slashing at an armored opponent gets you exactly nowhere.

A Hammer, on the other hand, could seriously cripple a plate armored opponent if you can hit the joints of his armor - and a blow to the head will knock anyone down, the helmet just transfers the kinetic energy to your skull (if it's not top notch)

>>34887985
>a handheld sledgehammer?
Leave it to /k/ to be unhandy as fuck and know nothing about anything.

There are short-handled sledgehammers out there.

>>34888314
>it's got fire in it so it shakes
the sheer retardation of that aside, why is literally everything else in the photo so fucking blurry?

>>34888320
true, which is why greatswords exist and pikes and bows/crossbows/javelins dominated warfare basically everywhere on earth that hadnt seen guns yet

>>34888325
>the sheer retardation of that aside, why is literally everything else in the photo so fucking blurry?

There was a battle going on in this particular scene and everything was shaking. They were about to head outside and fight.

>>34888337
It's a modern television show.

Why couldn't they film it properly or encode it properly?

>>34888344
Trust me when I say the way they did it made it look better. It's like when they use old school technology to make modern films have a certain vibe to them and it actually really helped this scene.

>>34888349
Let me guess, this was a Game of Thrones scene and you're some fanboy cunt, yeah?

Fucking retarded media-enslaved yankees.

>>34888367
No! the blur added a sense of mystery and looming fear because you couldn't quite see anything and it really fit well. The show is actually pretty great.

>>34888373
>unironically watching ZOG trash
>>>/leftypol/

I've seen some hammer in my day and I don't know much but let me tell you all one thing I do know for sure about this kids hammer. You bring a hammer like that into any bar or tavern and you are going to get laid that night.

>>34888378
What's ZOG?

greatswords have even more reach to get stabby.

look at reenactments of german swordfighting techniques, most of their finishers have the combatant gripping the blade and forcing the point into the opponent.

back to warhammers:
gendry confirmed for wielder of ghal maraz

>>34888382
That automatically makes this weapon viable.

>>34888389
its some shit from superman, baiscally its the jews

>>34887932

You want the killing power to be on a smaller bit of metal, it will impart more damage that way.

>>34887861

"Those embellishments shall give you no advantage in combat, ser."

"Those are some fanciful strides. Did you see that on an adventurous tapestry?"

>>34888400
He's just making his weapon look cool man. You can't say modern people don't do the exact same thing with guns.

>>34887852

Not as useful as it would be in my arse

>>34888427
Exactly how useful would it be up there?

>>34888421
ITS A FUCKING MGS3 REFERENCE YOU FUCKING NEWFAG PIECE OF SHIT

>>34888441

It would be massaging my prostate so much that I would be spraying ejaculate with such a force it would pierce dragon hide.

>>34888445
What's MGS3?

>>34888473
>What's MGS3?

this is it

this is the face of the /pol/-/k/ hybrid child

this is nu-/k/

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>>34887852
No, it's a typical comically sized fantasy weapon. Pretty weird in a show where weapons were mostly realistic so far.

Head is far too big and heavy, even if it is hollow. That thing would be extremely unwieldy and slow.
Head is also unbalanced, combined with the rounded handle it would cause the whole thing to turn in his hand and he could end up hitting with the side.

It's two handed but barely longer than a single handed hammer. Since he's going to have trouble carrying that thing around (no way he'll hang it from his belt) he might as well go with a pole hammer like pic related and have reach.

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>>34888473

underageb& spotted

please go

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>>34888021
>I think a sword would be more proficient againts a samurai
You'd be wrong, there's a reason they developed striking weapons over there too. At minimum you're looking at chainmail over a series of silk robes in a fashion similar to mail & gambeson. Depending on circumstances the samurai you end up fighting may just be wearing modified Yuro armor.

>>34888400
kek

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>>34887852
>>34887861
It looks comically oversized and entirely impractical as a weapon for a normal human. I have a 20lb sledgehammer and I'm pretty sure the head would fit inside the head of that hammer.

>>34887985
Also shit. If you want to hit people with a hammer pick up one of those long Estwings or a modern piece based on a design that was actually used. Cold Steel's tomahawks aren't awful and the people who make them make a hammer so that hammer is probably not awful, you might want to start there.

>>34888495
>nu-/k/
>nu/k/
>nu/k/e
>nuke

>love deterrence plays softly in the background as big boss brainwashed another medic

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CAREFUL, JON. CAREFUL

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>>34888867

>>34888543
What if its re-enforced aluminum?
So its soft and light but rigid enough to cause wounds?

>>34888914
Nice, you actually made me laugh.

>>34888925
The problem is that aluminum is easy to produce if you have access to electricity, and nearly impossible to produce without it. That's why aluminum was extremely valuable before the second half of the 19th century, but is trivially cheap now. The upshot is that in medieval Westeros, getting enough aluminum together to make a hammer like that out of it would be nearly impossible.

>>34888940
I think if that hammer was hollow it would beat the shit out of people just fine and the spike would help against light armor.

>>34887873
Well then there's your answer. Hammers are still very useful for things like breaking down doors, but for actually fighting they're too limited.

>>34887932
>>34888397
The 'hammer' part is mostly there for weight, the pick portion is meant for piercing plate armor.

>>34888925
Reinforced*

>>34888940
I see. Thanks for the lesson btw, I didn't realize that making refined aluminum relied on electric current.

>>34887852
That hammer would be better served as Brienne of Tarth and her lesbian lover's butt plug.

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>>34887852
The design doesn't any fucking sense, so it didn't make the cut. Please surrender in your weapon.

>>34889039
I laughed.

>>34888115
>Ye but samurai armor is just fucking bamboo mainly
That's wrong

>>34888543
Correct. Warhammers' most important feature would be the spike- used to break through plated armour/chainmail. The "hammer" part would be used as melee to strike the head, might do very little unless victim didn't have a helmet.

>>34889039
If I recall correctly, didn't some of those embellishments fall off during the tests?

>>34887985
would be my go to weapon in a zombie apocalypse

>>34892520
not handheld i mean like a regular one

>>34888060
>If an opponent isnt wearing armor, you would have to land a pretty solid hit into someone before you could start hurting them.
Have you ever hit your finger with a hammer while trying to drive a nail into something? I did that one time I'm so glad all that happened was a little bruise showed up. I was kind of worried I might of hurt myself with that dinky little hammer like it was going to be something out of monty python but I couldn't even shout "t'is just a flesh wound" and started giggling once that puny bruise showed up.

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>>34887852
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iznCWqCC8RQ
Matt Easton beat you to it

The short answer is: not very.
They should have given him a poleaxe instead.

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Hammers are the go-to weapon for korean daughter fuckers.

>>34892423
You mean the part that was used to dismount cavalry?

>>34888389
Zionist Occupied Government

>>34887852
It wouldn't be. Too heavy. It only flies in a fantasy show, albeit barely but we take the ride because we understand the correlation between Gendry and Robert both using hammers while fighting alongside a Stark leader in a great war. It's not tactical, it's an accent of his character.

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DEX or STR, /k/?

>>34888139(You)(You)(You)

>>34892965
*poison ricard's behind you*

Too slow. Swords are effective because even a small hit can cause life threatening injuries.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gQv_mCNkAbo

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>>34893733

>>34887852
Looks like a dwarven warhammer. 2d6.

Baratheon men are know for retarded strength. His father King Robert was known for effortlessly using a hammer even larger than Gendry's. While in full plate.

in the real world. This hammer would tire you out after a few swings and leave you open as you recover from and set up the next swing.the lack of points on face of the hammer and the hammer face's rounded head would cause it to glance off targets, especially armored targets. so not all the energy would be imparted. your swings would also probably be slow. So you aren't hitting harder than a light hammer going faster.

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>>34888953

Warhammers were a very popular weapon, specially when every one started wearing plate. It could bash, it could penetrate with its good, trip, etc. That and a halbred were the go to weapons.

>>34892965
Arya's sword Sting is a thrusting weapon. Breinne's sword Oathkeeper is magical steel. So the big bitch could just break Sting.

>>34887852

In real life you'd never carry a hammer like that because it would be too heavy and difficult to wield. Real war hammers were generally much lighter. If the hammer in the show had been real, then that character would not have been able to swing it about as quickly as he did.

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>/k/-weapons
>where no one knows jack about anything other than how to Gucci their AR's and spend ass loads of money on gear they'll never use
Holy fuck this thread. Educate yourselves for fuck's sake.

>>34894977
I saw some weapon guy talk about that. Apparently the sort of sword that Arya has is strong enough to block Brienne's sword. Even though it can't cut, it can block and parry larger swords fine.

>>34887873
you should keep in mind he is a black smith and hammers arent so tire some when you dont have to stop them your self.

>>34888925
i believe its valerian steel, so it could have all sorts of properties.

>>34892442
yep, thats what two of those pieces are.

>>34894977
arya's dagger is valerian steel.

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>>34887852
Looks like he stole the warhead of a panzerfaust.

>>34895227
yes, but her sword is castleforged steel. which is one quality tier below.

I mean, I am a complete weakling and I was able to swing around a splitting maul that was maybe 60% that size, I don't think it's that crazy that someone could handle a hammer that size

>>34887873

I dunno, maybe there's some sorta magic at work. I mean, some houses have occasional magic abilities that pop up in certain members- the Starks have wargs every now and then, the Targaryens have draconic affinity and fire resistance- maybe the Baratheons have something similar that just makes them incredibly strong.

Or maybe it's just a silly show prop that they made really large so it'd be visually striking, I don't know.

>>34896210
They did say in the first season that he was abnormally strong for his age.

7 years later of constant hammer pounding. he may be strong enough. His father was described as one of the strongest men in the land.

he is described to "have inherited his fathers incredible strength.

so one can assume he is secretly on of the strongest characters, being that his father was consider one of the fiercest people to fight.

>>34889039
the way the asian dude is looking at it
>fuck fuck fuck just let me hit a big ol slab of meat with it already my dick has never been harder oh jesus

>>34888849

i heard screaming but i looked around for a baby

i realized it was me

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>>34888421

(You)

>>34888556
What do you mean underage? Mgs3 came out on the 3ds a few years ago :D

>>34889039
Fuckin binged that show on vacation, thanks for reminding me about it

>>34887852
Surface area of the contact surface, weights, and length of the moment arm (handle) are all factors effecting the force at head of the hammer.

A light head was used with a long arm since it was the most maneuverable and with a small striking head could pierce or crush bones.

Modern hammers are big since a nail is a snaller target than a human head. Small arms are used since compactness is more useful as a tool while having a long arm allowed you to grapple and parry certain weapons while delivering enough force to strike through plate armor while being lighter.

>>34896647
Big ass hammers still get used as tools for things like driving shafts in large machines, or driving things into the ground.

>>34892965
Why do they even bother showing arya parrying her, it's clearly impossible considering her weapon can't block any weapon larger than itself given the blade is so small and the guard is basically nonexistent.

Even if Arya had a normal sword to parry with, her small stature and inferior strength would mean she would just be overpowered anyways if she tried to block. She should have just dodged all the attacks, while it's obviously not realistic it's at least plausible unlike her block

Autism rant over

>>34896538
Where did you find the episodes?

>>34897089
muh gurl power

>>34893733
Swords are effective because they are good defensive weapons compared to polearms.

>>34887852
I laughed my ass off when I saw that stupid fucking hammer.

>>34894977
>Arya's sword Sting
Needle. Sting is from the Hobbit/Lord of the Rings.

>>34897089
Keep in mind that in that first match, Brienne was holding back.

>>34899096
I knew that was wrong, but it instinctively made me a little mad that I couldn't remember the dumbass name because I got Sting stuck in my head. Thank you

>>34898710
>Brienne is not a woman
what?

>>34888849
>>love deterrence
jesus christ you fucking newfag

every mgs after 3 is haraam

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>>34897089
>blocking
>parrying

fucking pick one already, learn the god damn difference. unrelated to your post but jesus dude i'm triggered

>>34892965
Arya fucked up by showing off in front of Littlefinger like that.

>>34894977
>Arya's sword Sting is a thrusting weapon
It's name is Needle.

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>>34887852
Useless. "Warhammers" are useless when spears and polearms exist. That thing he's holding would be way too heavy to be practical in combat and it looks too short.

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How useful would this sword be in actual combat?

>>34900529
I wonder if hafthor bjornsson or guys like him would be able to swing it once or twice.

Personally I think the handle would bend just under the weight of the blade.

>>34887852
way to mucg heavy unless it's aluminium in which case it is probably too soft or does not have enough pressure to cause significant damage besides direct neck and head shots.

>>34900529
i guess you could drop it on someone's head in a siege

>>34900548
It's roughly tent times the weight of a normal sword, so you'll need someone ten times the strength, and probably at least five times the weight, of a normal person to swing it a functional way.

>>34900905
>ten
Try a hundred.
https://www.albion-swords.com/swords/albion/nextgen/sword-medieval-danish-2-hander.htm

That's a huge sword, and it's only 4lbs 10oz.

>>34900905
I just mean like lift it and smash some target with it or something.

>>34892552
What i meant is that if someone is trying to dodge you, and you are swinging at an arm or other part of the body that is moving away fron you. If they stand still, it would be hard to not get a solid hit.

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>>34887852
Mathematically, if that was SOLID steel, it would weigh at least 50 - 60lbs. Not exactly a quick and efficient weapon realistically.

Pic related however is what was used historically to deal with knights and heavily armored infantry. It's comparatively light at 10 lbs and the thinner and longer spike means a smaller surface area for better penetration.

>>34898694
They are free on their website.

>>34887852
If you were strong enough to wield it, maybe

But you were strong enough to lift and swing what looks like 40lbs around, you're already the Mountain and you'd be better off with a zweihander

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>>34901345
>But you were strong enough to lift and swing what looks like 40lbs around, you're already the Mountain and you'd be better off with a zweihander

Nigga you don't need to be particularly strong to wield any sword, even the biggest
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtT3sjO0ocU&

Now as a HEMAfag, allow me to educate you:
If you need to be especially strong to wield a melee weapon, it's a shit melee weapon.
It doesn't take much to kill or at least incapacitate a human - weapons were made to be as light as you could feasibly get away with, even those that relied on blunt impact.

>>34887852
Waaay too heavy.

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you faggots have never heard of the indian fighting style: Gada.