NYC drops all pretenses: city no longer renewing ANY ccw permits

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>>34884976
Isn't that what these fucks are doing?

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It's time

>NYC not renewing permits
Good. I mean, fuck 'em for banning guns, but fuck 'em twice for issuing permits only to the well connected.

Let Mr. I-know-a-senator, I-know-a-cop, and I'm-the-guy-with-the-hair-from-reality-TV suffer along with the plebs. No special privileges.

Jesus christ what a shithole.

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>>34884937
"xd state's rights are a thing until they inconvenience us!"

/k/ is the most inconsistent group of fucks that exist.

support the 2nd amendment but destroy the 10th one.

>>34884937
The only people this will affect are the rich and famous. The average Joe Blow can't get a CWP in NYC, so it's not like much is lost.

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>>34884937
>durr go to /pol/
You must not defend against arab rape squads that are getting imported in 2018.

>>34885554
Who'd want to rape an Arab?

So I guess Donald Trump is fucked then? Cause doesn't he have an NYC CWP?

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>>34885572
Its sad to know this many people on /k/ are this retarded.

>>34885586
Well he's not gonna have protection once he's done being President. So he could make good use of a CWP.

>>34885604
>Well he's not gonna have protection once he's done being President
The Secret Service protects former presidents, too, but his CC is still going poof.

>>34885604
Guy he could go to any state he wants

>>34885521
The state doesn't override the constitution. There's no conflict. I don't even mind these connected fucks being in the same boat as the unwashed masses. I'm just stunned at how brazen NYC is about this. They're not even pretending you can get a ccw there anymore. That's unconstitutional as fuck.

>>34885572
Donald Trump and his family are protected by the Secret Service at all times and even after his term(s) are over they will be still protected by the Secret Service.

He likely doesn't give a shit. I can't blame him. If I had a team of the best people in the world protecting me and my family I would probably stop carrying a gun every day.

>>34885604
He and his family will have secret service protection for life

>>34884937
careful with that edge, lad

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>>34884976
But they do want guns, for themselves and the police only.

Lots of anti-gun politicians have CC permits, including Dianne Kikestein.

>>34885604
> once he's done being President
but thats 7 years away

>>34885572

>implying his private security would allow NYPD to get anywhere near him to see if he's "illegally carrying"

>>34885637
Incorrect, SS protection is only 10 years after they depart office now. It USED to be for life, but thats no longer the case.

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>>34885724

It's amazing what smug faggots people like you can be when they're talking about things they're clueless about

Behold, you're my fuckboi now
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Former_Presidents_Act

>>34885521
New York city is not a state. You want to state's right? Then tell cities to follow state laws instead of creating their own.

>>34885521
The states have a right to legislate within the boundaries set by the constitution.

The second amendment is a boundary set in the constitution. Rights protected by the constitution are supposed to be protected from meddling by all levels of government.

>>34885572
Rich New Yorkers do not care about guns, how is this not obvious by now?

>>34885724
Even if it's only 10 years, dude is 70, he'll be 78 when he leaves office, 88 when his protection runs out according to you.

I think he's probably got the money to cover whatever's left.

>>34885724
It was like that for awhile, then they switched it back.

>>34886861
Hell, even then, the 10th Amendment reads "...reserved to the States respectively, OR TO THE PEOPLE".

>>34885521
so we can destroy the 14th? Because I'm pretty sure you fags get all butthurt about that, even if it was just one state.

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>>34886861
Wrong. States, counties and cities have no authority over Constitutional rights. They cannot impose restrictions on liberties in the Bill of Rights. The Bill of Rights prohibits governments on any level from infringing on those liberties. Period.

SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED

The 10th authorizes the States or lesser jurisdictions to maintain their own laws, outside of the Constitutional rights, they make and enforce what laws they please. Again, as long as it does NOT violate the Constitution. These jurisdictions have usurped authority for themselves that they do not have.

You're also under the ridiculous impression that governments have rights. Governments don't have rights. The People have rights and the government is prohibited from taking those rights away (as per our supreme law, the Constitution).

>>34889210
>Again, as long as it does NOT violate the Constitution.
>Literally Bans CCW permits by discontinuing renewals and discontinuing the issuing of CCW permits
>Infringes on the rights of citizens from obtaining proper firearms by setting dissuading regulations and allowing features bans that makes holding of a firearm dangerous and unstable
>Restricts the right of self defense
>Not a violation of the 2nd Amendment and Heller vs DC
>HERPA A DERP MUH 10th
So you're telling me that the state has the right to violate the second amendment because it's protected by the 10th?

>>34885622
>his CC is still going poof.

>Trump writes "NATIONAL CC PERMIT"- signed and authorized by the POTUS" on a napkin
>Keeps it with him.
Let's be honest, who would stop him?

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>>34889256
I think you replied to the wrong post, dude. I literally just said states have no authority over Constitutional issues, including the 2nd amendment. They cannot regulate or ban ANYTHING.

>>34889281
All he needs to do is write and sign an Executive Order preempting all 2nd Amendment issues to the federal government and send in the feds to arrest any official in whatever lesser jurisdiction that tries violating it on civil rights violation charges. The court precedents have already been set repeatedly across the country and the 2nd is extremely clear. What NYC just did is sedition.

It's time to just say "fuck it" and take the damn cake back.

>>34889315
Whoops, my bad

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>>34884937

>>34885724
Obama changed it to life

>>34885572
they would give it to him anyway. You think the police chief is going to say "no" to a president?

The second amendment gives the right to bear arms but does it give the right to conceal them?

>>34889732
>The second amendment gives the right to bear arms
No it doesn't

>>34889807
>A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed
>right to...bear arms

>>34884937
Who needs bullets for NYC when you have 747's. Please God crash more into NYC.

Source: American

>>34889863
Yes, it's a right we naturally have. 2A doesn't give us that right, it's our God given right.

>>34889492
Sauce on the pic?

>>34889884
God doesn't draft write government legislation.
Even so you still haven't answered the question.

>>34889732
Concealing a weapon upon your person is a natural extension of your right to keep and bear them. How can you reasonably presume your right to keep and bear arms will be honored if you can't even keep weapons on your person?

>>34889900
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gixjzzo-rt8

>>34889907
You can keep weapons on your person without concealing them.

>>34889919
I'm not allowed to open carry tho

>>34885521
McDonald v Chicago.

>The Supreme Court reversed the Seventh Circuit, holding that the Fourteenth Amendment makes the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms for the purpose of self-defense applicable to the states.

>>34889315
>all 2nd amendment issues to the feds
Fucking awful idea. What if another dem gets in power? You can kiss your fun rights goodbye

>>34890067
Why not?

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>>34885521

>Cities are states.

>>34885630

>I'm just stunned at how brazen NYC is about this. They're not even pretending you can get a ccw there anymore. That's unconstitutional as fuck.

Yep. Its already been ruled that if we're gonna have a permit system, you can't just flat out refuse to issue any. This is settled law.

The last administration sharpened the DOJ civil rights division into a political weapon, and this looks like a great opportunity to use it as one. Sick them on NYC and let it rain federal indictments. Can't wait to see a bunch of crying politicians grasp that they may go to prison.

>>34889210

Makes sense to me, but remember that the supreme court has come up with this retarded system where states are not beholden until that particular right is incorporated via case law.

This was a big argument around 2A during the last decade. Post Heller v DC, the anti chant was that SCOTUS didn't incorporate 2A so it didn't apply to the states. It wasn't until McDonald v Chicago that SCOTUS incorporated 2A rights and put an end to it. Fucking pants on head retarded.

>>34890094

Then the worst they could do is refuse to uphold the constitution. They can't undo SCOTUS decisions, like you seem to be implying.

>>34885521
States rights cannot abridge individual rights guaranteed by the constitution.

>>34890112
Liberals? Not sure what you were expecting.

>>34890381
But anon...they can. It's part of the checks and balances.

It's a pain in the ass, but it's possible.

>>34890554
Or, like many of our politicians, they simply won't care what the Supreme Court says and will fuck us anyway. Just look at California and New York.

>>34890276


This would be a great idea. If you violate someone's constitutional rights as a public servant you can be held personally liable.

Start holding these people personally liable. Do this with the anti-gunners and also with these college kangaroo courts.

>>34885572
I thought I saw a document that showed he has one for a USP .45 compact

>>34890603
This would fix the government overnight. Want to run for office?

>>34884937
Serious question, what is it going to take for there to be a violent revolt? Will it take someone to champion the cause or what will be the one straw to break the back in these states? Or will people just whimper and lay down and take it?

>>34890554

The executive branch has no authority to countermand the supreme court. They can refuse to stop NYC from violating 2A rights, but they cannot tell Florida that they must ban guns.

In a pre-Heller/McDonald world, you'd be right that we should be nervous because there were no settled 2A protections. But at this point, they cannot undo that. The executive branch can cry all they want and states can tell them to fuck off, because without the legislature to enforce executive will, there's nothing they can do.

>>34890541
There aren't any states that don't allow open carry though.

>>34890723
With today's society, my guess is a real martyr. Look at how the country gets all up in arms over half of the false martyrs, imagine what a real one would inspire.

>>34890765
I don't know gun owner's do tend to be rightwing, and it seems like only the leftwing goes into a fervor over a 'martyr' nowadays. The rightwing tend to fall into the rule of law.

>>34890788
I guess that is because there has yet to be a martyr that we could get behind on our side. All we need is some young guy or girl with high potential to get shot during a mandatory home examination and we have our martyr.

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>>34890744
Then explain this

>>34890850
Non American, reading the thread because these laws are interesting.
What's constitutional carry?
The image seems to imply it's less regulated than licensed concealed carry, unlicensed open carry so would I be right in saying it's unlicensed open and concealed carry?

>>34890875
That there doesn't need to be any laws permitting or forbidding your right to carry a gun because the 2nd amendment of the 'constitution' 'does not infringe' on your right to carry a gun. This includes not requiring a licence or permit to carry, open or concealed.

>>34890875
Constitutional carry pretty much means it's your right to open carry what ever the fuck you want without a license

>>34890900
>>34890897
Thanks.

>>34890850
This is outdated, California does allow open carry.
Florida allows it at home and at work.
Long guns are legal to carry in New York and SC.
The only place that fully prohibits is Illinois

NYC is a 15% or below white city

Why would any non-american, which all non-whites are, care about the constitution? It is not truly theirs. They are foreigners.

Lotta blue pilled idiots on /k/ need to wake up about the importance of demographics.

>>34884937
I'm starting to believe rights don't exist, only privileges.

>>34890850
Didn't North Dakota pass a constitutional carry law not too long ago? Or am I imagining things

>>34886893
You really think his retarded ass is getting a 2nd term? Maybe if he did anything he campaigned on, but not now.

>>34890927
So you're gonna carry a long gun on you for protection all the time?

>>34890743
Right, I wasn't thinking earlier because i hadn't had coffee.

Consider that it is post Heller and McDonald. Consider also that the 10th upholds the 2nd, and that the 2nd (by extension) prohibits the banning, in either effect or affect, of personal firearms and retention of firearms on a person's person.

What an EO can do is clarify and dictate to rebellious states that the abovementioned rights are inviolable, no?

>>34890927
>This is outdated, California does allow open carry.
Under very certain circumstances. People say that you can open carry in unincorporated areas, but only if you aren't near a roadway or building or utility lines.

Effectively you can only open carry innawoods.

>>34891155
Did I say that I would?
That is immaterial to the topic being discussed.

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>>34891132

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RIP

>>34891132
>the left goes full retard and doubles down on the same stupid shit that won him the presidency the first time
>"It'll work this time guys"
Trump didn't win because people thought he would actually pull off half the things he promised, he won because people are frankly scared by the shit the left was pulling and decided that at the Republicans were the lesser of two evils. This is the same reason Republicans won the Legislature majority even without the insane rhetoric.

>>34892066
The age of Trump has been fantastic. The sheer meltdown and unmasking of the left is amazing. They'be done nothing but high pitched screaming to the point people don't listen to them anymore.

>>34889863
Lad, did you actually read that? It doesn't say "You are allowed to have a gun." It says "Nobody is allowed to fuck with your right to have a gun." You already had that right.

>>34892159
The lawyers and SCOTUS disagree with you, and the Constitution explicitly gives them the power to interpret law.

>>34892189
What's there to interpret? It clearly states that your right to bear arms shall not be infringed.

>>34891979
>HEB coffee
I'm brand loyal as hell to HEB, but I can't stand their coffee.

>>34884937
This is actually a great thing. If you're going to ban guns, ban them for everyone, including private armed security. Don't ban guns but allow the ultra wealthy to to get CCWs so they can feel comfortable, that's fucking bullshit. Maybe if the rich start feeling feeling unsafe we can actually get some real change going in NYC.

>>34892221
What constitutes infringement? What constitutes arms?
Those have legal definitions that do not always match the dictionary definition. Even the placement of commas is important in law.
That is what the judicial branch ultimately determines.

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>>34891037
So you're starting to wake up.

>>34892267
Yeah, too bad Jamal doesn't give a fuck about any laws concerning use of firearms when he's mugging your dumb ass

>>34891155
If that was my only legal option? Yes.

This is a good thing in disguise.

By not issuing any permit renewals they are opening themselves up to be sued on 2A grounds. No open carry and no concealed carry isn't legal. Paying lip service by having an extremely non-permissive may carry scheme protected them from this in the past, but if they issue no permits then that may go out the window.

>>34884937
I can't wait for national reciprocity to pass so these faggots get get triple ultimate final form butthurt when everyone can carry in their precious city.

>>34892575
This, per the Heller decision they are not in compliance with SCOTUS opinion and are wide open to a court challenge they will likely lose.

>>34892604
Yep. There's a law journal article which makes (imo) a decent case that the laws back then (2012) were already unlikely to survive a challenge. IDK what they are thinking. Unless they're hoping for a reversal of heller, which seems unlikely without a significant changeup in the lineup.

I hope our brothers in the empire state (even the fucks in NYC) get some rights back.

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>>34892579

Funny thing happened; the day before that was up for vote a leftist shot up some Republican congressmen and not a peep has been heard about it since.

>>34892635
Selective media bias.

>>34892569
carry a long gun in nyc.

Kek.

Nope carrying a paintball gun is enough to (theoretically) earn you jailtime.

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>>34892649
>carry a long gun in nyc.
Holy fuck I didn't want to believe you. Just looked it up. I had no idea things were this bad. Even antiques need to be registered.

>>34891132
What? What hasn't he done that he promised?

Are you talking the wall that just got funding, or how hard he has been on China or how he's begun proposing sane immigration reform or how he attempted healthcare reform or how he has begun proposing some rather lengthy and substantial tax reform? What hasn't the fucker done that he said he would, I remember hearing a lefty outlet complaining about how he has done almost everything he promised to.

>>34892066
Dude just imagine his re-election ads with shit in the last year. Clips from all the leftist violence, attacking cops, senators, and their riots. Interspersed with his official statements condemning violence on all sides.

The media's current blind eye to Antifa will just make it worse. Plenty of middle of the road types will go "holy fuck" and vote accordingly.

>>34892620
Any Scotus decision on NYC will have nationwide implications in places like CA.

The anti-2A fools seemingly have no strategy or forsight. They don't understand that the more restrictive and ridiculous laws they pass, the stronger the case against them and the easier it is for them to lose it all when it inevitably comes to a court decision.

>>34892282
If you can't get a gun legally anywhere in the country it becomes that much harder to get a gun illegally too.
The illegal gun supply comes 100% from legally available sources such as 80% frames or just from across the state line.

>>34890927
>california allows open carry

no...no they dont.

only time you can carry a weapon is if you are actively hunting or fishing. cops might look the other way if you are hiking in a remote area but other than that no carrying. you can carry in your camp though because it is considered a temporary home.

source: southern california hunter

>>34892772
sorry, congressmen.

>>34892715
Is Mexico paying for that wall?
Is locking out registered immigrants based on their birthplace sane?

>>34892785
>it doesn't allow open carry except where it allows open carry

>>34892715
Literally nothing he promised has been accomplished. He doesn't get any points for "trying".

Obama got shit for years for trying to do things and failing. Trump will be no different, especially considering he has both houses (theoretically) behind him.

This is going to be a president known for being sidetracked and completely neutralized by constant media faux pas of his own creation.

After 4 years he's going to have a hell of a time running on any platform of getting things done for another 4 years when his own party won't vote with him, he hasn't accomplished anything, and everyone sick of hearing about how his foot is constantly in his mouth.

>>34892790
What are tariffs, what is fuck off jihad scum. I'd rather become Mexico 2.0 then have a whole host of goat fuckers come into my beautiful country.

The list of locked countries was made by Barack Obama.

>>34892779
That's why banning drugs makes people stop using them.

>>34892779
>The illegal gun supply comes 100% from legally available sources such as 80% frames
Show me the multitude of data about criminals machining and crimes being committed with 80% receivers.

>>34892831
>Literally nothing he promised has been accomplished.

Pretty hard to accomplish anything when Democrats are obstructing anything you do, and when your own party in the Senate can't agree on anything.

>>34892794
The limits on open carry in CA are so restrictive it may as well not exist.

>>34892854
That excuse didn't fly with Obama and the Republicans.
It certainly won't work for Trump and the Democrats. Especially considering Republicans hold both houses.

>>34892794
because you can carry under 2 very specific circumstances that means you can open carry anytime and anywhere you want, you're a idiot. with that kind of logic every state has both concealed and open carry because you can hunt in every fucking state and no one should be bitching about anything.

>>34892715
He may not have promised it but as a bonus he stood up to Kim and Kim backed down.

>>34892774
>The anti-2A fools seemingly have no strategy or forsight

>when it inevitably comes to a court decision

Their plan was for SCOTUS to become anti-2A. Trump was a little setback but they will succeed soon.

>>34892866
The House was able to pass a healthcare bill, but the Senate couldn't. I'd say there's more problems with the Senate than the House, but that's probably because their majority is thinner in the Senate.

And yeah, the GOP obstructed Obama too. Whether their obstruction was worse than the Democrats are now is academic.

US is pretty much ungovernable at this point, because obstructionism is the norm now.

>>34892894
>Trump was a little setback but they will succeed soon.
No. The past 20 years we have had an extremely conservative SCOTUS. Even with Scallia gone we are still in very good shape with the court.

And with The U.S. picking Trump over a gun grabber like Hillary we are in pretty good shape.

Only thing that could derail is Trump fucking up so hard that people are turned off by a republican president for a decade after like they were after W Bush.

>>34892872
That was part of hard on china

>>34892896
>I'd say there's more problems with the Senate than the House
Repubs have the Senate too.

There is essentially no excuse for Trump not getting things done other than he is unable to rally his party effectively to get shit done. This is a major failing as a president.

And with the past week, he doesn't look like he's doing anything to bring Repubs behind him for the forseeable future to get anything done.

Looks like he's perfectly happy to distance himself from Repubs and Dems and become legislatively ineffectual leader.

>>34892872
Norks backed down because China backed out support (and not just saying they were).

Could be argued that China was motivated by the threat of escalation, but it wasn't the Norks who backed down out of survival self interest and tough talk tweets.
They aren't that smart.

>>34892988
>Repubs have the Senate too.

Yeah, that's what I said. They have both the House and Senate, but that they seem to have more of a problem in the Senate because their majority is thinner there.

It's also easier for Representatives to vote on something knowing that they only represent a district. A Senator represents an entire state.

Trump is an example of why electing an outsider is a bad idea. He essentially ran against both parties, so neither party really wants to work with him.

>>34893093
I see.

In that case I completely agree.

Really the only advantage I can see from this president is the possibility that he could sign National reciprocity and that he's not going to put forward any Anti-2A legislation like Hillary or Bernie would have.

I just hoe Trumps presidency, however short, doesn't sour America's appetite for a conservative leadership and cause a rebound effect where we go deep blue at a federal and state level for 10+ years. That would seriously hurt individual rights, possibly irreparably.

>>34892988
>run on what republicans ran on bit with attitude
>republicans bitch out because for once they have to back it up
As president's job is to manage the exvutive branch, any failure for basic shit like ACA repeal or tax reform is squarely on the House and Senete.

>>34892842
Drugs are MUCH easier to smuggle and make than functional firearms and ammunition
>>34892848
>ignoring half a sentence
Nice selective baiting

>>34893140
It's hard to say whether Trump's tenure could sour peoples' taste for a conservative government.

Remember, the increasing partisanship and polarization means people have effectively drawn lines in the sand over politics. Dems/Liberals will never vote Republican, and vice versa for Repubs/conservatives.

Independents/moderates might get so disgusted with both parties that they might not vote at all. That, or they'll just vote for more outsider candidates like Trump.

The future for the US is looking pretty bleak to me, either way.

>>34892620
They're probably in turtle mode due to *surprise surprise* their ccw scheme inviting a fuckload of corruption

>>34893174
You cited 80%'s as the only example to back up your point.

I'm asking for the data to back up your inclusion of 80%'s in your point.

>>34893212
>or from just across the state line

>>34890121
I mean, NYC almost universally considered its own thing. It's literally a city state at this point.

All the more reason to take it down a notch.

>>34893232
But that's false as well anon.

To buy a firearm out of state you need a background check.
Buying without a background check through an FFL is illegal.

Private party transfers (without a background check, so called "gun show loophole") to someone out of state is also illegal.

The vast majority of people selling guns at gun shows are FFL's anyway, which are required to do a background check on you before they sell a firearm regardless of whether your from out of state or not.

Someone going and buying a gun across state lines without a background check is not a legal method of acquiring a weapon.

Firearms constructed from 80% receivers are not even a fraction of a fraction of total committed crime.

Thus rendering your claim here:
>>34892779
>The illegal gun supply comes 100% from legally available sources such as 80% frames or just from across the state line.
Completely incorrect.

80% are not even a minor source of firearm crime
Legal cross state-line firearm sales are no different from in-state firearm sales. If they are different, they are not legal.

>>34893252
Glass the city.

>>34893301
The guns come from legal sources, which then make illegal sales. IE. Jim Bob selling his rifle to the neighbor under the table
Or a shipment being hacked
It is a simple fact that without a market for guns, fewer are in circulation, fewer are produced, and it is much harder to find an opportunity to "acquire" one.
This is why you rarely see anybody with a coca plant in their garden but marijuana is ubiquitous.

>>34893370
*hijacked

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>>34893350
Brb cumming

>>34889509
Probably because he knew someone was waiting for his SS coverage to expire.

>>34893370
not him but
>legal sources, which then make illegal sales. IE. Jim Bob selling his rifle to the neighbor under the table

The majority of crime guns are acquired through street sources or family members. Both are committing serious crimes to do so but they are almost never prosecuted for it. The majority of the rest come from FFLs. A very small minority of gun stores provide the vast majority of crime guns. This is highly suspicious and quite possibly also illegal but again, prosecutors do not typically pursue charges. A classic example would be the whole gary indiana thing.

>It is a simple fact that without a market for guns, fewer are in circulation, fewer are produced, and it is much harder to find an opportunity to "acquire" one.
Yea, all you'd have to do is effectively remove the 300+million guns currently in circulation and then play whackamole with the new cottage industry of illegal firearms manufacturing. Neither of which are likely. Then you'll have the joy of achieving UK/Aus level gun control, presumably resulting in the classic gun violence to knife violence switch seen in those countries. Over all homicide rates stay the same but the frequency of knife murders and gun murders switches places. Expect ~60% of homicides to involve knives and 20-30% to involve firearms.

Now we can all relax knowing that all we had to give up was our only effective means of SD for no change in the murder rate.

>>34893174
oh yeah, derringers and sawed of shotguns. Sooooo hard to smuggle. So much harder than literal tons of weed, meth, and cocaine. And ammo? Oh god they shoot soooo much, not just a few rounds here and there to show off and murder. Primers are sooooo big and black powder isn't doable with a middle school education.

Does it hurt being that retarded? I have to think it does.

>watch as I switch to "assault rifles" despite their lack of prevalence in crime

>>34892866
>That excuse didn't fly with Obama
except it literally did when he was reelected

>>34893487
Those components would be harder to find and smuggle as well, because there would be fewer of them and their transportation more tightly controlled.
How many gun crimes happen in Australia again?

>>34893370
>rarely see anybody with a coca plant in their garden but marijuana is ubiquitous.
no, you don't see coca plants becasue of the quantity of plants needed and the (somewhat) difficult and very conspicuous cehmicals used to refine the leaf into paste.

plz stop, you've been BTFO multiple times now by multiple anons

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I can't wait to bail out of this god awful city and job.
Most cops I work with are alright, but then you have this shit
>better lock up grandpa because he has an evil assault MAS-49 with his old durr rifles
God damn disgrace. Fucking shameful.

>>34893543
>>34893543
Not him but
>How many gun crimes happen in Australia again?

fallacious and stupid argument. Australia has never experienced a reduction in overall crime correlatable to the passage of a gun control law. Feel free to look it up on your own if you want, Aus fags have a number of Gov websites out there with crime stats on them. Of course that doesn't stop some politicians from trying to suggest that other reductions in crime were a result of gun control laws and creating cherry picked arguments to try to support their views.

Any semi competent analysis of Australian crime stats shows that their only accomplishment was changing how many homicides are committed with knives instead of guns. Overall violent crime stayed the same.

>>34889315
This is how you start civil war 2.

>>34893615
>reduction in overall crime
>overall

>hurr the gun crime dropped though

NYT had a fucking op-ed about this last month and it really activated my almonds. such a disingenuous and intellectually dishonest shitpost that had the readers circle jerking for dozens of comments

fucking triggered

>>34893615
If you can't figure out why knife killings are better than gun killings you might need a refresher on ballistics

>>34893179
it's easy to say that the media has absolutely destroyed any credibility they have

Trump turned a shitload of blue states red and all I'm hearing from his supporters that that they are disgusted with the media and the democrats and that they support him more now.

calling everyone who voted for him a nazi isn't helping their cause

>>34893675
dead is dead

and now Australian gangs are making their own submachineguns

>>34893675
You might really be retarded.

>you might need a refresher on ballistics

I've taken shit's that knew more about ballistics than you.

>If you can't figure out why knife killings are better than gun killings

Wow, so you admit that gun control doesn't actually reduce crime and that it simply changes what weapons people choose to employ?

I can already feel the
>buh-buh you're more likely to survive a knifing than a shooting

Not true. Otherwise the overall homicide rate would have dropped as the proportion of unsuccessful homicides increased due to the increased prevalence of knife usage. The fact that overall homicide stays the same strongly indicates that not being able to acquire a gun doesn't reduce the likelihood of a homicide being successful.

Food for thought. The mortality rate for a single uncomplicated knife wound to the thoracic cavity is significantly higher than a single uncomplicated gunshot wound(30% vs 20% iirc) too.

>>34884937
>tfw my father just literally renewed his license like 3 months ago
you are a fucking retard

>>34890743
Except the circuit courts flat-out ignore Heller.

>>34893757
You're less likely to have an unintended victim with a knife killing
And a knife fight at least tips the favor toward the victim's side a little bit

>>34885508
>he thinks the well connected aren't still going to get CC permits
HAHAHAHAHA
this is just fucking over the handful of people who aren't well connected who still put up with the absolute bullshit it takes to get a CC permits there

>>34893543
steel tubing will be harder to find? In mexico? Do you have any idea how simple break actions are? Hell and Black Powder (will cover most current criminal applications) you don't even need steel.

Just because you'd be at a loss how to commit a murder doesn't mean that the criminals won't figure it out.

>>34893845
But it stops the dumber criminals from doing it, which is a net reduction in crimes.
Any retard can pass a background check and shoot the man who cucked him the way things are now.

>>34893370
>The guns come from legal sources, which then make illegal sales.
If a gun is sold illegally. it is not from a legal source, by definition.

>Jim Bob selling his rifle to the neighbor under the table
This is entirely legal depending on state.

>Or a shipment being hacked
Stolen firearms are not a legal source. Sealing is illegal.

>It is a simple fact that without a market for guns
Irrelevant point. There will always be a market for guns in the U.S.
This is like saying if there were no market for cars there would be less cars and less car accidents. There will always be a market for cars.

>This is why you rarely see anybody with a coca plant in their garden but marijuana is ubiquitous.
No, the reason you see marijuana plants far mroe than coca is because doca plants require a very specific climate to grow and require extensive processing and large bulk amounts of plant matter to pull any meaningful amount or quality of illicit substance from.
Not something that is achievable in a back yard operation.

Any retard with a pair of scissors can process a marijuana plant and pull appreciable amounts of usable substance.

>>34893920
so they're smart enough to buy one thing illegal they want (drugs) but not to buy another thing illegal they want (guns)?

Dude you have no argument. Admit it. "guns scare me and I want fewer of them" is what it boils down to for you.

>>34893370
The consistution exists, has been tested in the supreme court and has been reinforced with a decision that acknowledges the protected inalienable right of possession of a firearm.

Saying "if there was no demand" is retarded. There is and always will be a demand so long as the BoR is part of the consitutions barring an amendment to remove the 2nd. Good luck libtard.

>>34893675
Please explain to me how someone dying by knife is any better or worse than someone dying by gun.

Then explain how the fuck this has anything to do with ballistics.

>>34893831
You've never seen a knife attack before have you?

>>34893960
Every gun is legal - until it's not.
If there are fewer legal sources, there are fewer illegal sources
There would not be such a large market if they were illegal, or otherwise more difficult to obtain because there would for obvious reasons be fewer sales.
I'm not sure why gun enthusiasts aren't for preventing morons and retards from getting guns and shooting themselves or someone else. They are what gives ammo to the notion that gun ownership leads to more deaths.

>>34894006
Barrier to entry. It is undeniably much easier to kill with a gun rather than a knife. A knife fight gives a victim more of a chance to fight back and gives LEOs a better chance of tracking down the perp.

>>34894063
>Every gun is legal - until it's not.
So calling a not legal source a legal source is wrong. It's an illegal source if it's not a legal source anon. What is difficult to understand about this?

>If there are fewer legal sources, there are fewer illegal sources
This is an unsubstantiated claim. And it fails simple logic.

If all legal sources of firearms were eliminated and made illegal tomorrow. Do you think the number of illegal sources of firearms would increase or decrease?

Obviously they would increase rendering the entire premise behind your argument invalid.

>I'm not sure why gun enthusiasts aren't for preventing morons and retards from getting guns and shooting themselves or someone else.
Because it's their constitutionally protected right to do so. People have the right to own a firearm,and some of them will be morons who do moronic things with their firearm.
Your solution of taking guns away from people because they might possibly do somethign stupid with one fails basic logic and could easily be applied to any number of 'dangerous' things. Morons can hurt themselves or others with knives, cars, staplers, and hugboxes. Should we take these things away too because the possibilities scare us?

>>34894078
that's not what you said. you said someone dying from a gun is somehow worse than someone dying by knife. Validate this assertion.

>It is undeniably much easier to kill with a gun rather than a knife.
This is not undeniable. See:
>>34893757

>A knife fight gives a victim more of a chance to fight back
A person stands absolutely no chance against a knife wielding assailant, you have no idea what you are talking about. Especially considering most knife attacks (and firearm attacks) are surprise attacks.

Watch some actual knife attacks and tell me how you would be able to "stand a chance" against someone violently and repeatedly stabbing you in the abdomen and neck.

>gives LEOs a better chance of tracking down the perp.
This is also completely wrong.
Most semi-automatic firearms leave behind a nice little brass calling card, usually with finger prints on it. They also leave behind a projectile that can be ballistically matched to the barrel from which it was shot.

At best with a knife you can determine the size/shape of a stab wound and sort of match it to a similar-ish blade, if you're lucky. Or hope for someone stupid enough not to eliminate DNA evidence and not discard the blade.

>>34894063
And how would you make it more difficult to obtain guns?

>>34894078
You're talking about knife killing. How does a dead victim fight back? Did you mean knife attacks to gun attacks? Let's say you were. Ok, why would you assume someone attacking with a knife would attack head on and give their victim a chance to fight back? Someone jumps me from behind and plunges a knife into my chest or slits my throat. Wow, I had such a fighting chance.

>>34893831
>you're less likely to have an unintended victim with a knife killing
If less people were dying then less people would be dying. Your feelings don't change reality. No change in homicide numbers means that no change happened. Either so few of these occurred in the first place that them disappearing was statistically immeasurable or they still happened. probably a little of both.

>And a knife fight at least tips the favor toward the victim's side a little bit

Not really. a Knife fight is when both people have a knife. A murder with a knife is totally different. Maybe you should try doing a little research sometime instead of constructing an argument based solely upon your feelings and what you "think" the world is like.

IF PEOPLE WERE SIGNIFICANTLY LESS LIKELY TO DIE FROM A KNIFING THAN A SHOOTING THEN FEWER PEOPLE WOULD HAVE DIED

It's like talking to a fucking brick wall.

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>>34889315

>>34894167
When did I say dying from a gun is worse? Quote it.

>>34894175
Background checks as we already do. Ideally with more people so that the checks happen faster.
Require safety training or require to pass a proficiency test.

>>34894322
Where I fucking quoted you
see:
>>34893675
>If you can't figure out why knife killings are better than gun killings you might need a refresher on ballistics
>knife killings are better than gun killings

>>34891037
in reality, the only rights you have are those granted to you by the nation-state. this is like the first day of polisci 101

>>34891037
welcome to the current year

>>34894345
I didn't say that dying is better, but that the use of a knife is better because there's no such thing as over penetration or accidentally knifing a kid

>>34894506
>I didn't say that dying is better
You literally said:
>knife killings are better than gun killings

This is bullshit.

>there's no such thing as over penetration or accidentally knifing a kid
Post the statistics of kids unintentionally being killed by firearm over penetration to prove this is the issue you are making it out to me.

>>34893920
>But it stops the dumber criminals from doing it, which is a net reduction in crimes.
Wrong. Smart criminal makes pipe guns and simple break actions, dumb criminals buy these to commit their crimes.
A slamfire pipe shotgun can be made by anyone who isn't a complete retard, by the way. Are you saying you're too dumb to figure out how to put two pipes and a nail together?

>>34894564
Dumb criminals steal their cousin's gun, they don't find someone making illicit weapons.
>>34894531
You literally read half the post, read again.

>>34894636
>You literally read half the post, read again.
I literally quoted and responded to both the points you made in your post individually.

You asserted that killing with knives is better than killing with guns, then said you didn't say this. I quoted exactly where you did.

You went on to assert that killing with guns is worse because kids dying fro over penetration. I am asking you to validate this assertion with facts.

Simply claiming something because of your feels does not make it a valid argument.

>>34894636
>Dumb criminals steal their cousin's gun, they don't find someone making illicit weapons.
Which is, of course, why dumb criminals never get their drugs from a seller or supplier. They just generate in the dumb criminal's hand! It's like magic.

>>34894636
What makes you think smart criminals won't try to sell to dumb criminals? Congrats, in attempting to curb the gun market, you just created another one.

>>34894684
Smart criminals don't sell to dumbasses who might do something retarded, get caught, and snitch. Criminal 101.
>>34894666
You missed the part where I clarified that I'm not talking about dying being any different but the circumstances around the death and the potential for the victim to fight back and the fact that you can't really accidentally stab somebody else if you kiss.
>>34894671
You would be surprised at how dumb dumb ciriminals are, they wat that Gat or Fuddy Five, not a handmade shotgun

>>34894739
And how would they know they're dumbasses until they do something dumb? Why do you treat everyone in your made up scenarios as psychics?

>>34885521
that only applies to rights not specifically enumerated in the constitution

>>34892138
I'm not really a trump fan, but this is huge and way more important than people realize.

Classical liberals are beginning to wake up and realize just what the regressive/illiberal left are doing, and just how widespread it is through the left wing.

I grew up with super-lefty friends, and they're all redpilled now. It's glorious.

>>34894739
>You missed the part where I clarified that I'm not talking about dying being any different but the circumstances around the death and the potential for the victim to fight back and the fact that you can't really accidentally stab somebody else if you kiss.

And I've already addressed these points as well. An unarmed victim cannot effectively fight back against a knife wielding opponent, especially considering most knife (and gun) attacks are surprise attacks. There is no defending or fighting back against someone suddenly and repeatedly stabbing you. Any more than there is someone suddenly and repeatedly shooting you.

>you can't really accidentally stab somebody else if you kiss.
What are you even talking about?

>>34894769
They don't know they're dumbasses because they're too dumb.
How many crimes have you seen committed with a handmade gun? Very few.
It's always someone who got a beretta or a Glock or uzi on the streets.
>>34894782
If you miss with a knife because your vic is fighting back or whatever, you're not going to hit a kid across the street by accident.

>>34894795
>If you miss with a knife because your vic is fighting back or whatever, you're not going to hit a kid across the street by accident.

You're acting like this is an issue again yet you still haven't provided anything to back it up.

Things aren't issues just because of your feels.

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>>34894795
oh fuck off you stupid shill. You're never gonna convince anyone here to support any kind of gun control. We've seen what you libtards have done to gun rights when you have the chance.

discussion over

>>34889210
every right is supposed to be like that in theory
in practice every right has exceptions, most notably the freedom of speech

>>34894840
You can tel he's some retarded britbongistanian or ausfailian who thinks his shitty countries way is best and doesn't understand the concept of inalienable rights.

>>34894739
>You would be surprised at how dumb dumb ciriminals are, they wat that Gat or Fuddy Five, not a handmade shotgun
I'm pretty sure if chavs and pakis in the UK and favela spics in Brazil can make pipe shotguns, nogs will be able to figure it out just fine in the US.

>>34894287
Gun Control-chan is cute! CUTE!

>>34894287
>>34894968
>tfw ywn mindbreak and redpill gun control-chan with your evil assault penis
why even live

>>34890723
lay on their backs and take it, people in the US are too comfortable to risk ruining their life over laws and shit. we're going to become just like britian in due time.

>>34894840
>libtard
Yeah anyone who has thoughts that doesn't fall in lockstep with the NRA agenda is one of them dirty leftists grrrr
>>34894909
I'm a gun owning American anon

>>34894928
Maybe so, but gun elitism is strong even among criminals.
How many crimes get committed with the cheap and easily available .22lr? Virtually none. An american criminal is literally more likely to pretend they have some particular brand of gun than to make a handmade one.

>>34895143
Cheap saturday night specials are and have been for decades the most common firearm involved in crime because

1. they're very concealable

2. crims are poor.

Gun elitism isn't strong amongst crims. they pretty much use what they can get that works for them

>>34895143
>How many crimes get committed with the cheap and easily available .22lr? Virtually none.
That's not because of "dumb crims with brand loyalty lol!!", it's because criminals do not trust its one shot killing power. There is a reason 40 and 45 is held in high regards in criminal circles. Sawn off shotguns are one of their most common weapons, as well. You don't think they would be comfortable switching a sawn off for a pipe shotgun of the same length? You're delusional.

>>34895274
But they don't, not even in countries where guns are illegal. Explain this.

>>34895432
I'm sorry? Do you have proof that short, DIY shotguns do not see use in countries with gun control?

>>34895432
Lol, do your research first, retard. Pipe shotguns are common gang weapons in the UK and Australia. Things are actually a lot worse in Australia though, since most of their gangs are bikers who know at least a bit about mechanics. Their gangs have quite a few homemade Luty submachine guns. Much like a pipe shotgun, all it takes is a trip to the hardware store to get all the components needed to make one. Just a bit more complex to assemble.
But hey, banning guns will definitely keep firearms out of criminal hands, right?

>>34893838
Are you fucking kidding? Nyc ccw permits were already unicorns. These people were connected. They're being told to get fucked now. If nyc is still issuing ccw permits its easily verifiable.

>>34894063
>Every spoon is legal - until it's not.
>If there are fewer legal sources, there are fewer illegal sources
>There would not be such a large market if they were illegal, or otherwise more difficult to obtain because there would for obvious reasons be fewer sales.
>I'm not sure why breakfast enthusiasts aren't for preventing morons and retards from getting spoons and spooning themselves or someone else. They are what gives ammo to the notion that silverware ownership leads to more deaths.

FTFY

>>34884937
Anyone calling for violence over this is a retard and should seriously consider suicide by hanging or other method that doesn't involve a gun. This is a good thing as them going this far overboard with may issue permits basically guarantees a case on the subject that the Supreme Court will be willing to hear.

>>34895772
Can't prove a negative. You're the one who brought them up so prove that they do.

>>34896093
Spoons aren't regulated and certainly aren't very efficient at killing, so try again.

>>34893543
you know they find truckloads of homemade submachines in ausfalia made by not the most intelligent biker gangs? who use them to protect drugs and smuggling. in a fucking island. how much more of a difficult situation could i have used to prove you wrong it's laughable.

>>34893776
the retard is you. did you even bother to read the article, or were the words too big?

>>34896764
And they find shiploads of guns in the US

>>34895118
>muh nra boogyman
go away, you're not fooling anyone shill

>>34896843
Yes because
>they're legal here
>we have 13x the population
>we're not an island
The anon you replied to actually had a point, what was yours?

>>34897771
Talking illegal ones anon.
And there are so many illegal guns precisely because they are legal here.

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>>34897804
So they illegally acquire firearms that were lawfully manufactured. And? It's still irrelevant. Pic is from China. Criminals there were manufacturing 12 gauge pump-action revolver shotguns. Gun laws can't be any stricter in China than they currently are.

Firearms aren't the problem. Having a criminal class with a complete disregard for the lives of others is the problem.

>>34890850
>>34890850
Why is texas so cucked, I mean even WA is more texas than texas. WA was one of the original shall issue states and always had Open carry.

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>>34889315
God, this is the cringiest fucking picture ever.

>sweet tap-dancing Freyja, my finger!

Literally kys

lol why do you care, ny has been pretty much a canada-enclave ever since bloomberg, you'll never go there, much less use firearms there, so why do you care?

>>34898796
It's not about NYC. It's about implying implications and possibly getting gun rights unfucked in these places and on the whole.

>>34898286

Lots of Californians moving there for cheaper living. A few of my coworkers just tranfered to Houston straight from San Francisco. Denver too.

>>34898812
90% of New York voted for Hillary, it literally is Wall Street: The City, and the NYPD is already heavily militarized more than any other city-police forces in the entire world. It's safe to say NY and Cali are outliers in general compared to the rest of the US and they have been for half a century. You should start worrying when Penn or Kent start pushing for this shit (eg Amy McGrath)

>>34885521
The right to keep and bear arms is an enumerated right given to the people in the constitution

>>34884976
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffI-tWh37UY

Hmmmm

>>34896651
Tell that to the UK

>>34893370
>the guns come from legal sources
I don't know of anyone legally selling non-neutered Yugo AKs here in yurop, yet every semi-serious criminal has at least a few, they cost about as much as a legal hunting rifle (minus all the licensing stuff) too
hell, I've even seen M60s being confiscated in weapon sweeps, it's almost as if guns make their way to the black market regardless of their legality

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>>34890744
Former Jew Yorker here, yea um several states ban open carry. NY is also shit because in order to possess a handgun you need a permit (this is statewide), and the only permits NY issues are CC permits. It is a defacto handgun ban without actually saying "hey we are banning handguns." The only way to open carry in NY state is to be an on duty LEO or Federal agent.

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>>34896651
neither are steel pipes but hey, what do you think these are made of?

>>34894739
>You missed the part where I clarified that I'm not talking about dying being any different but the circumstances around the death and the potential for the victim to fight back and the fact that you can't really accidentally stab somebody else if you kiss.
That's all fucking irrelevant you stupid retard. A death is a death is a death. The numbers are clear. You're trying to muddy the waters because you know you don't have a leg to stand on.

>>34895118
Why don't you state your position clearly then, dipshit? Let's hear what gun laws you support specifically.

>>34899159
The gun law I support is shall not be infringed

>>34899159
Don't waste your time with this dipshit anon.

He keeps dropping arguments from anons who actually spent time on him. Since way back with
>>34893487
but see also >>34894345
>>34898115

>>34895772
In Denmark gangs primarily use weapens smuggled in from eastern europe

>>34890276
>Can't wait to see a bunch of crying politicians grasp that they may go to prison.
Don't hold your breath.

>>34890938
Spend any proper amount of time in NYC and you'll see that it's not an American city. It's a cosmopolitan city, a lynchpin in the world economy; consequentially, Americans happen to live in it.

I vehemently disagree with your race argument, but whole-heartedly agree with the importance of foreign influence on NYC.

Y'all want your permits? Spend more money than the Chinese or the Saudis. Can't afford it? Tough titty, said the kitty. Quit pretending that the law is for the benefit of abiding citizens. Those with the biggest pockets get catered to.

Post-millenium NYC sucks, anyway. It may be safer now, but it's devoid of the personality and grit that made it special.

>>34899818
NYC is such a shithole. It's truly Disneyfied. Little Italy is pretty much eaten by Chinatown. It's way too expensive from top to bottom. Place smells like hot garbage in the summer. It's only fun in your 20s when you want to shag a bunch of broads.

>>34899854
you didn't enjoy walking home after work next to 5 foot stacks of garbage in the summer?

Or watching the rats in the subway and realizing 1. They have more personal space in their homes than you do. 2. They are nicer to each other than the humans.

I miss it every day anon [/sarc]

>>34899818

Why do liberals always say y'all when they're losing?

Forget ccw permits in NYC you have to jump through hoops just for long guns now. Most people with fire arm licenses are fudds shove had for 30 years. Funny enough the department that issues permits was under indictment for pushing through permits for Jews who paid them cash.

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Armed insurrection when?

>even something this close to home won't make trump do something or even mention the second amendment
I give up
This is the last time I'm voting state and nationally, ever.
I get sent to jury duty for literally zero benefit to myself. Is it possible to renounce vote registration so I don't have to deal with it?

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>>34885554
>double barrel dual chain fed machine gun

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>>34893652
>This is how you start civil war 2
DO EEEEET

>>34885724
Why spread misinformation you fucking stupid ass

>>34889315
>Send in the feds
He's said this a shit load of times yet won't do it

>>34892794
>I can open carry if I'm at a range or hunting
>Therefore Australia has open carry

>Muh Australia
Fuck off with this forever, compare Australia and NZ, a country with far more relaxed laws, the firearm homicide rates are practically the same

>>34889875
>747
>crash more

No 747 has ever crashed in NYC you retarded edgelord.

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>>34902312
>what is 9/11

>>34903942
Both of those were 767's.

>>34900261
Sure. Commit a felony.

>>34904230
Autism: the post

>>34903942
>>34907397
>being factually wrong makes me not autistic
>being factually right makes people autistic.

There is a very significant difference between a 747 and an 767. if you're too retarded to know the difference just call them big planes instead of making yourself look like a huge fucking moron.

>>34894909
Hey, don't lump the rest of us Australians in with that retard. I'm saving to move anyhow, but it's still not nice.

>>34892706
Literally worse than Britain.

>>34899574
But you're pushing for it to be infringed.

>>34898873
The NYPD is larger than some NATO member's militaries.

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>>34894287
>>34894995
>"You don't know what the 2nd is about do you?"
>"But it's common sense..."
>SLAP!
>"It's to oppose government tyranny.
>I drop my trousers, and draw my "gun"
>Control-Chan's eyes grow wide, she'd been told that "gun nuts" had little dicks.
>"yYou can't ttthis is a gun free zone!"
>"Oh? Who's gonna stop me?"
>She tries to craw away.
>"Oh no you don't!"
>I tackle her to the ground.
>"NOoooooo!"
>I draw my EDC knife and cut her clothes away.
>"pppPlease no!"
>"Sorry, but you stripped away my rights, and now I'm gonna strip you!"
>I look at her naked body.
>Her breasts are a C cup, and the nipples are a soft pink.
>"Oh well that figures, a anti-gun to have little guns"
>She turns red.
>"So that's why you hate guns? Cause your breasts were small?"
>"nnnNO!" "It was for the children!"
>I look into her eyes.
>"Oh don't worry, after you're pregnant your boobs will get bigger."
>"nnnnnNo!"
>I look at her "holster"
>And I have to say, it's actually pretty.
>there is no labia protruding, and she's perfectly shaved.
>I put my barrel against her holster.
>"It's time for you to CC this cock!"
>I roughly thrust forward.
>"oooooOWWW!"
>I stop, and look down.
>Con-Chan has tears in her eyes, and the tightness of her holster was even more than the tightness of the NFA.
>A little blood leaks around my gun.
>It dawns on me, she was scared of guns because she'd never had one.
>My face softens.
>"I'm sorry Con-Chan, if I knew I would have been gentler.
>She just looks away, softly sobbing.
>I feel like a asshole, and want to make up for it.
>"OK, I'm going to move now."
>"do what you want, you've ruined me, no man is going to marry me now."
>My heart melts. I've got to fix this.
>"Ok, here we go."
>I start to slowly thrust, and a keep an eye on Con-Chan.
>Her face begins to change, as her holster gets used to my magnum.
>I keep going, but I can feel a cook off starting, my barrel and chamber loving the heat and pressure.
>I keep going.

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>>34911100
Go on....

>>34890938
>Why would any non-american, which all non-whites are

You're not every smart are you?

>>34885633
>If I had a team of the best people in the world protecting m
Didn't like, more than a few people break into the white house in the last few days of the Obama presidency?

>>34911100
>C-cups
>small
Is this how fat American women have become, that c cup breasts are small?

>>34894078
Phychologically easier yes. Physically easier not really. A higher percentage of stab victims die than do pistol shooting victims. Knife attacks are vicious and super deadly. Rifles will fuck you up of course but account for a tiny fraction of shootings.

>>34893675
Is this a fucking joke?

>>34915247
You're late to the party. That retard has already been called out and thoroughly debunked several times on every one of his retarded statements.

>>34915297
I've read through the thread now and I see that.

Turns out he was the joke, not that post.

>>34911100
Keep going

>>34914127
Canadian, here. My ex-gf wore G-cups...

>>34916373
>Canadians are allowed to date livestock

>>34884937
This is amazing actually. Constitutional Carry around the corner!