Russia's new stealth fighter the su-57

>>34856574
>It gets a new designation
>Same shit 80's engines

>>34856574
it's RCS is the same as late 4th gen fighters. It isn't stealth.

>>34856653
That sucks. Care to share the evidence you used to make this claim?

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>>34856574

I like the really inaccurate 3d model and 3view they show like the whole world doesn't already have accurate plans

>>34856677
In 2011, Russian and Indian press reports started attributing even less stealth to the aircraft. Military journalist Dmitriy Litovkin, writing in Izvestya, stated that the PAK T-50’s RCS “will be equal to 0.5 square meters

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IN SHALLAH

Sukhoi Su-7 Fitter-A
Sukhoi Su-17 Fitter-B
Sukhoi Su-27 Flanker-B
Sukhoi Su-37 Flanker-F
Sukhoi Su-47 Firkin
Sukhoi Su-57 What will it be?

>>34856653
that sounds like bullshit. a clean config F-16 and F/A-18 has a RCS of 1m2, throw on some missiles and bombs and now it's around 8m2

Su-57 with internal weapons probably has a rcs of 0.1 to 0.3, so how is that in the same league as 4th gen?

>>34856840
> Sukhoi's patent of the Su-57's stealth features cites an average RCS of the aircraft of approximately 0.1-1 square meters.

welp, .1- 1 square meters right on their own patent. Good luck with that "stealth".

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>muh radar blocking screen reeeee

>>34856938
How the fuck does the B-1 have that small of a RCS?

>>34857231

ram and careful inlet design

>>34856805
Su-57 Floormop

>>34856805
Su-57 Foreskin

>>34856805
Su-57 Geological Surveyor

>>34856805
Su-57 Furfag

>>34856805
Su-57 Foghorn

Russia won't be able to afford it in any meaningful quantity.

>>34858208
It has to start with F and be two syllables.

>>34856584
>>Same shit 80's engines

Those are 90's engines boy.

>>34856732
The Su-57 actually has internal weapons carriage though, so it's RCS should at least remain that size, unlike 4/4.5 gen fighters that have ~1m^2 rcs in theory but with weapons/tanks much more.

Still obviously a different league to F-35/22/B-2

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>>34856805
Flammable

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>>34858286
Amerishit, please.

>>34856805

Su-57 Flyhalf

In keeping with the rugby position names of Flanker and Fullback. Also, works as a semi insulting name for an aircraft.

exactly how many threads are we going to have about this thing getting an official designation?

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>>34858330
Exactly how many times are handgunfags going to ask this question?

>>34856805
Su-57 Felcher

>>34858309
>Su-57 Flyhalf

Probably the most believable proposal.

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In 23 years, Russia shall have 17 of these mighty planes to smash the NATO dogs

>>34856805

Su-57 Fuckyouup

anyway, is it final designation?

>>34856574
This is sad, really. It's like the boy-racer ricing his Mazda 3 with body kits and extra large spoilers to look like a Type-R.

>>34858244

>engines are still dogshit
>but now missing USSR patriotic magic

>>34856728

>pls donut steal

>>34856805
Fuckfence

>>34856805
Sukhoi Su-57 Flatback

>>34856938
Why is the rafale so radarly hueg?

>>34856938
>Rafale D
what

>>34856805
Su-57 Flatfish.

>>34856584

it now has NOS

>>34856805
Su-57 Foofetish
Su-57 Flitwick
Su-57 Follower
Su-57 Friendzone

>>34856805
Let's see if i can nail the NATO name before it's announced.
>Fallout
>Fastback
>Finder (phonetic pronunciation of Find Her, pun on the stealth tech)
>Flapper
>Fickle
>Firefox (would suit it as throwback to that horrible movie with the same name, about yankies stealing a soviet Nth gen super fighter)
>Freefall

https://twitter.com/miladvisor/status/887818616439283713

Nice flying

>>34856805

Flopper.

>>34856805
SU-57 Flapjack

>>34858244
90's dugshit russian engines ARE 80's dogshit russian engines, cyкa.

>>34859122
sovremenniy engine will be ready soon blyat!

>>34859121
too close to Flatpack, which was the MiG 1.44 tech testbed thing a few years back

>>34859132
>soon
So, about the time Brazil is putting ion engines on the space-Tucano?

>>34856574
I don't give a fuck about its performance, it looks sexy as fuck.

>>34856805

Flapjack, desu.

>>34858790

It's an early publication. I have this book and remember reading it as a kid all the way back in 1996.

>>34859230
Did they specify what it was supposed to be ? To my knowledge, the only version that didn't make it into service is the N.

>>34858489
remember that some rice farmer flying MiG-17 shoot down your F-4

and some tail wind burn your F-35

>>34856805
Su-57 Farthat

>>34856805
Sukhoi Su-57 Furfag

>>34859338
>Still far worse combat results than the F-4
>And most of that was because of John Boyd's 4-ship formation he'd snuck into the doctrine book

>Shit that's the fault of the ground crew and would happen to any fighter

>>34856805
Su-57 Fagballs

>>34856574
jesus christ, that comment section is filled with massive delusion

>>34856805
Su-57 Fellator

It's already been leaked the new reporting name is "flapjack"

>>34859320

No, the focus was on stealth and the B-2 bomber.

Remember, in the 1990s, the Rafale was a prototype, the D model was probably some derivative, naval variant.

>>34856574
I'll admit the new SU-27 body kit looks good from some angles, but I don't know if it should really be classified as "stealth".

>>34856805
SU-57 Fuckmuppet

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>>34859463

>>34859150
Brazil uses technology from USA and UK, as soon USA or UK develop an Ion engine, they can put it on their Ultra-Tucanos, we know Brazilians are retarded, but money is money.

>>34858757
Old thing from the 90s, back then the rafale didn't have a stealth coating or tech integrated into it, combine that and a non stealth frame, coupled with canards and you get an xbox heug RCS

>>34859369
>Shit that's the fault of the ground crew and would happen to any fighter

>almost 20 years into development
>crew still cann't figure out how to park the aircraft

even third world country are more competent, or you are just make yo excuse

>>34861678
Versus the PAK-FA using old, proven engines lighting up for no good reason?

>>34858301
How does it feel to know there's literally hundreds of more F-35s than Paks anon? :)

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>>34862021
IDK, how does it feel being a mad amerishit realising T-50 is 10 years more modern than Failure-35. Reming me, how many Fuckup-35s are actually in service after 25 years of development? Like 20? Cry more, bitch.

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>>34862712
>10 years more modern
>uses a screen instead of s-duct for blocking radar

Literally late 50s USA tier

>Those engines

Do Russians just suck at building engines?

>>34862803
There are cities in this world with higher GDPs than all of Russia. That should tell you something.

>>34862712

More F-35 already built than Russia has; Su-30, Su35, and Su-57 combined. Slavtopia confirmed Cold War scrap merchant.

>>34862712
>Reming me, how many Fuckup-35s are actually in service after 25 years of development?
You wrote this out so fast you forgot how to spell.
There are over 200 F-35s, with over 100 in actual service with various nations.
Also, in response to this >>34858301
That was one fire that was not the plane's nor anybody else on the grounds fault.
At least we have decent enough engines that it can actually fly.

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>>34859463

>>34862803
What they suck at is metallurgy and QA.

Their alloys are subpar, and parts not as precise as Western engines, which makes for poor reliability and efficiency.

>>34858171
Winrar right here.

>>34858171
I mean, the Geophysica is a thing...

>>34863269
>>34859463
How lame. Honestly.

>>34856574
Looks like a plane with fetal alcohol syndrome.

>>34863269
Wow that sounds terrible.

>make aircraft using american carbon fiber
>invade ukraine
>lol no more cf for u
>cant make decent cf domestically
>drastically cut down on production

;^)

Where do the missiles go? Is there any confirmed image of weapon bay?

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>>34862962
>That was one fire that was not the plane's nor anybody else on the grounds fault.
>During the incident investigation, engine parts from the burned aircraft were discovered on the runway, indicating it was a substantial engine failure.
Lol, amerishit bitch, please. Learn how to compressor blades.

>>34863328
This bullshit is of course golden coming from amerishit who have to spend the price of six proper engines just to keep their rusted amerishit scrap from breaking apart for the whole promised duration.

>>34864899
I think it's got 2 bays, each with 3 hardpoints.

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>>34864319
>Try to outsmart the Soviets to get titan
>Order titan
>Get titan
>Amerishit piece of crap gets almost 40% crash rate
>The face of Kremlin

>>34856574
B O D Y K I T

>>34859441
Kek

Flapjack? That sucks. At least "Flanker" and "Fulcrum" sound nice.

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>>34867122
What's wrong with flapjack?

>>34863269
That's pretty lame, >>34858309 would have been better

>>34856938
>B-1B
I didnt know the space shuttle had stealth

>>34856805
Su-57 Freakshow

>>34858215
Sukhoi Su-57 Fuccboi

>>34856805
Sukhoi-57 Faggotron

>>34858383
Kek

>>34865408
>USSR produces shit metals

No suprises there

>>34856805
Flamebait

>>34865385
>>34865354
>>34865408
And here comes the vatnik damage control

>>34867711
>Amerishit "education"
Titan is an element, imbecile amerishit. You can's even attempt to comeback without getting your pants shat, bitch.
>>34867725
>Amerishit talked shit
>Amerishit got hit
>Amerishit began to whine and backpedal like a true cunt
Typical amerishit. Cry more, bitch.

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>>34868237
>errr...amerishit...and aaaahaaaa amershit
If you guys could shut up some times, you probaly would not been seen as such insecure idiots. But you never can shut up, you always want to have the last word, no matter how wrong or inappropriate it is.

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>>34868249
This amerishit is of broken, bring in the new one.

>>34865385
>This bullshit
I'd like to see Russians producing monocrystalline fan blades

>>34868250
Hello Armatard! Still embarressing Russia and begging for (You)s?

>>34856574
>>>/s/

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>>34868270
>casting (blades with directional crystallization and single-crystal structure)
http://www.npo-saturn.ru/index.php?sat=249

>>34868306
Alright then.
At least they're catching up

>>34868237
Im not even american, and unless you knew it, you usually process the ore to make it stronger and better, but i assume Vatniks are only used to cast iron so Its understandable.

>>34868250
Its like you get payed to shitpost.

>>34856805
Su-57 Fapper

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>>34856805
>flappojacko

also why didnt they just buy china's design?

>>34864084
>>34864293

>not realising people can edit Wikipedia

If it has no source it's probably wrong.

>>34863269
Fake as fuck

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-57

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>>34867122
it literally looks like a fucking pancake

>>34856938
how do i get a job as a stealth expert?

>>34859369
>And most of that was because of John Boyd's 4-ship formation he'd snuck into the doctrine book
wut did he mean by this?

>>34865385
>This bullshit is of course golden coming from amerishit who have to spend the price of six proper engines just to keep their rusted amerishit scrap from breaking apart for the whole promised duration.

>Reminder that Russian planes literally need two sets of spare engines, and each needs three overhauls, while US fighters only need one engine with one overhaul in 30 years

>>34868237
>Titan is an element
TitanIUM, you inbred alcoholic.

>Thinks he won anything

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why dont photons in the visible spectrum bounce off of stealth aircraft sideways and make them invisibru?

>>34868573
The Air Force was religious about following doctrine at the time. They used a 4-fighter formation for combat ops that made the F-4 completely blind to rear attacks, which Mig pilots took advantage of. Navy fighters used 2-ship formations, which, along with better training, resulted in far better K:L ratios the entire war.

>>34868698
this

>>34868844
Oh yeah thats the thing about dogmas, and the fins proved the advantages of two ship in the winter war. I assumed it was something like that but i couldnt find any information with a quick search so thanks for spelling it out for me..

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this...

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>>34868902
vs this?

also sixth gen fighters are going to have to be fuck yuuge so they can carry enough ram to hide from low freq radar

>>34856805
Fartbox

How many civilian airliners will all 9 of these aircraft shoot down when they come into service in 2032?

>>34868907
>fluidic nozzle
>boundary layer controlled 3d shock inlet

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM IM CUMMING AUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGHHHHHHH

Does the 57 mean anything or did they just pick a random number?

>>34871279

fighters are odd numbers

ending with 7 is a sukhoi thing

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>>34862015
compressor stall can happen to any aircraft

>>34871279
A wild guess - they name the fighters by the years comparing first flight, since the first model i.e. - first flight of su-35 is 1988, first flight of su-57 is 2010

2010-1988 = 22

33+22 = 55 , well round it off a bit and take some undocumented test flights into account and it's somewhere around that

>>34868775
There are materials that are transparent, absorbent, and reflective to light as there are materials that do the same thing for radar waves. These materials are used as well as they can be used. Think camouflage; blending in, that sort of thing. Planes are coloured grey for a reason. B52's carefully alter their altitude to make themselves blend into the sky, from the perspective of people on the ground.

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>yellow squadron

>>34868348
that looks like a man struggling to hold on to a bunch of suitcases under his arms.

>>34856574
They bought an F35?

>>34868546
you have to have a bakery and shoot down one of them with an ancient soviet aa battery

>>34859090
>horrible movie
fuck off
it has Clint in it, which means it's automatically a 10/10 movie

>>34872350
Oh noes, the shopping bags are tearing up, all the missiles i just bought are going to fall out.

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>>34856805
FUGGER-D

>>34872350
kek

>>34862015
>compressor stall
lol google compressor stall pak-fa is first result

fucking libs jewing google all the time and spamming russia memes

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>>34862015
>>34874516

>>34874516
>Hurr da joos an libs durr

Maybe it's because Russia is a nation of asshole alcoholics?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrU1hZxSEXQ

>>34874516
You are right to be afraid. Liberal Jews are everywhere and in everything, including on /k/ all the time. The only way to escape is to destroy your computer then burn out your own eyes.

>>34874784
>shitty attempt at drumstep
>not true slav hardbass

WOW, /k/ is just a bunch of butthurt Amerifags.

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>>34875282
>Vatnik butthurt that nobody is just accepting Russian Propaganda

>>34868546
Be a supercomputer.

Alternatively, study physics or electrical engineering with a focus in radio-frequency bullshit.

In the mean time, have some basic reading material:
https://www.microwaves101.com/encyclopedia/Navy%20handbook/4.11%20Radar%20Cross-Section%20(RCS).pdf
https://www.microwaves101.com/encyclopedias/radar-cross-section-physics

>>34875362
What about your American propaganda. You haven not even seen any American jets fight against Russian so you wouldn't know which one is better.

>>34856805
Sukhoi Su-57 FUTA

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>>34875456
>What about your America

>>34875456
Iraq, Vietnam, various wars in Israel, Serbia.

Oh, and Korea.

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>>34875488
>Implying America doesn't have propaganda.
>>34875495
Remember when serbs shot down F-117A with an soviet S-125. Also, in Vietnam the U.S air force was being shoot down by Soviet Migs. Also, you have mention wars during the cold war not now, Russia had upgraded their Military.

>>34856574
Im a Russian living in the us and basically what I expect to happen is
>bro there are bombers heading toward sheremetyevo and they're about to like bomb the president or something
>One su57 fails to start because of the shit engine materials
>other su57 takes off but falls apart in midair
>final su57 takes out like one mig21 but after running out of AAMs gets btfo by a south Congolese mig17 or someshit

>>34875543
xD, how much of American media have you watched?

>>34875569
My parents have lived in Kazan since 1800 and I've been there since I've been there until i was 20. Dude, the place is a shithole. Believe me, i know, i fucking lived there. The PAK program is similar to every other government project because 70% of the fucking budget goes into the pockets of the directors and the other money is spent fucking around and actually making it. I have several family members who work in airplane factories and believe me with a non corrupt gay commie government it would have been a legendary project

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>>34875526
>>Implying America doesn't have propaganda.
No, that is not what i said, you damn fool. This is just too amusing.

Holy Fuck the amount of Russian butthurt and shit flinging is hilarious.
Hey Ivan you should go buy a sorrow slob job from one of your privates from your praises army to get your mind getting so BTFOd by facts and statistics.

>>34875526
Unless you manage to overwhelm the enemy completely (eg WW2), having more of your guys die than the enemy isn't winning, regardless of whether the other guy's politicians decide to pull out before the job is done.

>>34875526
>Remember when serbs shot down F-117A with an soviet S-125
Yes, I do. But then again, that isn't doing you any good to bring it up. Losing only one plane to hostile fire in a thirty year history when it's job was to fly into the most heavily defended targets and strike with PGMs is nothing short of statistical noise, especially when the Serb commander himself said he was just lucky the missile hit.

>Also, in Vietnam the U.S air force was being shoot down by Soviet Migs
And Migs were being flamed by the dozen in Vietnam, so much so that by the time hostilities ended, the VPAF was flying only bare defensive sorties over their own bases as that's all they could afford to do.

>Also, you have mention wars during the cold war not now, Russia had upgraded their Military.
Want to know the biggest upgrade made to the Su-27 fleet from 1991-2008? It was a conformal fuel tank that added a small amount to the internal fuel reserve and was placed on the "spine" of the plane. Hardly an upgrade. Even today they're still having trouble getting new tech to their troops (or even producing it).

>>34865408
>Try to outsmart the Soviets to get titan
we didn't try we did, and we could fly an sr71 that we built with the titanium you sold us all over all day and there was nothing you could do about it

>>34856574
pretty sexy desu

>>34875673
>Holy Fuck the amount of Russian butthurt and shit flinging is hilarious.
You are the one that is being butthurt, cant wait for ww3 to see America in ashes.

>>34876793
>You are the one that is being butthurt
Go back to abusing poor little Yevgeny's anus already.

>>34875644
What were some of the original goal of the project?

>all these american rats thinking they have a chnace against us
>when we already took over their country by getting a slave for putin elected as president

>>34878482
nice schlomo

>>34878482
>elect a shlomo putin jew
>heheh, dumb idiots falling for the zog!!

>>34875456
Google "whataboutism" as you seem to be an expert on this concept developed by the USSR