USP vs P30 vs VP9

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>>34850675
>starts thread with USP in the title
>posts a USPc
Stop.

>>34850675
You wouldn't have reliability issues with any of these systems.

>>34850675
They are all good. I have a uspc and owned a vp9 and have shot plenty of p30s. USP is still my favorite though.

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>>34853328
Mark 23>HK45ct>USP>P30>HK45>HK45c>P2000>USPc>P30sk>P2000sk>VP9

>>34853367

mein nigger

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>>34850733
This. They're all stellar handguns. I've owned a few USPs and have been carrying a P30sk for a while now. Currently in the market for a P30/VP9 to share mags with it.

USP > P30 > VP9

That being said though I'm a huge P30 fan and like them the best

>>34850675
P30 is designed around 9mm NATO
9mm NATO=9mm +p
Do you want to see anything on the P30 in particular?

>>34853727
Yea I wanted to know how tough/reliable it is compared to a USP since the latter was designed to endure almost everything

>>34850675
Hk45. Go compare the manuals. Only the .45 HKs tell you they're rated to shoot +p+ ammo. The 9mm ones all say don't shoot it.

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why is everyone shitting on the VP9? I rented the p30, usp, and vp9 at the range and the vp9 was by far the best.

>>34853944
>the VP9 is the best because I could shoot it the best
>this is in no way related to how it has the shortest, lightest trigger, no siree

The VP9 is a consumer-tier gun. The USP and P30 were both designed with the intention of winning major LE and military contracts. They are made to a higher standard of quality and tested to a far higher degree than the humble VolksPistole 9. If you cannot shoot the USP or P30 as well, it is a reflection of your own inexperience as a pistolero more than it is the superiority of the VP9.

>>34853861
Obviously it isn't new enough to have quite the track record of the USP but it still has quite the reputation of its own for reliability, one guy did a 91k (yes, ninety one thousand) round torture test of a P30 before it finally shit the bed: http://pistol-training.com/archives/2668

>>34853944
The VP9 is just an HK brand Glock, it was designed specifically for Joe Schmoe to go buy at his local shop.The USP and P30 were both designed for police and military contracts and have the testing and and quality behind them that goes into such a pistol. The VP9 is still a really good gun, it just isn't a traditional HK

>>34854013
I was indeed easier to shoot, but I thought the trigger felt nicer and the overall ergonomics of the gun were very well thought out, much like the P30. The gun was more accurate for me too, although I didn't get too much range time with the p30 and usp.

maybe I should give them another try before i commit to the vp9 next year

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>>34853944
If I had to guess its because of its price compared to other HKs and MACs video, which is stupid because /k/ hates MAC and there's other torture tests showing it work fine.

I have a VP9 and its my favorite striker fired gun. Only issue I had was my grip which made the slide return to battery after the last round. After changing my grip I've put 500 rounds through it with no hiccups.

>>34854103
yeah, MAC's test was bullshit. on the price point, HK said it was because striker guns are intrinsically cheaper to produce than hammer guns, and they are of the same quality

>>34854115
I'd be interested to see if someone would replicate the P30 test for the VP9.

>>34854095
>the trigger felt nicer
>the gun was more accurate for me too

As I said above, in the majority of cases, this is simply the consequence of your average shooter not being used to DA/SA vs. Striker. Striker-fired is basically a shortcut to results for unskilled shooters with bad fundamentals. Your typical guy who goes to the range only a few times a year is going to be far better with a striker (thanks to the shorter, lighter trigger pull) than he is with a DA/SA, which requires that you actually practice in order to get good. However, once you actually do get good, you should see very little difference in practical accuracy between DA/SA and striker.

>>34854156
>once you actually do get good, you should see very little difference in practical accuracy between DA/SA and striker.
then why the fuck is DA/SA superior to striker then?

>>34854156
Not him, but remember that Glock fag from Top Shot who had to shoot a 92FS? He kept bitching and moaning about how it wasn't a Glock, and lost because that's all he shot.

>>34854095
Practice the double trigger pull until you're accurate and consistent. It'll take a while but it makes you a better shot.

>>34854156
FWIW im a hammer fired fag and have had much the same experience with the USPc. Trigger was even better stock then a lot of hammer fired guns I've tried. Something about the sights, POI, and ergos made it a bit less easy/pleasant to shoot. Im sure training and time would remedy that but i dont personally think it's just a trigger issue.

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>>34854181
In my experience, it's easier to work the gun faster since the trigger pull weight, travel, and reset of a SA trigger is lighter and shorter compared to a striker trigger. Once you've learned how to manage a DA first shot and transition into the SA shots, it makes a world of difference.

There are some competitive shooters that prefer DA/SA because of this, Ernest Langdon being the one most prominent in my mind.

>>34854181
DA/SA is a safer design in the real world. In an ideal world where no one makes mistakes in firearms handling, they are equal; in the real world where people do things like buy and use SERPA holsters, make a mistake while reholstering under stress, have a brain fart and miss that a bullet is in the chamber as they pull the trigger during the disassembly of their striker-fired gun, or accidentally pull the trigger on a target before they had intended to do so due to stress, a DA/SA gun is more resistant to these kinds of user-induced mistakes.

Note that I am not saying that gun design should make up for deficiencies in training--you will note that I argued the exact opposite as pertained to strikers. I am simply saying that real world results have shown that striker-fired consistently = more accidents.

>>34853944
HK fanboys liked that HK hated the public, now they're butthurt HK focused on producing a gun for shooters instead of military users.

It gets in the way of their larping.

anyone saying the vp9 is an "inferior" gun because it's cheaper probably hasn't handled or shot the vp9. another idiot spewing balogna

>>34854275
Well there are more striker fired guns in new shooter's hands.

9/10 normies will walk away from the gun store with one. So that is to be expected.

>>34854817
Exactly, I don't know why these fags here are pushing the "VP9 is lesser quality" meme.

>>34854915
I think there's something to be said for putting your thumb on the back of the hammer as you holster to avoid glockleg

>>34854817
>>34855155
Are you saying that you believe that the VP9 is just as good as a P30 or USP in absence of any actual evidence supporting this belief? As a different anon stated, the P30 has been shown to go to over 90k rounds with only 5 parts breakages and 13 stoppages. The USP is derived from the most thoroughly tested handgun in history; literally nothing else that is not a Mark 23 compares to it. Where's your proof or source that the VP9 is somehow on the same level?

>>34855285
Not him but I can provide an unsubstantiated anecdote. I took a defensive handgun course with maybe a dozen other people. Most had glocks, I had an M&P one guy had a VP9. None of the glocks jammed but there were a few stovepipes, my m&p had no stoppages, the guy with the VP9 was constantly jamming and stovepiping. He seemed pretty flustered by the end of the day.

>>34855285
sources. guns are guns...don't believe everything you read on the internet. i have however read that the mark23 is an insanely overbuilt gun. so i'm in agreement with you on that.

however, that doesn't mean the vp9 is an inferior gun

>>34855336
The vp9 is inferior to the Mark 23, yes. The USP is almost nearly as overbuilt.

>>34855285
HK has said that the VP9 is made to the same quality that the other HK pistols are. I didn't assert it was as durable, but there is no reason to think it woudn't be. I'd also like to see a VP9 test like the P30 went through like >>34854135
mentioned.

>>34855331
I would be flustered too. That being said, do you have any hypothesis about what was causing the issue? Did he look like a nogunz or newgunz who hadn't actually used it before? Was he limpwristing it? Was he using cheap ammo? Was the gun new? I know that even the USP will have problems if you feed it weak 115 grain stuff right out of the box; it needs 9mm NATO when new while the recoil spring is still very stiff.

>>34855285
This is why i want to see >>3485413 happen.

>>34853401
wouldnt that be mein schwartze?

>>34855369
All of the above, I think his main problem was that he seemed pretty arrogant and wouldn't heed advice from the instructor or assistants, because they kept telling him the same things. We did have to use cheap lead-free ammo so I'm sure that could have contributed, but on the other hand, all our guns used the same stuff and neither myself nor anyone else had the extensive issues he did. He even showed up late from the lunch break and held everyone up at the range portion while the instructor tried to figure out what was going on.

vp9 > p30

>>34850675
>Which gun is more reliable and of higher quality?

Irrelevant. What question that should be asked is what type of trigger system do you like and if the P30 or USP fits your hand better.

The USP and P30 are proven guns, the VP9 while being quality like every HK pistol in my opinion, still needs time. If you're buying an HK and deciding on the VP9 or one of the hammer fired HK guns on the sole basis of quality, you're a tacky poorfag that needs to get their priorities checked.

I'll clue you in: the best links you'll ever get from /k/ on this subject

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?27185-Semi-Auto-Triggers-market-trends-choices-and-consequences

https://pistol-training.com/archives/8549

>>34853727
No its not, its above standard pressure, but it is not SAAMI +P.

>>34850675
The P30 is the best. It has all of the things the USPc has with many more modern features. Though I really recommend not getting the P30 if you don't like LEM. Thats the match trigger for that gun, and many USP lovers want the Match DA/SA.

>>34855853
Not him but why does HK have to be so confusing. I'm just going to get a USPc v1 and if I'm really miserable with it I'll send it to HK and have an LEM or something else put in. How bad of a mistake would this be.

>>34854156
>Striker-fired is basically a shortcut to results for unskilled shooters with bad fundamentals

This is horseshit and you should feel dumb for believing it.

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>>34850675
I'm selling my P30 if you're interested.

http://www.armslist.com/posts/7012464/reno-nevada-handguns-for-sale--hk-p30?utm_source=c000031&utm_medium=plink&utm_campaign=p717900

>>34855222
I use sticky holsters for my striker fried guns so they're holstered off body then safely positioned. I tend to carry my SA\DA half cocked or hammer down depending on the gun.

Took me 5 years of shooting to feel comfortable enough to want striker fired guns.

>>34855942
>$650 firm
>used P30sk
Hahahaha fuck you.

>>34854309
This.

HK doesn't necessarily hate everybody now and have put out a gun the general consumer could buy. People are mad because "Muh exclusivity."

>>34854275
But this has literally nothing to do with DA/SA's performance vs. striker fired.

>>34854103
I also own a VP9 and do carry and love the gun but recently I have been having slight failures to go into battery. It makes me question the reliability and I have went back to a Glock 19 for carry which sucks because the VP9 is such a nice gun. I guess I could get the newer VP40 recoil spring and that might help. Anyone else have this problem.

>>34856099
Just email HK. If the issue is related to the updated recoil spring I'm sure they'll send you the VP40 spring.

>>34856099
That's weird, this has never happened to my P30.

>>34856245
How does one know if they have the VP40 recoil spring?

>>34856313
In think as of late 2016 all of the VP9s have the VP40 recoil spring.

>>34856356
Ah gotcha. Thanks brother.

>>34855996
If you were that anon with the VP9 and the sticky holster you solved my problem carrying it.

Quick question, when you appendix carry do you cant it at all?

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>>34856393
I do. Helps a lot for driving, and gives me more purchase on the draw. Nice thing is its fairly easy to adjust on the go, handy after too much pizza.

>>34856518
Thanks. I'm still new to appendix carry. Ill have to try it out tomorrow.

>>34856531
Make sure you've got a good belt. It isn't necessary but makes the experience much better.

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I am planning on buying a usp45 for my first handgun, where would the best place be to purchase one /k/? Seems like I could get one on an online auction for under 700 used. Is this a bad idea? It seems like it is. Would I have better luck at a gun store? Went to a show today and every vendor said they rarely have em.

I want to Larp as Tom Cruise in Collateral so i need this weapon.

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>>34857001
>I want to Larp as Tom Cruise in Collateral so i need this weapon.

I unironically want to do this as well. My advice: wait on various places that bring in LE-Trade in pistols. When they get USP 45's in, they're priced at $500. Some websites include
>Aimsurplus
>Classic Firearms
>Summit Gun Broker
>Sportsman Outdoor Superstore

Like pretty much everything, gun shops are pretty much overpriced. Get on Aimsurplus's email listing especially. I don't know if you're familiar with Slickguns/gun.deals but keep an eye out on ther as well, speaking of which: very cheap .45 ACP you should stock up on.

https://gun.deals/product/sellier-bellot-45-acp-230gr-fmj-50box-1949-75-cents-shipping

>>34857001
was he supposed to be using a .45?

>>34857277
Yup, he's using a USP 45 V1.

>>34857277
Yes, it was specified in the script. The holster is an original g code.

>>34857001
don't be a shekel pincher and buy one at your lgs. you costco-tier normies are going to kill gun culture by driving it all to normie retailers.

>>34855448
Mein Mohr

Its unfortunate HK has such an elitest fanboy following. The "VolksPistole" stings their ego so badly lmao. How could HK do this to them?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9JqT5ts_LY

>>34850717
Not true the vp9 stock comes under sprung, new ones now come with a vp40 spring

>>34854013
>The USP and P30 were both designed with the intention of winning major LE and military contracts.
Which they miserably failed at.

>>34854156
Are SA guns also a shortcut.

>>34857001
700 bucks for a used USP .45??? For one time I'm happy to be Swiss. Here, the USP .45 is 595 Mountain Shekel, and the USP .40 is 495 Mountain Shekel - new. Only the mags are a tad expensive (but less than Walther mags).

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>>34857842
>tfw HK can't stop asking exorbitant prices even when competing for valuable military contracts.

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>>34857963
And the ones who bid low have no issues

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>USP
Best answer

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>>34858037
>>34857208
>>34857001
I carry My USP45 in an AIWB holster. 10/10 would use on witnesses for the prosecution

>>34857842
one of my local PD's carries the P30, another was forced by their bureaucrats to swap off the USP and to the M&P9, they were piiiiiiiiiiiiiissed

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>>34858123
My local PD lets the officers carry whatever they can qualify with so long as it's 9mm or above

>TFW you see a road block manned by a cop with a fucking nighthawk

>>34855901
You would be better off just sending it to Bill Springfield.

>>34857001
Police trade in, though I paid 900 dollars for mine and it was worth it because it made me love and switch to HKs.

>>34857851
Not if it has a safety like a 1911.

>>34857812
Bullshit those slidestops aren't too long. Thats why I sold my VP9.

>>34855901
The P30 V1 is the LEM. On the USPs the V1 is DA/SA with a combo safety decocker.

>>34850675
There is no difference in reliability or quality. The P30 is literally just an upgraded USP. The VP is just a P30 with a different firing system.

>>34857001
You can get new ones online in the $750 range. You should be able to find a used one on Gunbroker in the $500 range pretty easily. They can go for less if it's a police turn-in with lots of holster wear. $500 will get you something that looks pretty good, probably a few thousand rounds down the pipe, but nothing too serious.

>>34855942
>lives in stead
>supports lag tactical
Naw, kys

>>34857869
Forgot to mention that the USP is cheaper than the VP9. Also, for some reason the VP9 is called SFP9 here. Why H&K used the lame Volkspistole designation in the US instead of Special Forces Pistol is a complete mystery - though H&K is famous for being utterly incompetent.

>>34858887
This is exactly why I don't understand how faggots rip on the VP9 for being "muh people's pistol," as if it's actually lower quality and not made for military service. It's a special forces pistol in name. The evolution of the HK line of handguns. Why do they rip on it?

>>34858887
>>34858987

The VP9 was already trade marked in europe.

>>34857208

Wow that's a lot of info, thanks bro. I've already signed up on sportsman but I didnt know about the other sites.

I've read that the grip on the usp 45 is pretty beefy and I have little girl hands. Is it really that big?

>>34858075
Looking at the usp .40 the grip looks pretty damn comfy and I assume it's a bit smaller but maybe I'm wrong. Is that a custom grip?

>>34858160

>so long as it's above 9mm

lol did they really need to make that condition? Did some officer bring in a .22 one day?

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>>34859342

>>34859342
>Looking at the usp .40 the grip looks pretty damn comfy
USPs are anticomfy which is why you always see that hogue grip sleeve

Why do the P30sks typically sell for less than full size P30s?
Demand?

>>34859525
Material cost as well

>>34850675

All 3 are good guns, and I own all of them

The weakest to me is the VP9. Good gun, but the slide release is shit. If you like fast reloads, this gun has an issue. Shy of that, I like it a bunch. Until a new slide release comes out, it will likely collect dust in the safe though.

USP is great. I love my USP, but it's big as hell, and it's capacity is low for it's size. However, its accuracy, reliability, and handling are top notch. I suppose it's lack of rail is a weakness, and the GG&G rail adapter is an annoying expense.

The P30 is probably the best of the 3. Accurate, reliable, good controls, good ergo's, I don't have anything to bitch about.

All suffer from expensive magazines and HK's choice to gimp capacity in the name of reliability.

>>34859732
You don't need the GG&G>>34859364

>>34853552

CDNN has a monster sale on VP9 and P30 long slide. HK has a 4 free mag promo right now with VP9/P30 series guns

>>34859743

Very True.

I even have the same light, but I bought the GGG anyway, so I have more choice in lights.

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You already know what one you want.

>>34850675

I've seen a lot of 600 and under USPCs in 40. I'm a handlet and I've read the compacts are smaller than the regular full size USP and that the mags can't be used in each. Is that true and can I get a conversion barrel for it to 9mm and/or 357 Sig?

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>>34854309
>>34856045
>only company that openly opposed the 1989 import ban
>started importing civilian G3 pattern rifles in like 1962
>hates us
ok

I ordered a USP 45 Expert today. I wanted my first .45 to be robust, rust resistant, and accurate as fuck.

>>34853367
>>34853401
You are both objectively retarded, get solved.

>>34854156
T. Larping Idiot

You're trying way too hard to convince people you aren't a drooling moron and you be failed miserably.

>>34861918

t. vp9 owner

>>34857730
Mein Neger

>>34861936
Wrong.

>>34861982
This
>>34861918
I bet you're going to tell us how much better your vp9 is than a mark 23.

>>34862024
I don't have a vp9.

>>34862036
Then which of those do you own?

>>34853367
Why the P2000 over the USPC?

>>34862185
P2000 is lighter and has interchangeable backstraps. Also, the USPc is ugly and looks like a bastard USP.

>>34862215

nigger if anything the P2000 looks like a bastard USP. USPc looks like a cute child

>>34862215
That makes me feel a little better about wanting a P2000. Most people just say hur hur get a USP compact poorfag. I haven't handled one yet, but should at least be better than the blocky grip on the USPc.

>>34862291

pls handle them

>>34861890
>not getting a Mk. 23

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>>34862251
Wrong. Stop pretending you're USPc is a real USP.
>>34862291
I would recommend a P2000 over a USPc, I have a P30 and would recommend them as well.

>>34862369

stop pretending the P2000 fits in the family

>>34862406
It makes more sense than the USPc. If you read my HK pistol ranking earlier in the thread you'd see I don't like either.

>>34862435
USPc IS STILL BETTER FUCK YOU

>>34862446
;^)
gg no re

>>34862453
>:[[[

I've had all 3, I still have a USP and a VP9. I'm looking to dump the USP as its my least favorite of them all.

>>34862319
I don't plan on buying anything right now, but I'll try to handle a P2000 and a USPc again at some point before I'd buy one.

>>34862369
I hope I catch the V3's at $500 again, seen them hit that like 6-8 months ago.


After I get 9mm compact needs fulfilled, I'm kinda tempted to pick up one of the $400ish surplus USP .40's. I need to actually shoot some handguns to see if I'd be okay with .40.

>>34862604
Mine is a v1, I would highly recommend it.

>>34862637
If I don't find a v3 for significantly cheaper, then I would probably go the LEM v2 route since the v1's are hard to come by (at least from my searching). But I heard you can just swap the springs and go from V2 to V1.

>>34862688
Are you talking about the P30 or P2000?

>>34862707
P2000.

>>34862733
Yeah, I can't recall seeing many v1s.

>>34862367
That $800~ saved buys me more mags and ammo (and maybe a $210 match weight if I am feeling frisky enough).

>>34857342
Yeah no.

Gun shops are as bad as autoshops. They'll charge whatever they think they can get away with and expect you to bend over and take it. The ONLY reason I buy anything from my local LGS is because they aren't dicks and will let me actually handle firearms without acting like it's some kind of act of charity on their part. If you're serious about buying a gun, and like the way it feels for 10 bucks they'll give you 10 shots and let you shoot it. Glad they let me do that, I wound up buying another gun from them instead of the one I was initially buying.

Most LGS's don't do that. Most LGS's are run by assholes who know less than I do. So why the fuck should I give two shits if they go out of business?

I buy online whenever I know I'll like what I'm buying, and if I'm looking for something that's new on the market I'll check my LGS. But not paying sales tax + cheaper prices even after S&H+FFL fees means I'll buy online first.

>>34861470
You cannot convert to 9mm, but you can to .357 Sig. The grip is also smaller than the fullsizes, and uses the metal magazine profile. This lets you use the P30 13 rounders.

>>34862406
It does though. Its the best compact pistol they make.

>>34862291
Their grip is designed for people with palms bigger than their fingers. So for people with spider hands, they are uncomfortable.

I heard how HK's are very ammo picky and don't like steel cased ammo so that's why they say to only use brass.Compared to glocks that each just about anything. Any truth to that?

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>>34863695
I've had zero problems shooting steel or aluminum ammo in either of my HK's. I try to avoid steel though as the only steel 9mm in my area is Tula, which I've had problems with in the past in other guns, problems that were definitely ammo caused.

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>>34863695
My USP40 and USP45 both eat Federal Aluminium case (180gr and 230gr)

>>34863592

Are the .40 and 9mm frames the same? Could I put a 9mm slide on a 40 frame?

>>34863917
Yes, you can even load 9mm in the .40 mags just fine, there is also a EFK Firedragon 40-9 conversion barrel but it's reliability is dubious

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>>34863983

oh God yes. I hope it fits in my hands. If it doesn't, are the P2000s smaller? and why aren't USPs more popular? There's not much quality content on YouTube about them and I had to hunt for 10 minutes until I found my way on a near 10 year HK pros forum explaining the lever locations and functions. V3 with just a left sided decocker sounds like the way to go, sorry for all the questions but can't you change the lever functions like changing sides and decocker to a safety, vice versa?

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>>34864075
>and why aren't USPs more popular?

Because its a big chunky duty pistol that is DA/SA and more expensive then a Glock or most other common carry guns. The dimensions are practically the same regardless of caliber which are about equal to a fat Glock 20/21 and even wider if you count the safety/decocker depending on what Variant you pick. Then add in the euro mag release (muh push button 'merica!) and magazine prices and you get a pistol is further out of reach of the general masses want or wish to pay for.

>>34864075
The versions are different through most HK pistols. V1 in the USP is da/sa with a safety and decocker, V1 in the P2000 is light LEM.

>>34864167
It's sad desu senpai. Everyone's turned their backs on them ;-;

>>34864171
shit. I know like 3 versions on the USP. HK pls

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>>34864232
there is like 16 gorillion variants.
I don't know if they consider LEM to be DAO, so I don't know if that list is complete.

>It's sad desu senpai. Everyone's turned their backs on them ;-;
plus it has a weird rail which limits realistic practicality more. It looks clean compared to 1913 rails though. Putting a 1913 on a USP from the factory would kinda kill the appeal really. If you keep changing little things, you just end up with a P30. People want a USP mostly because they look cool, if they are super concerned about practicality they would get something like a p2000,p30 or glawk.

>>34864327

>if they are super concerned about practicality they would get something like a p2000,p30 or glawk

Would you consider the P30 a modern USP? I would love to see a modernized USP but when I think of it, the P30 comes close to what I think it'd be. I'm not a huge fan of it's looks though. Maybe I'm in denial

>>34864327
>I don't know if they consider LEM to be DAO, so I don't know if that list is complete.

Before the LEM there was an actual DAO trigger but as you can imagine it fucking sucked so HK just made pistols in LEM instead. So unless you are buying an old ass USP you can just replace DAO with LEM when using that chart as a guide.

>>34853944
It's mostly because of the MAC video and some VP9 shitposter that kept making threads about the VP9

>>34861863

yeah that always confused me. How do they hate us? Not giving us everything we want because of their cucked government?

>>34855904
>>34861936
The "lol you're wrong" tell for cognitive dissonance

>>34863695
My guns cycle aluminum without malfunctions, but have noticed they leak gas back at me, and they tend to eject weirder than with brass. Brass isn't that much more expensive, and I have no problem properly feeding my guns so i just get brass ammo, and not steel or aluminum anymore.

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>>34864167
The USP (especially the 45) is the 'big dick' gun you can pull out of your pants and silence a room with. They are absolutely overbuilt in ways that are, quite frankly, unnecessarily excessive but they will always work, and when it's empty you can pistol whip your way through an LAV.

The guns don't fit everyone, they don't have replaceable backstraps, low bore axis, or cheap mags, and you won't have world record split times with them, but but they do not stop working. It's also nice that you can configure the safety and trigger to about a dozen different variations.

>>34864739
>or cheap mags

Surprisingly enough, I found them for $26 online. I should stock up on some since I'm going to be buying one soon.

Those shits are cheaper than my PX4 mags.

>>34864075
The smallest grip for the P2000 is as small as the USPc. The USPc is a small grip, not a medium sized one.

USPs aren't popular because their heyday was back in the 90s during the AWB. People would get the USPc since capacity wasn't something you could capitalize on. Its also a very weird gun in of itself. Its a plastic gun but DA/SA. Most plastic gun fans want a striker trigger, and most DA/SA want a metal gun. It is also heavy for a plastic gun. The grip feel is weird to some people. It is expensive to buy and the mags are expensive plus the triggers are not very good outside of the match or polished LEM triggers. Now that people can own and carry gun more easily there are just better offerings. Though USPs are making a comeback.

If you want a USP just get the LEM. It makes the gun ambi in all ways minus the slide release. It also keeps it as thin as possible.

>>34864421
The P30 is an extended USPc. It has the same buffer shim instead of the buffer spring, and it uses the same metal mag profile. It is just longer and taller.

>>34864769
No. If you want a USP get a da/sa. If you want LEM get a P30.

>>34864760
Bullshit, link? Are tgere Jetfunnel mags for under $35?

>>34864568
People believe old internet memes because they believe the first thing they hear, not the truth that comes after.

>>34864327
The issue I had with the P30 is it's still a P- series gun. Basically an upsized P2000. The P triggers are not as nice, don't have a match option, and the curved grips while comfy don't offer the same control as the more squared and abrasive USP grips. They also lack the dual buffered spring system. That's all subjective "feel" though and plenty of people like the P30 and P2000.

I would love a USP with just the addition of a 1913 rail and interchangeable back straps. The stock gun is near perfect for me as is.

>>34864760
People say this then it turns out they bought Pro-mags.

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>>34864791
Nah get it in LEM. Once you do that you can cope with the guns size easier, and still shoot it fast.

>>34864825
>not doing the hybrid LEM/Match trigger setup

Bruh....

>>34864825
>Once you do that you can cope with the guns size easier
how so?

>>34864805
>don't have a match option,

They do though, its just an LEM trigger.

> They also lack the dual buffered spring system.

I have shot the shim buffer system, and feel as though it reduces recoil more while not effecting slide speed as much. USPs although fun and easy to shoot, tend to be so slow because of their buffer style compared to the shim.

>>34864769

Is it possible to convert a DA/SA gun to LEM? What are the trigger weights like for the both? I can shoot a stock G19 fairly well. I also have a CZ PO7 that I'm pretty good in SA, DA on the other hand is pretty bad for me

>>34864841
I sent both of mine to Bill Springfield though, so I think I am good brother.

>>34864856
It takes a whole 1/4 inch off of the massive width dimension of the gun, and also allows you to shoot thumbs forward whether you shoot it left or right handed. It keeps things simple too.

>>34864825
>cope with the guns size
I'm 6'2" you manlet.

>>34857208
Damn thanks for that deal. Recentmy bought a USP45T and need to stock up on 45

>>34864904
I have a LEM P30 for carry. When I get a USP it's going to be da/sa.

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>>34864887
Yes, thats what I did to this gun. The come at 5.5 7.5 and 8.5 in all versions. The light LEM is the match trigger.

It shoots like a single action with a long but light take up. All of the weight is in the sear and firing pin block springs.

>>34864825
Converting >>34858037 to match hybrid LEM next week, stoked as shit.

>>34859342
It's just a Houge rubber slip over grip, the USP40 is too thin for me since I shoot/carry the 45

>>34864927

>The come at 5.5 7.5 and 8.5 in all versions

Are those LEM trigger weights or...

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>>34864917
Are you the guy that was asking me about my extended mag?

>>34864906
I didn't try to insult your height, though its funny how nasty you get when someone suggests that you might need to cope with something large.

Its almost as if its the tall people who are the ones insecure about height.

>>34865000
Your manlet psychology won't work here little boy.

>>34864926
Don't waste your time, just get the LEM and have 2 guns you can shoot well instead of just one.

>>34864958
Thats the LEM trigger weights yes, what else would they be?

>>34865011
Lol, being tall or short has no effect on how thickness of the gun is in your pants.

Go ahead and act like a twat over a perceived slight.

>>34865012

>what else would they be?

idk nigger. 5.5 sounds pretty Gucci though

>>34864976
No, but now I am. where2cop

>>34865033
It is, I have full time SA but without the lol dropshoots trigger travel that a SIG would have. So I feel completely safe with this gun.

>>34865012
If I get a da/sa USP I'll probably get it in 40. My next handgun without question will be a Mark 23. That way I'll have my 3 favorite HK pistols in the original intended chamberings. The P30 is the only one I carry, the other 2 will likely just be for my collection and the range.
>>34865030
lmao you short piece of shit.

>>34865098
My gun was a 2003 USP40 that was an LE left over with the LEM trigger from the factory.

>>34865098
>lmao you short piece of shit.

Oh wait, you are this fagot. Just suck fuck your P30 since you are such a twat about being tall like anyone cares.

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>>34865069

I can't fucking wait. A surprising amount of USPc in 40 are going fairly cheap. I hear it's one of the softest shooting 40s though. Is ammo to expensive for them?

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>>34865012
>just get the LEM and have 2 guns you can shoot well instead of just one.
Not him, but I shoot my USP45 just fine

>Heavy trigger return spring
>Match hammer and sear spring
>Stock 1995 V1 everything else

I'm sure I'll shoot my USP40 just as well when it's converted to hybrid LEM

>>34865043
Full parts and build guide here, let me know if you need any other info, if you do your own necro thread with results

http://www.hkpro.com/forum#/topics/341146?page=1

>>34865140
If I get one I'm going to pick it up new, it's just a personal preference. I'm pretty sure they also made some changes regarding the firing pin since then as well.

>>34865140
Maybe you could get some elevator shoes buddy.

>>34865145
No, most people in the gun world get their info from nogunz on the internet so they don't realize that .40 is a fine cartridge for an HK gun.

They also think every gun has to be a glock but don't realize that USPs with LEMs are just that, but with a safer trigger.

>>34865152
>Not him, but I shoot my USP45 just fine

Never said you wouldn't, I had a DA/SA and I shot it fine in DA/SA all of the time. Though I prefer to have the same trigger across all of my handguns so I can shoot them all just as well. Swithing from LEM to DA SA is going to be a bitch.

>>34865208
>If I get one I'm going to pick it up new, it's just a personal preference

I got mine new too, other than it sitting on a shelf for a long time, my gun was never fired.

>I'm pretty sure they also made some changes regarding the firing pin since then as well.

No that was the late 90s.

>Maybe you could get some elevator shoes buddy.

I don't need them because I am not an insecure bitch who starts internet arguments about my height.

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>>34864421
I don't own any pistols so I can't really say with any hard experience. It certainly has heritage from the USP and p2000 line though.

>>34864568
probably because poorfags see the prices of stuff like the SL8's for like $1500+, so they go reee they hate us why aren't they selling us $500 mp5's.

Considering they have to deal with german export law, then deform their guns to pass not only that, but then ATF sporting purpose garbage, it's hard to find them at fault.

For a while I thought USP's were pretty overpriced, but they are made over in germany and are beefy guns. Glocks are selling for $500ish, so why should HK sell a hammer fired german made gun for $600? They are tanks from what everyone says, and considering that the mk23 comes from the same bloodline, I think they are justified. I don't see myself buying a new compact due to the price, but I can see a P2000 in the future if I like the grip.

>>34865524
They are expensive because of the extort taxes.

>>34865571
I heard they were priced the sameish as glocks when they were first started being imported. $500-$600 ish in the 90's. Considering how overbuilt they are, the track record and there is a USP is in about every single movie since the early 90's, they can get away with what they are charging on the cool factor alone.

>>34865601
>>34865524
They were specifically meant to be a civillian and LEO pistol and to compete with Glock. But you just can't compete with someone with no reputation to loose selling at cost to every cop they can get in a gun store.

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>>34857001
>>34857208
>larping as tom cruise when this is obviously africa
>MFW

>>34865777
Not a .45 Mr 7's

>>34864872
LEM is not a match trigger.

A big benefit of the dual buffered recoil assembly is that a relatively light main recoil spring is able to be used in the gun, making it really easy to rack the slide on the full size USPs. The single spring recoil assemblies use a stiffer spring, generally. Not a big deal if you have ordinary hand strength, but it's a benefit people don't often comment on. You won't need it until you need it, and then you'll REALLY need it - for example, if your hand gets injured.

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>>34865806
This is true. But my larp fantasy includes buying a USPc9 from my bro at the bar and carrying it under my tommy bahama shirt. And of course, only da/sa will do.

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>>34864421
>Would you consider the P30 a modern USP?

The P2000 is an enhanced version of the USP. If I recall correctly, the P2000 shares a large majority of the USP's internals. The P30 is an enhancement of the P2000. Then there's the HK45 and 45C which is an enhancement of the USP45/45C.

>>34864739
>The USP (especially the 45) is the 'big dick' gun you can pull out of your pants and silence a room with. They are absolutely overbuilt in ways that are, quite frankly, unnecessarily excessive but they will always work, and when it's empty you can pistol whip your way through an LAV.
I agree, which is why I have bought two USP45's over the years. It's a very well designed gun that shoots well and has a lot of sex appeal.

>The guns don't fit everyone, they don't have replaceable backstraps, low bore axis, or cheap mags,
And this is why I sold both of them. When it came time to trade up guns, it was always the easiest decision to make - I shoot the USP45 reasonably well, but my fingers always feel over-extended and my grip fatigues much more quickly than with guns that have a smaller grip. I will probably buy a third one someday.

>>34864794
Not him, but I think he's talking about the standard capacity magazines. Check CDNN, Top Gun Supply and Midway. I see these magazines going on sale from time to time. The jet funnel magazines do go on sale too, but I've never seen the 9mm ones selling for under $40 or so. Also check the HK webshop, they had a sale on the all steel jet funnel mags for $60 recently (regularly $90).

The $385-$400 usp .40's are tempting. Would I regret something like that, don't really have experience with any pistols. Plan on reloading at some point.

>>34864769
>Its also a very weird gun in of itself. Its a plastic gun but DA/SA.
I think polymer hammer-fired pistols are great. It's the best of both worlds, even in DA/SA. You get the light weight of modern frame materials and the superior trigger mechanics of hammer-fired designs.

That said, it's also kind of a wasteland of a niche. Sig's SP2022 is nice but feels like a budgety alternative Sig, the PX4 is fantastic but has slide-mounted controls, the CZ P07 is a CZ, the FN FNX is *squishy squishy*, the Ruger P95 is fat and junky, Tanfoglio is associated with low cost holy land blasters. The HKs are really the only "nice" guns that fit these criteria and have conventional controls.

>>34866021
I don't know what you would or wouldn't regret, but compared to a police turn-in Glock 22, the USP40 is way cooler.

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>>34866041
>the PX4 is fantastic but has slide-mounted controls

Can we quit it with this meme? You can convert the PX4 from a type F to a type G decocker only and even then, decocking isn't an issue. I have small hands and use my support hand thumb to move back in order to reach the left hand side decocker lever and it is absolutely not an issue. And I use the stealth lever.

Could you fucks stop complaining about dumb buzz-word shit you have no experience on? Seriously, you don't know jack.

>>34866071
The caliber mostly I imagine, more interested in a $400 usp over the caliber. Unless it was disgustingly cheap I wouldn't buy a .40 anything unless it's a HK something.

>>34866074
I do have experience with pistols that have slide-mounted controls, both as a safety/decocker and decocker-only. I just don't like them.

>>34866092
Do you think that .40 S&W will stop being made in 10 years? I don't think that's a concern. Many police departments, probably most of them, still use the caliber, and it's also popular among ordinary people.

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HK USP fampaifamalam.

>>34866092
>>34866021
You can always just look for a $500 police trade in USP45 if you want a caliber that has been around longer, they pop up pretty regularly on Gunbroker. The price of 9mm USPs is also dropping currently, and you could probably find one for $500, but you will also probably need to wait a little longer for a deal to come around.

>>34866123
forgot link, i'm selling mine

http://www.armslist.com/posts/7201652/cincinnati-ohio-handguns-for-sale--h-k-hk-usp-40-s-w-3-mags--night-sights?utm_source=c000031&utm_medium=plink&utm_campaign=p717900

>>34866112
Not super concerned about that, plus I'll get into reloading soon enough anyways. More worried about the muh snappy .40 meme being real or not since I don't have much experience with pistols.

>>34866156
I don't really have a preference over 45 vs 40, besides vincet larping I suppose. At like near $400 I can kinda justify it as just a for fun thing, but once it starts getting over $500 it gets harder. Plan on getting a regular p2000 in 9 first, then maybe picking up some surplus USP for fun.

Oddly enough I didn't like the 9 compact when I handled it, but the full size .45 seemed to feel good despite small hands. I really should to get some rounds through a few to really see what would be a good idea.

> The price of 9mm USPs is also dropping currently,
what were they at and what are they roughly now?

>>34866230
I forgot to add, I doubt the .40 snappyness would apply to a .40 usp since of the dual recoil system and it being built around the cartridge though.

>>34866183
You Jewish fuck.

>>34866230
The same people who say that .40 is "too snappy to shoot" will turn around and make a thread about how 10mm is a "real man's cartridge" and .40 is "for girls." In a full size pistol, it's entirely a meme.

>>34865846
They make an LEM match trigger its what their current team uses in the P30Ls the compete with.

>>34866021
If you have to have a gun in .40 the USP is the way to go. You should have a gun in all of the major calibers, and it isn't the worst one to have at all.

>>34866382
>They make an LEM match trigger its what their current team uses in the P30Ls the compete with.
Link?

>>34866230
Its not bad at all in HK guns, most of the people who bitch about it can't shoot 9mm well let alone any other caliber.

>>34866395
https://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comments/1w2phg/hk_usp_match_hybrid_lem/

Bill Springfield does this for like 60 dollars.

>>34866426
The so-called "match hybrid LEM" on USPs is just the standard LEM hammer, cocking piece and sear, but you swap out the springs to make the break lighter. You can also swap the trigger with the one that has the adjustable overtravel stop. It's not like the actual USP match trigger kit, though, which has a special match hammer, which is specifically modified for target shooting to have a smoother break.

>Bill Springfield
Obviously, you can get a trigger job on a P30 and it will improve the performance. I just thought you were referring to a factory part, since you said "they make an LEM match trigger."

>>34866316
Not going to lie, when I took my USP40 to the range for the first time that recoil impulse caught me off guard, I did not like it. .45 Super 255gr out of a USP45 is less jarring.

Ive gotten used to it, but that shit isn't a meme unless me recoil spring is totally shot out.
>Fuck, that's probably the case, because I've shot a G22 and that was totally fine

>>34866472
The light LEM on those guns is their match trigger though.

>>34866472
Doesn't the USP full seze match trigger have a shorter reset? Ir is that the sear and hammer not the trigger?

>>34866480
There is a snap in the recoil impulse for the USP40 compared to the 9 and 45 models, but it shouldn't be too strong or hard to control. As I remember, the strength of the recoil impulse of the 40 actually hits your hand a little softer than on the 45, so as long as you are gripping the gun tight, it's right in between the 9 and 45 as far as how easy it is to get the sights back on target. Could be your recoil spring...

>>34866472
It also shortens the reset, I have it on mine. Parts were changed

>>34866517
Can you answer >>34866498 ?
Is it tge match trigger with overtravel stop that affects the reset?

>>34866493
Light LEM isn't a very good match trigger, IMO. The pre-travel is way too long. That means that if you are using a technique where you release your finger well past the reset in between shots (if you shoot a wide variety of handguns on a weekly basis, this technique makes a lot of sense), then your finger position on the trigger can shift with the trigger coming out all the way like that. LEM is a great defensive trigger and works well at the range, but it's not the ideal target trigger, IMO, for this reason.

>>34866498
I've shot both, although it's been a while, and I wasn't able to tell a difference between reset distances. Both have short resets.

>>34866517
I'm not sure what you're referring to, but the match hybrid LEM doesn't change the reset point, since the only things that are changed from v7 configuration are the springs.

And like I said above, I never noticed a significant difference in the reset point between regular v1 and full size USP match trigger. Maybe it is shorter, I'm not saying it isn't, but both have good, short, positive trigger resets. If it's different, it's so subtle that I don't think it would matter that much for shooting. Both are way shorter than a standard Sig P226 trigger reset.

>>34866590
>since the only things that are changed from v7 configuration are the springs.
No? It also has a match trigger in it

>>34866590
>if you shoot a wide variety of handguns on a weekly basis, this technique makes a lot of sense

I get where you're coming from, but you seriously can't release to reset on different guns?

Am I the only fucking person in the world that doesn't start drooling and shoot themselves in the dick if they pick up a P226 after shooting a Glick?

>>34866728
"Match trigger" means a lot of things in different contexts. The match trigger kit includes many parts, including a hammer with a specially configured sear notch to give a smoother break. The only parts you can put on an LEM USP are the springs and the springs and the trigger shoe which has an overtravel stop. The trigger with overtravel stop is not compatible with the P30, and needs to be modified to fit the USPc. Nothing negative about controlling the overtravel, but that's just one aspect of the match trigger kit.

>>34866749
>I get where you're coming from, but you seriously can't release to reset on different guns?
Of course I can. I'm giving an example that affects people other than myself to show why having a long pretravel might not be the most ideal thing on a match trigger.

>>34866767
I am talking about the trigger, that actual physical part called a trigger. Not the shoe, not the overtravel stop, not the match kit, the part number 215684 trigger.

>>34866794
The trigger, capital T, trigger is probably the most irrelevant part in a trigger job. All you're changing is your ability to control the overtravel.

>>34866812
If you want to be a technical little ass about it the reduced overtravel does redude tge amount of post shot movement required to reset. But that's nitpicky as hell

>>34866123
Can you convert a .40 USP to 10mm?

>>34867072
Not without a gunsmith making a project of it.

>>34867065
OK, I understand why people say it has a shorter reset now.

>>34867072
Yes. Requires modified magazines and a rechambered barrel, youtube lifesizedpotato 10mm usp

>>34867112
Yeah, I have a feeling that's where this is all coming from.

>>34867127
Yeah, I couldn't remember if the reset was manipulated by modifying the hammer (I think Bill Springfield has an explanation on his website for which parts he modifies to get different effects in a P30 trigger job), so I didn't want to say that the USP match hammer wasn't changing the reset distance, but if it's framed as "reset point" vs "reset distance," then I can see where we went wrong.

>>34867235
>but if it's framed as "reset point" vs "reset distance," then I can see where we went wrong.
I feel like a lot of the shitfests between rational experienced shooters on /k/ are just misunderstandings over semantics

>>34867355
>I feel like a lot of the shitfests between rational experienced shooters on /k/ are just misunderstandings over semantics

It really is. That and use of terminology.
>having a discussion on actuall shooting
>say run
>+5 replies of ">run" as if they needed to fit in that hard

/k/ really isn't worth posting or reading tbqh

>>34867506
Eh, there are some gems.

Hell, dude up the thread found out his USP45T can have 16 round mags now, that's good

Thinking about getting a USPc to replace my G19. Does it have the same grip length as the 19 without the finger extender?

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>>34867825

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>>34850675
USP USP USP!

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I will drive 3 hours for this. Comes with a rail adapter too

Anyone here have the issue with the vp9 feels front heavy in their hands? I feel like I have to put a little extra effort into it when I shoot them or else the shots go low.

>>34866560
>>34866590

Overtravel stops don't effect the reset on any tigger, they are over travel stops, not reset stops. My LEM triggers have a shortened reset.

>Light LEM isn't a very good match trigger, IMO.

Its good, it just doesn't hold up to a SA with safety setup well at all. I am not a reset snob though, and haven't really had problems with shooting fast on "bad resets".

>>34868695
Where do you live?

>>34869229

South GA. The guy selling is in Atlanta

>>34868716
Not at all. Actually, I shoot my VP9 with a WML on it to give it more front weight.

>>34869268
Which WML do you use? I'm in the market for one and the only knowledge I have of them is by John Lovell.

>>34869091
>My LEM triggers have a shortened reset.
Explain

>>34871882
Standard LEM triggers have a reset that comes out to about half of the travel of the take up. My reset is like any other single action trigger.

>>34871966
What parts do you have changed from standard LEM?

>>34873498
I don't know I sent it to Bill Springfield ask him.