What's the proper militia?

Everyone above 18 is the militia you twat

>>34852321
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VA state militia link
http://vdf.virginia.gov/
Their are private militia then their are the real militia.

>>34852321
You know what I mean by militia. I'm working from the definition of a military force raised by the civil populace.

>>34852307
Powerful militias exist when their main governments fail.

Look at all the successful revolutions or ongoing wars that have large well developed and armed private armies that do go regularly toe to toe with 2nd and even first world militaries. The Ukranian conflicts with militias on both sides, Yugoslav wars, Russian coups, the more powerful of the South American and African warlords of the past, and of course the huge span and diversity of the various middle eastern paramilitaries that have been formed, with Hezbollah as a notable example of an extremely powerful militia.

American (and some right wing European) militias and vigilante groups don't have the room or the political capital to amass power in a more well ordered first world country. Like almost zero heavy ordnance like explosives and armored vehicles without ridiculous government interference for collectors and weapon developers (such as quirks like how in the USA messing with explosives and bombs can get you in 10 years of ass rape jail courtesy of terrorists and the mafia, more than some nanny state european countries).

However, if things change and an opportunity is created, it would not be that difficult for the broad variety of irregular forces that could be formed in such a government void to grow rapidly in strength and military capacity.

But keep in mind a population can only support so many armed forces and units, so generally such militias would start off with a smaller niche or a specific mission. You don't really want your armed forces cannibalizing each other and generally being inefficient.

Someone DOES have to run the factories and farm you know? Not to mention create and maintain the war machines in the first place.

>>34852370
So, an ordinary military? Or do you mean a paramilitary, which is any armed organisation outside of a country's formal armed forces?

>>34852366
This nigga knows

>>34852307
Jefferson thought that the nation could defend itself without a standing army, citizens would form militias when necessary and that would do just as well. (for reasons why he didn't like standing armies, look at basically the entire history of Europe during the Renaissance--sorry, "early modern period")

Jefferson had no military experience and spent the whole war in France

Washington found militia to be hilariously ineffective when compared to professional soldiers

So

>>34852435
I guess I'd have to go with paramilitaries, but with the caveat that it is a paramilitary composed of unpaid volunteers, that is not full time work, and does not do contract work, or any military work for monetary compensation. Is that a better picture?

>>34852366
Fuck white people

>>34852553
nigger

>>34852827
Racist

>>34852553

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>>34852885


Priceless

>>34852366
>nova
>not yankees

confirmed for never been to nova

>>34852321
16*

>>34852366
But there's no grammar to be found.

>>34852525
Militia is basically non-military people willing to fight. How disciplined, organized and how well armed they are. For the most part they are unpaid.

>>34852366
>http://vdf.virginia.gov/
Ewww SDF.

They got neutered as fuck.

When they were being started they used to be like 2nd amendment militias who wanted to go legit and get that national guard monies. But they all got bureaucratically fucked, hell some even got in trouble for trying to buy a tank with their own money.

>>34852307
W.A.R. is the best militia.

>>34853192
Naw that shit has sailed.

Most WN militias are a joke and got stomped ruby ridge style.

What the fuck did they even do in Charlstonville anyways besides stand pretty while their buddies got fucked by cops and antifa?

>>34852366
VDF is to neverserved old people as the Civil Air Patrol/JROTC is to Cawadoody teenagers.

>>34853585
DO they even shoot guns officially?

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>>34852307
>>34852321
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>>34852307
>Are militias inherently a dumb idea? Or, do militias have an improper attitude about their place and role? Should militias even exist today?
No, Yes, Depends.

The 2A is irrelevant - everyone is the militia. But that aside, they absolutely can have their place as a community organization. Problem is most of them are anti-government retards, or mall ninja tier Oper8ors or people that think they'll become warlords when the shit inevitably (in their opinion) hits the fan.

I live in a storm prone area, and we've got a group of local guys that got certified as a FEMA team, volunteer as firefighters, and go out shooting, hunting and do firearms training together. They could be considered a Militia but they actually engage with the community, actually help out instead of just talking about how cool its going to be when TEOTWAWKI comes, and don't have the batshit elements most militias have.

>>34852321

Implying what exactly? Are we Volkssturm now?

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>>34852321
fpbp

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Yes it's real!

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>You see, if politicians put that 'everybody is militia' on a piece of paper, it makes all Americans militia.

Last time I checked, a 'militia' was an actual thing and not an ivory-tower concept dreamt up by 18th century liberals who masturbated to idealized imaginations of Rome and Greece.

>>34856943
The last I checked, the second amendment granted rights to THE PEOPLE so they could FORM a militia should the need arise. The second amendment does not grant rights to militias. Even if they did, anyone could form their own a militia and be protected under the second amendment as long as they were "well organized". Sorry m80, our side of the pond has more freedom.

>>34852307
The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members...

Google is your friend. Basically anyone who is a Citizen and can serve is Militia. But it also extends to all citizens who are able bodied period.

>>34856966

Calling the American people 'a militia' is not the same thing as saying the people can't form militias.
>and the Militia Act was not passed until 1903.

Also, people don't like to mention that the constitution, Article 1; section 8, clauses 15 and 16, granted Congress the power to "provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia". So if all citizens that are eligible are militia, that makes congress able to tell you what to do. Hence how the draft is defended.

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>>34856943
>18th century liberals who masturbated to idealized imaginations of Rome and Greece.
>Greece

The founding fathers didnt like the greeks. They believed that Spartans were barbaric monarchists and Athenians were backstabbers whose only claim to fame was mob rule. You even see it in american federalist architecture. They intentionally edited out greek ornamental themes that were popular in british architecture of the era because they didnt want any association with the greek "democracy." Also the founding fathers has access to the writings of livy and plutarch and knew just as much about roman rulers as anyone else did in their day . . .

>>34857051

I found Thomas Jefferson's idea that Roman soldiers were 'militia' because they served out of civic duty or whatever to be suspect.